Quote:The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle.

Quote:Aaron: My greetings and love to you all. I am Aaron. I would like to continue where we left off last night, to ask you to consider service in still newer ways. Service is a manifestation of love. We spoke last night about being service rather than doing service and of the ways that doing creates a distortion of self and other, of server and served. Being service is simply opening yourself and moving away from any duality.

Something I find very interesting is that those of you who aspire to serve, grasp so hard at something that is innate to you. It is not that you must work in order to serve. That is natural to you. When you are not “being service” there is a distortion. Your energy is being distorted into some misconception of separation. Therefore, the ideal is not to aspire to serve but simply to pay attention to where that pure “being service” is blocked by fear.

I spoke last night of intention, of moving away from the limiting concept of service to self and service to others—which is quite disorienting because service to others is service to self and vice versa—and to begin to see with clarity the ways that service to others springs from a ground of love and service to self springs from a ground of fear.[1]

When you begin to see the intention to offer love or to react to fear, to allow fear to direct your choices, then you can move away from the concept of service to self or other-self and towards the pure experience of “being service” or the pure experience of reactivity to fear.

Once you move away from the concept and into the experience, those of you with strong positive polarity will find the experience of “being fear” is an ample check in itself. As soon as you allow the reality of that experience to arise in you, something within you stops and pays attention and says, “No, this is not the way I choose to express my energy.” You then allow yourself both to be aware of the fear and non-reactive to it, so that the aspect of “being love” and expressing service through the being of love can manifest itself.

The most important point to remember here is that expressing service through being service in love is natural to you. And when you do that, you are not doing anything; you are not creating anything. You are simply expressing your own true nature. When that nature is in full harmony with the external positive energy which may move through you, your energy to serve is magnified. At that point, you do not need to ask, “How can I best serve?” You simply choose the paths that lie right at your feet, whatever they are.

(03-05-2012, 02:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: But I assure you that your post above is any indication of what you consider enlightenment or humor the discussion will be short indeed.

(03-05-2012, 02:34 PM)@ndy Wrote:

(03-05-2012, 02:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: But I assure you that your post above is any indication of what you consider enlightenment or humor the discussion will be short indeed.

Well that statment is just screaming 'love and acceptance' too me

(03-05-2012, 02:44 PM)@ndy Wrote: Was a observation - not an insult.

I'm sorry If I have offended you.

(03-05-2012, 02:45 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Tenet you will have to explain how Aarons quote above suggests that he is implaying that ST is a good thing compared to STO.

I have read it and it seems to me that you are mistaking his 'being in service' as meaning STS.

Is that what you derive from this quote?

Quote:Aaron: I am Aaron. There is another area of duality and misunderstanding of which I would like to speak. You identify those who bring love to others as those who serve others. The attributes of those who “are service” are gentleness, patience and generosity. And you identify those who cause others pain in some way; those who affront others and are greedy or arrogant, as those who do not serve others. I would like to explore this a bit further.

Most of you have heard me say that we are all beings of light, even those who manifest very little of that light; even those who are very negatively polarized and in the conscious levels of self would affirm their desire to serve negativity. Even those who feed off the fear and pain of others, at some level, are servants of the light. It is well to move past the duality of seeing them in such sharp contrast as good and evil; servants of love or ones against love.

Some of you have heard me tell a brief story about the spiritual teacher Gurdjieff, that in his community there was a man who was very unpleasant to others. He did not do his share of the work. He spoke in a harsh way to others. He was arrogant and prideful. He even smelled foul and did not take care of his physical body. Nobody wanted his presence. The others in the community were in great accord with each other and everything ran smoothly except for this one unpleasant being.

He got tired of the way people were treating him and one day he packed up and left. Gurdjieff went after him and asked him to come back. The man, of course, refused. Gurdjieff then offered to pay him to come back. Those of the community were aghast at this: “How could you pay him to come back? We were well rid of him.”

Gurdjieff said, “He is the yeast for the bread. How would you learn compassion without a catalyst for that compassion? How would you learn non-judgment without a catalyst for that non-judgment?”

Granted, there are negatively-polarized entities. There are those who thrive on the fear and pain of others. There are beings that are mired in deep misunderstanding, and yet, even their negative polarity and misunderstanding is a service. How would you learn without such catalysts?

When you can begin to view such misunderstanding and negativity as another way of service to the light, you begin to view such individuals differently. For most of them, it is not their intention to serve the light, although for some that may be true. No being whose intention is to serve the light will willingly do so through causing harm and pain to others. So it is not their intention; but nevertheless, they do serve the light by offering you the catalyst that you need for your own learning.

When you can begin to find welcome for such beings, to move beyond your judgment of them and open your heart to them, to the very real pain that their misunderstanding causes for them, and to thank them for the ways in which they offer you the catalyst that you need, then you can begin to do the same for yourself in those moments when fear and other negative emotions arise in you. I have spoken often of the reverse of this, of coming to a place of non-judgment of yourself as a way of learning non-judgment of others. I am just offering the opposite side of the coin.

(03-05-2012, 03:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: What the second quote says is that there is value in learning the opposite of what is good, so that we can better understand that which is good by comparison. it does not suggest that there is good in its opposite.

The two are opposite because they are not the same.

(03-05-2012, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(03-05-2012, 03:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: What the second quote says is that there is value in learning the opposite of what is good, so that we can better understand that which is good by comparison. it does not suggest that there is good in its opposite.

The two are opposite because they are not the same.

I thank you for your service in reminding me of the folly of attempting to discuss this topic of the illusory nature of the STO/STS dualistic paradigm. It has strengthened my resolve to trust in my inner wisdom and knowing, and to bolster my faith that each of us is exactly where we need to be in terms of awareness and understanding. I bid you good journey.

(03-05-2012, 03:08 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Welcome to bring4th, Shin'ar

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This thread is just how we say I love you. Lol.

Ever see SNL skit where entire family French kisses to say hello?

(03-05-2012, 03:44 PM)Azrael Wrote: And I believe you are correct on that fact, or at least, it is not in Ra's disposition as a member of the Confederation, and they have evolved along a highly STO-oriented path, although are now Unpolarized.

However, we can also take note, that being Unpolarized, Ra most likely still has portions of its complex which have done work in the Negative Polarity, and so we can assume that Ra has experience with the natures of both paths, and are instead exemplifying the power of Choice that is within the Third Density to choose whether or not they will orientate their Third Density teachings towards the path of Service to Others or Service to Self. The entire channeling, from my perception, is an exercise in that exact principle they are seeking to express.

Yes, no?

(03-05-2012, 04:01 PM)Azrael Wrote: Okay, I think you've expressed it the clearest here than you have before.

This is where there is another point of confusion within the Ra material, once again because of the rampant use of the word "Self" and "Selves". I understand this is probably difficult to make more obvious, but when one is in Service to Self, what exactly is the "Self" defined as at that point? As in, what do you feel the self-image of one such as this would be?

How can one tell if another is attached to their individuated Identity or not?

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A greater question, is it even important to "identify" others as one or the other?

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I also ask you in the light of your own stated Unpolarized state, do you have awareness of the path of Service to Self?

(03-05-2012, 12:43 PM)ShinAr Wrote: It seems that it is not popular to express one's interpretations of the Ra material with regard to STS here in this forum.

(03-05-2012, 12:43 PM)ShinAr Wrote: It is obvious that most here are STS oriented and so my thoughts become agitating to them.

Quote:I think I will rpobably not be welcome here if I continue to offer my interpretataion of the Law of One and so I will avoid this particular forum and stick to the Olio Forum.