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This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 I tried to subtly hint at this in the archetypes board but I've decided to open it up wide open: Love is an illusion. Even as Ra has said, it is a distortion. It is a creation within illusory experiences. This shouldn't even be controversial but I know many of you will question this. Love is something sacred to you. It gives you something to aspire to. And the irony is that is its very spirit and purpose. It is the moonlight in the darkness. I digress, why is love a distortion you ask? Because it already exists as the defacto state within infinity. The unity of love is inherent. Love only needs to be defined as a concept when it is shaded by darkness and disunity in an existence such as ours. Within infinity, it needs no name. Love does not to be defined for it is not strived for. It simply is. So when one loves all things, truly so, love as a concept becomes extraneous. A concept needs duality in order to exist, at least here, thus love is only made definable by disunity. This is like a yin and yang type of thing. Anyways, just food for thought that we can discuss. References: Quote:1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is? Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration? RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - xise - 07-11-2013 If you broadly define illusion, there is nothing illogical about what you say. My questions are: (1) Do the conclusions you draw from this analysis follow in the spirit of the Law of One's treatment of love? (2) What practical purpose, spiritual or otherwise, does this analysis have on your seeking or any other actions you might take in this incarnation? Always interesting reading your posts, Albert. -Isaac RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 When Ra said he wasn't of the love nor the light all he meant was that he was united with creation. Within unity, these concepts are undefinable because there non-existence is inconceivable. (07-11-2013, 06:16 AM)xise Wrote: If you broadly define illusion, there is nothing illogical about what you say. If one seeks love, then they must know what it is. Ra has stated the distortions very clearly. Love is the second distortion. When one wants to see through the darkness, they must know what the darkness is. In other words, by knowing love and unity is the default state, we can better face disunity. Make sense? RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - xise - 07-11-2013 If seeing love as an illusion helps you know and seek love, then that belief may well be a useful tool in your journey. But to know love through the mind is to miss out on its beauty. Open the heart. Experience that connectedness feeling and you will know love in a much more intimate way than anyone can put into words. This is the reason love is considered sacred by many. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 06:36 AM)xise Wrote: If seeing love as an illusion helps you know and seek love, then that belief may well be a useful tool in your journey. The love of the heart is simply love of the body or love within the illusion. As the body is a creature of the mind, I have yet to see the heart as anything else. I have yet to see this truly discredited except out of calls of mysticism and enchantment. The funny thing is many will consider this derision of the heart. This is not so. It only is if one considers knowledge non-virtuous. I hold love as simply the desire to get to know creation. This is not only done in books but in love-making, play and all of the whimsical things people refer to as heartful as even this is the exploration of infinity. The feeling of love is just a return to the unity that exists. I feel that in my own way. Words are abstraction, highly distorted creations. The irony is I embrace such illusion for it is an equal part of infinity. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - ChickenInSpace - 07-11-2013 As creation became/becomes self-aware it also creates the first feeling for itself. It is commonly called love because if you're all that is, chances are good you have a positive disposition to yourself. So begat polarity at top level, starting with the identification of concepts. That's how I see it, anyway. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Aureus - 07-11-2013 Love is acceptance. Acceptance is growth. Growth is the untangling of the illusion, the polarity integration. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 07:25 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: As creation became/becomes self-aware it also creates the first feeling for itself. It is commonly called love because if you're all that is, chances are good you have a positive disposition to yourself. A positive feeling cannot be identitified without the negative. It only becomes clear with its shadow. The creator only begans to creates concepts as it conceives galaxies, not at the level of infinity. (07-11-2013, 09:18 AM)Aureus Wrote: Love is acceptance. Acceptance is growth. Growth is the untangling of the illusion, the polarity integration. Growth is a function of a reality with shadow. Without shadow, there is no light to aspire to. You are the light, you are all things. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - vervex - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 06:47 AM)Adonai One Wrote:(07-11-2013, 06:36 AM)xise Wrote: But to know love through the mind is to miss out on its beauty. Open the heart. Experience that connectedness feeling and you will know love in a much more intimate way than anyone can put into words. This is the reason love is considered sacred by many. I'm going to assume here that xise was speaking of what some call the "center" or "heart chakra" when he said "open the heart", not the physical heart. It doesn't have much to do with the body. Consider this: opening the heart opens a portal to the infinite flow, to source. So when you connect with others through the heart, you are connecting to their infinite divine essence, a true connection the more limited mind cannot comprehend or experience. Our minds have limitations, but the heart does not, because it is a wide-open connection to the all-that-is. Indeed unconditional love could be described as flow and unity. It is the recognition of it, the experience of it. That is my experience at least ![]() RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Marc - 07-11-2013 If you define illusion as this I completely agree. (01-05-2013, 12:54 PM)Siren Wrote:(01-03-2013, 05:04 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: What are your thought? When I understood infinite/unconditional love I found it to be an illusion. I love. There is no distinction in who or what, I just love. (I tried explain this to my wife and she couldn't understand it at all and it ended up hurting her because of lack of understanding, so maybe I'll choose better ways to say I love you in the future.) RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 Thank you for that post, MarcRammer. That adds much needed context. As for Vervex, body to me is a concept more than it is flesh but that's irrelevant. The reason you think the mind has limitations is because you associate it with abstraction and very high-level distortions such as words. Of course when one solely thinks through the distorted darkness that is creation, they become dulled to the lower-level infinity that exists in all things. One's mind does not have to be solely limited in such a way. Semantically, I hold that an opening of the heart is a true desire of your mind to embrace creation. People can continue to disassociate the mind from this and that's fine. Regardless, I acknowledge the heart (lol pun) of your message and it is indeed true: The heart can "overcome" the dark illusions and dreariness of the mind. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - ChickenInSpace - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 12:19 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(07-11-2013, 07:25 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: As creation became/becomes self-aware it also creates the first feeling for itself. It is commonly called love because if you're all that is, chances are good you have a positive disposition to yourself. Yes, the yin yang of creation, so to speak. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Hototo - 07-11-2013 Most controversial thing I'll say? A girl in the movie theater next to me while I watched Despicable Me 2 had the same shoes as a other girl I know had when I last saw her. I paid attention. I smiled. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Philosoraptor - 07-11-2013 Love is simply the most misunderstood, bastardized, and subjectively biased word in human language. That being said, within the context of a cosmology, Love is, in its purest sense, Intelligent Infinity "funneled" (out of free-will) and "con-centrated" into a kinetic focus of activity/motion/energy/vibration. Love is a Thought of the highest possible order, magnitude and intensity. Love is the potentiated, self-aware Creator. Love is the kinetic, dynamic, creative force of all Creation. Love is the primordial orgasm. From there on, Love may be distorted, twisted and contorted infinitely into various shapes and forms and actions to gain an infinitely varied experience of Itself. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 02:28 PM)Philosoraptor Wrote: Love is a Thought of the highest possible order, magnitude and intensity.All thoughts are equal for they are "love" or in unity. But unity does not need a name in the end for a name separates. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Unbound - 07-11-2013 Illusion is an illusion. What you are saying is an illusion. Truth is an illusion. Etc, etc., RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 02:47 PM)Tanner Wrote: Illusion is an illusion. What you are saying is an illusion. Truth is an illusion. Etc, etc., And we are here to journey through that darkness so why not know it as what it is? RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Unbound - 07-11-2013 Knowledge is an illusion. Knowing is an illusion. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 Heh. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Everything can be inevitably understood. That's why we are here. There is no mystery above me or anyone else. Infinity shall know itself. That is our purpose. I concede. Knowledge is an illusion for all is already known. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Spaced - 07-11-2013 The universe is a kaleidoscope of creation that is constantly changing, understanding just creates new mysteries. As Ra would say "Thus all begins and ends in mystery." RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Unbound - 07-11-2013 Is mystery also an illusion? Is the illusion a mystery? RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Spaced - 07-11-2013 My hair is an illusion . . . and yet I still brush it every day. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Karl - 07-11-2013 Everything is illusion. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Unbound - 07-11-2013 And that is a great mystery, no? There is a reason the old schools were called mystery schools and not just because they were mysterious. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 So we can conclude illusion is reality and reality is illusion. People may think I wish to transcend it... I just wish to know it. Anyways, this discussion will be beneficial for all who see it. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Marc - 07-11-2013 And everything is reality. Nothing does not exist. Reality/illusion are yin and yang. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Spaced - 07-11-2013 In regards to love, love is what generates light and imprints it with information. Light is what makes up the holographic reality in which we find ourselves. As such love is the prime mover and creative force of this Logos' creation. This reality could then be said to be a distortion of love and love is the distortion of unity chosen by our logos, through free will, to explore itself. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 As Ra said, love is the heartbeat. It separate and unites this creation. Seperation is not possible yet it is. In the end, love is only uniting even through the illusory separation. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - xise - 07-11-2013 Philosophically speaking, unconditional, universal, love is the singular most unifying concept conceivable. RE: This will be the most controversial thing I will say. - Adonai One - 07-11-2013 (07-11-2013, 04:16 PM)xise Wrote: Philosophically speaking, unconditional, universal, love is the singular most unifying concept conceivable. And true unity needs no concept nor name to define it. It simply is. Names separate. Love is the act of unifying. Unification is the end of such act. |