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    Thread: The Enchantment or, (Zen of no Zen)


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    #31
    03-16-2021, 11:18 AM
    (03-16-2021, 11:02 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: ...
    I will dedicate some time and start reading the books. Time, the Fourth Dimension. Did you know time does not exist? It is an illusion. Another illusion sent from the God(s). The God(s) are devious Beings. When it is my time to become a God, I will make changes. Why does that sound like a political speech?

    The illusion of time is a useful tool for us at this time. Wink

    I figured you might like to see my notes on the cosmology of the Law of One.

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    Summary of the cosmology from the Ra material.

    1) The first known thing in creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

    2) Infinity became aware (intelligent infinity).

    3) Intelligent Infinity became aware of the concept of free will.

    4) It realized It was even free to consider the idea of many-ness, that is, more than one. Free will immediately gives rise to many-ness.

    5) Intelligent Infinity decided to explore this idea.  In so doing Intelligent Infinity became the Creator.

    6) The 1st distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the 2nd distortion the Creative Principle or Love. (Love may be seen as the type of energy of an extremely high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in a particular way. All Love emanates from the Oneness.)

    7) Love uses Its intelligent energy to create a certain pattern of illusions or densities in order to satisfy Its own intelligent estimate of a method of knowing itself.

    8) This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these 3 distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being any more important than another.

    9) Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration thus is free to continue infinitely into an eternal present.

    Here is a nice explanation of it all from our current perspective in 3d.
    (09-07-2012, 09:23 AM)Raz Wrote: I believe that the result is there; we experience it as the "future attractor". This reality is like an equation or prequel, designed to create a deeper understanding of that result.
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    03-16-2021, 02:29 PM
    I watched, (yet) another interesting video on YouTube. Putting forward the supposition that the Universe itself is intelligent. Meaning, there is no actual Godly figure, but the Universe is a living entity. Which is the mainstream belief of various cultures worldwide and stretching into Zen and Shinto. Shinto has remained an untouched subject. The argument was, just because a rock is seen as to not having any self-awareness, (as we know it). Who is to say that a rock has a different interpretation of Reality than we do. Is a rock self-aware? The same thesis could be taken to the next level, in plants, trees and the lower life-forms. What is self-awareness? So, if everything has a state of awareness, it could spread on a micro to a macro level. As above, so below. Your witness councillor. Peace Brother.

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    #33
    03-16-2021, 04:58 PM (This post was last modified: 03-16-2021, 04:59 PM by flofrog.)
    From Ra Session 3.8

    Quote:Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.
    This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

    With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rock-ness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

    Wink
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    03-16-2021, 06:36 PM
    (03-16-2021, 04:58 PM)flofrog Wrote: From Ra Session 3.8


    Quote:Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.
    This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

    With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rock-ness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

    Wink

    How do you define "Everything"? Everything simultaneously, everywhere, in the moment? That is how you describe it logically and logistically. Then intellectual Mind gets in the way, and Intuition is pushed aside. We must stop thinking in Intellect. When I studied Zen, my teacher said, observe everything in Still Mind, allow the Intuition to flow. The "Great Mind" is not Intellectual. The Pure State of Mind is Mindless. It is, (therefore), it is, and without concept and delusion. When you stop searching for the answer, you will find it. It is standing in front of you, (laughing in hysterical laughter because we cannot see it). The God(s) are Magicians playing tricks with our Minds. I am waiting for a God to appear out of a Magician's hat. Rabbits are too easy. The Great Illusionist. Or, perhaps the Great Delusion hidden behind the Magician's cape. Beware of slight of hand performed by the God(s). Sometimes I can be too philosophical, it will be my downfall. Peace. I hope I have not confused you?
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    #35
    03-16-2021, 10:20 PM
    If all that assaults the senses is illusion, and the thoughts, images and inner senses are illusion as well, what else is left?

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    03-16-2021, 10:24 PM (This post was last modified: 03-16-2021, 10:25 PM by Ymarsakar.)
    Replaying the game for fun. This time we'll get to the ending.

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    03-17-2021, 12:29 AM
    (03-16-2021, 10:20 PM)Spaced Wrote: If all that assaults the senses is illusion, and the thoughts, images and inner senses are illusion as well, what else is left?

    What is left after you put off the Virtual Reality Headset?
    The memory / data about having such experience.

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    #38
    03-17-2021, 12:56 AM
    (03-16-2021, 10:20 PM)Spaced Wrote: If all that assaults the senses is illusion, and the thoughts, images and inner senses are illusion as well, what else is left?

    Within you is the answer to this question.  The answer is not a thing to be named, but an intensely inclusive experience of consciousness-as-self.  (But you knew that.)

       
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    #39
    03-17-2021, 07:46 AM
    (03-14-2021, 06:38 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:
    (03-14-2021, 06:21 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: It was not a stage achieved. More like remembered. The ego mind seeks evidence and data to prove the wuwu works. Therr are ways to produce this proof for the ego. The ego then willingly submits if it truly believes this power is inherited by the human.

    Several minutes is good. The neutral state requires power and security which leads to trust or faith. To achieve something tells the ego you do not have it.

    I love being in the Neutral State. There are times when I have been in the, (somewhere), and return with a thought. The thought almost feels alien and a different entity. The Ego can be overcome? Once we accept the Universal Nature. and a part of it. The empowerment begins when we observe Reality as an "Overseer" and not the participant. Observation is everything because we then can watch the Ego. A way of overcoming that is to avoid words like I, Me, Myself, and see the body as the vehicle.

    We need to find a new word to describe lower man besides the word Ego. Even Ra would agree.

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    03-17-2021, 08:38 AM (This post was last modified: 03-17-2021, 08:40 AM by Ymarsakar.)
    The ego is a set of software routines designed to run in this dark matrix simulated reality or VR construct.

    Thus it can be considered the lower body, the lower dantien, the root solar and sacral chakras. It is the brain operating at the spinal and lower back region. Reflexes, muscle memory, etc etc.

    Without an ego, one would be pretty much non functional here, like comatose.

    Carl Jung and Tarot described the ego in the various archetypes. But this info is veiled. The Hero's Journey is a very easy way to understand how the ego tells a story.
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    03-17-2021, 10:00 AM
    (03-17-2021, 08:38 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: The ego is a set of software routines designed to run in this dark matrix simulated reality or VR construct.

    Thus it can be considered the lower body, the lower dantien, the root solar and sacral chakras. It is the brain operating at the spinal and lower back region. Reflexes, muscle memory, etc etc.

    Without an ego, one would be pretty much non functional here, like comatose.

    Carl Jung and Tarot described the ego in the various archetypes. But this info is veiled. The Hero's Journey is a very easy way to understand how the ego tells a story.

    The "Awakening" is a "Consciousness Reboot". or a "Consciousness Upgrade". Are the God(s), rebooting Humanity? The God(s) are mysterious Beings. They have become bored with their creation and have grown weary of their company. Bringing Mankind to a higher state of consciousness brings us closer to the Godhead. One day. the God(s) will become old and decrepit and will need to be replaced. Are we not the evolutionary replacement of the God(s)? One day Brahma will need to retire, has he not been here for, (myriads), billions of years? Time is cruel, (even to the God(s)). Even the God(s) cannot overcome time. Beware of false God(s). Or, those God(s) who have not matured enough to rule the Universe. They are the devious kind. I shall go unto the wilderness and create new God(s).

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    #42
    03-17-2021, 12:00 PM
    (03-17-2021, 12:29 AM)jafar Wrote:
    (03-16-2021, 10:20 PM)Spaced Wrote: If all that assaults the senses is illusion, and the thoughts, images and inner senses are illusion as well, what else is left?

    What is left after you put off the Virtual Reality Headset?
    The memory / data about having such experience.

    What you are saying, (in other words), is the description in Zen. It is the "I know that I know". An unconscious knowing which cannot be described in Intellectual Mind. Probing is not enough, it is accepting the inevitable. The Void within the Void. The Unseen within the Unseen. A concept of Pure Nothingness.
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    03-17-2021, 04:20 PM
    (03-16-2021, 10:47 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:
    (03-15-2021, 11:59 PM)Brandon Gwinn Wrote: to  me(IMO) zen is a realization of the One spanning the initial practice of living with an intellectual awareness of absolute unity in each moment upon basic enlightenment on to  the achievement  of final and  total reunification and dissolution within the infinite all. The  One,  IMO, is not a realization,  it's just  objective reality. i could be wrong, but those are my  thoughts.

    What it comes down to is the, (proverbial), "Nutshell". We are all seeking Liberation, in one form, (or another). Of God(s) and Man. Zen is an elusive beast, that is like an untamed animal. When you think you have found it in the bushes, it is suddenly appears behind you, (and laughing). When you think you understand the Reality of Zen, you realize how ignorant you are. Zen is a pinnacle that has to be climbed, and when you reach the summit, there is another pinnacle in front of you. When I was studying Zen, I was taught not to look with Intellectual Mind, because that is a false perspective. The only way to understand Zen is with Intuitive Mind. Most people in the West find Zen difficult because we are observing it incorrectly. Zen is not what it is, but what Zen is not. I saw a good quote a few days ago. "Zen is the unseen of the unseen".

    i think what you're talking about is due to the infinite nature of the One. You could say that the source of zen is infinity.  and  like u said about zen, infinity can't  truly  be grasped or comprehended by  the  mind, except that infinity is unity, and unity is the One.
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    #44
    03-17-2021, 04:22 PM
    (03-17-2021, 04:20 PM)Brandon Gwinn Wrote: and  like u said about zen, infinity can't  truly  be grasped or comprehended by  the  mind, except that infinity is unity, and unity is the One.

    Exactly Wink
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    03-17-2021, 04:27 PM
    i should have  said in my first post not an intellectual awareness but  an intuitive awareness, or just simple awareness. And not just a realization, but also the experience.

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    03-17-2021, 05:03 PM
    (03-17-2021, 04:27 PM)Brandon Gwinn Wrote: i should have  said in my first post not an intellectual awareness but  an intuitive awareness, or just simple awareness. And not just a realization, but also the experience.

    Hi Brandon. Basically, we are all trying to crack a walnut with a chainsaw. That which is easy to understand becomes a stumbling block, and we trip over the obvious. The solution, is to simply accept AS IT IS. Mind has delusions of Grandeur in that it must find answers to something it cannot understand. Meanwhile creativity can be seen a Path to the infinite. Delusion and breaking down the component parts. Instead of trying to compare Zen and the ONE as two separate entities, observe them as one in two different guises. There are infinite possibilities from a single entity. The three hundred million aspects of Brahma, (and/or), three hundred million interpretations of the single Brahma. Yet, every interpretation is correct and absolute. Today I destroyed a thousand walnuts, when I should had simply used a nutcracker. The forbidden fruit laid hidden inside and uneaten. I love metaphors.
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    03-19-2021, 05:33 PM
    (03-16-2021, 10:21 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:
    (03-15-2021, 09:07 PM)Raukura Waihaha Wrote: Maori believe that the only perfect thing, is nothing.
    No thought, no experience, no manifestation.
    It seems that the original thought is what we are. The manifestation of nothing, creating contrast.

    I have had an interest in Maori and Australian Aboriginal Philosophy. In the past, I lived in Canada, and I got to know some of the First Nation interpretation of Reality. As with the major World Religions, there is also an underlying theme in Aboriginal, (the Races not the Australians), philosophy. Even the Australian Aboriginals believe that the God(s) came down from the sky and taught them Dreamtime. Why is it, the more we go deeper into the subject, the connections become closer and closer? ALL IS ONE, and ONE IS ALL? As the Buddha said, when you stop looking, you will find it.
    Lemuria included NZ and Australia.
    The dreamtime may have been Lemuria?
    A time when we were more aware of our connection to source.
    My elders told me that we were spirits who became more physical, over time. It was a descent into physicality but originally we existed here as spirit complexes.

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    03-19-2021, 08:01 PM
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    Think about in binary/AC terms (either/or 1 and/or 0); in comparison with quantum/probability/possibility spectrum terms (either/and 1 and/or 0).

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