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Should and Should Not's - Plenum - 05-28-2013
under the system of Free Will, everything is permissible in the quest for experience.
we have every right to be Confused, for eg (the law of confusion being an alternate naming of the law of free will).
so by that operation, it is an act of infringement and control to tell someone - "you can't do that', or 'you shouldn't do that" - well because it's well within your 'rights' to experience everything you want to experience. (PROVIDED THE INDIVIDUALS CONCERNED ARE CONSENTING TOO LOL)
Quote:16.20 Questioner: It would be unlike an entity fully aware of the knowledge of the Law of One to ever say “Thou shalt not.” Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
and we know that religion is full of these prescriptive rules - you can't do this, you can't do that.
but what about the converse side? what about "should rules and expectations"?
are these equally limiting and guilt inducing upon other people? (ie subtely expressing your 'should expectations' on others?)
or are 'should rules' just 'should not' rules expressed in a different way? ie
1) thou shalt not lie
2) thou shalt tell the truth
any difference?
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in the end, laws of society and cultural norms strike a balance between cohesive group functioning and individual expectations and freedoms.
but here I am more highlighting the subtle pressures we place on ourselves. Creating expectations of behaviour without truly tracing their source.
there is a reason for many rules for being in place; however, we quite often make rules for ourselves that have no examined basis.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Hototo - 05-28-2013
If I figure out what is an actual state of health from which to observe the other selves well enough to be able to say "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not" I'll let you know. Until then I prefer to keep my activities easy to ignore, snippy, and when I'm absolutely 100% sure. I may very carefully try to help someone with something.
Other than that I just send out a blanket "Ya'll do what ever the heck you want to do. I'll do what ever the heck I want to do."
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-28-2013
But what does the provided quote have to do with the matter?
RE: Should and Should Not's - AnthroHeart - 05-28-2013
I've learned not to ask Ra to please kill me and bring me back home. That apparently puts both of us in a tough spot. I was actually excited when I thought they had really done so, since I was experiencing strange new phenomena. I was desperate at that moment.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Marc - 05-28-2013
...But on the other side of the coin of free will, if you do abridge free will, it is only an illusion of it, because the higher selves would've had to make arrangements about allowing it to happen before hand.
So the reason I wish to not interfere is out of respect for the Tao of each individual.
Edit: and if I do happen to interfere I accept and forgive myself immediately knowing the deeper reality behind the situation.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Aureus - 05-28-2013
An entity that is fully aware of the Law of One, being fully balanced, would see no imperfection; would not be moved;not experience anything "wrong", thus will by nature not express the need to control.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Marc - 05-28-2013
Aureus, your wording of the concept just made it really clear to me.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Adonai One - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 06:12 PM)Aureus Wrote: An entity that is fully aware of the Law of One, being fully balanced, would see no imperfection; would not be moved;not experience anything "wrong", thus will by nature not express the need to control.
It's rather anarchistic. The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One. Humans have an animality to them, they desire control in the name of the "public good" or themselves.
(05-28-2013, 12:16 PM)plenum Wrote: in the end, laws of society and cultural norms strike a balance between cohesive group functioning and individual expectations and freedoms.They haven't. That's why we have war. That's why we have "terrorists". There isn't a balance.
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 08:24 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One.Who among humanity can handle The Law of One?
RE: Should and Should Not's - Adonai One - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 12:16 PM)plenum Wrote: are these equally limiting and guilt inducing upon other people? (ie subtely expressing your 'should expectations' on others?)This would still infringe on the freewill of others. This is the same thing. There is no difference.
or are 'should rules' just 'should not' rules expressed in a different way? ie
1) thou shalt not lie
2) thou shalt tell the truth
any difference?
(05-28-2013, 08:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-28-2013, 08:24 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One.Who among humanity can handle The Law of One?
Remote societies closed off from international affairs and intervention, that act cohesively among themselves, perhaps? Make your point because I would love to hear it.
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 08:32 PM)Adonai One Wrote:I'm wondering where you are getting your notion of what "The Law of One" entails. You do realize this awareness is only just available to graduating fifth density entities?(05-28-2013, 08:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-28-2013, 08:24 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One.Who among humanity can handle The Law of One?
Remote societies closed off from international affairs and intervention that act cohesively among themselves, perhaps? Make your point because I would love to hear it.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Adonai One - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 08:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote:I am but I am speaking within a political and societal context it seems. I am talking about a society that abides by an awareness of The Law of One. I theorize such a society would see no need to apply restrictions such as laws or have an army and a police force except beyond defending against an invasion by an outside force.(05-28-2013, 08:32 PM)Adonai One Wrote:I'm wondering where you are getting your notion of what "The Law of One" entails. You do realize this awareness is only just available to graduating fifth density entities?(05-28-2013, 08:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-28-2013, 08:24 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One.Who among humanity can handle The Law of One?
Remote societies closed off from international affairs and intervention that act cohesively among themselves, perhaps? Make your point because I would love to hear it.
RE: Should and Should Not's - AnthroHeart - 05-28-2013
Moved
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 08:43 PM)Adonai One Wrote:lol. gotta crawl before you can walk.(05-28-2013, 08:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote:I am but I am speaking within a political and societal context it seems. I am talking about a society that abides by an awareness of The Law of One. I theorize such a society would see no need to apply restrictions such as laws or have an army and a police force except beyond defending against an invasion by an outside force.(05-28-2013, 08:32 PM)Adonai One Wrote:I'm wondering where you are getting your notion of what "The Law of One" entails. You do realize this awareness is only just available to graduating fifth density entities?(05-28-2013, 08:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-28-2013, 08:24 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The chaotic nature we see within "anarchy" or a "vacuum of power" here on Earth is due to the fact that most of humanity can't readily handle The Law of One.Who among humanity can handle The Law of One?
Remote societies closed off from international affairs and intervention that act cohesively among themselves, perhaps? Make your point because I would love to hear it.
RE: Should and Should Not's - JustLikeYou - 05-28-2013
I think perhaps he means living in consonance with the Law of One in its distortion as 3rd density balance, a perspective that would look like this:
"The entire universe is a living entity of which I am a functioning member. I share the will of the Universe in granting all its other members the free will to explore themselves according to their own determinations. I offer my love and light to all. May my love heal and my light inspire."
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As far as the OP goes, I'd say that either side of the ought/ought not polarity is an abridgment of free will upon whoever it is enforced upon. If you enforce it upon yourself, it is an abridgment of your own free will. A truly balanced entity does not need to rely on an ethical system because it's deepest desires align with the highest ethics without strain or effort.
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-28-2013
(05-28-2013, 08:53 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: I think perhaps he means living in consonance with the Law of One in its distortion as 3rd density balance, a perspective that would look like this:lol. That's called an "affirmation".
"The entire universe is a living entity of which I am a functioning member. I share the will of the Universe in granting all its other members the free will to explore themselves according to their own determinations. I offer my love and light to all. May my love heal and my light inspire."
RE: Should and Should Not's - Adonai One - 05-28-2013
Imagine a society that doesn't call for the death and indefinite imprisonment of the murderer, the looting of the assets of a stingy and wealthy baron, nor for the change and "freedom" of a society and culture different than theirs.
I like to think this is the kind of tolerance the LOO entails: Tolerance for all things, all philosophies and all desires.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Marc - 05-29-2013
As zenmaster and others have stated, understanding the LOO is way beyond us right now and only rarely does a (3D) person truly have a fraction of understanding it.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Jeremy - 05-29-2013
(05-29-2013, 12:03 AM)MarcRammer Wrote: As zenmaster and others have stated, understanding the LOO is way beyond us right now and only rarely does a (3D) person truly have a fraction of understanding it.
Exactly. Imagining this utopian society is all well and good. Heck I do it all the time but its mainly just a passing thought. There is no point on dwelling on such matters because such a utopian society would negate the entire reason for this current density.
It's supposed to be this difficult. It's supposed to be this corrupt and unjust. It's supposed to bring one to that ultimate crescendo of the Choice of polarization. That's why we are here.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Aloneness - 05-29-2013
(05-29-2013, 07:08 AM)Jeremy Wrote:(05-29-2013, 12:03 AM)MarcRammer Wrote: As zenmaster and others have stated, understanding the LOO is way beyond us right now and only rarely does a (3D) person truly have a fraction of understanding it.
Exactly. Imagining this utopian society is all well and good. Heck I do it all the time but its mainly just a passing thought. There is no point on dwelling on such matters because such a utopian society would negate the entire reason for this current density.
It's supposed to be this difficult. It's supposed to be this corrupt and unjust. It's supposed to bring one to that ultimate crescendo of the Choice of polarization. That's why we are here.
It's supposed to be this glorious utopian society. I won't settle for anything less.
RE: Should and Should Not's - reeay - 05-29-2013
You know when you tell little children not to do something, they more likely will? When children are instructed to do what they are supposed to do, they respond better bc expectations are more explicit.
e.g., Don't run down the hall vs. Walk down this hallway.
Thou shalt not lie vs. Thous shalt tell the truth or Thou shalt be honest
Perhaps bc the cue word 'run' or 'lie' is in the command, for one who is yet learning rules and ways of the world, these cues are likely taken literally. Vague commands such as 'don't run' or 'walk' are also ineffective bc it's not specific enough for younger minds. A younger mind needs more explicit rules bc younger people are still going thru their intellectual & moral developmental process. At some point, a command needs to be coupled with a rationale - walk down this hallway so we may get to where we need to go in a safe, orderly manner. Then at a further point, the person may make own decision on own actions.
If we go thru these developmental stages, so too could our society go thru these stages.
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-29-2013
(05-29-2013, 02:11 PM)rie Wrote: If we go thru these developmental stages, so too could our society go thru these stages.Yes, within 3D there are developmental stages which actually have obvious indications due to reliance on specific core values for expression. The evolutionary process is a recognizable pattern here, which reinforces the notion that we are at the mercy of society, developmentally. "magical thinking" - a stage, "should and should not dilemma" - a stage, UFOs/conspiracies emphasis - a stage, affirmations - a stage, "what the bleep" - a stage, whatever "Nassim Haramein" spews (lol) - a stage. Many of these moral and metaphysical notions, esp those lacking knowledge context (i.e. projected, inflated, exaggerated, hand-waved, over-extended, etc) indicate a demand for more learning catalyst related to discovering and accepting oneself from the standpoint of yet another stage.
The green v-meme, for example, always perceives itself as the culmination of the spiral because it is the first stage discovering the transcendent aspect of self in a potentially transpersonal manner (i.e. "green-ray", subjective valuing >= objective valuing, "the secret", "dream interpretation", "special knowing", "ego pathologies", "being vs doing", "new-age", etc). That new ability is one's first exposure to infinity of being (infinity = the ultimate), with all of its certainty, and just another temporary lesson. But the temporary lesson is almost always projected as being indicative of some forthcoming new "density" - even though the same level of acceptance/distortion may have been experienced as far back as the Atlantean society, perhaps a thousand years before its peak.
Transcendent principles always correspond, allegorically, to metaphysical notions. Thus we must have the emphasis on leaders, groups, institutions, principles, systems, etc which promote or embody the notions (esp, channelers) so that exposure to that stage may be maximized. Not only could society go through these stages, it is doing so now and is doing so in, as developmental psychology reveals, an identifiable and predictable manner.
RE: Should and Should Not's - reeay - 05-29-2013
Overthrow authority to become the new authority - that's like having a political/idealogical revolution that just perpetuates the same crap w/ new sets of values for society. New sets of shoulds and shouldn'ts w/o learning the green meme lessons sufficiently to go onto next stage of yellow and turquoise.
A 'mature' green meme could begin to appreciate the complexity and multiplicity of perspectives and ways of life - thus, should and should not is understood by being contextually sensitive. So instead of saying should or shouldn't, people may say, well it depends on the situation. I would think green meme people may begin to handle more ambiguity (grey areas) and complexity of situation, but not fully see or understand the complexity until yellow meme (systemic thinking). I think mean green meme have one tool - a hammer- so everything looks like a nail that needs to be hammered down (dogmatic, anti-authoritarian). A mature greek meme has more tools - so they are able to assess situations and use more appropriate tools, perhaps?
By yellow, society has a kaleidoscope to view itself as an organism w/ parts within it working in some kind of organized pattern. I think Dr. Beck said yellow was 'right brain w/ data' and turquoise was 'left brain w/ feelings'. Reminds me of the balance btwn intuition and rational mind that Ra talked about (49.4).
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-30-2013
(05-29-2013, 11:05 PM)rie Wrote: Overthrow authority to become the new authority - that's like having a political/idealogical revolution that just perpetuates the same crap w/ new sets of values for society. New sets of shoulds and shouldn'ts w/o learning the green meme lessons sufficiently to go onto next stage of yellow and turquoise.
A 'mature' green meme could begin to appreciate the complexity and multiplicity of perspectives and ways of life - thus, should and should not is understood by being contextually sensitive.
There's always "context", but what such context may include depends on what's capable of being accepted. In green vMeme, subjective (interior) experience has a brand-new luster, so the "context" is that everything is compared against the infinite potential suggested by, but not appreciated by, an idealogy of relativism. But wait, there is nothing from actual experiential knowledge, to balance or back up such feeling-based evaluation, so the imbalance inevitably leads to the "as-if", zealot, escapist pathologies we see on these forums. What happens later in yellow, is that subjective context balances out as it is slowly matched with a working, world-view objective system (limits are now in place). time, inward, we, feeling, yin moves to space, outward, me, thinking, yang.
(05-29-2013, 11:05 PM)rie Wrote: So instead of saying should or shouldn't, people may say, well it depends on the situation. I would think green meme people may begin to handle more ambiguity (grey areas) and complexity of situation, but not fully see or understand the complexity until yellow meme (systemic thinking).Yes, it's not possible to contextualize the feeling-derived evaluations or even understand that such a thing is possible until yellow meme. Meanwhile, 4D must equate to all of the vague, idealized potentials suggested by green valuing.
(05-29-2013, 11:05 PM)rie Wrote: I think mean green meme have one tool - a hammer- so everything looks like a nail that needs to be hammered down (dogmatic, anti-authoritarian).It's merely a new recognition of how (their own) authoritative patterning has effectively denied a certain degree of freedom. As a new, less-distorted, way is apprehended, the internal structure must be changed to accommodate. So those groups and individuals which may be expressing quite healthy authority in blue get to be targets of projection.
(05-29-2013, 11:05 PM)rie Wrote: A mature greek meme has more tools - so they are able to assess situations and use more appropriate tools, perhaps?I think honesty is available to keep the idealogy in check, throughout green. But the powerful appeal to certain, selective infinite possibilities which reflect personal values will often override that check. I guess healthy green draws from a "context" which has a certain degree of balance due to acceptance.
(05-29-2013, 11:05 PM)rie Wrote: By yellow, society has a kaleidoscope to view itself as an organism w/ parts within it working in some kind of organized pattern. I think Dr. Beck said yellow was 'right brain w/ data' and turquoise was 'left brain w/ feelings'. Reminds me of the balance btwn intuition and rational mind that Ra talked about (49.4).In the 3D subdensities, there does seem to be an oscillation between temporal (inner) and spatial (outer) perspectives which is reflected by a bias in the evaluating psychological faculty. My guess is that turquoise, and not green, would be the first subdensity of "4D", only because of 1) the knowledge of self required to make "the choice" would be actualized by then and 2) the catalyst available from orange and yellow vibrations would not be quite the compelling learning tool by then.
RE: Should and Should Not's - reeay - 05-30-2013
lol I wrote 'greek' meme instead of 'green'. It's not a slip, honestly.
Ra said (re left/right brain),"The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled."
So is the more intuitive, subjective dominant Green where we may become 'stuck' in 3D? If I were to 'look for signs' to make my choices, then I am perhaps using some parts of my mind but not making choices with full awareness of decision making as to to take full responsibilities for my decisions? If my 'guides' told me that I should do x, y, z and shouldn't do a, b, c... and I am not able to take ownership of this decision thru conscious understanding of rationale for decision and consequences of my decision, then I would not be making a choice?
RE: Should and Should Not's - zenmaster - 05-30-2013
"Acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty" means that the individual has an awareness of how intuition operates. However, if the faculty is new then the amazing things it is capable of suggesting (infinite potentials of being) is more valued than rational (evaluated) considerations. It's much like the child overindulging on candy due to appeal of sugar. The new taste sensations must be over indulged to refresh the experience for its own sake, well beyond what is appropriate to health. In the hyper intuitive, what is meaningful and important is what is unconsciously suggested/promised by the signpost. That feeling in itself fulfills. It indulges the creative potential which is, energetically, like the child's candy.
RE: Should and Should Not's - Hototo - 05-30-2013
A child's candy is a good analogue:
Candy for the Catalyst Child.