04-20-2020, 04:02 PM
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: I think there are some major differences in our beliefs - while I see the densities as a subset of space and time, I believe you see space and time as a subset of the densities (7 times more space and time than mine?).
No. I see it like you.
I will try to explain my vision on this topic, trying my best to base myself on LOO.
I classify as dimension the same that Ra called sub-density / plane. Within our third density there are 7 sub-densities / planes / dimensions, within each sub-density there are 7 sub-sub-densities / sub-plans / sub-dimensions and so it increases infinitely. These 7 divisions are analogous / representations of the 7 rays and also of the 7 densities. Therefore, the dimensions of the third density are infinite and when I use the term fourth dimension it is as if I were referring to a color. This color itself can be divided into infinite frequencies or infinite tones. I do not classify these sub-densities / planes / dimensions as simply spatial and temporal perceptions. A more precise term is vibratory frequency.
Now, these 7 sub-densities / dimensions / planes are divided into space / time and time / space. In esotericism, this difference is called outer planes and inner plans. I suppose you understand the difference between space / time and time / space.
Space / time is where incarnations take place, catalysis is experienced and lessons are learned. Physically we can consider that this space / time is that whose photons that make up physical matter (since everything that exists is formed by a universal substance, Ra called it Light, the ancients called it Ether or Akasha) vibrate at a speed that approaches the speed of light. That is why physicists say that the borderline speed of the universe is the speed of light. Ra said that when a ship approaches the speed of light it disappears from that reality and temporarily exists in time / space. This is how the slingshot effect works.
Time / space is where healing and revision of an incarnation takes place. Time approaches infinity and that is why time is no longer linear, that is, it is not counted every second, but it can be accessed as a whole. It's like opening any page in a book instead of reading each page sequentially. It is my hypothesis that each plane vibrates faster and faster and therefore is getting closer and closer to zero time or infinite time.
In my view, dimensions 1-3 form the physical plane, while dimensions 4-7 form the inner planes.
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: The statement by Oxal that you quoted seems to point a structure more similar to that of your view. I think this approach is quite consistent as well. However, text such as Ra's reply in 11.4 suggests that we are able to interact with first and second density objects and I conclude from this that we can share the same space with them:
Quote:11.4:
Ra: I am Ra. There is a sphere in the area opposite your sun of a very, very cold nature, but large enough to skew certain statistical figures. This sphere should not properly be called a planet as it is locked in first density.
Yes, I know that part well. As I said, it is only a hypothesis. But we have some clues. First, the 7 sub-divisions of the physical plane are not vibration bands:
Quote:In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.(17.38)
What I can assume at this moment, is that as entities from first to third density live in the same environment, the difference is in the perception and the way in which they can interact with that environment. From the fourth onwards, the environments are different, more subtle and the bodies of the entities are also more subtle than ours. However, I have no idea if 4D entities can see 5D and 6D in the same environment as animals can see us.
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: From the second part of your reply, it looks to me that you have merged the concept of the sub-densities and the dimensionality of space and time together, implying that the first sub-density has sort of only one spatial dimension, which I find it hard to believe. I would agree that from the view of your definition, the first 2 sub-planes would seem to coincide with the first 2 densities. But as the first two densities has also at least 3 spatial dimensions (e.g. planets, elements, plants, animals), there seems to be a contradiction when combining space, time and sub-densities in this manner.
I gave my opinion on this above. Just a detail: taking into account all the literature on the astral plane, it is a fact that on the astral plane a dimension is added. This is one of the reasons why I prefer to consider it as our fourth dimension.
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: While our physical plane is in space/time, according to Ra 21.7 ("These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes"), the inner plane is in time/space, my guess is that they may not even be on adjacent planes. My guess is when people goes to the inner plane, they didn't go to a "higher dimension" but instead moved from space/time to time/space.
Yes, I mentioned that above too.
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: I am not sure what do you mean by linear, do you mean one dimensional as is suggestive in the transcript? My understanding that the inner plane is in time/space where time is 3(6) dimensional and thus may be seen as spherical and is the same for time/space all densities.
Time in time / space is like I said spherical. I would say that it does not make sense to speak in dimensions of time, but of an eternal present.
(04-20-2020, 02:07 PM)keith Wrote: I do not understand the exact meaning of Oxal's description of "Space may be thought of as linear, if time is thought of as volumetric. Or you may reverse the process, as you do within your limitation, and consider space volumetric and time linear." but I interpret this linear definition as a degree-of-freedom concept - analogous to a narrow pipe in 3rd density, one is in 3D space but can only move forward or backward (1 degree of freedom, linear movement). In space/time, my thinking is that time still flows in 3 dimensions but only forward/backward, perhaps in a spherical expansion visually, the additional 2 dimensions allowing the occurrence of all possibilities of events.
I see it too.