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social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
A few months back I saw this documentary on superorganisms. In this particular episode they charted and studied, in several created experiments, the behaviour patterns of wood ants, the individual, a portion of the colony and the collective. Later on they compared this swarm intelligence with the behaviour patterns, in the same created experiments, of various animals like rats, dogs and bonobo's. And it showed that the swarm intelligence, in these created experiments, was similar to the behaviour patterns of bonobo's. Now Ra states that a social memory complex is properly a fourth-density phenomenon and that a third-density social memory complex is quite rare. So could I assume that a swarm intelligence can't be considered a social memory complex because second-density life lacks self-awareness?
Quote:11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?
Ra: I am Ra. A mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. The group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then becomes known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. The advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.
Is the group memory the same thing as the racial mind? So if Earth were to form a social memory complex, would this complex then be formed in time/space and only include native Earthlings or also entities from Mars, Maldek et cetera? And I guess since a lot of bring4th forum members suspect they are wanderers and so might already belong to a social memory complex, but what about the relationships a wanderer builds in this third-density experience. Can it be that simple, after you've met your part of the agreement here on Earth and are allowed to go home, to just turn your back on the loved ones you've gained? I just wonder if there are wanderers that stick around despite one's home vibration or level of evolution.
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
Scott Mandelker said that social memory complexes also share a mind with other social memory complexes.
RE: social memory complex - Sacred Fool - 04-17-2014
Biologists say that such amazing and seemingly intelligent behavior is the result of a few simple rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZuWbX-CyE
This is a fascinating lecture "Emergence and Complexity" by Robt. Sapolsky, MacArthur Award winning Stanford prof.
RE: social memory complex - Ankh - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 09:30 AM)sunnysideup Wrote: And I guess since a lot of bring4th forum members suspect they are wanderers and so might already belong to a social memory complex, but what about the relationships a wanderer builds in this third-density experience. Can it be that simple, after you've met your part of the agreement here on Earth and are allowed to go home, to just turn your back on the loved ones you've gained? I just wonder if there are wanderers that stick around despite one's home vibration or level of evolution.
I would stick around no matter my home vibration!! I've been missing my spiritual family, or social memory complex, to the point of being in intense pain. But even if I miss them so much, I wouldn't leave those who are dear and near here, and stick around as long as they would have me!
What about you?
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
I hope my mom is from the same social memory complex, or at least she is of some complex, because I wouldn't want to leave her behind either. But if she has to repeat 3D, I don't think I could handle that.
RE: social memory complex - zenmaster - 04-17-2014
Swarm behaviour is unconscious and/or instinctual. 2nd density life lacks the consciousness of self awareness. 3rd density may have self awareness but lack sufficient individuation (still dependent on the collective unconscious for catalyst). In order to be part of a group consciousness, sufficient consciousness of self must have been actualized which provides conscious access to the group mind.
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
Quote:This is a fascinating lecture "Emergence and Complexity" by Robt. Sapolsky, MacArthur Award winning Stanford prof.
Thanks for the link, Peregrine. I wonder if those rules would also apply to the Siphonophorae like the Portugese man o' war.
Quote:What about you?
I don't have that distinct feeling of missing a social memory complex. I do miss my loved ones that have passed and I do really love planet Earth, so I guess I'll stick around should I be wanderer.
Quote:But if she has to repeat 3D, I don't think I could handle that.
Maybe it would then be possible for you to join her and repeat 3D, although that probably be on a different planet.
Quote:Swarm behaviour is unconscious and/or instinctual. 2nd density life lacks the consciousness of self awareness. 3rd density may have self awareness but lack sufficient individuation (still dependent on the collective unconscious for catalyst). In order to be part of a group consciousness, sufficient consciousness of self must have been actualized which provides conscious access to the group mind.
Thanks for clarifying, zenmaster. But I'm not quite sure if you see the group mind and the racial mind as one and the same thing. And what do you mean by sufficient consciousness of self, would this be a balanced individual?
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 02:48 PM)sunnysideup Wrote:Quote:But if she has to repeat 3D, I don't think I could handle that.
Maybe it would then be possible for you to join her and repeat 3D, although that probably be on a different planet.
I can still serve her from my home density, should I graduate. I'll go where the steps of light take me. But depending, my mind might be on a different wavelength when I'm walking the steps. My mom could very well graduate. I don't know how that will go down. Unless the choice not to graduate and stay back with her for another cycle will keep me from graduating. Or let me say this. If I choose to go on and graduate, and she does not, does that choice keep me from graduating because I didn't show love towards her by staying? Or can I still show her love from a higher density? It's so difficult sometimes.
By not handling that I meant I couldn't handle another 3D cycle.
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
If you were to graduate then wouldn't that mean you're a native (or Martian, Maldekean?)
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 03:33 PM)sunnysideup Wrote: If you were to graduate then wouldn't that mean you're a native (or Martian, Maldekean?)
Even wanderers have to graduate to make it back to their home vibration. This means 51% STO.
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
Okay thanks bro I didn't know that. I thought wanderers only had to meet their agreements in order to return home.
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
I read that in Q'uo or some similar channeling that they have to walk the steps of light to their home vibration.
Probably have to meet your agreements too. I only hope that I have.
RE: social memory complex - Ankh - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 03:35 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Even wanderers have to graduate to make it back to their home vibration. This means 51% STO.
I'm not sure about that, Wolf. In my current understanding, wanderers do not have to graduate. They just have to fulfill their agreement, and then they can go home, *unless* they have not acted in a negative way towards another self.
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
But how can, for example, Jesus be in fifth-density considering there was no harvest at the time of his death?
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 03:51 PM)Ankh Wrote:(04-17-2014, 03:35 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Even wanderers have to graduate to make it back to their home vibration. This means 51% STO.
I'm not sure about that, Wolf. In my current understanding, wanderers do not have to graduate. They just have to fulfill their agreement, and then they can go home, *unless* they have not acted in a negative way towards another self.
I was referring to this quote that I found:
Quote:The reason that this applies to the graduation
context is that in that question that was brought by
the one known as J the entities involved felt that, as
wanderers from the fifth density, upon graduating
from Earth’s third density
they would automatically
move back into their home vibration. This is
emphatically not true, and we felt that this is a very
germane point, for all wanderers become Earth
natives when they incarnate. The taking of a physical
body is the taking of the blood, and bone, and the
sinew of the entire human experience. There is no
such thing as a tourist in the body on planet Earth.
All of you have become natives, whatever your
planet or origin or your densities of previous
experience.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2000/2000_0416.pdf
Quote:If an entity is able to enjoy and use the light of
fifth density or sixth density, the entity may, indeed,
move back into that home vibration.
Ra says that we are wrapped in our home density vibration, so enjoying and using light of our home vibration should not be that difficult. It should be very enjoyable. Moreso than 3D.
I also posted to this thread:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=8965
RE: social memory complex - Ankh - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 04:00 PM)sunnysideup Wrote: But how can, for example, Jesus be in fifth-density considering there was no harvest at the time of his death?
As I understand it, the harvest was in his home density:
"This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density."
(04-17-2014, 04:16 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(04-17-2014, 03:51 PM)Ankh Wrote:(04-17-2014, 03:35 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Even wanderers have to graduate to make it back to their home vibration. This means 51% STO.
I'm not sure about that, Wolf. In my current understanding, wanderers do not have to graduate. They just have to fulfill their agreement, and then they can go home, *unless* they have not acted in a negative way towards another self.
I was referring to this quote that I found:
Quote:The reason that this applies to the graduation
context is that in that question that was brought by
the one known as J the entities involved felt that, as
wanderers from the fifth density, upon graduating
from Earth’s third density
they would automatically
move back into their home vibration. This is
emphatically not true, and we felt that this is a very
germane point, for all wanderers become Earth
natives when they incarnate. The taking of a physical
body is the taking of the blood, and bone, and the
sinew of the entire human experience. There is no
such thing as a tourist in the body on planet Earth.
All of you have become natives, whatever your
planet or origin or your densities of previous
experience.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2000/2000_0416.pdf
Quote:If an entity is able to enjoy and use the light of
fifth density or sixth density, the entity may, indeed,
move back into that home vibration.
Yes, I know this quote, and we have discussed it before. This quote is why I said "I am not sure about that, Wolf". Considering what is said in the Ra material, my understanding of this issue for now is that a wanderer has already graduated, and does not need to do it again, if it has not become karmically involved. This is what I base this understanding upon:
First of all, Ra says that it is the spirit complex which graduates:
"The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops."
As I understand it, wanderers are third density in their mind/body complexes. The spirit complex remains the same. Therefore, the spirit complex, which has already graduated, does not need to graduate again, unless it has not become karmically involved.
Also, there is another Ra quote where Ra says that once the wanderer has fulfilled its mission in third density, it can go back home, which supports my current understanding that a wanderer does not need to graduate:
"This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration."
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
It would make sense not needing to regraduate again. I agree with you Ankh. I can only hope I am of the density that I think I am. I wonder if we have a strong feeling about it, does that make it true. As the Ra channeling was done in trance, I give it more credence.
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
Quote:As I understand it, the harvest was in his home densityI agree Ankh, that is how I understand it too. Jesus's particular mission being his agreements.
RE: social memory complex - Jeremy - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 11:59 AM)Ankh Wrote:(04-17-2014, 09:30 AM)sunnysideup Wrote: And I guess since a lot of bring4th forum members suspect they are wanderers and so might already belong to a social memory complex, but what about the relationships a wanderer builds in this third-density experience. Can it be that simple, after you've met your part of the agreement here on Earth and are allowed to go home, to just turn your back on the loved ones you've gained? I just wonder if there are wanderers that stick around despite one's home vibration or level of evolution.
I would stick around no matter my home vibration!! I've been missing my spiritual family, or social memory complex, to the point of being in intense pain. But even if I miss them so much, I wouldn't leave those who are dear and near here, and stick around as long as they would have me!
What about you?
Yea I'd have to astral travel and snatch ya back lol.
Anyways, don't forget that when one incarnates, there are an infinite number of agreements made so that preprogrammed catalysts shall occur. I assume that many close people is ones life are already part of the same soul group. How this factors into wanderers though, I'm unsure. I guess it really depends on the reason one requested to be here. If it was to work upon imbalances, I assume such agreements would have been made. If it were to simply be light bringers, I'm insure about.
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 11:59 AM)Ankh Wrote:(04-17-2014, 09:30 AM)sunnysideup Wrote: And I guess since a lot of bring4th forum members suspect they are wanderers and so might already belong to a social memory complex, but what about the relationships a wanderer builds in this third-density experience. Can it be that simple, after you've met your part of the agreement here on Earth and are allowed to go home, to just turn your back on the loved ones you've gained? I just wonder if there are wanderers that stick around despite one's home vibration or level of evolution.
I would stick around no matter my home vibration!! I've been missing my spiritual family, or social memory complex, to the point of being in intense pain. But even if I miss them so much, I wouldn't leave those who are dear and near here, and stick around as long as they would have me!
What about you?
You are admirable Ankh. It would be a hard decision to make. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't think we are turning our backs on them by following our own spiritual evolution. They probably would want to not hold us back. And we can be in service in ways in higher densities that we can't possibly in 3D. And what's the chances of coming across the Ra Material again in another 3D incarnation?
RE: social memory complex - zenmaster - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 02:48 PM)sunnysideup Wrote:I'm seeing group mind as the same as racial mind. And by sufficient consciousness of self, that's sufficiently balanced with respect to societal, yellow-ray catalyst.Quote:Swarm behaviour is unconscious and/or instinctual. 2nd density life lacks the consciousness of self awareness. 3rd density may have self awareness but lack sufficient individuation (still dependent on the collective unconscious for catalyst). In order to be part of a group consciousness, sufficient consciousness of self must have been actualized which provides conscious access to the group mind.
Thanks for clarifying, zenmaster. But I'm not quite sure if you see the group mind and the racial mind as one and the same thing. And what do you mean by sufficient consciousness of self, would this be a balanced individual?
RE: social memory complex - sunnysideup - 04-17-2014
I see, so there seem to be quite a few different racial minds present on Earth. Would a Mars, Maldek or Deneb entity, after graduating, then adopt Earth's racial mind as they won't be able to return to their home vibration/planet?
RE: social memory complex - zenmaster - 04-17-2014
(04-17-2014, 08:06 PM)sunnysideup Wrote: I see, so there seem to be quite a few different racial minds present on Earth. Would a Mars, Maldek or Deneb entity, after graduating, then adopt Earth's racial mind as they won't be able to return to their home vibration/planet?I'd say they retain, rather than adopt. What's lost are not the memories, which are sustained by the group mind, but all the things which are sustained by the yellow-ray planetary vibration such as the valuing memes.
RE: social memory complex - Ankh - 04-18-2014
(04-17-2014, 05:55 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Yea I'd have to astral travel and snatch ya back lol.
Snatch me back where?
Jeremy Wrote:I assume that many close people is ones life are already part of the same soul group.
Probably, but not all of them though. But I think that if the wanderer is from sixth density, it wouldn't matter what social memory complexes people are from or not, cause all are seen as one. Especially if one is approaching the seven density harvest in home vibration, where one becomes one with all, existing in all.
Jeremy Wrote:How this factors into wanderers though, I'm unsure. I guess it really depends on the reason one requested to be here. If it was to work upon imbalances, I assume such agreements would have been made. If it were to simply be light bringers, I'm insure about.
Wasn't the reason to hopefully be those light bringers the foremost reason wanderers offered themselves into these incarnations? I think that the agreements are mostly about the amount of incarnations or time the wanderer agreed upon. If it was for one incarnation, or maybe couple of thousands or hundreds years, as soon as this is done, the wanderer is free to go home, unless, as I've mentioned before, the wanderer doesn't become karmically involved, which might then mean that it becomes sucked into the planetary vibration.
(04-17-2014, 06:05 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: And we can be in service in ways in higher densities that we can't possibly in 3D.
I think that it's the other way around, but that's my personal opinion. I think that we are of more service by incarnating here in 3D space/time than being in time/space or home vibration.
Gemini Wolf Wrote:And what's the chances of coming across the Ra Material again in another 3D incarnation?
Ugh! Don't want to think about... Don't know how well I would make it without this golden source of love/light...
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2014
(04-18-2014, 04:35 AM)Ankh Wrote:Gemini Wolf Wrote:And what's the chances of coming across the Ra Material again in another 3D incarnation?
Ugh! Don't want to think about... Don't know how well I would make it without this golden source of love/light...
Or perhaps we do find it, but that it doesn't resonate with us then. But being wanderers, that's probably not the case. You think the Ra Material, if given the chance, would resonate with most wanderers?
Do you think that other sources such as Oashpe can compare?
RE: social memory complex - Fastidious Emanations - 04-18-2014
Quote:If an entity is able to enjoy and use the light of
fifth density or sixth density, the entity may, indeed,
move back into that home vibration.
TY for explanation, it 'sheds some light on';
Quote:There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great.
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RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2014
(04-18-2014, 10:57 AM)primordial abyss Wrote:Quote:There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great.
edit spelling
Evidently the road of an adept is a dangerous one.
RE: social memory complex - Fastidious Emanations - 04-18-2014
lololol there is/isn't only one path my friend!
RE: social memory complex - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2014
Is every choice a new path?
RE: social memory complex - Ankh - 04-18-2014
(04-18-2014, 09:05 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: You think the Ra Material, if given the chance, would resonate with most wanderers?
No, I don't think so. Ra says it too:
"We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense."
Gemini Wolf Wrote:Do you think that other sources such as Oashpe can compare?
It's different from the Ra material, as everything else too, in my humble opinion. But different people resonate with different sources. And as Ra said: "This information source-beingness does not have uses in the life-experience complex of each of those among your peoples who seek." So, some may resonate with Oahspe, some may resonate with the Bible, some with Quaran, and some with Ra material.