09-08-2015, 06:22 AM
Does my issue of belief make sense in that context??
Everything is real, but its also illusion. All is ONE.
Everything is real, but its also illusion. All is ONE.
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09-08-2015, 06:22 AM
Does my issue of belief make sense in that context??
Everything is real, but its also illusion. All is ONE.
09-08-2015, 10:44 AM
When I start feeling the way you describe, I listen to this:
[video=youtube]youtube.com/watch?v=wtHAKEZzrl8[/video]
09-08-2015, 11:05 AM
What was before beginnings and ends?
I find I am drawn to the idea of Mystery as a thing in itself.
09-08-2015, 11:17 AM
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(09-08-2015, 06:20 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: All beginnings here in this illusion are nonstart beginnings, all ends are nonend endings, with the end starting the beginning and the beginning starting the end. I remember in the Law of One Ra says something to the extent but not exactly that this is not the density of understanding. you can reduce the veil but it can not be completely removed so there are somethings you will not come to understanding during your 3d life. aside from that is it not possible that existence(infinity) always was existing and always will exist? Meaning there is nothing before or after existence(infinity). it always was and always will be ? Another way of looking at it is thru the law of conservation of energy in terms of real word physics. it states that matter cannot be created nor destroyed it can only change forms. also the channeling of the Law of One are nothing more than just the teachings of Ra. They are not absolute. Many other spiritual as well as religious teachings preach that before there was anything, there was chaos(infinity), and from chaos(infinity) an entity emerged and brought order to chaos and was the first true god. I think that the first god to emerge from chaos that other teachings speak of is the same as a part of chaos(infinity) or all of it becoming aware. i think you need to meditate or contemplate and find the answers on your own, or begin to look outside of the LOO. I personally believe if an individual followers their intuition/feelins in a balanced manner they will be able to obtain anything their heart desires
09-08-2015, 11:33 AM
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So what's behind the Mystery? Same veil as the OIC, same question.
I need to make a thread of things I'm learning from this Archetype that I am experiencing... The Night of the Soul, The Devil. Hmm. Parsons, you should post lyrics too just cause I usually can never make sense of lyrics in songs (I also need subtitles for movies and shows, yet my hearing is perfectly fine somehow...) But personally, this period I feel more like Forty Six & Two. Tool: Forty Six & Two' Wrote:"Forty-Six & 2" Upensmoke, I agree, you are right, but that still does not mean something else came before Infinity. I don't know how to properly explain this concept except that there is no such thing as Time, so how can anything be timeless? It's more like it just IS. So if Infinity is just IS, what else could possibly be just IS? Now I know it makes no sense to say something came before something that always was, but linear logic may not make much sense in terms of just AS IS itself, so if something IS AS IS, could it be possible that it was JUST IS put there by something beyond timeless and just is? Notice my word of choice, Beyond. Possibly not even Before, but something past Infinity, something that Infinity only barely touches because it is as is, Infinite, and it is ALL things, but ALL things are One, and in that-- Illusion is possible, illusion of ALL, illusion of reality, illusion of illusion, paradox of illusion. And it's all still real. If everything is One, and that One is Love, and that Love is all, (or that Original Thought is All), does that mean that illusion is an illusion of an illusion of reality? Let's just, and I'm not asking you to actually seriously consider this, but to just approach it with a very open mind, as Aion says, Destroy everything. Destroy it all. Once you destroy it all, approach this concept. Everything is Existent, All Concepts, All Infinity, Infinity implies Unity, it does not imply it is singular beyond being One. Can there be more than just one type of Infinity? Something Beyond our Infinity, beyond parallel realities, something beyond parallel Original Thoughts, something beyond, beyond Allness, beyond Consciousness, Beyond Infinity, something... Just Beyond. What is it? Can it enable me to look upon the Infinity, and finally know it in full in one fell swoop? Will I discover the Absolute One Creator? Will I find myself looking at myself? What is it? Beyond Infinity? Can it be fathomable? Thought of? Can I ideate it? Is it possible? Did it make Infinity? Is it as Buzz Lightyear says, Infinity and Beyond?
09-08-2015, 12:28 PM
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(09-08-2015, 11:33 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Upensmoke, I agree, you are right, but that still does not mean something else came before Infinity. I don't know how to properly explain this concept except that there is no such thing as Time, so how can anything be timeless? It's more like it just IS. lol you got me confused. I said its possible nothing came before or after. It always was. If something always was how would it be put their by something. that indicates a point when it wasn't. Also time is an invention of man. linear time does not exist we created linear time. all time does is measure change. time is a distortion. Change is what exist change is what is true not time or timeless. also isn't everything Just IS? (09-08-2015, 11:33 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Notice my word of choice, Beyond. Possibly not even Before, but something past Infinity, something that Infinity only barely touches because it is as is, Infinite, and it is ALL things, but ALL things are One, and in that-- Illusion is possible, illusion of ALL, illusion of reality, illusion of illusion, paradox of illusion. And it's all still real. If everything is One, and that One is Love, and that Love is all, (or that Original Thought is All), does that mean that illusion is an illusion of an illusion of reality? TTP What is Real to you ? what defines something as real for you ? also im not sure i understand what aion is saying. what am i destroying ? and what is the concept ? am i destroying what i think i know about the concept, then approaching the concept again ? can you or aion elaborate a bit. (09-08-2015, 11:33 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Everything is Existent, All Concepts, All Infinity, Infinity implies Unity, it does not imply it is singular beyond being One. Can there be more than just one type of Infinity? Something Beyond our Infinity, beyond parallel realities, something beyond parallel Original Thoughts, something beyond, beyond Allness, beyond Consciousness, Beyond Infinity, something... If there is more than one type of infinity does that mean they're separate ? if they're are not separate is it not still just infinity ? meaning isn't infinite infinities still equal to one infinity Are we not experiencing infinity and creating the beyond? Are you asking is their something separate from infinity ?
From the way I see it, there is infinite time and infinite space. The One awareness, is the awareness which transcends all of infinite time in a single instant or moment. It is that which is everything, and everything then is an individualized exploraton of Itself.
I was asked if there could be something more than Infinity or more than One Infinity a few days ago by a friend. But in my mind if there is infinite Infinities, but then are they not one infinity as a whole? I always saw Infinity as being infinite in infinite ways. Say we have our One Logos here, well there can be infinite parralel Logos to Itself, but the awareness which emcompasses All can only be One.
09-08-2015, 12:56 PM
(09-08-2015, 12:28 PM)upensmoke Wrote:(09-08-2015, 11:33 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Upensmoke, I agree, you are right, but that still does not mean something else came before Infinity. I don't know how to properly explain this concept except that there is no such thing as Time, so how can anything be timeless? It's more like it just IS. Everything is real to me, even illusions. This life is an illusion, I am an illusion, but I am real. This is because all is one. Illusion/Reality and Reality/Illusion is/are the same thing to me. Infinity is hard to exit. But imagine in infinity there is a portion that is an exit from infinity that exists because infinity makes it so. Call is Ascension or Enlightenment or whatever you want, on a Cosmic Level. Where does one go when they surpass the One Infinite Creator? Maybe an easier way to view this is in a linear sense. Once the OIC is One again, what is left beyond that is not apart of the OIC (if we're fast forwarding). If the first known thing is awareness itself, then Infinity, it implies that Infinity does not start off Self-Aware. Which means it has a start. What came before that awareness? (if we're backtracking). Destroy it all, your everything, the entire conceptual understandings of everything and start fresh with only intelligence and intuition, then destroy those and behold the first thought that comes to mind. For me it was this: Where did I come from and Why? Imagine being in the OIC's place and 'suddenly' becoming aware of yourself, out of nowhere, already randomly intelligent, already coming into form and shape, already being. What would be the first thing you'd ask discovering you were Intelligent Infinity? (09-08-2015, 12:32 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: From the way I see it, there is infinite time and infinite space. The One awareness, is the awareness which transcend all of infinite time in a single intant or moment. It is that which is everything, and everything then is an individualized exploraton of Itself. Infinity is infinite in infinite ways, I call this concept of Infinity stacked infinitely Infinium. If something could theoretically exist beyond Infinium, what, or how, is it? Could it be? Can it be? Will be? Why and how is it separate Infinity? Let me just reiterate this, in infinity, infinity is impossible, including the concept of something being separate of infinity, as we are now. A cosmic veil, or maybe the exact opposite of the veil, maybe it veils itself to be impossible to be known and thus is not known as infinity to anything or itself, something outside of infinity caused by infinity, or maybe it caused infinity. Do you think it's possible that infinity in its infinity can create something that is Beyond itself? Or perhaps something beyond Infinity created Infinity? I'm sorry for confusing everyone. But the illusion of free will, or the veiling of free will, mixed with the inherent inferences of Infinity have led me to some...Deep places in this rabbit hole. I made a joking remark in Aion's thread (destroy the world), "-looks down rabbit hole- I don't know Tanner, I don't think I'm in Arizona anymore." I meant that in the sense of simply, I now question if I am real or illusion. I now know it to be both depending on how I desire to ideate my reality. Do I desire my existence to be illusion, or real, or illusively real or a real illusion? I still create, therefore it is real, but it is also illusion therefor it is illusion. It is real/illusion, illusion/real. It can be.
09-08-2015, 12:57 PM
Tool - The Patient Wrote:A groan of tedium escapes me,
09-08-2015, 01:14 PM
I think Infinity was harvested from the previous Octave. Going back forever.
(09-08-2015, 12:56 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:(09-08-2015, 12:32 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: From the way I see it, there is infinite time and infinite space. The One awareness, is the awareness which transcend all of infinite time in a single intant or moment. It is that which is everything, and everything then is an individualized exploraton of Itself. I can only say that I do not know. I've asked myself a lot of questions you are asking and some of them may not even be someting we can answer within this Octave of existence. The great mystery.. We are because we are. The OIC is through us because we are. If we were not, then there'd be nothing. I have a hard time grasping the concept of something being outside of infinity. I kind of focus more on that I can't comprehend the infinite layers of infinity to begin with.
09-08-2015, 02:40 PM
On a personal level to me the only thing REAL is my consciousness/awareness everything outside of that can be considered a dream to me. Also
If anything were able to exit infinity it would mean it separated from infinity meaning that all things are not one. meaning there is no infinity because there is now a finite number of existence two. the infinity, and what ever exited from infinity. also you ask were does one go when one surpass the OIC. Its the same as asking were does one go after they surpass themselves there is no definite answer every enitity including the OIC will decide that for themselves when they surpass themselves not before its not set in stone. you also ask "Once the OIC is One again, what is left beyond that is not apart of the OIC " Do you believe all things are one ? if so its impossible for anything to not be apart of the OIC. Also How do we know this is the first time infinity became intelligent ? what if this is the 4th or 1000th time ? What if infinity lost its intelligence at some point. Dont you think your making assumptions ? Also if i was the OIC when i became intelligent I would probably wonder if im alone, and has this happen before. Other than that I would only ask the questions i don't know the answer too assuming that when i became aware I already had knowledge all.
09-08-2015, 02:50 PM
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overall if there is anything separate from infinity its the same as saying all things are not one. I feel your definition of one is different then mine.
you also said something about exiting infinity. If something exits infinity is it still apart of infinity ? If you believe it is, isn't it still one ?. If you believe once something exits infinity is it not apart of infinity is like say i don't believe all is one, and if thats the case I don't think you should put too much weight on the channelings of the LOO am i still misunderstanding you ? or we on somewhat the same page ?
09-08-2015, 03:03 PM
I think it's good to question all things and work opposite concepts and contradictions that one can perceive.
It's all expansion of the mind. And within our Creation lies an aura of mystery that we can't seem to bring into light.
09-08-2015, 03:51 PM
(09-08-2015, 01:14 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I think Infinity was harvested from the previous Octave. Going back forever.Would this mean there's only the past, present, and future octave 'available' at any one time? Or I guess...'Being Consciously Experienced' rather than 'available'? -like looking into a pit of intuition- :exclamation: (09-08-2015, 03:51 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:(09-08-2015, 01:14 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I think Infinity was harvested from the previous Octave. Going back forever.Would this mean there's only the past, present, and future octave 'available' at any one time? Or I guess...'Being Consciously Experienced' rather than 'available'? I'd say our Finite Infinity (individualized Logos) was harvested from the previous Octave. In my view, Infinity in itself is always whole. It includes what has happened, what is happening and what will happen as it exists outside the illusion of time. The past is happening now, the future also is happening now, there is nothing other than a single present moment. The illusion of time being only a convenient parameter for experience, to explore the evolution of awareness through it. We are the processing of Intelligence but we exist within what has always integrated this processing to Itself. ... If our higher self is what we are to become yet already is, then Intelligent Infinity is our Highest Self to which we all add to but which also already is. In my view we don't even make choices, we are the awareness of all choices being made. Each being the awareness of the choices we are to make in the delusion that we are not also making all other choices through other-selves.
09-08-2015, 04:51 PM
So ultimately I have the skills and knowledge of everyone in Intelligent Infinity.
I think that highest self is also called the mind/body/spirit totality.
09-08-2015, 05:32 PM
(09-08-2015, 04:51 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: So ultimately I have the skills and knowledge of everyone in Intelligent Infinity. I think mind/body/spirit complexes are a trinity we are exploring, the One probably embodies any kind of duality/trinity/... that could be explored in realities which are not part of our own. We are are a flow of cycles but there is potential to be infinite others. Each growing toward infinity just like we do, but in their own unique ways.
09-09-2015, 02:10 AM
I decided to look into this through Archetypes and found I've been enjoying some time in the Night of the Soul, I'll go make a thread on my discoveries if I ever get around to compiling them into a sensible post...
So I have in my mind a bit of a better understanding now, thank you all. I see that there is a point past illusion where reality is as is, that is real enough to not be illusion unless I choose to view it as such, to go back to viewing it as reality once more in turn creates it as reality. It's a method of understanding that can go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay awry if you're not careful about getting lost in the linearity of the logic that twists and curves into knots your faith into illusion. I actually PM'd Min about this place I stumbled upon that I call the Hell Room that really likes to mess with you with refined perfection in trying to make you believe you're illusion. It was quite the lesson actually! I am very happy that everyone here managed to help me retain belief in logic and intellect that illusion is just not plausible past a point, that it morphs into this thing that is Singular, and that is The Truth. There may be something Beyond Infinity, but if there is it is probably just a Parallel Infinite Creator peering in at it's alternate selves Creations, not THE ONE, as the one is singular, but right below that, could The One not just self-divide self infinitely with various distortions that are all in themselves Infinite Creators, starting the cacophony of structuring the infinity void into Being, into existence, into creation, into Love, into Light, into Beingness, into Logos? Whew. What an experience, I need to really thank Gemini too, his octave remark followed by the mind/body/spirit totality made me realize that the answer's lie in that simple concept of Totality. MMM, I love that word; Totality. It's like one of those special words to me that makes me feel blissful, Totality. Everything will be okay, it's all moving back to Totality, the madness is just a distortion of Totality, the Illusion is just distortion of Totality, Illusion is Illusion in itself, even when it makes you question reality. Unifying the factors gives you the answer, Illusion/Reality is part of The One Infinite Creator. Does that make the Creator Illusion? No. It also doesn't make the Creator Real though, it makes the Creator, that which is beyond. That is The Truth, so I have stumbled upon myself. Thank you everyone!!
09-09-2015, 02:56 AM
Behind the Mystery is: Depth. Consider this.
09-09-2015, 04:32 AM
I like depth, this works for me.
To me, the universe is like gazing in to a Mysterious Well of infinite depth wherein your very being is reflected. Every time you look you will see something different. How deep you go determines what you will find. The question of 'what is the deepest' is something I think most would bring to the One or Love.
Consider though that the One is actually not the deepest, because it is every part, so it is in fact the most obvious, least obscure. It is the One who gazes in to the Mysterious Well and sees itself reflected. This means that it all begins with the One and the 'depth of Mystery' is dependent on how deeply the One observes in to itself. The Creator, the One Infinite, is seeing every part of itself at once. Yet, how does the Creator see itself in reflection? Through Light and then shadows and thus every part of the One is eventually turned towards the One because the gaze of the Many is actually the unified gaze of the One. Thus, Mystery is the Gateway to Infinity. Beyond the gate, lies depth of infinite degree and infinite degrees of acuity.
09-09-2015, 11:01 AM
Infinite mystery personally sounds annoying honestly.
I'm not curious about the deepest, I'm curious about where that deepest came from but I found very adequate answers. Have you ever heard of the Movie 1408 Aion?
09-09-2015, 11:29 PM
Yes and I've read the short story as well. Good story, intriguing concept. I recall seeing you say you encountered a space of mind like this. I would say I have done the same, perhaps multiple times
I think most people think of Mystery as being something which obscures the truth as though it is a cloak or veil. However, I think that mystery is the truth and it is all of the attempts to answer the great riddle of the Mystery that leads to infinite delusion and distortion.
09-09-2015, 11:30 PM
The only way to penetrate the Mystery is to love it, and so let it be.
09-10-2015, 01:32 AM
In terms of unification, it may very be the truth is both true and mysterious, at the same time.
09-10-2015, 01:46 AM
I don't refer to the quality of something being mysterious or mystery being something which surrounds other things. I am talking about Mystery as an Archetype, it is what drives the Fool's curiosity.
09-10-2015, 02:17 AM
I'm not attributing anything either, Just unifying polar opposites to figure what a unified verse of the concepts would be.
09-10-2015, 11:09 AM
What is the opposite of Mystery? Truth. The opposite of truth? Mystery.
09-11-2015, 03:53 AM
The opposite of truth isn't really mystery to me. Mystery is close but i think the opposite of truth is basically synonymous to illusion of mystery, being that mystery implies something unknown and truth implies nothing unknown, the opposite is everything unknown, mystery is not everything unless we become...unaware perhaps?
Hence, illusive mystery, a deliberate seeking of nontruth. No idea if there's a name or word for that, 'seeking nontruth' |
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