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Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-04-2014 I apologize for the brevity of the OP. I'm pretty much copying and pasting this directly from Notepad. I've been considering the Ra material and his mention of the harvest for about a half year now. As most, if not all of you, I was definitely confused by the seeming contradictions and the little information to go on when Ra referred to the harvest. But I finally feel that I've cracked the shell, as it were. I'm the kind of person that doesn't really rest until I find out the answer to something. I don't believe that in this case I've found out the full answer, but I hope that it is at least a start. Without further adieu, here is my theory based on the material given on the harvest. I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings. As far as the entities that still remain that were born before that harvestable time, I'm not sure if there is some disaster that would eventually wipe them out. That remains to be seen. But I believe that Ra means that at around that time only 3rd and 4th dual bodies are being born. I also believe that when Ra says that all are harvested at that time, Ra simply means that the 3 way split commonly iterated takes effect where, as an example, the 3rd density repeaters are due to continue 3rd density on a planet besides Earth. The expression, all are harvested at this time, is stated in session 6.15 for example. Here's the blurb from that session. It's actually under the category, Third Density. Check it out: Quote:6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles currently? I think that it is possible that this is mentioned as a theory in one of the smaller threads, but I doubt that it has been mentioned in the larger threads. But then again, I admit that I haven't gone through all of the larger threads; just the ones that caught my eye. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - ChickenInSpace - 06-04-2014 I agree. It has been mentioned a few times but I think it's the most accepted stance. Unfortunately information on this forum can be hidden deep inside threads with possibly completely unrelated topics, etc. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Steppingfeet - 06-04-2014 (06-04-2014, 01:07 AM)Lighthead Wrote: I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings. Thanks for attempting to tackle this perpetual puzzle, Lighthead. It's something that's left me scratching my head on more than one occasion. So you speculate that the information may be saying that all entities born around 2011 or thereafter are dual-activated? I imagine that could be true, but, barring dramatic population decrease, that would mean there would need be an exact match between the number of dual-activated entities awaiting incarnation and present birth rates on Earth. Also, if that were true, I would imagine it would precipitate rather sweeping changes in a short time, as a wholly dual-activated demographic of young people would be less likely to perpetuate the patterns of the past, and more likely to begin vibrating fourth-density consciousness. For instance, would there be any child soldiers recruited into African war camps? Would there be less fighting at school and less need for disciplinary action? Would, with a mass of entities vibrating at this level, spoon-bending-esque events become much more common? Would, as this group matured past puberty, a great wave of creative output begin to make its mark? Would, then, the STS structures literally age into oblivion as there are no fresh recruits to fill their ranks and sustain the system? I haven't the foggiest idea how, if at all, things will unfold, but I am cautious about hoping for rapid, system-wide change. A qualifier, though: I write this having watched the most recent Viper-Mountain episode of Game of Thrones, so I'm a bit "glass is half empty" this morning. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-04-2014 (06-04-2014, 10:11 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Also, if that were true, I would imagine it would precipitate rather sweeping changes in a short time, as a wholly dual-activated demographic of young people would be less likely to perpetuate the patterns of the past, and more likely to begin vibrating fourth-density consciousness. After reading this part of your reply, I think that there might not be a disaster eliminating those who are simply 3rd density. I think that those who are 3rd density may simply remain to normalize the increased spiritual influence from the dual bodies. And then from that point the 3rd density people will simply die off. That's my addendum to my OP. I would say that after that the dual bodies would increasingly incarnate in bodies that are more 4th density as Ra mentioned at one point. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Matt1 - 06-04-2014 I don't think everybody after 2011 is dual activity. My theory/understanding is that it will be a gradual event that more and more dual activated people will incarnate. Those of us who are 3rd density will die normally and simply won't reincarnate back on Earth but on another 3rd density planet, probably after some healing time. If i remember correctly that a study was done which suggested that when technology advances population decreases as people don't feel the need to have larger families to look after them when they are older/lose of life because of high mortality rate. etc etc Ra gives the time frame of 100 - 700 years. The rate that things are changing that's a huge amount of time for technology to advance and for dual activated people to incarnate. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-04-2014 (06-04-2014, 01:34 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I don't think everybody after 2011 is dual activity. I appreciate your reply. I'm just trying to reconcile the fact that Ra said that at approx. 2011 there would be a harvest. I almost take it to mean that some portion of the harvest would be complete. I think that there would have to be something significant happening at around that time. Even if the significance of the event were something relatively minor in the grander scheme of things. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - anagogy - 06-04-2014 My current thoughts on this topic is that 2011 simply indicated the time/space opening to intelligent infinity. That is to say, that indicated the time/space opening to the steps of light. "the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour." "17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread? Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are *not* in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest." Note that Ra doesn't say that those who *are* in incarnation would be included in the harvest. To me, this indicates that harvest occurs upon bodily death. In other words, it is a time/space event. "Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate various grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes." It is my opinion that when Ra said, "finishing a cycle of experience", they were referring to a 25,000 cycle. Though, they could have just been referring to a single incarnation life cycle. Also, consider that every time/space is an analog of space/time. Consider the third density cycles of 25,000 years to be the length of the class time. At the end of the class, you are tested (by walking the steps of light of intelligent infinity), and if you pass the test, you go on to the next class, fourth density. So in my opinion, 2011 just marked the end of the third 25,000 year cycle for third density upon our planet. So the next 1000 years marks the time of transition from third to fourth density (Ra estimated the transition being between 100 and 700 years to be most probable). This is the juncture whereby those who die after this point, or who are already discarnate on the third density inner planes, will then have the opportunity to walk the steps of light again. If they still don't make the grade, they will repeat third density but on another third density planet since this one is at the end of its 75,000 year long master cycle, and thus, will cease to be useful for the lower levels of vibration within this density (3rd). The reason being, because, once a planet goes fourth density, the third density layer of vibration becomes tuned by the fourth density layer, and becomes too harmonious for any real third density polarity work to be done. The lighter and more subtle energies control the grosser material. Also, it takes some time for fourth density beings to learn how to maintain the illusion of invisibility to the third density plane, apparently. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-04-2014 Yours is a very interesting reply. It seems that you agree with me and that you are in essence saying that those who die at that time are tested to see where they go. In other words, that third density beings will be gradually siphoned off of this planet. Thanks, and I can tell that you've done a lot of thinking about it. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Jeremy - 06-04-2014 What about wanderers though? I would think that there is still quite the line of wanderers willing and ready to not only assist with the harvest but any last minute work upon their own imbalances. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Siren - 06-04-2014 It would only be natural that as a planetary sphere becomes electromagnetized into a higher vibratory spectrum (a process that takes an extremely short yet variable amount of "time") there would be a period of adaptation or adjustment at a genetic/cellular (and molecular/chemical) level. Hence, the "transitional" body (one foot on 3D, one foot on 4D, so to speak). As the 4th-density or green-ray vibratory spectrum sets in, 3D/4D "dual-activated" bodies will progressively become less and less "dual" and more and more 4th-density proper (especially through the recycling or reincarnative process of death/rebirth—the "old model" gradually falling away in favor of the "new" 4th-density one). It is also my understanding/distortion that there is always a "dual-activated" or "transitional" body whenever a new evolutionary cycle is begun, rather than this being just a 3D-4D anomaly/phenomenon. Let us take the 2nd- to 3rd-density transition for example. Despite the fact that there was an "alien intervention" on this sphere that "interrupted" the natural evolution from the late-2D primate archetype to the 3D "human being," there's still a "missing link" that went extinct, so to speak (even if this is no other than some of the Australopithecus/Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal motifs). I would tentatively suggest this was the transitional or dual-activated 2D/3D body. Once 3rd-density or the yellow-ray vibratory spectrum was fully established in this sphere, the aforementioned dual-activated 2D/3D body grew into disuse and the proper 3D vehicular form complex became the norm. (We could even get into how this transition occurred back when the planet went from 1st to 2nd density, but that's somewhat of a tangential topic and besides the point.) The point is that this same process will occur as this sphere becomes 4th-density electromagnetized. One way or another, the world will be greatly depopulated (from 3rd-density entities) over the next few years due to:
That'll leave a relatively small 4th-density (positive) societal complex on this sphere. PS: Oh, how dare I forget! An honorable mention to our "Grey" friends for helping with the creation of dual-activated bodies of a fairly advanced order (they would call it hybridization) ![]() *** Edit It should also be mentioned that were it not for the "veil of forgetting" in 3rd density, entities would not need to be transplanted to other spheres at the end of the cycle. The positive/negative dichotomy in terms of service/seeking the Creator would not have occurred and those who did not graduate to 4th-density awareness would simply repeat the 3rd-density cycle on the same sphere (much as how 1st- and 2nd-density lifeforms aren't relocated to other planets due to "failure" to graduate—they simply repeat/continue their respective cycles within the same sphere). The only reason why 3D grade-repeaters are transferred elsewhere is for the purposes of preserving the "veil" experiment in effect (which is the great novelty of 3rd density and this entire Creation). Once 4D entities on this planet learn the means of "cloaking" their presence from 3rd-density entities, the yellow-ray cycle will be resumed on this sphere for 3D entities to reincarnate once again alongside ("invisible") 4D entities. Certainly interesting times ahead ![]() RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-04-2014 (06-04-2014, 06:49 PM)Siren Wrote: As the 4th-density or green-ray vibratory spectrum sets in, 3D/4D "dual-activated" bodies will progressively become less and less "dual" and more and more 4th-density proper (especially through the recycling or reincarnative process of death/rebirth—the "old model" gradually falling away in favor of the "new" 4th-density one). Ever since reading the Ra material, I've found the above aspect fascinating. Quote:*** Your above comment is something that I haven't thought of. Very lucid and interesting reply. Thanks! I just think that my head is swimming with all of this information that apparently I wasn't the first one to think of. I was at Wal-Mart today and couldn't help but wonder when I would see a young toddler or baby if they were 3rd and 4th dual activated. We truly do live in some interesting times! RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Ankh - 06-05-2014 (06-04-2014, 01:07 AM)Lighthead Wrote: I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings. As far as the entities that still remain that were born before that harvestable time, I'm not sure if there is some disaster that would eventually wipe them out. That remains to be seen. I believe that you are right. Once the clock strikes the hour, there will indeed be Harvest, and all third density entities will be harvested. First those who are not in incarnation. And then those who are in the incarnation, after they have passed into the larger life so to speak. This must mean then that after the Harvest (*approximately* around 2011-ish, which is Venusian for "right on time"), there should be only those 3/4 dual activated entities who can be incarnated, which is what Ra referred to as the beginning of the transitional period. Then when all third density entities who haven't made their choice are dead, there will be birth of fully activated 4 density bodies through bisexual reproduction, which will end this transitional period. (Let me know if you want me to find quotes of this for further discussion.) And here is the most interesting question, *if* everyone after this Harvest are only 3/4 dual activated: (06-04-2014, 10:11 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: So you speculate that the information may be saying that all entities born around 2011 or thereafter are dual-activated? I had these thoughts too, until I read the book by Dannion Brinkley called "Saved by the light". I believe that he is one of these dual activated entities. What happened to him is that he was working in war/military industry, but then was struck by the lightning, brought into the inner planes and taught how to build "healing centers", then brought back to life in order to begin this work. This is the short story of it. After reading this book, I believe that he is one of those dual activated entities who are here to do this 4D work which Ra mentioned. This work is considered to be a bit "crazy" of course by most third density people. This is so because the free will of third density needs to be preserved. So this progress has to be very slow as long as there are third density people here who have not yet made their choice. But in order to answer your question, it is completely possible for 3/4 dual activated entities to live and work as any third density entity, unpolarized or maybe even a little bit in negative ways, but then maybe there will be a turning point, at which this entity will be taken in one way or another into inner planes, and then brought back in order to start their work. Either way, this work needs to be done very slow as long as there are incarnated entities here who need to make their choice. So maybe most of these entities are just living simple lives where they are beaming their love without anyone ever even noticing them? But that's just my theory. RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - spero - 06-05-2014 harvest occurs after death the point at which harvesting began is earlier than 2012 e.g. 1987 the shift into 4th density occurred around 2012 the shift and the harvest are two separate events or concepts though they are related to one another the reason why the shift date of 2012 is confused with the harvest is because entry into 4th density was to be accompanied with a catastrophic pole-shift due to the build up of negative or disharmonious energies. This would have killed all 3d life resulting in mass involuntary harvest. As it stands, the dramatic pole shift has been averted due to lightening of the planetary vibration in the lead up to the shift in 2012. Rather than one massive catastrophes there instead has been a series of smaller, more manageable catastrophes and life goes. people are free to live out their lives and are harvested on their deaths. everyone born herein is dual-activated even if they dont behave like it. in a hundred years or so there will be no sole 3d entities on the planet and the population will shrink in a natural manner. i imagine around this time the veil will drop away and 4d proper will begin. Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2008/2008_0927.aspx Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2000/2000_0116.aspx Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0902.aspx RE: Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest - Lighthead - 06-05-2014 Wow, thanks for your reply! I didn't even know that information was available on L/L Research. That encourages me to start looking around more. Thanks, again. Edit: This reply is to Spero. |