05-03-2021, 10:17 AM
I was listening to this one while doing the dishes over the past few days (it was a long one 
) and I really enjoyed it. I remember people talking about spiral dynamics on this forum ages ago but never really looked into it. Seems like an interesting layout of personal and social development. As someone who is interested in history I thought it was very interesting how you could trace the stages through historical periods, but I was wondering if the progression is always forward. It seems to me that there are times when society may have regressed to a previous stage. The Bronze age saw a lot of forward development that may have reached the blue and possibly a little orange stage before the bronze age collapse reverted to red. Similarly the Greek city states and the Roman Empire might be seen as blue with hints of orange as well before the collapse and partition into feudal states. I suppose the same could occur on the individual level?
Also there was some talk about how general Patton could have increased in positive polarization but decreased in harvestability during his lifetime. My personal take on that is that he polarized positively through strong yellow ray work, I think he contributed positively to society by helping defeat the Nazis, but that his heart may have become closed due to hatred of the enemy. An open heart is a requirement for harvest in addition to the 51% positive polarity, is it not?
Anyway, thanks gang and thanks to Doug.
) and I really enjoyed it. I remember people talking about spiral dynamics on this forum ages ago but never really looked into it. Seems like an interesting layout of personal and social development. As someone who is interested in history I thought it was very interesting how you could trace the stages through historical periods, but I was wondering if the progression is always forward. It seems to me that there are times when society may have regressed to a previous stage. The Bronze age saw a lot of forward development that may have reached the blue and possibly a little orange stage before the bronze age collapse reverted to red. Similarly the Greek city states and the Roman Empire might be seen as blue with hints of orange as well before the collapse and partition into feudal states. I suppose the same could occur on the individual level?Also there was some talk about how general Patton could have increased in positive polarization but decreased in harvestability during his lifetime. My personal take on that is that he polarized positively through strong yellow ray work, I think he contributed positively to society by helping defeat the Nazis, but that his heart may have become closed due to hatred of the enemy. An open heart is a requirement for harvest in addition to the 51% positive polarity, is it not?
Anyway, thanks gang and thanks to Doug.
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