Delicate info Regarding Mu, Yahweh and Orion

[unity100]

I'm not sure I compleatly agree with you here, But I'll come along with you.
Is it the place that this fits for you to make the calls you are making now?

place ? the above is not clear.

I somehow feel trying to pick this apart with logic and our limited knowledge from a 3D place a strange endeavour given what you just said.

this 'limited 3d' nonsense gets propagated way too much around.

3d is as limited as its societal mind's conditionings. any mind that is free of those conditionings, is free to receive whatever that is hidden in the subconscious clearer.

anything an entity that has experienced in earlier lifetimes are in its subconscious. this includes all wanderers.

moreover, there are the inseparable connections of the mind going to the roots of mind in a tree like fashion. these connections can never be severed. only veiled.

and, there arent different 'minds'. the mind, is something called mind. its same everywhere. what creates the difference in between the manifestations of different densities' entities in regard to capabilities is the quality and level of resultant combined product of mind, body, spirit - the 'significator'.

a 6d entity, with already strong connections to all of these, would not have too much difficulty in understanding a lot.

actually, even 3d entities that havent lived in 4d yet, would be able to understand a lot apparently, since these info in Ra material was intended for the ones among them with serious seeking.

and, atlanteans and others were given even more information, in 3d.

it is wrong to be limiting oneself by saying 'but who are we to' or 'is it our place'.

if you make it so that its not your place to know, then you make it so.

Again, I’m not totally with you here.
See my issue is - what if part of my existence here gives me a sniff of that 'somewhere else’ enough for me to know it's there and it's every bit as real as this.
Would that not be enough let me consider what it's like outside the box for a mo.

according to what we are told, the multiple existences of a mind/body/spirit totality combine in 7d. and, the more balanced an entity (the totality in this context) the less need to experience parallel realities in parallel universes.

so, in short, you are you, here in this universe manifesting as an entity. you are one face of the totality you belong to in 7d. there are other pieces in other universes, exploring different realities. you are all connected through the 7d totality, all of you together consisting that totality itself.

there is naturally connection, and you can see glimpses or whatnot and even other realities.

but, that doesnt make you, one face of the totality, all of that totality itself.

this is what im saying.

I'm not really sure I understand you here tbh.
I'd imagine there would be some fairly intense experience living in a place like that..... I'm not sure 'thrill' is appropriate, but if I felt that I could bring something useful to a place like that then why not try.
Just like some people chose to work as medics in rapid response units.

what im saying is, for something to happen, there has to be suitable, or at least, acceptable conditions allowing for it to happen.

ie, you can successfully complete a chess match with an opponent while standing in balance on a thin rope 200 m high over the ground.

but, it is much more logical to do the chess match on the ground, properly.

similarly, for any experience to happen, there has to be minimum proper conditions allowing for it to happen.

noone can experience a 4d society complex on a 3d planet that hasnt moved to supporting 4d yet, for example.

in the same direction, it is not logical to manifest 3d experiences under conditions of impending total destruction. the 3d experience will be dominated with the impending possible total destruction and its relevant characteristics.

If I'm not mistaken the quarantine is more to prevent further external influence rather than the guardians influence.

'the other guardians felt that what yahweh was doing was infringing upon the free will of the ....' <- what Ra says.

Right here on earth there are entities destroying habitat all the time. It's not logical - not smart yet it happens.

2d entities or 3d entities destroying their habitat is one thing, 3d entities being given nuclear bombs is another.

My context was that you judged these entities to be unstable.
What I ment was that that is your judgment.... not something I'd be happy to make myself.
I can't help that I look outside the box at this - I just do. Like I mentioned in the other thread I don't feel I'm in a place to judge anything but my own actions.

the component of existence you name as 'judging', is an indispensable component. it was always there and always be there.

i feel like this 'dont judge' concept is rather a phenomenon in american culture. 'dont be judgmental', 'not my place to judge', this that. i dont see it in other cultures much. i think it is a result of trying to make a lot of different cultures and inclinations, philosophies, religions, live together. understandable.

however, its not logical. it seems it is a practice that leads people to choose to ignore differences and hence accomplish harmony that way.

i dont think that can work. ignored difference, ignored problem, is, just ignored. it will be there and keep affecting things.

what's being called 'judging' here, is analyzing and understanding the nature of entities. it doesnt make the process any different, or 'evil', if the object of that analyzing an understanding the nature of something, is an entity.

Why?

I'm probably going to regret asking this, but hey ho.... What situation?

'what situation' ??! really, are you asking this ?

Why/How do you suggest they should have stopped them?

the first attempt to have entities from mars get more advanced, capable bodies than their peers, should have not been allowed in the first place.

What do you see as the result?

results of these actions will probably echo continually until all the effects have been negated. it will not stop here, and now. it will involve mainly martian entities and yahweh.

thankfully at least during the last few thousand years nearing harvest time, quarantine was tightened and more of the same did not happen.

but i dont know whether what has transpired here due to yahweh's actions and martians' actions, in regard to other entities from other planetary spheres, will stay here or will keep echoing through their future experiences.

it was best to do anything they can, and stop the existential 'karma' here. but, their last major blunder was just 2600 years ago. it is highly possible that, they havent learned what they had to learn yet, since progress is not something that happens in a flash in higher density existence.

[@ndy]

Unity- The top part we seem to be going around in circles from what we both have said I think we both pretty much agree here.

I guess where I'm coming from is that this isn't a race. I don't see a big hurry for everyone to be harvested, if people want and require more 3d catalyst then that's fine.

I think we possibly agree on the view of judging - if it is regard to analyzing and understanding.
Too me being non judgmental doesn’t mean being in denial of blind to differences - it means accepting them.

I'm with Ali here rather than denial I accept personal responsibility - I embrace my humanness with the capacity to love or hate, to share or be selfish, brave/scared to create or destroy.
When things are wrong in the world I feel personal responsibility for that too I try to imagine what people were experiencing for that to have happened.

Like was mentioned in the other thread what is now humanity is a mix of entities from all over all learning here together, and when they move on they will move on together.
Again here I think we will have to agree to differ as personally I feel for the ups and downs this is a very rich experience that is improving. Yes calls may have been made that didn't go to plan - but I agree with there are no mistakes only opportunities.

[unity100]

my concern is with wisdom. i want entities to understand what is going on, so, they will know that 'if this and this is done, that happens'. instead of going around making mistakes and having to accept the result of their mistakes and take responsibility.

[Ali Quadir]

I think part of the problem of the identification of various races and influences to a 3d entity is that the 3d entity doesn't understand that these are different parts of himself. So he will as he always does look for those parts that are wrong, which will almost invariantly be found outside of himself, and then judge and blame those parts of himself. There are no mistakes, only from the perception of a human, and these perceptions are illusory.

Ok, so people/aliens are mean to you... It's your own fault. Take responsibility. Maybe it sounds harsh, but I don't think putting blame is in any way intelligent or compassionate.

The belief in a cosmic mistake is in my opinion a throwback to the dogma of the traditional religions. It is in effect the original sin all over again. Only this time it's not a snake, it's a reptile or zeta, who threw us into sin and suffering.

The reptiles zeta's or whatever race we identify as the culprit are here because we invited them. Our path is bound to their path at least for this bit.

I can hear people screaming everyday that they are not themselves because someone is suppressing their ability to manifest in the way they feel they should.

If they're not themselves, who are they? You'd recognize an old school aristocrat even in a prison or labor camp. So these people who are not themselves are choosing not to be themselves, by not choosing to be themselves.

If life is as short as a lightning flash, at least make it equally bright. No excuses. In the end since we are creators of our universe, and co-creators of the shared universe, this will put us back in power. The path of blame and victimhood always takes our power away.

Even when you're clearly the victim.. When you "clearly" did "not" cause the problem. Take responsibility anyway. Taking responsibility is choosing power, playing the victim is choosing weakness.

[unity100]

I think part of the problem of the identification of various races and influences to a 3d entity is that the 3d entity doesn't understand that these are different parts of himself. So he will as he always does look for those parts that are wrong, which will almost invariantly be found outside of himself, and then judge and blame those parts of himself. There are no mistakes, only from the perception of a human, and these perceptions are illusory.

the reality you are invested in, is 'illusory'. there is no other separate 'reality' than this.

you, as an entity, is a complex combination and construct of various vibrations that come from the same sea with everyone else. the sea, is always there, and everyone is part of that sea.

if, the complex combination of vibrations that construct 'you' from that sea gets destroyed, you get destroyed. your 'reality' ends.

'oh but its just an illusion' -> that illusion is the 'reality' that is known. there is no other reality than that.

Ok, so people/aliens are mean to you... It's your own fault. Take responsibility. Maybe it sounds harsh, but I don't think putting blame is in any way intelligent or compassionate.

its not harsh. its illogical.

if a robber comes and robs you, its robber's fault. robber is the one who committed an act and caused harm.

'but you left yourself wide open' -> doesnt matter, still robber is at fault. someone being wide open does not mean that its ok to rob him/her.

The belief in a cosmic mistake is in my opinion a throwback to the dogma of the traditional religions. It is in effect the original sin all over again. Only this time it's not a snake, it's a reptile or zeta, who threw us into sin and suffering.

traditional religions ?

cause<=>effect relationship is the basis of this entire reality. without it, nothing will happen. any cause is an effect and any effect is a cause and it ripples, until its stopped.

it doesnt have anything to do with traditional religions.

The reptiles zeta's or whatever race we identify as the culprit are here because we invited them. Our path is bound to their path at least for this bit.

'invited them'. and how did that happen. in case one remember's Ra's words, 'orion group invites themselves to conquest'.

If life is as short as a lightning flash, at least make it equally bright. No excuses. In the end since we are creators of our universe, and co-creators of the shared universe, this will put us back in power. The path of blame and victimhood always takes our power away.

that 'end' may come with you being totally destroyed in a nuclear blast in between various groups warring each other.

Even when you're clearly the victim.. When you "clearly" did "not" cause the problem. Take responsibility anyway. Taking responsibility is choosing power, playing the victim is choosing weakness.

yes, lets do that. so that, the existence becomes more imbalanced because entities start up taking the responsibility for what OTHER entities have done, more and more entities get affected to go negative.

its no different than saying to a child who burned down the house 'oh, you did it, but its not your fault honey, its mine'.

[@ndy]

my concern is with wisdom. i want entities to understand what is going on, so, they will know that 'if this and this is done, that happens'. instead of going around making mistakes and having to accept the result of their mistakes and take responsibility.

I can understand that I'm just wondering if entities are always in a place were they are ready too learn from errors in the judgment of others?

Fundamentally we learn from our own experience - A child learning to walk, it doesn’t matter how many bumped heads and splats it picks it's self up and with determination keeps going till it gets it right.

Is one of the reasons for the veil here so that entities are free to make new choices’ and learn from them?

[zenmaster]

Even when you're clearly the victim.. When you "clearly" did "not" cause the problem. Take responsibility anyway. Taking responsibility is choosing power, playing the victim is choosing weakness.

I agree that playing the victim is definitely not taking responsibility. On the other hand, being completely responsible for the unethical behavior of another is obviously not always a straightforward task. I think most people stop at forgiveness, if they can get that far, because they lack the understanding required to be an ethical surrogate.

[unity100]

I can understand that I'm just wondering if entities are always in a place were they are ready too learn from errors in the judgment of others?

yes.

'if you hit someone on the head with a club, you may kill him/her'.

Is one of the reasons for the veil here so that entities are free to make new choices’ and learn from them?

the veil's objective is to 'mystify' the subconscious. so that there will be an incentive to penetrate it and go forward. not to totally block it.

total blocking of subconscious from conscious would render an entity unable to do anything coherent. it wouldnt be a functional entity anymore.

[Ali Quadir]

Even when you're clearly the victim.. When you "clearly" did "not" cause the problem. Take responsibility anyway. Taking responsibility is choosing power, playing the victim is choosing weakness.

I agree that playing the victim is definitely not taking responsibility. On the other hand, being completely responsible for the unethical behavior of another is obviously not always a straightforward task. I think most people stop at forgiveness, if they can get that far, because they lack the understanding required to be an ethical surrogate.

The understanding of people isn't really relevant I think. Right now, even though we're not understanding, we're still suffering. Some people call that the nature of reality. Other people call that choice. Whether the choice is conscious subconscious or biological is irrelevant. We came here, we chose this body and this is it's understanding.

Bottom line is that we in 3d often don't have total insight, which is why we do not realize how to escape a situation. Most situations require only relatively little additional insight.

But here's the crux... What will be created if a creator is in the state of fatalism and fear? Right... Only things to fear and unavoidable destinies. If them has any agenda it is furthered by teaching us to be fearful and respectful of their power...

They have no power. The mechanisms are in place to balance out the influence over the earth. This is a true free will zone... I've got 5 middle fingers for them and that's just the left hand.

All the people who are fearful of the NWO, the lizards and what not.. All their radio shows and stories only serve one thing. As the drum to which the rest of the slaves can march.

So yes... It's US...

[@ndy]

yes.

'if you hit someone on the head with a club, you may kill him/her'.

I don't see in black/white like that so I'll respectfully disagree with you here.

the veil's objective is to 'mystify' the subconscious. so that there will be an incentive to penetrate it and go forward. not to totally block it.

September 27, 2008 Q'uo

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your question, my brother. First of all, the reason for the veil of forgetting is that it is only within the innocence of unknowing that one may choose one’s path in utter free will. There were third densities in which more knowledge of past and future was included in the template of the human consciousness. However, those third densities tended to be inefficient in preparing entities for the choice of service to self or service to others.
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It may seem illogical to block out the knowledge of what has come before in terms of being well-informed as to making decisions, yet the purpose of incarnation in third density is not to be well informed, but to be uninformed; not to feel the oneness with all but to experience the catalyst of seeming isolation, so that one will organize the self, one will get to know the self, one will gather experience and begin creating a system of personal ethics that makes sense in the here and now not having to do with what has gone before.

There are other similar quotes - along the lines of the veil helps with not knowing so that entitys are free to chose.

When you say 'my concern is with wisdom. i want entities to understand what is going on,'

I'm not trying to be confrontational here I'm just wondering why you 'want' other entities to understand.
Is that not infringing on that entities path of discovery?

[unity100]

yes.

'if you hit someone on the head with a club, you may kill him/her'.

I don't see in black/white like that so I'll respectfully disagree with you here.

there are blacks and whites on which the existence manifests itself. they are rules set for existence to manifest. cause -> effect. this cant be changed. its not a perceptive or an emotional or gray area matter. you may initiate a cause, and this may initiate an effect. you may choose to interpret and accept this effect in a million ways possible. but, the fact that a cause has created a certain x effect, wont change.

the veil's objective is to 'mystify' the subconscious. so that there will be an incentive to penetrate it and go forward. not to totally block it.

September 27, 2008 Q'uo

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your question, my brother. First of all, the reason for the veil of forgetting is that it is only within the innocence of unknowing that one may choose one’s path in utter free will. There were third densities in which more knowledge of past and future was included in the template of the human consciousness. However, those third densities tended to be inefficient in preparing entities for the choice of service to self or service to others.
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It may seem illogical to block out the knowledge of what has come before in terms of being well-informed as to making decisions, yet the purpose of incarnation in third density is not to be well informed, but to be uninformed; not to feel the oneness with all but to experience the catalyst of seeming isolation, so that one will organize the self, one will get to know the self, one will gather experience and begin creating a system of personal ethics that makes sense in the here and now not having to do with what has gone before.

There are other similar quotes - along the lines of the veil helps with not knowing so that entitys are free to chose.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#20

79.20 Questioner: The first change made then for this extension of free will was to make the communication between the Matrix and the Potentiator of the Mind relatively unavailable one to the other during the incarnation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We would perhaps rather term the condition as relatively more mystery-filled than relatively unavailable.

When you say 'my concern is with wisdom. i want entities to understand what is going on,'

I'm not trying to be confrontational here I'm just wondering why you 'want' other entities to understand.
Is that not infringing on that entities path of discovery?

there exist more than 1 entity in existence, in order for entities to interact with each other. else, nothing happens. this includes learning, teaching, and its derivatives. each entity produces interactions and relays information to other selves, through any given channel (which include the deep connections to the roots of mind) so that all entities learn together and proceed.

it doesnt happen alone. it never happened alone, it will never happen alone.

everyone holds from a corner of the weight and lifts it, so that the phenomenal weight to be lifted, gets actually lifted. that is a responsibility. and it may also be an honor. ra says so, yet, ive yet to see that honor.

anyway.

it seems there is a lot of issues with interpretation of free will and discovery. some people are interpreting it as if if someone relays some information to someone else, it will be an infringement.

that is beyond logical. then everything happening in this existence is infringement.

im not even going to go into the fact that, an entity which wouldnt be seeking such information, wouldnt be here in this forum. its as simple as that.

[Monica]

But here's the crux... What will be created if a creator is in the state of fatalism and fear? Right... Only things to fear and unavoidable destinies.

This statement illustrates what I was trying to convey. If we are in agreement that an entity (a creator) can create based on its state of consciousness; ie. if in a state of fear and fatalism, would create a reality based on fear and fatalism, then, what if we are now dwelling in such a reality?

What if our present 3D experience was created by us, collectively, and we are now reaping what we sowed? We're reaping a world teetering on the brink of disaster...not just one possible disaster, but multiple possible disasters...What if the violence in this world is the end result of such a creative process?

If our present moment creates our future moments, then our past moments created our present moments.

Thus, wouldn't it behoove us to learn from our past and our present, in order to create a more harmonious future?

That's what I see this entire discussion as being about. It has been suggested that delving into the wisdom of decisions made in 6D is tantamount to being a victim.

It can be. Or it might not be. It all depends on what one decides to do with that knowledge.

Just understanding more about decisions made in 6D doesn't make one a victim. It's what we decide to do about it, that determines that.

If we take this information and become angry, resentful, and bitter, because Yahweh et al made mistakes, then we are allowing ourselves to be victims, and will actually attract more of the same in our future. It becomes a vicious cycle of repeating the same patterns.

Hey wait, could it be possible that this is what happened before? Maybe the entities who blew up their planet got themselves into such a state of fear that they are now repeating the same pattern. How many times has it all happened before? What will it take for them to wake up and break the cycle?

I'm reminded of the TNG Star Trek episode in which the Enterprise was locked in a loop, and kept repeating the same outcome: total destruction of the ship, because they kept making the same decision each time. Until, finally, Data realizes it and programs a clue into his positronic brain, which gets activated in the next cycle, and he convinces Captain Picard to make a different decision - a decision that seems foolish but is what saves the ship and breaks the pattern of destruction.

So yes, if we get caught up in the fear, if we become paranoid about reptilians running the planet, etc. we are just perpetuating the cycle.

BUT, what if our eyes are opened? WHAT IF this conversation, right now, is that clue, such as what Data programmed? What if, by realizing that we had a role to play in creating this reality, and we make the decision to break the vicious cycle by making different decisions next time, we are able to truly become co-creators in a totally new experience, a reality without the underlying dynamic of violence? WHAT IF we realized, with a sudden, powerful insight, that future 3D realities can be fertile ground for the evolution of souls, and might even have heavy veils, but without the necessity for extreme violence?

If we realized these things, and took steps to program our consciousnesses, the way Data programmed his, are we then succumbing to a victim mentality?

Or are we actually halting the vicious cycle of victim/abuser?

It seems to me that, by taking responsibility to the degree that we are willing to examine these actions, not with judgment but with discernment, we aren't becoming victims. Rather, we are becoming empowered.

We are taking seriously the power that lies within us. We realize, with stark clarity, just how much suffering can result from creating realities based on fear, violence and conquest. And we can become empowered as find new ways to create environments that facilitate evolution, but without so much pain.

I am reminded of an experience I had shortly after my son was born. It was an extremely difficult birth and we both almost died. When he was a toddler, I thought I was pregnant, and I wasn't ready to take on another child yet. I still needed healing from my traumatic experience, and just wasn't ready yet.

I was extremely distraught. What were my options? It's not my intention to bring up a highly volatile topic, but it's obvious what my 'choices' were.

NEITHER option was acceptable to me. I was NOT willing to terminate the pregnancy. That simply was not something I could or would do.

But neither was I willing to have another baby, so close to the first child.

I prayed earnestly for a solution. I reached out to the little entity who was hanging around, desiring to incarnate. And suddenly I felt such a sense of empowerment! I realized, as though the mud was being wiped from my eyes, that I had the power to create a third option! That what I really wanted, was to delay the pregnancy until a time when my husband and I were ready. NOT end the pregnancy. Just delay it.

Physically, this wasn't possible. But metaphysically, all things are possible.

The little soul hanging around understood, and withdrew her conscious building of her new physical vehicle. I did nothing. I took no action. But within a couple of hours, I was no longer pregnant.

This experience was very profound for me. I later learned that this is a magickal principle: When it seems that we have only 2 options, and neither is acceptable, we use our magickal power, fueled by our free will, to create a third option. THAT, imo, is creating in the true sense of the word!

I think this concept can apply here, in multiple ways:

1. By realizing that is isn't simply a choice between being a victim and ignoring the mistakes that Ra tells us were made. There is a 3rd option: That of examining those 'mistakes' and learning from them, with a sense of empowerment rather than feeling victimized.

2. As we learn from these cosmic events, we don't have to choose between bitterness/anger/resentment and fear/apathy. There is a 3rd option: View the events with eyes wide open, without glossing over them as irrelevant or inconsequential, yet with love/forgiveness/compassion for those (ourselves) who made those mistakes. Just learning from the mistakes won't cut it. We must also forgive those who made the mistakes, because forgiveness breaks the cycle of karma. Regardless of whether the events were viewed as mistakes by Ra or Yahweh or whoever, since we are all ONE, that means we still attracted the events, on some level of our being. This also means we can start attracting different events, different futures, with our current choices. But those choices must be made with forgiveness, if we want to break the cycle of karma. As I see it, the key here is to be able to look at these events with stark clarity, rather than glossing over them. There is no empowerment in denying the mistakes. But by taking responsibility for at least acknowledging them, and learning from them, we can resolve to make different choices if/when we are even in such situations, and this is empowering. The difference between being a victim and being empowered is the choice to forgive, whether it's ourselves or the perceived abuser.

3. We're in 3D and therefore have very little understanding of the mechanisms of 6D, aside from what Ra has given us and what we are able to perceive on our own. But, it seems reasonable to me to assume that any info Ra gave us, must have some useful application, or Ra wouldn't have given us that info. Look at how many times Ra declined to answer Don's question. When Ra did answer the question, it must have been deemed relevant; else Ra would have noted, as a disclaimer, their reservations about answering the question, by stating that it was transitory info. Ra told us of decisions made by themselves and by Yahweh that were perceived as mistakes by them. I see no point in denying those mistakes and assuming that we have nothing to do with them. It seems to me that, if Ra deemed it worthy to tell us of these things, then there is something potentially of value to us. Therefore, what is that value? Perhaps that is our task: to find the value in these bits of information. Is it just a history lesson? Or is there something for us to learn? What can we possibly learn from events that happened millennia ago, by beings whose realities we cannot even begin to imagine? Well, here is a proposed answer to that question: Very soon, many of us will be returning to our home densities. Is it possible that part of our mission here as Wanderers, in addition to radiating light, was to feel what it's like to be on the receiving end of those decisions? What if, very soon, we will be in the position of making similar decisions? What will happen to the souls who are still choosing violence, who don't graduate? We are told by Q'uo that they will be escorted to another 3D planet, where they can continue their 3D experience. Well, has anyone else noticed the obvious?? Are the guardians going to repeat the same pattern again? Will the souls who are, right now, trying to kill one another, be gathered up and plunked down on the same planet again? Only to repeat the same cycle, again? Will we be called to Wander over to their planet again? Will we be having this same conversation 75,000 years from now, on some other planet, once again on the brink of destruction? Do you see where I'm going with this? Maybe, just maybe, there is a reason Ra gave us these little tidbits of info. Maybe they are clues, like the clue Data programmed in the Star Trek episode. Maybe, just maybe, it is our task to choose differently next time. Maybe we don't have to choose between inefficient catalyst and extreme pain/suffering/violence. Maybe there is a 3rd option: that of efficient catalyst without such extreme risk of violence. Maybe it's up to us to find it/create it.

[unity100]

a 'creating our own reality' approach in that level ignores the other creators which are also creating the collective reality.

ie, you may desire to create a certain reality x of freedom, but, external entities may be wanting to create a reality of slavery on your planet. if, they are stronger than you in any way, if they are allowed, they come and create that reality eventually.

a given entity x may have free will and creative power, but there are infinite other entities which have the same amounts of the same.

[Monica]

a 'creating our own reality' approach in that level ignores the other creators which are also creating the collective reality.

Without getting into a tangent about the nature of holographic realities, I'll say, for now, that I meant collectively creating a consensual reality.

[Aaron]

a 'creating our own reality' approach in that level ignores the other creators which are also creating the collective reality.

ie, you may desire to create a certain reality x of freedom, but, external entities may be wanting to create a reality of slavery on your planet. if, they are stronger than you in any way, if they are allowed, they come and create that reality eventually.

a given entity x may have free will and creative power, but there are infinite other entities which have the same amounts of the same.

Co-creation happens from the sixth density part of yourself. Anytime you enter into a state of conscious co-creation, your higher self is in communication with the other higher selves who are involved in your creation. It may seem a paradox from here in third density that you're able to seemingly co-create against someone else's will. But from the sixth density level, where all paradoxes are resolved, it was already set up to happen.

The co-creation of a peaceful planet without slavery is completely possible if it's desired strongly enough by enough entities who are consciously co-creating in that direction, even though there are entities who's wills are bent towards slavery here. If peace were to suddenly blossom here on earth, it would be because communication took place at a sixth density level, where the peacemakers and the slavedrivers are consciously understood to be one. It's just about letting the "divine plan" come into place rather than limiting one's self because one sees that other entities desire slavery.

[Monica]

Co-creation happens from the sixth density part of yourself. Anytime you enter into a state of conscious co-creation, your higher self is in communication with the other higher selves who are involved in your creation. It may seem a paradox from here in third density that you're able to seemingly co-create against someone else's will. But from the sixth density level, where all paradoxes are resolved, it was already set up to happen.

The co-creation of a peaceful planet without slavery is completely possible if it's desired strongly enough by enough entities who are consciously co-creating in that direction,

Exactly!! Well said!

This is precisely why I think this conversation has merit, and why I can understand the interest in bringing this issue to the attention of other-selves, who might in turn be interested in working together to start co-creating such a reality.

[unity100]

a 'creating our own reality' approach in that level ignores the other creators which are also creating the collective reality.

ie, you may desire to create a certain reality x of freedom, but, external entities may be wanting to create a reality of slavery on your planet. if, they are stronger than you in any way, if they are allowed, they come and create that reality eventually.

a given entity x may have free will and creative power, but there are infinite other entities which have the same amounts of the same.

Co-creation happens from the sixth density part of yourself. Anytime you enter into a state of conscious co-creation, your higher self is in communication with the other higher selves who are involved in your creation. It may seem a paradox from here in third density that you're able to seemingly co-create against someone else's will. But from the sixth density level, where all paradoxes are resolved, it was already set up to happen.

The co-creation of a peaceful planet without slavery is completely possible if it's desired strongly enough by enough entities who are consciously co-creating in that direction, even though there are entities who's wills are bent towards slavery here. If peace were to suddenly blossom here on earth, it would be because communication took place at a sixth density level, where the peacemakers and the slavedrivers are consciously understood to be one. It's just about letting the "divine plan" come into place rather than limiting one's self because one sees that other entities desire slavery.

i have just seen that post.

there is no limit set in Ra material for cocreation. 5d entity is called a co creator.

all entities (mind/body/spirit complexes) manifesting on this planet in 3d were called sublogoi by Ra, in the q/as about the logos-sublogos relatioships .

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#9

'yourselves' meaning, the incarnates on the planet, are considered sublogoi that the planet has given birth to.

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http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

[Aaron]

i have just seen that post.

there is no limit set in Ra material for cocreation. 5d entity is called a co creator.

all entities (mind/body/spirit complexes) manifesting on this planet in 3d were called sublogoi by Ra, in the q/as about the logos-sublogos relatioships .

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#9

'yourselves' meaning, the incarnates on the planet, are considered sublogoi that the planet has given birth to.

..............

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

Yes, all entities are co-creators in the sense that they create a part of the universe by existing, no matter what density they're in. But my previous post was detailing the process of conscious co-creation. That's a different process, as it takes a more evolved entity. I'm sorry if I missed the meaning of your reply.

[unity100]

ra calls 5d entities co-creators as such.

[Aaron]

ra calls 5d entities co-creators as such.

I took a look in the links you provided and couldn't find where Ra speaks of 5th density and co-creation together. It's also not present on the collection of 5th density related material page: http://lawofone.info/results.php?categor...&sc=1&ss=1

Could you quote the exact passages you're referring to?

I could see how 5th density could be the density where conscious co-creation is grasped, coming to a point of mastery in 6th density with the aid of unity consciousness. This is just speculation based on intuition, however.

[unity100]

ra calls 5d entities co-creators as such.

I took a look in the links you provided and couldn't find where Ra speaks of 5th density and co-creation together. It's also not present on the collection of 5th density related material page: http://lawofone.info/results.php?categor...&sc=1&ss=1

Could you quote the exact passages you're referring to?

I could see how 5th density could be the density where conscious co-creation is grasped, coming to a point of mastery in 6th density with the aid of unity consciousness. This is just speculation based on intuition, however.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

41.24 Questioner: Why are the red, yellow, and blue energy centers called primary centers? I think from previous material I understand this, but is there some tracing of these primary colors back to intelligent infinity more profound than what you have given us?

Ra: I am Ra. We cannot say what may seem profound to an entity. The red, yellow, and blue rays are primary because they signify activity of a primary nature.

Red ray is the foundation; orange ray the movement towards yellow ray which is the ray of self-awareness and interaction. Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another.

The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves. The blue ray entity is a co-Creator. This may perhaps simply be a restatement of previous activity, but if you consider the function of the Logos as representative of the Infinite Creator in effectuating the knowing of the Creator by the Creator you may perhaps see the steps by which this may be accomplished.

May we ask for one final full question before we leave this working?

[Aaron]

Ahh, I see. Thank you! I had read that before, but it's been just long enough for it to have slipped away to the fringes of my memories.

If blue ray is the first ray of independent radiation of self, it makes sense that this is the density in which conscious co-creation takes place. However, just like many other activities, I don't think co-creation is limited to a certain density. Just like how you can take "college courses" in high school, you're not at the real deal yet, but the activity is available. I think we also find a hint in the fact that Ra says the "first" ray of independent radiation of self rather than the "only" ray of independent radiation of self.

[Ankh]

I need to ask this stupid question to make sure that I understand: Yahweh, who once were the Guardians, incarnated on Earth 3600 years ago and started to have sexual intercourse with humans to make a new breed, called Anak (who were taller and stronger then an average Earth man)?

[Ankh]

I need to ask this stupid question to make sure that I understand: Yahweh, who once were the Guardians, incarnated on Earth 3600 years ago and started to have sexual intercourse with humans to make a new breed, called Anak (who were taller and stronger then an average Earth man)?

Anyone who would like to answer?

[Wander-Man]

I need to ask this stupid question to make sure that I understand: Yahweh, who once were the Guardians, incarnated on Earth 3600 years ago and started to have sexual intercourse with humans to make a new breed, called Anak (who were taller and stronger then an average Earth man)?

Anyone who would like to answer?

Pretty much. I wouldn't call them Guardians though. I'd leave that title for the 7D guys chillin around Saturn. They made sweet love to the Anak to create half giants I think, or just tall people? Anyways, it wasn't a very good idea because Orions implanted thoughts of elitism.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=18&ss=1#14

[Wander-Man]

Curious to know what you think about that answer :idea:

[unity100]

I need to ask this stupid question to make sure that I understand: Yahweh, who once were the Guardians, incarnated on Earth 3600 years ago and started to have sexual intercourse with humans to make a new breed, called Anak (who were taller and stronger then an average Earth man)?

Anyone who would like to answer?

Pretty much. I wouldn't call them Guardians though. I'd leave that title for the 7D guys chillin around Saturn. They made sweet love to the Anak to create half giants I think, or just tall people? Anyways, it wasn't a very good idea because Orions implanted thoughts of elitism.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=18&ss=1#14

the guardians in saturn rings are not probably of 7d. they may be higher.

they werent the one who involved in genetic modifications on the planet, including anak incident. those who did it, were the society complex yahweh, which was then quarantined by the guardians you speak of.

[Wander-Man]

I need to ask this stupid question to make sure that I understand: Yahweh, who once were the Guardians, incarnated on Earth 3600 years ago and started to have sexual intercourse with humans to make a new breed, called Anak (who were taller and stronger then an average Earth man)?

Anyone who would like to answer?

Pretty much. I wouldn't call them Guardians though. I'd leave that title for the 7D guys chillin around Saturn. They made sweet love to the Anak to create half giants I think, or just tall people? Anyways, it wasn't a very good idea because Orions implanted thoughts of elitism.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=18&ss=1#14

the guardians in saturn rings are not probably of 7d. they may be higher.

they werent the one who involved in genetic modifications on the planet, including anak incident. those who did it, were the society complex yahweh, which was then quarantined by the guardians you speak of.

right - they could be higher, like from the next octave. i'll have to look into that

[Ankh]

the guardians in saturn rings are not probably of 7d. they may be higher.

they werent the one who involved in genetic modifications on the planet, including anak incident. those who did it, were the society complex yahweh, which was then quarantined by the guardians you speak of.

But at that time when Anak and genetic modifications were maid were Yahweh Guardians? Not the Council of Nine at Saturn, but those 26 (?) Guardians who were in charge of this planet and Mars, who were under the Council?

[unity100]

the guardian word seems to be being used in numerous places. the entities guarding this planet's quarantine is named guardians. the ones in saturn rings are called council of nine. i kinda remember guardian word being used for those who come from the octave too.

and also guardian word was used for yahweh, during their excerpt about mars subject. but, the guardian word is not used anymore when talking about yahweh and earth. and it is said that what they did was seen as an infringement by other guardians and they were quarantined.

this suggests that there are guardians that are tending different planets. one's guardian doesnt seem like other's.

and then there's the question of the guardians who patrol the energy net of this planet, for quarantine.

all apparently are governed by council in saturn rings.