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switching polarities / orientation - PEA1010 - 02-08-2010
Greetings..., I came upon the LOO material recently (I'm still studying) and have a 2-part query / curiosity that keeps challenging me. It's likely something that is addressed in the Ra material but I haven't read it all yet. I appreciate any feedback and apologize for asking what may seem like a stupid question.
Why does it seem so easy for a negatively polarized STS entity to A) progress all the way to 6th density and B) ultimately switch polarity instantly from 6th density negative to 6th density positive? I understand that all entities must eventually assume 6th density positive orientation as our higher selves exist in 6th density positive and resist 6th density negative polarity. I may have gotten some of that wrong. It almost makes the STS path appear a bit too attractive from my limited perspective. I imagine that many awake STS entities might feel empowered and encouraged by that knowledge but I guess it makes perfect sense because of free will etc. and it can't be any other way. Any other way would negate free will.
It also seems odd to me that a negatively polarized entity can graduate to higher densities while entities that are between the balance of STS and STO ie; those who haven't commited themselves one way or the other, remain trapped in the cycle of rebirth or 3rd density after harvest. Why aren't the STS entities also trapped in the 3D cycle after harvest? I assume that a lot of this has to do with universal balancing polarities.
Thanks for you patience....
Regards,
Paul
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Cyclops - 02-08-2010
There is a power you are able to tap when you pursue the path of seperation, in that domination and the opposite of unity lies great power. The Ra material says the Law of One does not turn away any. This simply means that a negative entity and a positive entity can progress together up to the mid-sixth density evenly..
Quote:The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a Night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the one infinite Creator.
The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, and to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great.
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During that time if you are not vibrating the "Law of One" it's impossible to progress because beyond it seek the "Law of Foreverness".
Quote:Questioner: Well then let’s say that when Himmler reaches sixth-density negative, would he realize that his Higher Self was positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth-density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.
Quote:Graduation to sixth density is very difficult for theby Q'uo
negative polarity, for sixth density is the density of
unity. When negative entities reach the point in
sixth density at which they fully understand the
lessons of sixth density, that is, that all things are
One, they find that their negative path is at an end,
they are at a standstill, unable to evolve one iota
more. Using every bit of determination, will and
faith that they have, they cause themselves to switch
polarity in order that they may go on evolving. This
seems at the time to be a service-to-self choice, for
one thing that may be said of all densities is that
there is an undeniable drive towards evolution.
However, when the negative entity has switched
polarity, it quickly discovers the sweetness of its
choice. It must review a great deal of material it has
missed, but it is the convert that is more fervent, if
anything, than the one who has always been positive.
It is the most positive of positive entities, the most
loving, the most desirous of service, for it knows that
it has finally discovered the truth that will continue
its evolution.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Monica - 02-09-2010
Hi Paul and welcome to Bring4th!
The STS path may seem glamorous and even easy by comparison to the STO path, but Ra/Q'uo have indicated that it is indeed a difficult and 'bloody' path. Remember they must achieve a much higher percentage of polarity to be harvestable. Those who choose to traverse this path have my respect and compassion. Their path is much more difficult than ours.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - PEA1010 - 02-11-2010
Thanks for your informative replies. I read each one carefully.
Regards,
Paul
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Sacred Fool - 02-12-2010
Hi there, Paul, and, again, welcome.
There's nothing stupid in your questions that I can see. These are concepts which seem unfair and counter-intuitive to many at first blush. It simply can take a good long time to feel your way into the depth of what this framework for perceiving Creation has to offer. With some things, thinking about them too hard doesn't help a whole lot. They're meant to be enjoyed more in the experience than in the description.
My thanks also to Cyclops, by the way, for digging out all those quotes. The one about the converted STS characters becoming the most fervent do-gooders is one of my favorites on this topic. (Aside: it must be hard for you to find proper eyeglasses, my friend.)
(02-08-2010, 10:05 PM)PEA1010 Wrote: Why does it seem so easy for a negatively polarized STS entity to A) progress all the way to 6th density and B) ultimately switch polarity instantly from 6th density negative to 6th density positive? I understand that all entities must eventually assume 6th density positive orientation as our higher selves exist in 6th density positive and resist 6th density negative polarity. I may have gotten some of that wrong. It almost makes the STS path appear a bit too attractive from my limited perspective. I imagine that many awake STS entities might feel empowered and encouraged by that knowledge but I guess it makes perfect sense because of free will etc and it can't be any other way. Any other way would negate free will.
What may seem easy is actually fabulously treacherous. Somewhere there's a quote about higher negative densities being like vicious high security prisons. To succeed, one must be outrageously disciplined...gifted, really.
On the other hand, there's another quote that describes those bent that way as being like those who prefer not join the games at the picnic, but would rather search in the darkness for treasures forgotten by others. That much I can certainly relate to myself.
On the third hand, the bad-boy path is based upon a scheme which evades the healthy functioning of the heart chakra and this means that there is a constant over-compensating one has to put up with. All in all, it's probably easier to be balanced.
(02-08-2010, 10:05 PM)PEA1010 Wrote: It also seems odd to me that a negatively polarized entity can graduate to higher densities while entities that are between the balance of STS and STO ie; those who haven't commited themselves one way or the other, remain trapped in the cycle of rebirth or 3rd density after harvest. Why aren't the STS entities also trapped in the 3D cycle after harvest? I assume that a lot of this has to do with universal balancing polarities.
Simply put, high degree of polarization = low degree of spiritual inertia. (Energy is energy, "positive" or "negative," they are poles of the same battery, so to speak.) Low spiritual inertia allows for "take off" into the next density.
Having read all that, it still may seem like a weird concept. But, recall that all things things referred to are but portions of Unity. Each conscious entity is capable of 360 degrees of polarized experience. It would be kind of tough to digest that all at once (like enrolling in every university course in a single semester), so most of us choose one course of study at a time. Be advised, if you're going to grow up to be a big, strong 6D entity someday, you're going to need to be well schooled in the beauties of the "left-hand" path so that you can be a proper Higher Self to your various evil incarnations in lower densities.
I hope that clears it all up for you. (If it does, begin worrying now.)
Have fun.
Take care.
~p~
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AppleSeed - 02-12-2010
Hi Paul and all,
This was tough for me too. Himmler got to graduate, and we're back here? But really, Himmler is in a place where I don't want to be, and I don't have to go there. I am where I want to be. I'll be happy to see him when he's a fervent convert...
Justice, fairness, and equality are concepts we can use our free will to manifest. They won't be made manifest for us, at least not in 3d.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Sacred Fool - 02-12-2010
(02-12-2010, 11:05 AM)AppleSeed Wrote: Justice, fairness, and equality are concepts we can use our free will to manifest. They won't be made manifest for us, at least not in 3d.
It's a funny dance, to be sure. Within a couple of years--they say--energies supporting 3D modalities will no longer be coming in to the planetary sphere to support such. Those who come from higher densities are fumbling with those energies. It's kind of like a multi-dimensional Maypole whose weaving pattern we're making and unmaking as things emulsify and congeal,spread and intertwine. It's a fine time to clarify polarity. {I just wish I weren't so darned lazy.}
RE: switching polarities / orientation - PEA1010 - 02-13-2010
These replies are very well explained and presented. Thank you. I really do feel that with help like this I'm starting to get some of the stickier points.
I have been wondering about the nature of existence in negative higher densities. From what has been said here, it isn't pleasant at all. That helped me to understand a little better.
I wonder why an entity would make a conscious decision to pursue such a difficult path. When they say that Aleister Crowley etc. is in a place of healing I'm curious as to exactly what kind of state that is. Would someone like him likely continue on the STS path?
Regards,
Paul
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Sacred Fool - 02-13-2010
(02-13-2010, 01:43 AM)PEA1010 Wrote: I wonder why an entity would make a conscious decision to pusue such a difficult path. When they say that Aleister Crowley etc. is in a place of healing I'm curious as to exactly what kind of state that is. Would someone like him likely continue on the STS path?
Why choose a difficult path? Many reasons. Ever rise to a challenge most others would pass up? There can be a profound experience of engagement in the extreme attempt. Sometimes it feels good to be bad or to feel exalted. Sometimes a being can be knocked so off-balance on this plane that it doesn't realize how distorted it's affections have become, etc., etc.
As for AC, here's my two cents worth: when you have a high powered entity screwing around with high powered energies, much havoc can ensue. If you think that distortions here on this plane are confusing, try amping them up a few notches. If one forces crystalline clarity deliberately into a distorted container and fails to get out of the way when it all melts down, it can, evidently, have serious consequences for one's subtle circuitry. Some things just don't react well together and just because the result is powerful doesn't mean it is salubrious. (I neglected to mention earlier that the dark path can be a bit dangerous.)
It's all good catalyst. However, turning around something I typed above, some things are more fun to read about than to experience.
My impression of a place of healing in the Inner Planes is a kind of psyche ward where inmates are given nurturing catalyst. It might be something like whatever you imagine is 180 degrees opposite of electrocution.
Following recovery, choices about further incarnations can then be made.
Interesting line of inquiry, by the way.
One other thing comes to mind just now. Having examples at hand of what inconceivable horror we are capable of inflicting on ourselves and one another provides us with specific vibrations we can search ourselves for in our quest to encompass all. I wonder how often an entity chooses to indulge in a negative polarity in order to teach others about their own dark capacities? Sounds like a rather indirect path to peace and happiness. But maybe if you have another 2 million years to kill before graduation it might seem like a worthwhile experiment? Not for me to say.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Peregrinus - 02-13-2010
(02-13-2010, 01:43 AM)PEA1010 Wrote: I wonder why an entity would make a conscious decision to pursue such a difficult path. When they say that Aleister Crowley etc. is in a place of healing I'm curious as to exactly what kind of state that is. Would someone like him likely continue on the STS path?
Speaking of this place is physical 3rd density terms is not easy but I will do my best.
Think of this place as that nice warm cozy bed where you get to go when you feel miserable. There is no manifest reality or physicality attached to this "place". It is a place of peace, solitude, and quiet, where the entity may reflect upon and come to terms with the incarnate experience. This is a place where one desires to be, and is not imposed. The entity is loved, cherished, and greatly supported through this process by many other entities.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - βαθμιαίος - 02-13-2010
(02-13-2010, 01:43 AM)PEA1010 Wrote: I wonder why an entity would make a conscious decision to pursue such a difficult path. When they say that Aleister Crowley etc. is in a place of healing I'm curious as to exactly what kind of state that is. Would someone like him likely continue on the STS path?
Just a correction with regards to Aleister Crowley: Ra said he was positive but spiritually unhealthy.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - PEA1010 - 02-13-2010
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: Sometimes it feels good to be bad or to feel exalted. Sometimes a being can be knocked so off-balance on this plane that it doesn't realize how distorted it's affections have become, etc., etc.
Absolutely... You are making perfect sense and furthering my understanding.
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: It's all good catalyst. However, turning around something I typed above, some things are more fun to read about than to experience.
Yes, catylist is everywhere, even in the smallest things seemingly. What one may see as problematic, another sees as catylist.
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: My impression of a place of healing in the Inner Planes is a kind of psyche ward where inmates are given nurturing catalyst. It might be something like whatever you imagine is 180 degrees opposite of electrocution.
I imagine that I have been in inner planes of healing at some point(s) . I thank "All That Is" for any help I've been given there. It's Love that can't be explained in words, I believe.
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: I wonder how often an entity chooses to indulge in a negative polarity in order to teach others about their own dark capacities? Sounds like a rather indirect path to peace and happiness. But maybe if you have another 2 million years to kill before graduation it might seem like a worthwhile experiment? Not for me to say.
I doubt that it happens very often for the deliberate intent of providing catalyst because I don't think that most entities even consciously think that deeply. Of course, I said "most" because there are certainly some who might have that knowing intent at some point.
(02-13-2010, 12:58 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Think of this place as that nice warm cozy bed where you get to go when you feel miserable. There is no manifest reality or physicality attached to this "place". It is a place of peace, solitude, and quiet, where the entity may reflect upon and come to terms with the incarnate experience. This is a place where one desires to be, and is not imposed. The entity is loved, cherished, and greatly supported through this process by many other entities.
Thanks for your insight. My prayers of healing are with all who are there.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AppleSeed - 02-14-2010
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: One other thing comes to mind just now. Having examples at hand of what inconceivable horror we are capable of inflicting on ourselves and one another provides us with specific vibrations we can search ourselves for in our quest to encompass all. I wonder how often an entity chooses to indulge in a negative polarity in order to teach others about their own dark capacities? Sounds like a rather indirect path to peace and happiness. But maybe if you have another 2 million years to kill before graduation it might seem like a worthwhile experiment? Not for me to say.
In that case you would need to close down the heart, rather than not opening it in the first place, which would be much harder. But really, just as STO can't help but being STS at the same time (if I manage to touch another person they always touch me at least as much), it goes the other way as well, through the very intense learning experiences provided.
So, if you go through something where you witness and suffer some of these inconceivable horrors, and then later find a more solid than ever place of peace and forgiving, and a depth of self-knowledge you wouldn't have reached as quickly with a less intense experience, are you then doing a disservice to those trying to polarize negatively, by recognizing that they did in fact do you a service? It really is a funny dance.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - βαθμιαίος - 02-14-2010
(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: I wonder how often an entity chooses to indulge in a negative polarity in order to teach others about their own dark capacities? Sounds like a rather indirect path to peace and happiness.
I don't think peace and happiness are the goal of an entity like that, but rather the dark picnic of fear, terror, control, humiliation. They teach their students by demonstrating their utter mastery over them -- the teacher/student relationship on the negative path looks to us on the outside like master/slave.
AppleSeed Wrote:are you then doing a disservice to those trying to polarize negatively, by recognizing that they did in fact do you a service?
I think actually you are doing them a service by offering them difficult catalyst. They will have to figure out how to control their reaction to your gratitude or risk depolarization.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AppleSeed - 02-15-2010
(02-14-2010, 11:20 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I think actually you are doing them a service by offering them difficult catalyst. They will have to figure out how to control their reaction to your gratitude or risk depolarization.
Μάλιστα! Of course! What a lovely way of providing difficult catalyst.
But I have a feeling they wouldn't have a hard time controlling their reaction. I guess that's not my problem.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - βαθμιαίος - 02-15-2010
(02-15-2010, 11:48 AM)AppleSeed Wrote: Μάλιστα! Of course! What a lovely way of providing difficult catalyst.
(02-15-2010, 11:48 AM)AppleSeed Wrote: But I have a feeling they wouldn't have a hard time controlling their reaction. I guess that's not my problem.
Well, Ra does imply that the Orion group tends to avoid "close encounters" with wanderers due to the depths of positivity to be encountered.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AnthroHeart - 02-19-2010
What is Μάλιστα?
(02-15-2010, 11:48 AM)AppleSeed Wrote: Μάλιστα! Of course! What a lovely way of providing difficult catalyst.
But I have a feeling they wouldn't have a hard time controlling their reaction. I guess that's not my problem.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Aaron - 02-19-2010
(02-19-2010, 11:22 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What is Μάλιστα?
(02-15-2010, 11:48 AM)AppleSeed Wrote: Μάλιστα! Of course! What a lovely way of providing difficult catalyst.
But I have a feeling they wouldn't have a hard time controlling their reaction. I guess that's not my problem.
I would take a wild guess and say "Eureka!" in its original Greek?
RE: switching polarities / orientation - βαθμιαίος - 02-19-2010
(02-19-2010, 11:22 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What is Μάλιστα?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt?ei=UTF-8&doit=done&fr=bf-res&intl=1&tt=urltext&trtext=%CE%9C%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1&lp=el_en&btnTrTxt=Translate
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Aaron - 02-19-2010
(02-19-2010, 03:43 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(02-19-2010, 11:22 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What is Μάλιστα?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt?ei=UTF-8&doit=done&fr=bf-res&intl=1&tt=urltext&trtext=%CE%9C%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1&lp=el_en&btnTrTxt=Translate
Eureka still kind of works.
lol!
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AppleSeed - 02-19-2010
(02-19-2010, 04:09 PM)Aaron Wrote:(02-19-2010, 03:43 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(02-19-2010, 11:22 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What is Μάλιστα?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt?ei=UTF-8&doit=done&fr=bf-res&intl=1&tt=urltext&trtext=%CE%9C%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1&lp=el_en&btnTrTxt=Translate
Eureka still kind of works.
Of course!
RE: switching polarities / orientation - thefool - 02-21-2010
(02-08-2010, 10:05 PM)PEA1010 Wrote: Greetings..., I came upon the LOO material recently (I'm still studying) and have a 2-part query / curiosity that keeps challenging me. It's likely something that is addressed in the Ra material but I haven't read it all yet. I appreciate any feedback and apologize for asking what may seem like a stupid question.
Why does it seem so easy for a negatively polarized STS entity to A) progress all the way to 6th density and B) ultimately switch polarity instantly from 6th density negative to 6th density positive? I understand that all entities must eventually assume 6th density positive orientation as our higher selves exist in 6th density positive and resist 6th density negative polarity. I may have gotten some of that wrong. It almost makes the STS path appear a bit too attractive from my limited perspective. I imagine that many awake STS entities might feel empowered and encouraged by that knowledge but I guess it makes perfect sense because of free will etc. and it can't be any other way. Any other way would negate free will.
It also seems odd to me that a negatively polarized entity can graduate to higher densities while entities that are between the balance of STS and STO ie; those who haven't commited themselves one way or the other, remain trapped in the cycle of rebirth or 3rd density after harvest. Why aren't the STS entities also trapped in the 3D cycle after harvest? I assume that a lot of this has to do with universal balancing polarities.
Thanks for you patience....
Regards,
Paul
Both the paths are equally hard. Both of the paths are equally valid. Both are a way to serve the one infinite creator. STO is not higher than STS. For STS you need a 95% purity while for STO you need more than 50% purity of polarization. STS is not easy by any stretch of imagination. It is one of the very hard path full of will power and determination and bloody pursuit at all costs. You have no love and feeling of well being on this road. just fear, struggle, isolation and lack of any harmony.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - Sacred Fool - 02-22-2010
(02-14-2010, 10:05 AM)AppleSeed Wrote:(02-13-2010, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: One other thing comes to mind just now. Having examples at hand of what inconceivable horror we are capable of inflicting on ourselves and one another provides us with specific vibrations we can search ourselves for in our quest to encompass all. I wonder how often an entity chooses to indulge in a negative polarity in order to teach others about their own dark capacities? Sounds like a rather indirect path to peace and happiness. But maybe if you have another 2 million years to kill before graduation it might seem like a worthwhile experiment? Not for me to say.
In that case you would need to close down the heart, rather than not opening it in the first place, which would be much harder. But really, just as STO can't help but being STS at the same time (if I manage to touch another person they always touch me at least as much), it goes the other way as well, through the very intense learning experiences provided.
So, if you go through something where you witness and suffer some of these inconceivable horrors, and then later find a more solid than ever place of peace and forgiving, and a depth of self-knowledge you wouldn't have reached as quickly with a less intense experience, are you then doing a disservice to those trying to polarize negatively, by recognizing that they did in fact do you a service? It really is a funny dance.
As I understand and perceive it, in the end, one is thereby doing the work of the Creatrix in the sense that encompassing/accepting the whole of creation within one's consciousness is the pathway to the Density of Foreverness.
RE: switching polarities / orientation - zanny - 02-22-2010
Welcome PEA1010,
Once again I find many wonderful posts have followed your question...I will add my two cents for what it's worth...
Although it may be a little off topic as my mind is known to wander.
I often have a strange take on things so disregard if this does not resonate with you...I have ever slowly along my path come to realize that the "negative greeting" or negative path is simply I on a parallel path...
I believe I am currently on both paths…To me this is the only thing that makes sense…To be complete I must experience both.
There is no such thing (my view) as STS/STO this is realized (according to Ra) in 6th density. When all paradoxes are resolved.
I am most at peace when I simply look at the greeter as an aspect of me showing itself for the purposes of this resolution. When I exhibit fear as a result of “negative greeting” I am showing a deep seated fear of something within me that I want to hide or is not pleasant to look upon.
I have asked myself in my darkest moments…
“What can be hidden from the Creator?”
The answer is of course nothing. So my follow up question is…
“Did the creator create all that is?”
Yes. And then…
“Do I believe the Creator loves unconditionally.” yes.
Then I ask myself… “What’s to fear -I am Loved.” (as Carla says-warts and all)
This is simple but powerful and works for me.
Love and Blessings-
zanny
RE: switching polarities / orientation - PEA1010 - 02-22-2010
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting....
RE: switching polarities / orientation - AppleSeed - 02-22-2010
(02-22-2010, 06:29 AM)peregrine Wrote: As I understand and perceive it, in the end, one is thereby doing the work of the Creatrix in the sense that encompassing/accepting the whole of creation within one's consciousness is the pathway to the Density of Foreverness.
Acceptance of the parts of the one which love cannot or will not reach is a worthy challenge within the one.