(09-20-2010, 04:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: i think it would be more precise to consider it a 'rock spirit' beingness, a state of being, that exists within that rock. general rock spirit state would differ from rock to rock, with infinite variations and nature, within themselves.

and more importantly;

did you stop to think that whether that rock wanted to be moved from its location or not, or to be shattered ?

(09-21-2010, 09:12 AM)unity100 Wrote: or, you would feel very annoyed, since you have been burned and frozen and grinded for aeons going about around the planet and in its crust and finally were enjoying a brief interlude of peace without change.

what you would consider an 'opportunity' may not be as such for the other.

(09-21-2010, 12:47 PM)unity100 Wrote: annoying or being pleased is translation of the situation to our understanding frame.

the preferences of rocks, their experiences would include 'change', 'being changed', and motion.

(09-21-2010, 02:08 PM)unity100 Wrote: it should not be taken as just a simple concept like 'happiness'. it should be understood more in the violet ray equivalent of being comfortable with its density/surroundings and the rate of change.
or, violet ray's equivalent for earlier octave. ie, balance and its situation in regard to the other balances in the environment.

(03-17-2012, 08:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Are we so entrenched in our own awareness that we can't even begin to imagine the awareness of water? Can water care if it is "mis-used?" What IS mis-use of water?

Quote:9.4 Questioner: The original, first entities on this planet—what was their origin? Where were they before they were on this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The first entities upon this planet were water, fire, air and earth.

Quote:13.16 Questioner: Could you tell me about this first density of planetary entities?

Ra: I am Ra. Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

(03-17-2012, 08:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: but does water's awareness allow it to discern between a preferable situation and a non-preferable situation?

(03-17-2012, 09:21 PM)51/49 Wrote: though maybe our interactions with the elements influence their growth to the next density?

(03-17-2012, 09:31 PM)51/49 Wrote: yes , but do you think the controlled chemical reactions by 3d beings any affect/influence?

(03-17-2012, 09:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-17-2012, 08:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: but does water's awareness allow it to discern between a preferable situation and a non-preferable situation?

I am fairly certain that 'free will' extends down to the subatomic level, which would include H20. That is, there is no 'pure randomness' per-se in the 'decisions' of a molecule. Labeling that 'choice' as 'discernment' is a bit of a stretch. But I think there is necessarily some form of 'free-will' available (and, in some manner, practiced by consciousness) at each density.

(03-17-2012, 09:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: But could it be that these elements express their will by simply existing?

(03-17-2012, 09:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Like you said, discernment is a bit of a stretch, but perhaps the sub-atomic choices made are the choice to exist, causing light/love to take shape as the elements choose. Can we infringe upon a 1D entity's choice to exist?

Quote:Sailing stones, sliding rocks, and moving rocks all refer to a geological phenomenon where rocks move in long tracks along a smooth valley floor without human or animal intervention. They have been recorded and studied in a number of places around Racetrack Playa, Death Valley, where the number and length of travel grooves are notable. The force behind their movement is not confirmed and is the subject of research.

The stones move only every two or three years and most tracks develop over three or four years. Stones with rough bottoms leave straight striated tracks while those with smooth bottoms wander. Stones sometimes turn over, exposing another edge to the ground and leaving a different track in the stone's wake.

Trails differ in both direction and length. Rocks that start next to each other may travel parallel for a time, before one abruptly changes direction to the left, right, or even back the direction it came from. Trail length also varies – two similarly sized and shaped rocks may travel uniformly, then one could move ahead or stop in its track.

Quote:3.8 Questioner: How were the blocks moved?

Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.

This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rockness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

In this way, that which is required is accomplished due to a cooperation of the infinite understanding of the Creator indwelling in the living rock. This is, of course, the mechanism by which many things are accomplished which are not subject to your present means of physical analysis of action at a distance.

Quote:87.7 Questioner: What is the environmental situation of this particular fifth-density entity, and how does he work with fourth-density negative entities in order to establish power and control; what is his particular philosophy with respect to himself as Creator and with respect to the use of the first distortion and the extension of the first distortion to the fourth-density negative? I hope that this isn’t too complex a question.

Ra: I am Ra. The environment of your companion is that of the rock, the cave, the place of barrenness, for this is the density of wisdom and that which is needed may be thought and received. To this entity very little is necessary upon the physical, if you will, or space/time complex of distortions.

Such an entity spends its consciousness within the realms of time/space in an attempt to learn the ways of wisdom through the utmost use of the powers and resources of the self. Since the self is the Creator, the wisdom density provides many informative and fascinating experiences for the negatively polarized entity. In some respects one may see a more lucid early attachment to wisdom from those of negative polarity as the nexus of positions of consciousness upon which wisdom is laid is simpler.

The relationship of such an entity to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.

(03-17-2012, 10:02 PM)zenmaster Wrote: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/35391/title/Math_Trek__Do_subatomic_particles_have_free_will%3F

Quote:Kochen and Conway say the best way out of this paradox is to accept that the particle’s spin doesn’t exist until it’s measured. But there’s one way to escape their noose: Suppose for a moment that Alice and Bob’s choice of axis to measure is not a free choice. Then Nature could be conspiring to prevent them from choosing the axes that will reveal the violation of the rule. Kochen and Conway can’t rule that possibility out entirely, but Kochen says, “A man on the street would say, ‘Don’t be ridiculous.’ A natural feeling is, of course, that what we do, we do of our own free will. Not completely, but certainly to the point of knowing we can choose what button to push in an experiment.”

Quote:Gerard ’t Hooft of the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, who won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1999, says the pair’s conclusions are legitimate — but he chooses determinism over free will. “As a determined determinist I would say that yes, you bet, an experimenter's choice what to measure was fixed from the dawn of time, and so were the properties of the thing he decided to call a photon,” ’t Hooft says. “If you believe in determinism, you have to believe it all the way. No escape possible. Conway and Kochen have shown here in a beautiful way that a half-hearted belief in pseudo-determinism is impossible to sustain.”

(03-18-2012, 02:26 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So the behavior of subatomic particles seems arbitrary, as if it has the free will to decide how to behave. So essentially their behavior forms the illusion around us, interacting with our perception to create our reality. Could it be that through their free will, just like us, they express a type of archetypal energy that our particular Logos has chosen? Thus every step of our evolution, from 1D material to 3D beings, our existence is shaped by these energies. The presence of archetypes within the human mind could be both divine (archetype?) and also a result of evolutionary adaptation to our environment (archaic remnant?). The energies set in place and we mold to them, evolving the archetypes in our mind that the Logos has chosen for us through simply evolving within an environment essentially constructed, step by step, through archetypal expression.

(03-17-2012, 09:13 PM)plenum Wrote: I think we get into the area of 'mis-use' when one treats something WITHOUT RESPECT. We treat it as a 'resource', a 'mineral', something to be used.

(03-18-2012, 02:26 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So the behavior of subatomic particles seems arbitrary, as if it has the free will to decide how to behave. So essentially their behavior forms the illusion around us, interacting with our perception to create our reality. Could it be that through their free will, just like us, they express a type of archetypal energy that our particular Logos has chosen?

(03-17-2012, 09:50 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: ...Can we infringe upon a 1D entity's choice to exist?