Why? Why? Why?
01-12-2015, 06:47 PM,
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
I think the answer to all these questions is "Because Stone Cold Said So"
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01-12-2015, 06:52 PM,
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(01-12-2015, 06:37 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?

Not in the least. If one wants to pursue such questions, by all means have at it. If we are to believe that the Ra Material is in fact accurate, I would think a statement as paramount as that would definitely be heeded.

But don't you or anyone find it strange why none of the questions can be answered? All hypothesizing regarding anything beyond this realm is just that, hypothesis. Don't you think these questions along with exponentially more like it have already been asked yet no one can actually answer them with any shred of proof or facts? I believe the reason is that we are not ready for such answers just as Ra mentioned. There's a reason why the veil is in place. It prevents us from becoming distracted by transient subjects instead of focusing upon what we are here to do which is help and serve others. All other higher density subjects truly cannot be comprehended if the veil indeed exists because we are attempting to interpret a subject while still behind the veil and our personal distortions/biases.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade anyone so please don't take it that way. I mean, if we are here to discuss living the ways of the Law of One, I would think actually following what they have given would be lesson number 1 no?

Wrong, they can be answered, the answers given just may not be satisfactory. This can be true even is the answer is "the truth". Just because a question isn't answered to satisfaction doesn't mean the truth hasn't actually been glimpsed.

Edit: Also, they do repeatedly state that what they say is not to be taken at face value and each should discern for themselves.
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01-12-2015, 06:59 PM,
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01-12-2015, 07:04 PM,
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I am enjoying all of your unique perspective oh so much, thank you all
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01-12-2015, 08:02 PM,
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
In my opinion, all seeking for Truth beyond the confines of third-density illusion is spiritually healthy, because it by definition acknowledges the existence of a deeper Truth. Whether or not there is an answer is a secondary consideration.

The primary exception to this occurs if the seeking is ego-motivated, i.e., the desire to prove one's beliefs correct, acquire spiritual powers to use for one's own benefit, etc.
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01-12-2015, 08:58 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-12-2015, 09:18 PM by Minyatur. Edit Reason: added a part )
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
(01-12-2015, 06:37 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?

Not in the least. If one wants to pursue such questions, by all means have at it. If we are to believe that the Ra Material is in fact accurate, I would think a statement as paramount as that would definitely be heeded.

But don't you or anyone find it strange why none of the questions can be answered? All hypothesizing regarding anything beyond this realm is just that, hypothesis. Don't you think these questions along with exponentially more like it have already been asked yet no one can actually answer them with any shred of proof or facts? I believe the reason is that we are not ready for such answers just as Ra mentioned. There's a reason why the veil is in place. It prevents us from becoming distracted by transient subjects instead of focusing upon what we are here to do which is help and serve others. All other higher density subjects truly cannot be comprehended if the veil indeed exists because we are attempting to interpret a subject while still behind the veil and our personal distortions/biases.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade anyone so please don't take it that way. I mean, if we are here to discuss living the ways of the Law of One, I would think actually following what they have given would be lesson number 1 no?

I interpreted that as that those were lessons of upper density and that 3D needs to learn it lessons and feel the need of the lessons of 4D. He also says that Wanderers are mostly of 6D and that they are stuck in their growth and then Wander to learn lessons and teach lessons. I don't think Wandering is solely about service to others, each Wanderer probably has his own reasons for Wandering. I feel that the Veil can be used to rethink some paradoxes which were considered as solved from a new 3D perspective. By growing myself I hope to become better in my STO, we all have our own harvests afterall.

I do not think this is something important for me to teach to others in general, what most people need is light and love and to grow in understanding of one another. On the other hand I feel these are the lessons that are for my own self and which can be discussed between Wanderers. I'm not looking for an absolute truth, I'm looking for a way of seeing things which will resonate with what I need to learn. Words are nothing but words of course, what I seek is a feeling which words could trigger.

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01-12-2015, 10:52 PM,
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
(01-12-2015, 06:52 PM)Unbound Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:37 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?

Not in the least. If one wants to pursue such questions, by all means have at it. If we are to believe that the Ra Material is in fact accurate, I would think a statement as paramount as that would definitely be heeded.

But don't you or anyone find it strange why none of the questions can be answered? All hypothesizing regarding anything beyond this realm is just that, hypothesis. Don't you think these questions along with exponentially more like it have already been asked yet no one can actually answer them with any shred of proof or facts? I believe the reason is that we are not ready for such answers just as Ra mentioned. There's a reason why the veil is in place. It prevents us from becoming distracted by transient subjects instead of focusing upon what we are here to do which is help and serve others. All other higher density subjects truly cannot be comprehended if the veil indeed exists because we are attempting to interpret a subject while still behind the veil and our personal distortions/biases.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade anyone so please don't take it that way. I mean, if we are here to discuss living the ways of the Law of One, I would think actually following what they have given would be lesson number 1 no?

Wrong, they can be answered, the answers given just may not be satisfactory. This can be true even is the answer is "the truth". Just because a question isn't answered to satisfaction doesn't mean the truth hasn't actually been glimpsed.

Edit: Also, they do repeatedly state that what they say is not to be taken at face value and each should discern for themselves.

Come on brother. I have, admittedly, come a long way in terms of what I can swallow relative to metaphysical subjects but such questions like the OP can hardly qualify as a question that can be definitively answered. Just like the multitude of questions posed by Gemini. Such questions haven't been answered with any type of verifiable information. Sure, one may consult their guides and higher self for questions pertaining to ones path and so forth but transient questions such as the OP along with questions not pertaining to ones life path such as questions about higher densities have yet to be answered definitively on here as far as what I've seen.

It's one of the few reasons why I've become so quiet on this forum. From my perspective, people have veered away from the core messages of the Law of One and began focusing upon transient areas due to a lack of new material. They think that there must be more to life and to their existence so they try to compensate by their futile attempts at finding validation and reckoning for their existence. The simple truth is that if we just keep is simple for christs sake and stop focusing upon the what's and why's and instead focus upon what is and what shall be, we can then attain what we are seeking. Sure, we wander here to work upon some part of us that is in need of balance but we also heed the call for help. That call is what brings us. The ability to work upon our imbalances is secondary. We are here to help and to guide. All else comes from that help and guidance.
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01-12-2015, 11:32 PM,
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(01-12-2015, 10:52 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:52 PM)Unbound Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:37 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?

Not in the least. If one wants to pursue such questions, by all means have at it. If we are to believe that the Ra Material is in fact accurate, I would think a statement as paramount as that would definitely be heeded.

But don't you or anyone find it strange why none of the questions can be answered? All hypothesizing regarding anything beyond this realm is just that, hypothesis. Don't you think these questions along with exponentially more like it have already been asked yet no one can actually answer them with any shred of proof or facts? I believe the reason is that we are not ready for such answers just as Ra mentioned. There's a reason why the veil is in place. It prevents us from becoming distracted by transient subjects instead of focusing upon what we are here to do which is help and serve others. All other higher density subjects truly cannot be comprehended if the veil indeed exists because we are attempting to interpret a subject while still behind the veil and our personal distortions/biases.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade anyone so please don't take it that way. I mean, if we are here to discuss living the ways of the Law of One, I would think actually following what they have given would be lesson number 1 no?

Wrong, they can be answered, the answers given just may not be satisfactory. This can be true even is the answer is "the truth". Just because a question isn't answered to satisfaction doesn't mean the truth hasn't actually been glimpsed.

Edit: Also, they do repeatedly state that what they say is not to be taken at face value and each should discern for themselves.

Come on brother. I have, admittedly, come a long way in terms of what I can swallow relative to metaphysical subjects but such questions like the OP can hardly qualify as a question that can be definitively answered. Just like the multitude of questions posed by Gemini. Such questions haven't been answered with any type of verifiable information. Sure, one may consult their guides and higher self for questions pertaining to ones path and so forth but transient questions such as the OP along with questions not pertaining to ones life path such as questions about higher densities have yet to be answered definitively on here as far as what I've seen.

It's one of the few reasons why I've become so quiet on this forum. From my perspective, people have veered away from the core messages of the Law of One and began focusing upon transient areas due to a lack of new material. They think that there must be more to life and to their existence so they try to compensate by their futile attempts at finding validation and reckoning for their existence. The simple truth is that if we just keep is simple for christs sake and stop focusing upon the what's and why's and instead focus upon what is and what shall be, we can then attain what we are seeking. Sure, we wander here to work upon some part of us that is in need of balance but we also heed the call for help. That call is what brings us. The ability to work upon our imbalances is secondary. We are here to help and to guide. All else comes from that help and guidance.

May I find it amusing that you are claiming there cannot be answers to many of these profound questions, yet express at the same time your own answer of the "simple truth"? I understand what you are saying, but it is also plain to see what you are expecting from the messages of the Law of One. Is it not true that each takes from the material their own messages that most reflect their own personal striving? Is there a standardized or canon interpretation of the Ra Material?
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01-13-2015, 02:50 AM,
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
(01-12-2015, 10:52 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:52 PM)Unbound Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:37 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:  
(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?

Not in the least. If one wants to pursue such questions, by all means have at it. If we are to believe that the Ra Material is in fact accurate, I would think a statement as paramount as that would definitely be heeded.

But don't you or anyone find it strange why none of the questions can be answered? All hypothesizing regarding anything beyond this realm is just that, hypothesis. Don't you think these questions along with exponentially more like it have already been asked yet no one can actually answer them with any shred of proof or facts? I believe the reason is that we are not ready for such answers just as Ra mentioned. There's a reason why the veil is in place. It prevents us from becoming distracted by transient subjects instead of focusing upon what we are here to do which is help and serve others. All other higher density subjects truly cannot be comprehended if the veil indeed exists because we are attempting to interpret a subject while still behind the veil and our personal distortions/biases.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade anyone so please don't take it that way. I mean, if we are here to discuss living the ways of the Law of One, I would think actually following what they have given would be lesson number 1 no?

Wrong, they can be answered, the answers given just may not be satisfactory. This can be true even is the answer is "the truth". Just because a question isn't answered to satisfaction doesn't mean the truth hasn't actually been glimpsed.

Edit: Also, they do repeatedly state that what they say is not to be taken at face value and each should discern for themselves.

Come on brother. I have, admittedly, come a long way in terms of what I can swallow relative to metaphysical subjects but such questions like the OP can hardly qualify as a question that can be definitively answered. Just like the multitude of questions posed by Gemini. Such questions haven't been answered with any type of verifiable information. Sure, one may consult their guides and higher self for questions pertaining to ones path and so forth but transient questions such as the OP along with questions not pertaining to ones life path such as questions about higher densities have yet to be answered definitively on here as far as what I've seen.

It's one of the few reasons why I've become so quiet on this forum. From my perspective, people have veered away from the core messages of the Law of One and began focusing upon transient areas due to a lack of new material. They think that there must be more to life and to their existence so they try to compensate by their futile attempts at finding validation and reckoning for their existence. The simple truth is that if we just keep is simple for christs sake and stop focusing upon the what's and why's and instead focus upon what is and what shall be, we can then attain what we are seeking. Sure, we wander here to work upon some part of us that is in need of balance but we also heed the call for help. That call is what brings us. The ability to work upon our imbalances is secondary. We are here to help and to guide. All else comes from that help and guidance.

I never said anything about not helping and guiding, I put much more time working on these than thinking about paradoxes. But I deem these paradoxes to be important, because there is no such thing as a paradoxe and all can be understood. Wandering simply means one chose to be here at this time and use the veil how he wishes, I doubt there is any guideline to how one must wander. I try to use my presence as a mean to bring light and love and guide those who needs guidance. I know some of these, people in pain which I work to guide toward a meaningful change. But in addition to this there is also a service I seek for myself which is to pursue my own growth. 6D is about synthesizing love and wisdom and so I find it quite logic to seek both of these in this lifetime. Harvesting would mean growing further in the ability to bring Love and Light and so is a service to others as well. 

I feel the answers to these questions are something that cannot be Channeled but could be understood by Wanderers, something that one can resonate to, a new perspective which brings enlightment. I doubt I'd be wandering if I thought I could learn them efficiently in higher dimensions and so am probably here to use Veil to achieve new perspectives. 

In my opinion, questioning is what brings forth evolution in all densities. Intuition leads to questioning and I've learnt to follow intuition.

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01-13-2015, 04:20 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-13-2015, 04:32 AM by Phoenix. Edit Reason: Had to add weird patronising character references. )
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The idea that 'understanding is not of this density' is a concept that I find very pleasing. Since I am often tormented by a kind of 'iron cage' of logic in which I would prefer not to be right. Perhaps that is something deep within me telling me I'm not?

It's strange that such an innocent question can go in this direction.

For me I echo something that was said earlier. I can imagine infinity, although I find it hard to imagine nothing. If nothing existed it would not be nothing. That poster said it better than I will. It would also be stupid. There would be no point in nothing. (Very limited mind answering that question but it will have to suffice).

If we truly could not understand though could we polarise?

I also loved how everyone answers and is so 'them'. Jeremy, I know his vibration. Diana, something very feminine about that post but not delicate. Unbound, passionately on some sort of understanding he's trying to bring out.

I need to look at the Law of One. That line is fantastic!
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01-13-2015, 05:45 AM,
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Absolute uniqueness!
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01-13-2015, 09:18 PM,
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(01-13-2015, 04:20 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  If we truly could not understand though could we polarise?

From this density I think we can polarise without it, all one must learn in this density is that all is one and polarise in accordance either through the positive path or the negative one which is why Ra said these learnings of what's beyond were not of this density as quoted elsewhere in this thread. I would say you can't hope to bring one of 3D density up to where you are in his current lifetime on earth. 4D learns about Love, 5D learns about Wisdom and 6D does a synthesis of them both. I think such questions are important because in them Love can be understood more deeply which would be the result of synthesizing Wisdom with Love. Those are lessons of 6D.

When I first read about Wanderers, my first thought was what would an entity of 6D could ever hope to learn from 3D? 

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01-24-2019, 08:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-24-2019, 08:53 PM by Infinite Unity.)
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RE: Why? Why? Why?
(01-11-2015, 02:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  This is what's been buggling me for a while yesterday when I went through a heavy part of awakening and percing the veil.

Why is there a God? Why is there existence? Why is there even the possiblity of it all?.. Like why is there  even an infinite intelligent energy to begin with? What does it bring that nothingness lacked to be way things are? 

In short what is the Source of the Source and why is there such a thing as a Source?


It occured to me that part of wandering may have to do with reworking your basic understandings. I feel this is something I may have accepted as being the way things are since probably close to forever and that in there lies one of the lessons I'm seeking.

The ground of being that no one understands or grasps. Beyond all measure of conscious or unconscious. You can't recall it or remember it, its beyond the ability of memorie's ability to remember. Beyond grasping due to it being infinite, no boundaries, no memory, only rolling infinity. That's who we truly our, That's who I am. And the great unending, undieng, magnificent spirit of The One, How could this all not exist?

Forreal its beyond memory. You can't grasp it. You can only be it.
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01-24-2019, 09:19 PM,
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You can only see and understand it through its reflection.

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01-25-2019, 01:53 AM,
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Which can never relate or reflect the entirety of it, which allows it to continue on indefinitely.
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01-25-2019, 06:14 AM,
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Just like someone said.

Infinite nothingness would be a thing of its own definable by not being finite and not being something, such an infinite nothingness would have a point in it that defines it to those not infinite and nothing as being, infinite and nothing.

The best example of this is https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5aqylr this episode of star trek.

In other words, if there is an infinite field of somethings, eventually one of those develops sentiences and starts to play inside of itself for new things instead of into the infinite field, this creates more complexity and eventually it becomes an intelligent infinity that spreads outwards for infinite for those inside.

In other words, the exietence of the logos and the universe is a certainty in a field of random happenings large enough, in other words, the infinity.
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01-26-2019, 01:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-26-2019, 01:20 PM by Infinite Unity.)
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Yea that's practically what were saying, However the True One Infinite that is beyond all. The One and Only baby, all is an aspect, reflection, or representation of that Great One. If anyone thinks they got this "nailed" down in understanding, be wary for you have slipt into the tidal waters of IDEAOLOGY.

The way that The Only One defines itself, is recapable in its reflection or our lives.
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01-26-2019, 05:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-26-2019, 05:31 PM by Cyan.)
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(01-26-2019, 01:11 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  Yea that's practically what were saying, However the True One Infinite that is beyond all. The One and Only baby, all is an aspect, reflection, or representation of that Great One. If anyone thinks they got this "nailed" down in understanding, be wary for you have slipt into the tidal waters of IDEAOLOGY.

The way that The Only One defines itself, is recapable in its reflection or our lives.

The simple answer to the universe existing is, why not.

Its also one of the least fruitful.

But the way I see it its quite Clear. There is an infinite space and time in which universe is looking for better ways to expand, the only way to do so is to simulate all that is in an even lower energy state. So any time a particle figures out how to have a lower energy state than the universe it was born in, it starts to expand and convert all the matter in that universe into the new universe at the speed of light, making a new spherical universe. That universe contains everything in the previous universe plus new even more infinite space and time, if there is such a thing. Then this bubbling universe slowly looks for a lower energy state infinitely. This lower state has one clear observable effect on our universe, every existence or incarnation slowly begins to spin slower giving you more time with the people you love and with your life, so every incarnation is the same as before except you have more time to be you so it becomes radically different in the end result.

Anyway, quantum decay and vaccuum bugs are facinating, to think the universe is clearly looking for a new "lower energy" quantum foam to jump to so it can live longer is a facinating approach to reality. Its like the universe learning to relax more so it enjoys life more.





Edit: I should point out that the reason life slows down that way is that we are in a 5th dimensional brane that expands outwards into a matter and antimatter universe from the big bang where one side has 3 space and 1 time and another has 3 time and one space. So we live in 3D if we dont understand time moving forward, 4D if we undersstand time moving forward and 5thD if we understand it moves forwards AND backwards at the same time. So we create our memories every time we "remember" them again due to the antimaterial universe being the way it is. ITs a bit hard to explain. So in short, the entire mass of the universe is expanding outwards into time spce and space time and it has a limited amount, theoretically, of mass it can expand with and once that runs out it starts to contract until it ends in an era of black holes and then in a new big bang/vaccuum universe. So that back and forth motion continues infinitely and every time the universe "finds" or "eats" a possibility for lower energy density having the same effect as higher energy density it has more "reserve" to expand with and it cant "Rewrite" its past without destroying the universe so it has to play til the end of the universe then reset and use the "better math" to rework the universe, that way it can do the same with less effort and continues this way infinitely until it reaches some far in the distant point when it is "content" with how long creatures live, and as life wants to continue living for the most part it shouldnt ever end.

Anyway, I hope that makes sense.
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