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    08-22-2020, 02:12 PM
    (08-22-2020, 12:34 PM)Diana Wrote: If there is any truth in this speculation, then there is a bigger picture—one that spans centuries and is part of an ongoing oppression. If we are to evolve into a 4th density society, then one of the attributes would be transparency. It's obvious that all governments are furtive and corrupt to some extent. Do we continue to let these corrupt institutions keep us in the box they maintain for their own purposes? As a Wanderer, one may not care about such an Earthly societal concern, but when one is lied to, does one just roll over and accept it? I suppose one could, if one doesn't want to be involved. Frankly, I don't care to get involved (yet), but on the other hand, I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.

    What do you think you are being lied to about specifically? The government is always lying to us. I don't trust them. I do trust germ theory, however, and I see that the US has death counts that dwarf other countries based upon our lack of basic action to protect us from this virus. Do you think every other government lied to its people as well?

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    (08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding.

    I was wondering the same thing and I was going to ask you to explain it as well. Not because I am a privileged person, but because I just didn't understand your meaning. I couldn't tell by your statement who was being oppressed and why.

    To be honest, my take on allopathic medicine is that, beyond certain acute care cases, the whole system is oppressing us all. As an example, last year my mother was in a hospital because her doctor prescribed a med which caused seizures (or as they termed it, tremors). After months of BS that almost killed her several times (to the point that we had to have someone stay in the room overnight with her to ward off meds and procedures we expressly forbade (the staff would just do things anyway without looking at charts or even the board on the wall), they finally took her off the med we kept insisting was the problem—not because they admitted it was the cause, but furtively like it was an arbitrary decision. She got better. It was evident that they (I mean the doctors) had to cover their asses. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I already did not align with allopathic practices, but this was far worse than I had imagined. There were a few intelligent, thinking people there in the form of nurses, but still, they would do things like feed her pancakes and syrup with a muffin for breakfast and she is diabetic; then when her blood sugar spiked they would give her a shot of insulin; so we had to be there to stop that too. It was a farce of epic proportions.

    I don't trust allopathic medicine, either. But I'm not telling everyone they should get a vaccine, because I don't support that either. I am just baffled that people draw the line at wearing a mask that prevents the spread of germs. We are all reasonable about staying home and not spreading the cold or the flu when we get it, and these things are deadly and don't do the same kind of permanent damage that COVID does. Like I said, maybe it's a placebo. But Ra says that in our society, the training of allopathic doctors is how we train "healers", so on some level we have to accept that this is the will of the collective, and to see the positive alongside the negative.

    The government takes my money (taxes) and spends a lot of it on weaponry and animal agriculture. This oppression is far more troublesome to me than being asked to wear a mask in a public building.


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    (08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.

    The bolded above is part of why so many people are questioning the official narrative. I don't think it's as simple as it may seem on the surface. I, for one, am willing to wear a mask for the sake of others (whether it really works or not), but I am concerned about a corrupt government continuing to erode freedoms. 911 is a good example. Do you think the official narrative was true? If not, then why was it okay to violate rights? And I don't mean something silly like 3 oz. containers on flights. I mean the Patriot Act, which was supposed to expire at the end of 2005 but was reinstated.





    I would like to add another speculation. I don't go out much (never have really), but when I go to the grocery store, I find the experience unsettling (I usually go to Albertsons, Frys or Sprouts). Aside form any protective or health considerations, it is emotionally and mentally disturbing. Not to see a person's face in its entirety seems to create a weird vibe, like we are all suspect of each other. I see people looking at other people with suspicion or something like it their eyes. I can't pinpoint it but it feels very isolating and separating. It's not true of every person, but the general feel is divisive. This all may sound very obvious. But in any case, I have to wonder about the ultimate psychological effects.

    As a thinking person, I do not consider it to be uncaring to speculate on the possible long-term, covert, or opportunistic aspects of the Covid-19 global fallout.

    The three ounces of liquid was an arbitrary example that was meant to call to mind ALL of the freedoms we have given up in the name of protecting each other. I agree that thinking people should consider the effects of this. However, if we had properly responded in the US as other countries had, we wouldn't be experiencing this extremely drawn out, forced mask wearing. We had an opportunity to slow the spread immensely, as other countries did, as a collective effort to protect each other. This is a worldwide pandemic, it doesn't just affect the US, so looking at it through the lens of US government lies or individual liberties or whatever is very short sighted. Do you think that every other country is just full of sheep who will listen to every command of their government, even if it's in their best interests? Or are American's just so easily brainwashed that we are some of the very few who think that wearing a mask is an oppressive front to our personal liberties?

    How we choose to react to this catalyst is upon each of us. It doesn't scare me to only see half of someone's face. What I notice is how much people go out of their way to be kinder or show that they are smiling with their eyes to compensate for the lack of smiles. What I see is people willing to make the (very, very small) sacrifice of wearing a mask to make others feel safe and protected (as you do). Wearing a mask isn't about affirming our own safety, it's about protecting others, and many anti-maskers seem to miss this. What I see is people who are endeavoring to protect the weaker and more vulnerable among us, vs those who are willing to sacrifice the "less than 1%" who will die, so that they can sit at a bar and breathe freely upon each other or go shopping at Costco and pretend that things are "back to normal". What I see is that people who are anti-mask are often in denial, afraid of the reality we have created with our poor choices and poor stewardship of the planet, realizing that their actions could affect others but instead preferring to double down on their individual liberty in the face of being asked to make a sacrifice for the collective wellbeing. What I see is people who refuse to wear a mask are projecting their fears and inability to cope with difficulties upon those who are wearing masks. I'm not afraid, even though I'm technically immunocompromised. I want to take actions that are conducive to healing this sick world we've been contributing to, and to not bury my head in the sand because I'm overwhelmed in the face of all of the difficulties that have presented themselves to deal with. I want to have a positive and constructive effect on my reality, and I want to sacrifice my own personal will in favor of that of the One Infinite Creator who sees all as One. I'm not afraid of being coerced by the government to do things against my will, because I'm aware of the nuance in the situation and I still choose to wear a mask. I understand the motivations of those who refuse to wear the mask, but the motivations are inconsistent and I've yet to see a cohesive argument against mask wearing that wasn't projection of one's own fears of being controlled by others. I trust in the autonomy of my choice and I don't believe that because I'm wearing a mask, that I will submit to mandatory vaccines or chip implants or whatever it is that anti-maskers think is the direct next step. So, my point of view is unique, and nuanced, and I want to understand both sides, but until someone paints a clear picture of why not wearing a mask is objectively better than wearing one, I'm going to challenge them to attempt a rational and non-contradictory explanation. But "I'm afraid of the government so I'm not gonna be afraid of a disease!" is really illogical circular reasoning. This is collective bodily catalyst for the planet and we should react by attempting to address and heal the ailments of the body, in my opinion. Being paranoid about the government's motivations is not a helpful distortion.

    Quote:[41.14]In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

    The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

    However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

    Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.
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