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'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - BrownEye - 01-02-2013 Spiritual people are more likely to be mentally ill (but at least they think life has more meaning) Quote:Being spiritual may give life deeper meaning, but it can also make you more susceptible to mental illness, new research suggests.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255894/Spiritual-people-likely-mentally-ill-think-life-meaning.html RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Sagittarius - 01-03-2013 Doesn't really surprise me. 7000 people from England hardly represents a global pattern though. Would likely change from area to area. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - native - 01-03-2013 (01-02-2013, 11:32 PM)Pickle Wrote: The vast majority of this group were Christian. Not exactly scientific, now is it? I wonder how many buddhists are mentally ill. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Parsons - 01-03-2013 Science fact: 75% of conventional scientists have a stick up their butt. I will be entirely fair: I'm sure if you somehow polled the entire population, you would find similarly higher 'mental illness' from spiritualists as opposed to religious/atheists. However... Wouldn't they classify channeling as 'hearing voices' or some sort of personality disorder? I'm sure there is an enormous percentage of people misdiagnosed by conventional psychology that are having a spiritual issue/catalyst, not a legitimate 'disorder'. Everyone here knows the actual political reason for this 'study': to denounce the group they can't control to poison the sleepers against us. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - reeay - 01-03-2013 To critically analyze this type of research it's important to look into the details of the study - such as how 'spirituality' and 'mental illness' were defined and measured, self-reported answers, sampling, what statistical analysis was used, how data was interpreted, the process in which data was collected, etc. We can't just give arbitrary percentages and dismiss a community. Such studies are usually full or methodological errors/weaknesses and therefore have low generalizability (can we say the results of study is a good representation of what happens in the larger populations) and validity (e.g., did study measure what they purported to measure, thus did they capture this phenomenon accurately). Probably a weak study and anybody could intuitively and rationally see why there may be a connection between 'mental illness' and 'spirituality'... but that doesn't mean that if you're spiritual, you're mentally ill.. or that if you're mentally ill, then you are spiritual. That's BS. This study is saying there is a connection but it was not designed to explain why this is the case. There was a correlation statistically. That's it. Don't read more into it than that. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Liet - 01-03-2013 To give a more honest and descriptive view of this whole thing, as most studies tend to not meassure the benefits of having the things attained through the tradeoff, just what is lost. ...heres a study meassuring the brains surface thickness. "Meditators, compared with controls, showed significantly greater cortical thickness in the anterior regions of the brain, including the medial prefrontal cortex(forehead), superior frontal cortex(mid-chest), temporal pole and the middle and inferior temporal cortices (upper parts of the negative and positive polaritzed throat aspect)). Significantly thinner cortical thickness was found in the posterior regions of the brain, located in the parietal and occipital areas, including the postcentral cortex, inferior parietal cortex, middle occipital cortex and posterior cingulate cortex (most areas from feet to right below navel). Moreover, in the region adjacent to the medial prefrontal cortex, both higher fractional anisotropy values and greater cortical thickness were observed." Sadly this study did not specify both/left/right lateralization. another little quote; "gray matter concentration in the right hippocampus (related to the regular upper throat-face) and right anterior insula (base of the positively polarized throat) was significantly greater in meditators. The correlation of mean values at the right anterior insula and the hours of meditation training showed a trend toward significance. Mean values in the right hippocampus did not correlate with the hours of meditation training." RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - reeay - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 04:19 PM)Liet Wrote: To give a more honest and descriptive view of this whole thing, as most studies tend to not meassure the benefits of having the things attained through the tradeoff, just what is lost. Is there a connection between this particular study and the study on meditation's effect on brain structures? RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Liet - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 04:34 PM)rie Wrote:(01-03-2013, 04:19 PM)Liet Wrote: To give a more honest and descriptive view of this whole thing, as most studies tend to not meassure the benefits of having the things attained through the tradeoff, just what is lost. nop (apart from the fact that functional differences in the various brain areas are responsible for your mental health) RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Karl - 01-03-2013 I all-ready know I'm psychologically not-mainstream. No news there. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - reeay - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 04:38 PM)Liet Wrote: nop (apart from the fact that functional differences in the various brain areas are responsible for your mental health) Brain functions and structures account for some portion of the explanation of mental illness. We are not yet at a point in our understanding to be able to explain mental illness using brain structure and function, for that would be taking a reductionist approach to a phenomenon that is biological, social, and psychological. The problems with these studies is that they are cross-sectional studies and not longitudinal, therefore we only get a snap-shot picture of what happens to the brain when we engage in meditation. That's not to say tho, that meditation has no positive effects whatsoever. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Liet - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 07:50 PM)rie Wrote:(01-03-2013, 04:38 PM)Liet Wrote: nop (apart from the fact that functional differences in the various brain areas are responsible for your mental health) Sigh.. incredibly misinterpeted (rightfully so), shouldnt have used the word responsible. The brain (which is not nessessarily the cause; but merely side-effect) have coresponding areas to all the different energetic regions meaning if something is wrong/right, it has meassurable equivalent effects within both... if you alter the brain, you alter the information you can retrieve from the mind. Social and psycological factors alter the brain just as much as the brain changes it. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Sagittarius - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 04:19 PM)Liet Wrote: To give a more honest and descriptive view of this whole thing, as most studies tend to not meassure the benefits of having the things attained through the tradeoff, just what is lost. So what does a part of the brain being thicker mean? The bigger the brain usually the smarter the animal so I'am guessing it increases processing power? RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Liet - 01-03-2013 (01-03-2013, 09:21 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: So what does a part of the brain being thicker mean? The bigger the brain usually the smarter the animal so I'am guessing it increases processing power? There are lots of different things altering its functions in very different ways.. neuron density(and type?), gray/white matter, cortical thickness, connectivity, size, folding and probably something else.. i'm currently still figuring this s*** out. Pin-pointing all the different energies to their associated regions of the brain was only step one (tho it is proobably still in need of a few slight adjustments)... RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - BrownEye - 01-03-2013 Hey kids, I posted this for the humor. Found another humorous link as well. Understanding Global Demonic Possession through Face Recognition RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - Sagittarius - 01-04-2013 (01-03-2013, 09:31 PM)Pickle Wrote: Hey kids, I posted this for the humor. Found another humorous link as well. Looks at self in the mirror checking for kung-po eyes then see this ![]() Face of a demon I tell ya. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - turtledude23 - 02-18-2013 These results make sense to me, spirituality may be a coping mechanism for people who already have a mental disorder, but I doubt being spiritual can give you a mental disorder - unless it involves taking alot of hallucinogens and you have bad trips. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - AnthroHeart - 02-18-2013 I don't know how the really advanced spiritual gurus and people can hold it together. They must be facing a lot of their own darkness. It's amazing that they're not taken over by it. RE: 'Experts' Link Spirituality To Mental Illness - turtledude23 - 02-18-2013 (02-18-2013, 01:22 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I don't know how the really advanced spiritual gurus and people can hold it together. They must be facing a lot of their own darkness. It's amazing that they're not taken over by it. That's a good observation, I think the majority of famous gurus were probably either facing a major mental disorder or on a massive ego trip, though I think there were a few legitimately enlightened people like buddha who probably went through a guru phase but then saw the folly of it. |