12-19-2018, 02:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2018, 02:49 PM by redchartreuse.)
(12-09-2018, 10:49 PM)Glow Wrote: In that regard personally I look at the as within, so without, as above, so below parallel of humanity = one self.
We are not fully enlightened(solved for) so the body of us as a totality will also likely carry shadow.
I am not sure that came across right so in another way.
If as an individuated self we are only 60%(which would be high) distortion/shadow/illusion free, that leaves 40% of self carrying varying portions of distortion/shadow/illusion.
I think that I've got the gist of what you are saying. And broadly, I would tend to agree. But then, the question still remains of what this looks like from the soul's perspective.
Perhaps it may be easier to navigate in the context of a little story:
Two souls are sitting next to each other at a juice bar. One soul turns to the other and says, "Wow! I just checked in on one of my incarnations in early 21st century earth, and, holy cow I am so excited at the amount of spiritual growth that has resulted from it."
The second soul turns to the first and says, "Hey you know what, I have an incarnation in early 21st century earth too... lemme check in... hmm it looks like my incarnation has become trapped in the "sinkhole of indifference" and is refusing to grow in any direction."
What might they say next? Is this the outcome they were seeking? And if not, what can be done about the situation? Is it just helpless because "free will"?
(I get that this is a totally speculative conversation, so please don't feel like I am expecting you to come up with a definitive answer.)
Quote:Also consider that darkness is used as catalyst to bring further light, those sleeping some at least may very well be serving a purpose as catalyst to awaken/enlighten the remaining theoretical 40%.
Yes, I have considered that, and it is a good point. However something still does not fully sit right with me about this train of logic.
It is like saying, because lemonade can be made from lemons, one shouldn't be concerned about growing too many lemons.
I find this type of thinking is very pervasive... the roots of it are deep down in my own mind still... but there seems to be this knee-jerk reaction that, since suffering and ignorance can result in growth, this justifies the suffering and ignorance in the first place.
Another analogy. It is as if somebody goes to an organic farmer's market, and selects a bounty of fresh produce with the intention to come home and craft a delicious salad. They then neglect or forget to prepare the salad, and the produce starts to rot. So then, the person decides to ferment it and keep it down in their cellar indefinitely "just in case" one day the fresh food were to run out.
But in reality there is a neverending abundance of fresh food. So while fermenting slightly rotted produce might be a handy "trick" one can perform to turn something "bad" into something "good", in the final analysis, it would likely be more enjoyable, and require much less expenditure of energy, to just go get some more fresh food and recommit to one's original intention.
The original intention was to make a fresh salad.
(And yes, I love fermented foods. Just an analogy.)

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