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To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - blargg - 06-14-2011
Guys and Gals. You've really been a light for me. There's a whole lot of dark and a whole lot of corruption in the world. Thank you for being something good and wholesome. Without the Law of One, and all of you, which are to me just as much a part of it, I wouldn't have much out there to help me orient to a more positive perspective. So thanks.
That being said, this thread is about to get a little negative. If you don't wish to hear this is your chance. But I do feel like getting something off my chest.
There's a lot of other purported 'lightworkers' or truthseekers out there. One such set is the Project Avalon and Bill Ryan and friends. I've been following their work for about a year now and previously held them in very high regard. I watch his interviews and I'm thinking, "This guy, whether right or wrong, does at least seem to be truly seeking." He seems like a genuinely nice and sincere person. And he may well be for all I know. But they did me wrong.
Recently Bill interviewed a lady named Inelia. She has a great message. I loved watching her video it did give me good vibes. So I go to check out her website and I see that they do some seminars for 180$. "Meh" I thought. I would have preferred that this wasn't the case, but I suppose the seminars are their creative outlet for reaching others and they have overhead costs to cover in traveling and such. Seminars certainly get much more expensive than that from other flim flammers like Tony Robbins, etc. So no biggy. Then I check out her "Ascension Course" and see that she charges 99 dollars for some audio Mp3's that she made. That was kind of a big red flag for me. They even had the little bullet point notes on the page highlighting all the great things you can get out of purchasing these.
So I'm thinking, Ok I'm gonna ask up on this.. I am a natural doubter and questioner. I did the same thing here concerning charging for the Law of One audio recordings. (I feel like the LOO audio recordings are very reasonably priced by the way. And the whole thing is offered for free in text format which is great.) Anyways so I post a youtube comment outlining this 99 dollar charge. I feel like it's wrong to charge for spiritual information. I let them know that I felt this way. I check back today and my comment is deleted, and I'm further blocked from commenting on any of their videos.
I guess I'm posting this because I feel a little bamboozled. I held these individuals in high regard and really enjoyed their interviews. Maybe they are good people and maybe it's a big misunderstanding. But I think I'm personally done with them. Ok I just wanted to post it out there and vent a little. /Rant.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
Thanks blargg.
LOL, "ascension course"
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Eddie - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 09:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Thanks blargg.Life is an ascension course.
LOL, "ascension course"
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
exactly
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Eddie - 06-14-2011
LLResearch charges for some of its stuff, too. I wouldn't read too much into it.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Bring4th_Austin - 06-14-2011
Thank you very much blargg, this information is invaluable.
(06-14-2011, 09:26 PM)Eddie Wrote: LLResearch charges for some of its stuff, too. I wouldn't read too much into it.
L/L Research offers the entirety of its channeled material for free. They offer a lot of their books for free. What they do sell is very reasonably priced.
But the fact that this group charges (an outrageous) fee for their information wasn't even the point. Blargg simply stated his opinion on charging for spiritual information on their youtube account only to have the comment deleted and be banned from posting further comments. Does this sound like an organization out to help people awaken and unify, or an organization out to make money?
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Oceania - 06-14-2011
that does sound weird. this Inelia person just came out of nowhere. DW says you have to give half of your stuff for free.
personally i think it's ok to charge for spiritual information if it takes your working time to get it. most have to live on money and if they spend their days digging spiritual stuff then they should get paid for their time. how is that different to waiting tables, you do a service with your time and energy and you get paid for it? it's another thing to fool people though and charge crazy amounts. i dunno.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Namaste - 06-15-2011
I was disappointed to hear (from a trusted source) that Deepak Chopra charged £20,000 (not including all expenses/travel etc.) to come to the UK to do a two hour talk. There is no need to charge that much, and it isolates many people from his message.
I used to hold the notion that all spiritual information should be free, but, realistically, if a person dedicates their life to something, they need financial input. It's that simple. Culture defines it.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Zygra - 06-15-2011
We live in a inperfect world. Money is needed for sustaining and even more money is needed for future projects of different kind. I prefer to live in relative comfort, not on the street. I wish everyone well as I do towards myself. So when someone is fortunate with economic gains I congratulate them. Im not jelous because I know that I create my own wealth. How money is gained makes the difference though. If Avalon or other spiritual projects charge alot then I dont mind the fact but wish that they could perhapps lower the price. The behaviour you describe causes some wrinkles though. In their place I would say "I need alot of cash for food, roof and vodka".
Im being honest with it. We all need ¤¤¤$$$$$$¤¤¤
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Crown - 06-15-2011
There are so many misinformers and scammers out there. I recently discovered that many people who i thought were legit might be fake.
But then you come to think about the fact that right and wrong is not something that is set in stone. Its you who should decide what suites you the most.
But yea, people who charge alot of money for their bullshit are scammers. Its not hard to steal information from other sources and create a group and seminars...
I can claim that i can channel and i can claim that this is my first incarnation or whatever. Anybody can do that. I stopped trusting people so easily.
To me, eveybody is fake and everybody is real. Uniting both of the sides, solves the equation for me.
Its just a matter of choice.
This guy is kinda funny... and might be right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvssBmHjwzw&feature=related
Ruling this guy out and ruling Inelia out is EXACTLY the same. Choice.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - unity100 - 06-15-2011
(06-14-2011, 08:49 PM)blargg Wrote: Guys and Gals. You've really been a light for me. There's a whole lot of dark and a whole lot of corruption in the world. Thank you for being something good and wholesome. Without the Law of One, and all of you, which are to me just as much a part of it, I wouldn't have much out there to help me orient to a more positive perspective. So thanks.
That being said, this thread is about to get a little negative. If you don't wish to hear this is your chance. But I do feel like getting something off my chest.
There's a lot of other purported 'lightworkers' or truthseekers out there. One such set is the Project Avalon and Bill Ryan and friends. I've been following their work for about a year now and previously held them in very high regard. I watch his interviews and I'm thinking, "This guy, whether right or wrong, does at least seem to be truly seeking." He seems like a genuinely nice and sincere person. And he may well be for all I know. But they did me wrong.
Recently Bill interviewed a lady named Inelia. She has a great message. I loved watching her video it did give me good vibes. So I go to check out her website and I see that they do some seminars for 180$. "Meh" I thought. I would have preferred that this wasn't the case, but I suppose the seminars are their creative outlet for reaching others and they have overhead costs to cover in traveling and such. Seminars certainly get much more expensive than that from other flim flammers like Tony Robbins, etc. So no biggy. Then I check out her "Ascension Course" and see that she charges 99 dollars for some audio Mp3's that she made. That was kind of a big red flag for me. They even had the little bullet point notes on the page highlighting all the great things you can get out of purchasing these.
So I'm thinking, Ok I'm gonna ask up on this.. I am a natural doubter and questioner. I did the same thing here concerning charging for the Law of One audio recordings. (I feel like the LOO audio recordings are very reasonably priced by the way. And the whole thing is offered for free in text format which is great.) Anyways so I post a youtube comment outlining this 99 dollar charge. I feel like it's wrong to charge for spiritual information. I let them know that I felt this way. I check back today and my comment is deleted, and I'm further blocked from commenting on any of their videos.
I guess I'm posting this because I feel a little bamboozled. I held these individuals in high regard and really enjoyed their interviews. Maybe they are good people and maybe it's a big misunderstanding. But I think I'm personally done with them. Ok I just wanted to post it out there and vent a little. /Rant.
youre quite right. it is wrong to charge for spiritual information.
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some of those who do it really need to charge because they have to make a living. some do it in order to have funds to do some organizational work. (dangerous) some do it in order to prosper. some do it because they are not even aware that this may be wrong. some are doing it out of habit.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - rva_jeremy - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 07:01 AM)unity100 Wrote: youre quite right. it is wrong to charge for spiritual information.
I share your distaste for those who charge for spiritual information, but I'm not sure I can justify why it's "wrong".
I think one should be suspicious of anybody who thinks they have information that can help you - but will only do so if you pay an admission fee. I think the productization of the new age movement in general is unfortunate. To approach spiritual growth with the mindset of a consumer is to bring a set of expectations and relationships to the table that seems spectacularly unsuited to the task. I don't think it's "morally wrong" necessarily, but it is a reason to question the credibility of the person doing the charging.
Most respectable teachers charge for their _attention_ - whether it's special access via a conference, seminar, or other event, or a personal reading, etc. The idea being that the information is free, but if you want a more personal consultation, you have to pay for the scarce time being allocated to yourself (necessarily excluding others). I'm even suspicious of those scenarios, but at least it's not trying to cordon off the information itself.
Generally speaking, I think teachers teach best when they reinforce the need for an individual to go within, rather than constantly seeking spirituality outside the self, where answers can be packaged into nice, shiny products and sold by potential charlatans.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Eddie - 06-15-2011
Even G. I. Gurdjieff, one of the great spiritual teachers of the early 20th century, charged for his services (and once gave an outstanding lecture about how people don't want to pay for the one thing that is really important in life: enlightment.....it's recounted in the thoroughly excellent book In Search of the Miraculous, by P. D. Ouspensky; I highly recommend it).
Even spiritual teachers have to feed, house, and clothe themselves. They are not funded by the government....and I wouldn't trust one who was.
One of the Best Books Ever Written
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - unity100 - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 09:29 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:(06-15-2011, 07:01 AM)unity100 Wrote: youre quite right. it is wrong to charge for spiritual information.
I share your distaste for those who charge for spiritual information, but I'm not sure I can justify why it's "wrong".
the nature of existence is free giving. even though there is a non-path in this octave, that can be followed from 3rd to early 6th densities to otherwise, the real nature of existence is free giving. everything works accordingly, and inevitably, even if they hold back for any given finite amount of time.
way below this basic principle there is the fact that it reduces the polarity of a positive entity.
even below this concern, as Ra mentioned in regard to egyptians (and the society in general in earlier cycles of this planet), money and trade system seems to cause orange regression, leading to shortening of lifespans.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Bring4th_Austin - 06-15-2011
I really think the main point here isn't that they're charging for spiritual information, I assume we all have varying opinions on that.
But they censored and banned blargg for stating his opinion. I think that speaks to their agenda much much louder than charging for spiritual information.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - 3DMonkey - 06-15-2011
Money is a game. Orange ray is the color of sports, yes?
Posting a comment about money was a spontaneous play.
Shutting it down and causing its disappearance was well orchestrated defense.
*News Flash* - Eddie - 06-15-2011
If you will take the time to read THIS THREAD over at Project Avalon, it will shed a great deal of light on the subject (although it may be confusing to those of you who have not followed the "Charles Material" issue). It's a long and detailed thread, but it clears up a lot.
Blargg, Inelia (or one of her associates) may have blocked your ability to post because she thought you were working with the "Group of 18".
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - rva_jeremy - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 09:59 AM)Eddie Wrote: Even G. I. Gurdjieff, one of the great spiritual teachers of the early 20th century, charged for his services (and once gave an outstanding lecture about how people don't want to pay for the one thing that is really important in life: enlightment.....it's recounted in the thoroughly excellent book In Search of the Miraculous, by P. D. Ouspensky; I highly recommend it).
I'll look into that book; I'm certainly a fan of Ouspensky. I think he'd probably agree that the real problem here is not whether or not people are paying for enlightenment, but whether or not people are valuing it. Certainly paying for it is one way to demonstrate that you value something, but I've seen countless upper middle class baby boomers drop tons of money on spiritual stuff that doesn't seem to have much of an impact on their lives. Kind of reminds me of the parable of the widow's mite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesson_of_the_widow's_mite). Of course, that's only one measure and an imperfect one at that.
The fact that people might exchange money where spirituality is concerned is of much less concern to me than the crass commercialization of spirituality (pop new age stuff) that's happened over the past 50 years or so.
(06-15-2011, 09:59 AM)Eddie Wrote: Even spiritual teachers have to feed, house, and clothe themselves.
By the same token, even people without disposable income need spiritual guidance.
I must admit: the teachers I admire most seem to live on faith rather than attempting to productize their teaching by walling it off and selling admission to it. I'm certainly not asking anybody to live like an ascetic, but on the other hand, I don't take anybody's credibility as a teacher on their word, either. How you go about your teaching is a reflection on what you're teaching.(06-15-2011, 10:19 AM)unity100 Wrote: the nature of existence is free giving.
I know I'm taking one part of your statement out of context, but surely you can conceive of some rather absurd conclusions to which I could take this maxim you've stated. The issue is not what is ideal, but rather how to live a life of integrity and spiritual awareness while participating in third density. I do not believe Ra provides a complete explanation for how to do this (nor can any source possibly be expected to).
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - LetGo - 06-15-2011
Good one, thanks.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Eddie - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 03:11 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: The issue is not what is ideal, but rather how to live a life of integrity and spiritual awareness while participating in third density. I do not believe Ra provides a complete explanation for how to do this (nor can any source possibly be expected to).
Very well put, sir. I struggle with this every day, as, I suspect, do most others on this forum. We live, we struggle; but our struggle, and our subsequent learning, add to the glory of the Creator.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - 3DMonkey - 06-15-2011
Emanuel Swedenborg gives a good explanation of how at near-death.com
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Eddie - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 06:09 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Emanuel Swedenborg gives a good explanation of how at near-death.com
I second that. Great read.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - Oceania - 06-15-2011
uck, swedenborg believed in eternal hell. i do not like that guy. i like near-death.com tho.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - unity100 - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 03:11 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: I know I'm taking one part of your statement out of context, but surely you can conceive of some rather absurd conclusions to which I could take this maxim you've stated. The issue is not what is ideal, but rather how to live a life of integrity and spiritual awareness while participating in third density. I do not believe Ra provides a complete explanation for how to do this (nor can any source possibly be expected to).
no 'absurd conclusion' is necessary. you just need to look at the sun.
the ideal would be for the entity to vibrate in the exact vibration as the first thought.
and this ideal, is the ideal all entities in this existence are going towards. its not something utopic, it is the eventual target in the end.
but i see you are approaching it from the perspective of practicality, and the necessities of our time.
even before our times, there have been entities, and even in our time, there are entities which had had the spiritual level at which they would need to embody this 'ideal' in the form of not asking money/returns for what they were giving, and they have done/are doing that. this is the requirement of their level of vibration/awareness.
everyone has to oblige with the requirement of their level of vibration/awareness. law of responsibility, that is. if you are aware of it, consciously, you are responsible with it.
being mentally aware of it may not mean that you are consciously aware of it though.
RE: To the mods, to the users, and everyone involed with LOO. - JustOnePoint - 09-05-2011
Reposting here as this thread is even more relevant.
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Have you guys seen this text on her website:
http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-course.html
Inelia Wrote:No lightworker who is going to do this course will go without it. So, if your situation is that you cannot afford to buy this course, write us an email describing your circumstances for your copy.
This seems to me to be a very balanced approach -- charge a reasonable price for those who have the money to spare, but yet still offer it for free for those who cannot afford the price of the course. She gets the material 3D support to help her continue her work from those who have the extra to share -- and yet nobody goes without the information she is offering. All it takes is the effort of writing an email.