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[YinYang]

This is why I really don't like attributing polarity to people.

We will have to disagree on this, rva_jeremy, as these just happen to be individuals I have studied intensively. I practically had a whole bookshelf with their books, and the memoirs of their disciples.

But once you slap a label on a person, suddenly there's a kind of inconsistency that emerges if you do anything but treat them as the exemplar of the label.  Human beings are complex and I personally do not feel I occupy the vantage point to see polarity without distortion and bias.

I agree with you on this in everyday life, I don't do it in everyday life. These are not everyday life examples, they were extreme cases. If we reach a point where whistle blowers are silenced, where does that leave us? No one can open their mouths anymore and say "be careful, that person is a master manipulator and deceiver, and here's the evidence."