06-06-2015, 03:46 PM
In addition to my previous post VanAlioSado, I would recommend a study of hermetics in general as it is probably in the avenue of what you are looking for. The Kybalion is something that comes to mind.
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06-06-2015, 03:46 PM
In addition to my previous post VanAlioSado, I would recommend a study of hermetics in general as it is probably in the avenue of what you are looking for. The Kybalion is something that comes to mind.
06-06-2015, 05:20 PM
Any suggestions on picking up a real ceremonial dagger? Due to it representing my will, I feel it is critical to be as sharp and real as possible.
I wonder if I should go with a wand for that reason... But then I run into the same problem. If it is some plastic harry potter cosplay prop, I won't be able to take it seriously.
06-06-2015, 05:36 PM
Just find a knife you like, that will do. I found a fancy sort of one at a head shop. It has an Egyptian style to it.
06-06-2015, 05:41 PM
Wand and dagger are different symbols with different functions. Dagger more represents the mind and its powers of will, discernment, clarity and direction. The wand represents spiritual will and the inner flame and energy of life. Dagger is associated with air, wand with flame although sometimes flame is attributed to swords due to its martial aspect.
So you can do it, but you would be changing the elemental formula.
06-06-2015, 05:43 PM
Elemental tools are:
Wand - Fire Dagger/Sword - Air Pentacles - Earth Chalice - Water Typically, of course.
06-06-2015, 06:28 PM
I thought I wouldn't try rituals for now but I remembered my father telling me some time ago that the regrets of my great-grand father who was a rosicrucian were that he should've realized sooner he had so much to learn.
Better get to it I guess.
06-06-2015, 11:01 PM
Might as well do something with your time here.
Some food for thought on the four worlds of the Tree of Life.
http://m.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo...Ladder.htm
06-07-2015, 02:02 AM
the main issue about doing this kind of work before one is ready is the great potential for traumatizing oneself.
Trauma is not in itself a 'thing'. Something that is traumatic (an event) to one person, may not be traumatic to another person. There is nothing that is inherently traumatic, if the experience is about to be integrated in some way by the person who experienced trauma. Trauma happens when there is an event, and there is insufficient means (personal philosophy, worldview, psychological tools, emotional preparedness) to make sense of the event. The 'trauma' then gets sectioned off as something fearful, external, separate to the self, threatening. There are reasons why we are so protective of young kids (lets say, under the age of 11), and what sort of materials we allow them to be exposed to. Without the proper context, any event is capable of being traumatic or misinterpreted. Mommy and Daddy fighting can be like the Greek Gods of Zeus and co waging a war on each other. So the level of consciousness of the person has to be considered when talking about 'trauma'. Ra referenced this when they spoke about 'training aids'. Quote:it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative. Ra was referencing the Pyramid and initiation techniques of forcing the self to come face to face with itself, but the term training aid applies to any occult/magical practice, as well as the use of substances. If you get exposed to it, you are responsible for integrating the experience into your worldview. If you can't, that experience has essentially become a separate memory from your coherent consciousness, and 'trauma' has occurred to you. Build up too much trauma, and a mental breakdown/schizophrenic episode wlll occur. Schizophrenia is very much these traumatic, isolated experiences (that couldn't be integrated) somehow 'speaking' to the person as if it were an external agent (god, a spirit guide, a negative agent). That is not to say that spirit guides and negative agents don't exist, but in the situation of trauma, the separated memory takes on a life beingness of it's own, and the person experiencing it can't discern or differentiate the difference. It is experienced as if it were an external agent; even though it is just the memory come to life as a consequence of lack of integration. The more fractured memories, the greater number of 'external' voices. The greater the fracture, the greater the sense that the entity is really 'real'. Number one rule: if you can't integrate it, it will cause you harm. The harm to consciousness far transcends any physical type harm you could experience in this world. Harm to consciousness continues from lifetime to lifetime until healed. This isn't a warning as such; this is just an explanation of the mechanics involved in invoking training aids.
06-07-2015, 04:47 AM
It is a valid warning too though, it's not for the casual observer to penetrate the self but the earnest seeker within the self.
I think that the western mystery tradition has been given a bit of a bad rep over the years as being something shady occult and generally negative. I think this has been carried on over the years from the Church. Its interesting thing to note that nearly everything we have in the western mystery tradition was developed by people from the Renaissance, with occultists of that age drawing on the rediscovery of the old mystery religions of antiquity, such as Hermetics, Gnostic, Neoplatoism, Scotism, neopythagoras etc.
The roots of the western mystery tradition are within the Hermetic Qabalah, which was developed by Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, who fused elements of Christianity, Jewish Kabbalah and Hermetics with the addition of some of the above mentioned material into what is now called the hermetic Qabalah. This was then taken on by Agrippa who wrote the 3 books on occult philosophy, which holds the basics of what we consider to be the practical side of the western mystery tradition. It wasn't until the Jesuit preist kircher book oedipus aegyptiacus that we see the common design of the glyph that is known and use in the western tradition. However it wasn't until the occult revival in the Victorian age that we see the Golden Dawn and its offshoots bringing this knowledge into a curriculum. Its interesting to note then that most of what is consider to be occult came in fact from traditional Judeo/Christian religion and the philosophy of antiquity. I was fairly surprised to see that many of the technical or practical aspect of the Golden Dawn are infact simply the western alternative to the widely available Eastern practices. Take for example the middle pillar exercise and the practice of Chakra meditation in the east. I think if we can get over the superstition aspect of the western mystery tradition , it isn't something that is negative , its simply a tool available to help ones growth in an incarnation. ------------- On a different note, Plenum isn't Ra talking about the technology of the pyramids rather than anything of a more mental/spiritual practice? If what you say is true, you could add something like meditation or prayer into the same idea as training aids? I do agree with the idea of external things such as drugs and technology though, but Ra did give many practical exercises that could be consider training Aids.
06-07-2015, 12:39 PM
(06-07-2015, 06:24 AM)Matt1 Wrote: On a different note, Plenum isn't Ra talking about the technology of the pyramids rather than anything of a more mental/spiritual practice? If what you say is true, you could add something like meditation or prayer into the same idea as training aids? I do agree with the idea of external things such as drugs and technology though, but Ra did give many practical exercises that could be consider training Aids. to me, a training aid is a deliberate use of some technique, which generates an experience which could be considered non-ordinary in the sense of 'normal' catalyst. something like Channeling, for the purposes of requesting insight or information on one's situation, could be seen as a training aid. You are asking for specific external information, and if you don't use it, you've abused the Calling for that information. another way of looking at it is this: given one's 'normal' situation regards the kundalini, you are situated at a specific point in your energy system. For some people, it is in the yellowray, level 3.2, for others, it is in the heart centre or what-not. When you are operating at your 'normal' level of kundalini, you are attracting the experiences and the catalyst most pertinent and relevant to you. It is perfectly matched to your blockages and it promotes the next next stage of unfolding, if the experience is utilized for what it is. Something like meditation quietens the mind so that one is able to discern and process that relevant catalyst more directly. What a training aid does is expose you to catalyst that is above your current level of kundalini. The more extreme the practice, the further the experience lies above your current level of understanding and comprehension. If you want to blow the doors off your mind, I'm sure there is a particular regimen of advanced technques that will do so. Unfortunately, no matter how elevated or divine the experience, your kundalini will return to the level that is commensurate with your current understandings of Creation. The kundalini is an 'overall measure' of how balanced you are functioning relative to the experiences of that density. By forcing oneself to have experiences way above your current level, you are creating the huge potential for disjoint ('trauma') in being able to integrate those experiences into your understanding. It is not impossible, but the potential for miscomprehension is very much a real thing. A one off experience may not do much harm. But people who repeatedly try to raise their kundalini by whatever means other than natural development are just asking for a fracturing of consciousness. It is almost inevitable in my view. That is not to say that there isn't a role for such training aids. Given the right circumstances, it can act as an unstagnifier, and really open the door to a dedicated and committed seeker; someone who wants to go hard core, and urilize and implement what was being offered by the training aid. The issue arises when these tools are used for recreational fun and entertainment; it may seem like a laugh and a giggle, but people end up insane through uncareful use of powerful experiences. As i mentioned before, the key to this is the ability to integrate.
My opinion is that unless you want to deal directly with external forces, you better not use these tools. But through the tools you've got the advantage of using the incarnated rules which are predominant in this area over the external forces.
But yeah if you start messing with hateful, vengeful, sorrowful friends, you can get hurt. You can't f*** with others not expecting to get something back in return. If they're already messing with you, the tools can help but then you won't get to the bottom of why they're messing with you nor will you understand/love them. Say there's an unwell spirit that radiate it's darkness near you, if you cast it away then you're just telling it to go suffer elsewhere. That's not very STO in itself and probably simply reinforces it's negativity making it worse elsewhere for others. So I think it's important to think about what you truly want for yourself and other-self.
06-08-2015, 11:13 AM
(06-07-2015, 02:45 PM)Minyatur Wrote: if you cast it away then you're just telling it to go suffer elsewhere. This has been my number one fear of casting any kind of magic in this way, is that I don't want to cast away those spirits who aren't actively harming me in their suffering, and even then to those who are harming me, I don't want it to push them away the first few times, I'd want to offer them a chance to stick around without harming me, to try and find a compromise. Yet as Tan said, I shouldn't go messing with the makeup of the spell if I don't comprehend correctly how it all operates or what does what. This was why I was curious about the Orb instead of the Dagger. I wanted to offer a purifying presence that isn't forceful but totality in-consideration, Amethyst gives off golden rays, so I figured an Amethyst Orb would be a powerful substitute in providing that kind of presence where I might lack the ability to refine my own light into that style of golden light for the LBRP. Nextly, I'm for some reason very scared of magic, and when you all started talking about external forces it caught my attention. I might be more scared of calling on external forces than I am of the magic itself. Something about magic makes me scared to perform it.
Well, LBRP is banishing ritual, it's in the name. The purpose is to clear the field of the magician for working. I see it as basically like cleaning up and sanitizing your space before cooking. It's a matter of mental and spiritual hygiene.
I might point to the irony of your desires to perpetually serve those entities that might offer you enslavement or negativity as Ra quite clearly pointed out that in such a situation there is mutual rejection. I think what you fear is power and the images associated with it. Not just your own power, but the possible power of other beings. You are wise to be cautious, it's smarter than a reckless attitude when it comes to magic. However, it isn't totally subject to error, there is flexibility to magic and not everything has the potential to be dangerous. Such as the LBRP, I'd think as long as you get the formula basically right there's probably not much harm that could come from 'messing it up'. Same with the Qabbalistic Cross. However I have been warned that you can hurt yourself doing the Middle Pillar if you have major blockages.
You may also have an entity around you trying to freak you out so you don't banish it. There are astral parasites, I assure you. Not everything wants your offer of healing or compromise.
Banishing may come across as a seeming negative or cold thing, but actually what you are doing is returning any entity in your space to the Creator or Infinite Intelligence so it can be returned to it's own space. Really it will likely benefit the entity more often than not in the long run. Banishing is an archaic sort of term and concept, that's why I tend to think of it more like cleaning. You're sweeping up your space.
06-08-2015, 12:09 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: You may also have an entity around you trying to freak you out so you don't banish it. There are astral parasites, I assure you. Not everything wants your offer of healing or compromise. I'm pretty sure they also view you as a astral parasite xD. But yeah the entity doesn't want to be alone even if it doesn't want to heal.
06-08-2015, 12:10 PM
I'm highly aware of the concept of 'Power' in a...Cosmic sense in a...Less than kindly way.
I mean, I love Beings like Lilith, Asmodeus, and Amaymon so I'd like to seriously hope I have some aspect of understanding (if just a teeny bit) of their strength, and why I have an actual fear of demons, yet find them so cool but also understand that not all negative entities are evil or actually bad. Those neutral negative ones are the ones I reference, its only out of kindness I offer some chance for others to choose to leave me alone before I begin infringing against their desires. I wouldn't call it serving them, I'd call it being a Nice Guy. Who if ignored, flips over into Indifferent Guy and goes about his way returning to his own desires. It's what I call Service to All, consideration and kindness, even to those negative and dark entities, in hopes they may see, sometimes it's okay to be a bit merciful, or at the least, I'm being kind, have some mercy. And if neither, then removal of consideration, and simply kindness will suffice as I return to working on myself regardless of another's issues/actions towards me. (You'd be amazed how well Complete Ignoring works against people.) Describe 'Major Blockage' in regards to doing the Middle Pillar, it may be very important knowledge for anyone else reading this to know.
06-08-2015, 12:12 PM
Sure, maybe they do, I am sure all sorts of entities have all sorts of twisted views of me. Doesn't mean I should feed and support their suffering by enabling them to have a distraction from themselves. I acknowledge this is not a way everyone feels comfortable working, but I already carry a fair amount and I think I'd drive myself too far trying to save every single entity personally.
06-08-2015, 12:13 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: You may also have an entity around you trying to freak you out so you don't banish it. There are astral parasites, I assure you. Not everything wants your offer of healing or compromise. It's the parasites who I especially feel bad for if they need to do so for sustenance to survive! Ugh, this is what I mean by my caring so much. It extends to everything!!! If it's not a banishing action, why call it a banishing ritual? It sounds closer to a cleansing or purifying ritual. Would it be wrong to refer to it as such or is the term banishing purposeful you think?
06-08-2015, 12:15 PM
I'm trying to speak with the negative entity in my home, trying to make it leave through dialogue.
06-08-2015, 12:15 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:10 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: I'm highly aware of the concept of 'Power' in a...Cosmic sense in a...Less than kindly way. Asmodeus is a nasty piece of work in my experience, very deceptive and manipulative. Likes to make you think he's your friend. I think you're giving yourself excuses again but maybe that's just my obtuseness. By all means, do as you are comfortable. As for blockages I'd say major emotional traumas, repressed emotions and severe cognitive dissonance.
06-08-2015, 12:16 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:13 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote:(06-08-2015, 12:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: You may also have an entity around you trying to freak you out so you don't banish it. There are astral parasites, I assure you. Not everything wants your offer of healing or compromise. You banish external influences.
06-08-2015, 12:17 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:13 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote:(06-08-2015, 12:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: You may also have an entity around you trying to freak you out so you don't banish it. There are astral parasites, I assure you. Not everything wants your offer of healing or compromise. It is a banishing action, but the negative connotation towards that is your own, so I offered an alternative way to conceptualize the banishing action. I personally don't feel uncomfortable with the term banishing because I do not see it as negative or in any attempt to harm. (06-08-2015, 12:15 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-08-2015, 12:10 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: I'm highly aware of the concept of 'Power' in a...Cosmic sense in a...Less than kindly way. You don't seem to have much love for them, everyone in Creation is a friend if you're brave enough.
Sometimes friends need some wrathful compassion. It has nothing to do with love to me, because I don't see love in martyrdom. Actually, I am more likely to become the friend of an entity if they are not attempting to consume me. Should it not be that my friendship is also worthy of respect?
06-08-2015, 12:23 PM
Also, no, there are entities who have no need or desire for friends, no matter how they might delude you so. Only when they desire it will they experience it truly.
06-08-2015, 12:25 PM
Keep in mind that I already tried, in an extreme way, the approach to try and just let these things hang around 'for their benefit'. It was quickly taken advantage of and I am still healing myself from the damage I opened myself to.
06-08-2015, 12:27 PM
(06-08-2015, 12:20 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Sometimes friends need some wrathful compassion. It has nothing to do with love to me, because I don't see love in martyrdom. Actually, I am more likely to become the friend of an entity if they are not attempting to consume me. Should it not be that my friendship is also worthy of respect? Everyone experiences friendship from different perspectives. |
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