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Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - unity100 - 06-14-2011
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=67&sc=1&ss=1#7
Quote:67.7 Questioner: I undoubtedly will ask several uninformed questions. However, I was trying to understand certain concepts that have to do with the illusion, I shall say, of polarization that seems to exist at certain density levels in the creation and how the mechanism of the interaction of consciousness works. It seems to me that the fifth-density entity is attracted in some way to our group by the polarization of this group which acts somehow as a beacon to this entity. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is, in substance, correct but the efforts of this entity are put forward only reluctantly. The usual attempts upon positively oriented entities or groups of entities are made, as we have said, by minions of the fifth-density Orion leaders; these are fourth-density. The normal gambit of such fourth-density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies. In the case of this particular group each was given a full range of temptations to cease being of service to each other and to the One Infinite Creator.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Wander-Man - 07-03-2011
Yeah I like this quote. I also think they offer the lotus plant, so to speak, in an effort to keep us lulled and distracted from service.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - zenmaster - 07-03-2011
Facebook anyone?
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-03-2011
facebook is STS?
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Crown - 07-03-2011
"social organizations with which the self identifies" - I can see how this could also be Facebook. But when i first read this i thought more in the direction of mutual social values that we share. Like some sort of bank system that we are part of, and we all hold some forms of orgnized social agreements that are mostly identified with the self. Does that makes sense? Im not sure. Other than that, i dont really understand what Ra are trying to say here.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - kycahi - 07-03-2011
Ra said that, IMHO, the negative guest that was bothering the L/L team had the goal of tempting either the individuals to lose polarity by taking themselves seriously, or the group to feel superiority over other selves OR just to lose focus on STO and go back to 3D randomness.
Facebook is a catalyst that can enable some kind of STO through, perhaps, sharing ideas of service or organizing groups to serve. OTOH, it can also enable individuals to aggrandize selves as superiors and even enable them to recruit followers for STS.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-03-2011
I like that kycahi.
It is a simple relationship between densities. I have a simple thought and the essence of transdimensional existence touches this thought. It really makes an entity from a higher density less miraculous perceptually and more of a floating vibe. What is my entity if not a vibe floating around?
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-03-2011
i like fb, it allows me to connect with my friends in real time but i don't have the pressures of IM. so it's a good way of keeping in contact and it's a good place to share positive news and connect with other people who are into what you are. fb is what you make of it.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-03-2011
I tried to make facebook what we do here. It was impossible. I found it to be all about "look at me" "I'm not really here to listen to you".
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Bring4th_Austin - 07-03-2011
How is this quote related to facebook? What Ra is talking about is the aggrandizement of social organizations which one identifies with. Taking L/L Research for example, a negative entity would tempt the members to grow L/L Research to become a greater organization than it already is.
I don't think aggrandizing self through facebook is a good example. That would be aggrandizement of self using facebook as a tool.
It could be related to facebook through the creators of facebook being tempted to make facebook bigger and more influential, but do you think facebook was started out of positive polarization anyways? Don't you think it was started with plans of aggrandizement? Maybe I'm uninformed on the beginnings of facebook...never saw Social Network :p
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - kycahi - 07-03-2011
Social Network pretty much spells it out. It started with college guys fooling around with campus tools, then they thought of making it bigger than that. It's a good film.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-03-2011
(07-03-2011, 04:52 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: How is this quote related to facebook? What Ra is talking about is the aggrandizement of social organizations which one identifies with. Taking L/L Research for example, a negative entity would tempt the members to grow L/L Research to become a greater organization than it already is.
I don't think aggrandizing self through facebook is a good example. That would be aggrandizement of self using facebook as a tool.
It could be related to facebook through the creators of facebook being tempted to make facebook bigger and more influential, but do you think facebook was started out of positive polarization anyways? Don't you think it was started with plans of aggrandizement? Maybe I'm uninformed on the beginnings of facebook...never saw Social Network :p
Facebook completely aside, my view differs from yours. The negative entity isn't trying to "tempt" anyone. The members open the door that placed a negative entity exactly where it fits into. In a sense, they tempted the negative entity by inviting the visit. The vibrations of the call and the answer go completely hand in hand.
We don't need to worry about a distant negative entity seeking us out for destruction. They are touching the hairs on our arms this instant, all we need do is pick a thought that, dare I say, resonates with them.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - unity100 - 07-03-2011
(07-03-2011, 05:31 AM)Crown Wrote: "social organizations with which the self identifies" - I can see how this could also be Facebook. But when i first read this i thought more in the direction of mutual social values that we share. Like some sort of bank system that we are part of, and we all hold some forms of orgnized social agreements that are mostly identified with the self. Does that makes sense? Im not sure. Other than that, i dont really understand what Ra are trying to say here.
it is curious that how the word 'social' being hyped up as 'social network' these days skews your aim here. it doesnt have any relevance to facebook in the context of this quote.
social here is any kind of organization that interacts with people. this may be a company, a corporation, a charity, military, even a small shop.
at the point where the wanderer identifies itself with an organization and starts to aggrandize that organization, it loses polarity. that is the gist of that quote.
there is no polarity or orientation mentioned in the quote in regard to the organization. this means it can be positively oriented, or negatively oriented. this is actually quite in line with orange ray identification mechanics; it doesnt matter whether you identify with a positive or negative organization and attempt to aggrandize it - the mechanic that happens there is that the entity identifies the external concept with self, and starts to aggrandize it - therefore, in a meaning, aggrandizing self.
the wanderer should not identify its own self with the organization and aggrandize it, therefore engaging orange ray mechanics. it should do its service without aggrandizing self, and without identifying with an external organization and then aggrandizing self in that fashion.
(07-03-2011, 04:52 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: How is this quote related to facebook? What Ra is talking about is the aggrandizement of social organizations which one identifies with. Taking L/L Research for example, a negative entity would tempt the members to grow L/L Research to become a greater organization than it already is.
I don't think aggrandizing self through facebook is a good example. That would be aggrandizement of self using facebook as a tool.
the above approach is spot on.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-03-2011
I agree with that, unity100.
Only, Imo, it is the self that has a thought of doing so and the fourth density negative action that follows.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-03-2011
(07-03-2011, 04:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I tried to make facebook what we do here. It was impossible. I found it to be all about "look at me" "I'm not really here to listen to you".
is that cuz you friended a bunch of myspace skanks?
Unity! that's a great thought. i had not realized that self aggrandizement went with external identification majiggy.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - unity100 - 07-04-2011
(07-03-2011, 10:54 PM)Oceania Wrote: Unity! that's a great thought. i had not realized that self aggrandizement went with external identification majiggy.
not necessarily. but, external identification mechanic brings these. when you identify with something external, you also start accepting the effects it bring.
like how people identifying with a football team live ups and downs when the team wins and loses.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - zenmaster - 07-04-2011
It's a 'just a tool'. However, in this age of rapid electronic communication of values and intent, I see aggrandizement of self on 'look at me' Facebook. There is indeed tacit competition and promotion of self for the sake of enhanced positioning. Career 'success', expressing one's means and ability to procure desirable status, world-travel stories, rumors, being seen at the desirable latest, hip spots, and general social-hierarchical dominance as almost pure advertisement and self-aggrandizement. And there is a strong identification in place.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
everyone has ego issues. they were there way before facebook.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 11:22 AM)Oceania Wrote: everyone has ego issues. they were there way before facebook.
fb frustrated the **** out of me because not one person wanted to have any real conversation. This forum is so much better for me than fb.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
Monkey! you're not talking to the right people! i have really cool friends on fb that do talk about real things. i dunno who you been talking to.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - zenmaster - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 11:22 AM)Oceania Wrote: everyone has ego issues. they were there way before facebook.You think?
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 11:28 AM)Oceania Wrote: Monkey! you're not talking to the right people! i have really cool friends on fb that do talk about real things. i dunno who you been talking to.
LOL. Mostly family. Extended family. I don't have friends. Then there's the whole ex- thing, and the creepy lurkers, and the aunt that you'd rather not partake in your "cool vibe". LOL. yep, that's fb
The bottom line is that fb is all about appearances and small talk. Two superficial things I do not engage in the real world.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
i don't think it's fair to say it's all about that when there are people using it for things other than that.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - zenmaster - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 11:45 AM)Oceania Wrote: i don't think it's fair to say it's all about that when there are people using it for things other than that.yes, yes.. again and again, a tool to express info in such and such a desirable manner. it's just that there's extremely transparent conventions for separation in that meme / forum. I see how it's used in the city for empowerment. People rely on it to understand social status, how they can act, get ahead, lead, etc. Will stop talking about it now, as many are 'belongers' and incapable of separating philosophical from personal.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
i'm not incapable of separating philosophical from personal, i'm saying to paint the thing with one brush is a gross generalization. when my personal experience proves it is not all bad. it always depends on how you use it so to say everyone on facebook is a shallow twit that only wants to be looked at is totally untrue.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - zenmaster - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 12:30 PM)Oceania Wrote: to say everyone on facebook is a shallow twit that only wants to be looked at is totally untrue.Then why were you thinking it?
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
because that seems to be what Monkey thinks.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-04-2011
(07-04-2011, 11:45 AM)Oceania Wrote: i don't think it's fair to say it's all about that when there are people using it for things other than that.
It's not fair. I kind of amuse myself by saying something like that. I don't really mean it. Sorry.
You see, it was a bad experience for me personally, so I use that to 'justify' my opposing view of it.
It is one of those mental patterning things that zenmaster rightfully points out, most of the time at least. (I'm not sure lately)
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - Oceania - 07-04-2011
yes i know i take it personally because i am on there and have awesome friends there, so i defend their honor so to speak, and my own of course, but i also wanted to point out it's a neutral thing, like anything that is devoid of a consciousness. it's not black or white, it's the color we want it to be in our personal experience.
i just think there's this divide between people on fb and not on fb, i used to hate fb too before i started using it! i was like wtf why is everyone on fb that's so lame, but i got sucked in and now it's like awesome.
cuz the people make it awesome.it's like a phone, you can brag about yourself on the phone, or talk about the weather. it's up to you.
RE: Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities - 3DMonkey - 07-04-2011
I couldn't find anybody that wanted to talk about the weather. These are people I see in person too. The exchanges are totally different between online and in person.
I have always found it humorous that when we get together, we don't acknowledge the conversations we have had via email or whatnot. And if we DO bring it up it's something like "Hey, did you get that email about...." and the other person is like "yeah, yeah" and they fade off into their 'internal web persona of silent thought'.
Funny indeed.