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Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Namaste - 10-26-2011 Moderator Note: These posts were split from the Life on Planet Earth > Why Steve Jobs died thread. (10-25-2011, 04:21 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Oye vey. Agreed. Unity, you may have missed Steve's point. In pursuit of the truth, or offering notions another, one can be STO in nature; compassionate, accepting and kind. If you're polarising positively, each and every moment - including typing messages online - can be an opportunity to polarise positively; to open your heart to another - to the One Creator. To re-iterate, this is not about being right or wrong, rather, the manner in which one conducts themselves, and the resulting polarisation. 3DMonkey Wrote:That is not a Vulcan expletive. They took that from Pleiadians during the crusades of 15,000 years ago. You are wrong again. Fantastic :¬) RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-26-2011 (10-26-2011, 05:13 PM)Namaste Wrote:(10-25-2011, 04:21 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Oye vey. and how does this tie to this particular case at hand .... RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-26-2011 You are an intelligent person Unity, I do not believe (and I could be projecting here) that you have missed both my own, and Steve's notions. If you wish to ignore, or step around said messages, by all means do. Peace :¬) RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-26-2011 (10-26-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: You are an intelligent person Unity, I do not believe (and I could be projecting here) that you have missed both my own, and Steve's notions. If you wish to ignore, or step around said messages, by all means do. i did not miss anyone's notions. i just not only dont agree, but also do not understand the forced fakery of making a person who is wrong in something feel as if s/he is not wrong, and then underhandedly telling them that they are wrong, for purposes of being politically correct or polite. if some bit of information is wrong, you just state that it is wrong. its as simple as that. thats something i have only seen in american contemporary culture. i didnt see it in german, japanese, greek, japanese, italian cultures and many others. leave aside my culture. one of the most polite ways of rejecting what someone else says, is actually saying 'you are wrong' here, as long as plural is used. if the person is in an informal setting, you can use singular even. some languages like japanese dont even have words to effect that fakery. you directly say that the person is wrong, or in actually many cases, you say just one word. there is nothing rude about telling someone 'you are wrong'. i dont even understand americans' fixation with this. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-26-2011 (10-26-2011, 05:45 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-26-2011, 05:37 PM)Namaste Wrote: You are an intelligent person Unity, I do not believe (and I could be projecting here) that you have missed both my own, and Steve's notions. If you wish to ignore, or step around said messages, by all means do. The fact you feel you have to fake such feelings is a rather interesting statement. Emotions are the language of the universe (this density). Thoughtfulness, kindess and compassion (and indeed all aspects of love) transcend language, race, creed, sex, culture and language. A genuine smile from one to another needs no symbols, language or concepts. One does not act with kindness to another as fakery or underhandedness. They do so as that's because who they are. A loving person will act lovingly, and that will reflect onto another person regardless of race or language. Edit: for those who enjoy number synchronicities - posted at 11:11 :¬) RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-26-2011 (10-26-2011, 06:11 PM)Namaste Wrote: The fact you feel you have to fake such feelings is a rather interesting statement. the only culture that i encountered which is equating faking responses and saying something you actually meaning to say without making it sound like you are actually saying, with politeness has been american. actually, i didnt encounter it with people who seemed to be from its mid-geographic areas too. but people who live in cities west and east. and now someone is equating that political correctness concept with kindness and compassion, saying they transcend language, race etc etc. i told you, and im telling again. its not the same in other cultures. we dont equate that kind of thing with neither kindness or compassion here. because they arent. 'genuine smile' ? what does this have to do with anything that has transpired in this topic, and with what you are saying ? RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-26-2011 i reviewed my posts in this thread. i expected to find my language a bit coarse after all that criticism, but to my surprise it turned out that it wasnt so. not rude either. neither condescending, nor demeaning. all that i see now, my inability to keep up with fake american political correctness of refraining from telling someone s/he is wrong, in order to later proceed to tell that s/he is wrong in an indirect, veiled fashion seems to have poked the eyes of people accustomed to it. which is rather normal. i dont see that there is any kind of spiritual overhead from my side on this thread, and my conscience is clear. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - 3DMonkey - 10-26-2011 Everyone should take my path to get to the destination. If you did, you would come to the same conclusion. Then you would be right. And the world would be perfect. I have a detailed map. Any swaying off course, and you miss the boat, I.e. wrong. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-27-2011 aperion Wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-iPod.html I'm not really sure why that's been directed at me, I've made no comment on Steve and the practices of Apple. Those people are experiencing their own lessons, and there is a much grander plan behind third density incarnations that we do not really understand, although we try. I merely re-iterated a point made by Steve that how one presents themselves can have an effect on people, and not caring about said effect could be depolarising if one is on the path of STO: "I don't care if my actions offend you, as this is the way we do it around here" To me, that seems like an STS statement. I offered the notion to unity as food for thought. Culture can be the trap that defines what is morally acceptable - the norm - albeit STS or STO. A rather profound quote: Quote:All you have to do, to control the direction of the world, unity100 Wrote:and now someone is equating that political correctness concept with kindness and compassion, saying they transcend language, race etc etc. If that 'someone' is indeed pointed at myself, I never made such a connection. The point is this; we're all different, on our own paths. Choosing love in the moment - the most useful thing one can do in our lives - entails kindness and compassion. That means thinking of other selves. If you know that the mannerisms of your own culture can offend others, you have the choice to not do so. That choice is your own free will, and is neither right or wrong. I'm not telling you what to choose, rather simply highlighting the fact that being considerate of others is a means of polarising positively. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Oceania - 10-27-2011 as for social conventions. i have to agree with Unity, that i never understood such fakery until later in my life when i've started merging a little more with normal people's views. politeness, the ways things work on this planet. it's not cold fakery for evil purposes, it's being considerate, and holding your tongue for personal reasons. to smooth things or avoid undue conflict. or just a habit you've learned. it's oil for the machine. you can say these are things that make the world the shithole it is. or you can say, "hey, this world is a work of art." i don't like the bad parts but i've learned to love this planet and its unique beauty, social flaws included. i mean, when i was a kid i was blindly honest and tried to explain things to the Nth degree because i felt like the telepathic aspect was missing. which leads me to conclude i remember in past life that i was telepathic, that life was honest. and when this backfired, i got cynical, and then i got confused. after that i started appreciating the weird complexities of humans. and hoped someday i could be normal like them. because i see the world as partly very beautiful and i've never been a part of it. i've always been on the outside of normal life. it's lonely to be on the outside. i don't care anymore that i'm right and they're wrong, i don't care anymore i know the soap rules. if you know the soap rules, you're an outsider in that soap and never get to experience the beauty of it the way the others do. that's my way because i love art, but Unity seems to be mathematical. maybe he doesn't appreciate art as much as calculations. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Wander-Man - 10-27-2011 Sometimes people refrain from speaking because to speak would seem to judge. I think there was an egyptian sun god who did that too RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-27-2011 (10-27-2011, 11:42 AM)Wander-Man Wrote: Sometimes people refrain from speaking because to speak would seem to judge. I think there was an egyptian sun god who did that too Silence is a great practice, in which to balance with expression. Choosing to express or to be silent at the 'correct' times takes some practice, as each can offer lessons to the self and others. A hard balance if the physical mind is too involved. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-27-2011 (10-27-2011, 07:07 AM)Namaste Wrote:unity100 Wrote:and now someone is equating that political correctness concept with kindness and compassion, saying they transcend language, race etc etc. all these differentiations and explanations, but in the end it boils down to what i said. obliging with american political correctness which is valid and in question in some parts of america. if i KNOW that the mannerisms of my, and many other cultures, can offend another culture's some percentage population somewhere, why do i change my mannerisms ? do the rest 80% of the world, have to oblige with the perspectives of some 80 million in america ? (10-27-2011, 08:22 AM)Oceania Wrote: Unity, i did not say Steve invented the personal computer. he developed and built a personal computer and he was a big part of popularizing the personal computer so that any moron can use it. in those days noone had one ecxept people who worked with computers. also, he was the one who introduced beautiful fonts and other art aspects to computing. something i take great pleasure in. he was an artist soul and a computer geek. the marriage of such aspects makes for something impactful. if i am wrong so be it. well, yes you are wrong. this is why i have linked you those articles, and gave statistical figures. first, at no time apple devices had constituted more than 10% of computer units sold and used, so therefore you cannot say that he popularized personal computer. what popularized personal computer, was ibm pc being allowed to be produced under license. this created so cheap and so varied pc compatibles that they made their way into every small business and every home. back in 1992, a pc was sold around equivalent of $2000 here. in 1993, it was $1000 and it came into a range that a middle class family could afford, and thats how my family bought one for me. its no different for the rest. as for the beautiful fonts, there were graphical interfaces and kits that were being used in graphical and typesetting sector. it is true that apple had cornered that market in early 1990s, but this does not mean that there werent other kits and oses, software being used in that sector. not to mention that there is no correlation in between these and popularization of 'pretty fonts'. what you speak of, has been the natural result of graphical oses coming into use. as in 'windows'. (10-27-2011, 08:43 AM)Oceania Wrote: as for social conventions. i have to agree with Unity, that i never understood such fakery until later in my life when i've started merging a little more with normal people's views. politeness, the ways things work on this planet. it's not cold fakery for evil purposes, it's being considerate, and holding your tongue for personal reasons. to smooth things or avoid undue conflict. or just a habit you've learned. it's oil for the machine. you can say these are things that make the world the shithole it is. or you can say, "hey, this world is a work of art." i don't like the bad parts but i've learned to love this planet and its unique beauty, social flaws included. i mean, when i was a kid i was blindly honest and tried to explain things to the Nth degree because i felt like the telepathic aspect was missing. fake, is still fake and dishonest. there is no way of alleviating this spiritually. you may show reasoning to your higher self or social memory complex totality, saying it was not to 'hurt' the feelings of the other person, and this may get some approval from compassion side, but it will not get approval from wisdom side. it will be in contrast of blue ray. and blue ray, is higher in vibration than green. nomatter how some may not like it. and anyone who is intending to go further than green, will have to cope up with that fact and that ray's properties. all that said, we are people who are pursuing advanced spiritual information which shatters many of the society's conditioning already. if we cant be honest in between each other, is there a chance of being honest to ourselves. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Wander-Man - 10-27-2011 Unity you're right, but you're creating disharmony in these forums. That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way. This website's name is Bring4th, not BringArguments RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-27-2011 (10-27-2011, 12:57 PM)Wander-Man Wrote: Unity you're right, but you're creating disharmony in these forums. and ? at the time of harvest, when things turn totally around and people who are from different corners and walks of the world but from similar higher vibrations start to encounter through ways of spirit, what we are all going to do will be to comply with american political correctness and fake our thoughts and feelings, in order to not cause any arguments for those who had been born and raised in some parts of american culture ? is expecting this will be how those who were born in that culture meet 4th vibrations ? by expecting others to oblige with THEIR biases and conditioning ? excuse me but this is not 1981, not 1990, not 2000. its harvest time. now its time to face the music. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Oceania - 10-27-2011 who was talking about alleviating spiritually? RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Wander-Man - 10-27-2011 (10-27-2011, 01:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-27-2011, 12:57 PM)Wander-Man Wrote: Unity you're right, but you're creating disharmony in these forums. Some arguments aren't worth it. For example, arguing over who made a computer at the cost of...disharmony. In this case, winning is extremely over-priced. You got jipped. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Oceania - 10-28-2011 Unity. no. you misunderstood me. i did not say any of that. YOU misunderstood ME. that means you're wrong. and you're really brave to talk to me like that when i'm PMSsing. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - βαθμιαίος - 10-28-2011 (10-27-2011, 12:01 PM)unity100 Wrote: fake, is still fake and dishonest. there is no way of alleviating this spiritually. you may show reasoning to your higher self or social memory complex totality, saying it was not to 'hurt' the feelings of the other person, and this may get some approval from compassion side, but it will not get approval from wisdom side. it will be in contrast of blue ray. and blue ray, is higher in vibration than green. nomatter how some may not like it. and anyone who is intending to go further than green, will have to cope up with that fact and that ray's properties. How do you know that your critique of American culture, say, is blue-ray based rather than yellow-ray based? RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-28-2011 Plus the fact we're in third density - yellow. To move forward from here (positively) - green; compassion, love. Quote:10.14 Questioner: For the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One? No mention of wisdom. Love. Green. Attempting to think/speak/act with (true) wisdom while in 3D is missing the point of this density, in my opinion. We're not in the density of light/wisdom, and hence, our blue energy ray is more to do with communication. Ra Wrote:The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes. Again, no mention of wisdom. If it were of import, Ra would have mentioned it here in the balancing synopsis (full Q/A here). Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration? The natural, positive, progression is yellow, green, blue. There is an entire density of unconditional love (compassion) before we move to the density of wisdom, in which to balance that love, and move to the 6th density - unity. Attempting to run before being able to walk springs to mind :¬) RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-28-2011 (10-28-2011, 12:54 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(10-27-2011, 12:01 PM)unity100 Wrote: fake, is still fake and dishonest. there is no way of alleviating this spiritually. you may show reasoning to your higher self or social memory complex totality, saying it was not to 'hurt' the feelings of the other person, and this may get some approval from compassion side, but it will not get approval from wisdom side. it will be in contrast of blue ray. and blue ray, is higher in vibration than green. nomatter how some may not like it. and anyone who is intending to go further than green, will have to cope up with that fact and that ray's properties. because, the tenets of honesty does not change from culture to culture, planet to planet, dimension to dimension. it doesnt matter how you fake something, or with what intention. its still dishonest. (10-28-2011, 01:33 PM)Namaste Wrote: .................. in case you remember how monica has showed that in order to graduate from 3rd density, an entity was supposed to activate and open all chakras up to 6th, you would see that continually remaining in 4th chakra for a lifetime would not be appropriate. and this is only 3d harvest even. not even an adept's or wanderer's work, who is supposed to activate chakras up to maximum as fast as possible, like can be seen from franklin roosevelt's example. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Namaste - 10-28-2011 (10-28-2011, 01:39 PM)unity100 Wrote: in case you remember how monica has showed that in order to graduate from 3rd density, an entity was supposed to activate and open all chakras up to 6th, you would see that continually remaining in 4th chakra for a lifetime would not be appropriate. Agree entirely, in the context of third density and it's purpose. Balancing the energy rays is of vital importance to those wanting to make the harvest, which is where the direct quote (Don asked: how can we balance?) from Ra, above, came from. No mention of 5D wisdom. And regardless of what Monica said, no offense intended, Ra clearly states that finding love in the moment is the key. That love does not imply an imbalance (including an over stimulated) green ray, or that other rays can remain out of balance. The (positive) goal is to choose love and polarise, balance. Able to communicate one's truths, accept (love) others truths, be kind (love) and compassionate (love) with other selves, and within groups. To not wish to dominate or be dominated, and to feel happy (love) with one's identity in the context of other selves and groups, and have the courage (love) to act with integrity (love) with whomever, and wherever. To understand they are the Creator, and have infinite worth. Hence, the moment contains love :¬) RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 10-28-2011 (10-28-2011, 02:09 PM)Namaste Wrote: Balancing the energy rays is of vital importance to those wanting to make the harvest, which is where the direct quote (Don asked: how can we balance?) from Ra, above, came from. No mention of 5D wisdom. extremely shallow and misinformed. there is no mention of 4d love in 3d either. so, whats the rush for 4d compassion in 3d then ? .......... the answer is simple. the rays are not bound to densities. densities are dimensions in which whatever ray they are associated with is emphasized, so that entire existence in that density revolves around that ray. this does not mean that the rays do not exist, or not to be used in other densities. same goes for blue. blue ray exists in 3rd density experience, and it is to be used to reach harvestability or adept work or wanderer work, as the examples illustrate. and faking, is something that is not compatible with blue ray. 'radiating one's self regardless of any reactions from others' is something that has been mentioned in the material. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Monica - 10-28-2011 (10-28-2011, 02:09 PM)Namaste Wrote: And regardless of what Monica said, no offense intended, Ra clearly states that finding love in the moment is the key. I assume unity100 was referring to this thread: Strictly Law of One > Advanced Studies > Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D ...which explores this topic in depth. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Wander-Man - 10-28-2011 Quote: what 'win'. there is no win here. maybe you should spend more time in understanding and considering what others are actually saying, rather than jumping into premade conclusions out of various biases regarding compassion and harmony and whatnot : Quote:extremely shallow and misinformed.Wow. My green ray got blocked after reading this. Thanks for the catalyst. My point is: this Steve Jobs computer argument is silly, as is any argument where people are disrespected. ![]() Quote:there is no mention of 4d love in 3d either. so, whats the rush for 4d compassion in 3d then ?I think you're referring to unbalanced compassion, which is actually really beneficial to increasing the third harvest. Concerning Jesus' life: Quote:We do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. It is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.Boo-yah. Quote:Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another.It is possible to be genuinely nice to people that you don't agree with without being fake. The key, I think, is found in the green ray. Then you can radiate, through the blue ray, genuine love to people who you may not completely agree with, using skills learned while working with the yellow ray. Then through the indigo ray you may realize that no one makes mistakes, and that you're talking to yourself, which will help with interactions even more. But I'm not completely sure, and I'm still working on this, obviously ![]() RE: Why Steve Jobs died - BrownEye - 10-28-2011 Quote: My point is: this Steve Jobs computer argument is silly,Your kidding right? This is the pinnacle of importance towards spiritual growth during the end of this age. LET IT ALL HANG OUT WOOHOO. Kidding LoL RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Oceania - 10-28-2011 they're not silly. arguments are the spice of life. the more i hear about 4D the more i think it's a boring old place with nothing but smiles and halos. to me, that's boring. i love art. art is not just smiles and halos, there's a pinch of drama in it, arguments, misunderstandings... etc. if on some specific day that all gets taken away it's gonna be dull, even if everyone is suddenly in some orgasmic jello that makes everything peachy, guh. there's no true art or passion in that. it's just like being on heroin. or some crap. maybe i'm wrong but that's what it sounds like. anyway there's no reason to diss another's way of life. just cuz you're guns abalze going to 4D doesn't mean everything in 3D, even arguments, is somehow less than or silly. it is as valid as cloud angels. it belongs where it belongs that's all. if you don't get it, move on. as long as noone is forced into anyplace they don't wanna be, then why judge? finding love in the moment? that i don't master. i find anger in the moment. that's why i like Steve. i see a better version of myself in him. he made something of himself. he bettered the world. and yet he was flawed. it makes him more accessible. makes a good life seem achievable because he's not out of reach. he's a little more reachable but still something to aspire to. that's just my take. thanks Pickle. sacral. i guess that's to do with anger issues? there are different kinds of anger. if pancreas is about loss, loss makes one angry. people get angry if someone steals something as mundane as a purse. so something true would make someone so angry they hold onto that anger. and it then causes cancer. but we can't know what Steve lost. or what his causes were. if i guess i could say it was to do with his parents? he was given away. but of course it could be totally different. or random disease. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Wander-Man - 10-28-2011 (10-28-2011, 06:58 PM)Oceania Wrote: they're not silly. arguments are the spice of life. the more i hear about 4D the more i think it's a boring old place with nothing but smiles and halos. to me, that's boring. i love art. art is not just smiles and halos, there's a pinch of drama in it, arguments, misunderstandings... etc. if on some specific day that all gets taken away it's gonna be dull, even if everyone is suddenly in some orgasmic jello that makes everything peachy, guh. there's no true art or passion in that. it's just like being on heroin. or some crap. maybe i'm wrong but that's what it sounds like. anyway there's no reason to diss another's way of life. just cuz you're guns abalze going to 4D doesn't mean everything in 3D, even arguments, is somehow less than or silly. it is as valid as cloud angels. it belongs where it belongs that's all. if you don't get it, move on. as long as noone is forced into anyplace they don't wanna be, then why judge?Don't get me wrong, I'm all for argument/debate. It's the violent disrespect that's silly, especially here in these forums. It's kind of ironic. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - BrownEye - 10-28-2011 Quote: . i guess that's to do with anger issues? there are different kinds of anger. if pancreas is about loss, loss makes one angry. people get angry if someone steals something as mundane as a purse. so something true would make someone so angry they hold onto that anger. and it then causes cancer. but we can't know what Steve lost. or what his causes were. if i guess i could say it was to do with his parents? he was given away. but of course it could be totally different. or random disease. trep·i·da·tion Noun 1. A feeling of fear or agitation about something that may happen. This is the emotion that can store in the pancreas. Enough dark energy and you can house an "entity" in that organ. Accelerating the problem. RE: Why Steve Jobs died - Oceania - 10-29-2011 eep! what about unexpressed anger vs vented anger? does the pancreas clear after expression or is it still harmful to it? but we are human, Wander-Man. at least i am, i dunno about Unity. ![]() |