11-08-2015, 11:36 AM
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11-08-2015, 11:36 AM
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11-08-2015, 12:39 PM
Interesting points, I comprehend now.
I'm a bit more feminine apparently in a relationship, I'm more open and very accepting of people in a relationship. I try to fix their smaller problems and they usually help me. Just being around the person is nice, though I worry about them often if they're somewhat mean for no apparent reason. Usually because it makes me think I did something. I think everyone is unique but many get sucked into a molded psychological formulation. I used to think like you did. Maybe I got spoiled lucky And found a one of a kind for a while because she wasn't anything like you've said she supposedly would be. And if she was. Then damn. That feels bro. Sadface.jpg But I've experienced people exactly like you've described. I just...really hope they're not all that way.
11-08-2015, 12:54 PM
I am gay but sometimes I wonder how I could have a relationship with a woman, because women really love their man.
11-08-2015, 01:09 PM
Quote:Men are biologically inclined to be the more lustful sex. And satisfying a man is not particularly difficult compared to a woman. If someone was lacking green ray energies in the said relationship, I would say it was the GF herself. So you believe men are more "biologically inclined" to have an overactive red ray? And it's a woman's job to correct this, or she doesn't love him? Quote:I roll my eyes whenever I see some variation of "she was not in the mood". Barring illness or physical exhaustion, that simply means she's not all that into him, and doesn't care about satisfying his biological urges. Doesn't sound like "green ray" to me. I have to say you may want to contemplate this assertion a bit more. What you are saying is, even if I feel like I have a sufficient orange-ray blockage (say, a big fight that hasn't been resolved) with my husband, that I should just go ahead and have orange-ray sex with him anyway, even if I don't "feel" like it? This ends in a negative energy exchange. Why would I want that? There is no obligation towards sex for either gender. It's a mutual thing where both partners should be generally on the same wavelength, or close enough to have a meaningful energy exchange. Is a partner really there to satisfy your "biological urges?" What about their biological urges (not wanting to have sex)? As far as the direction the rest of the thread has taken, I would recommend one of Ra's balancing exercises; to recognize every female as male, and every male as female. Spiritual sex is the merging of two balanced souls. You may feel like you've only known severely imbalanced souls, but the sexist gender dichotomy is not nearly as prevalent as you'd like to believe. That link you posted contains some extremely volatile opinions and language, if you really feel that way, earth_spirit, I am sorry that you have been hurt so. For what it's worth, I think at this time we have a lot of "female souls" incarnate as males and a lot of male souls incarnate as females, in an attempt to overcorrect the imbalances of the past. I think this has caused a lot of confusion for those incarnate in these weird times. I think it's great if we can all be patient with each other, even the jerks who do a poor job representing their gender. I think everyone is trying and growing to get better. The process is slow for some people, but others can wake up in an instant to their true nature. No need to dwell in the darkness of the times, rejoice each time you see someone with their eyes open, and remember we all blink and sleep.
11-08-2015, 04:06 PM
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11-08-2015, 06:06 PM
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The idea of one having to push themselves to give another partner sex is pretty rapish to me. Before you know it, both partners are forcing each other to have sex. This sounds like a breakup ready to happen.
I don't know how else to describe this except as this four letter word: RAPE, in the emotional and physical sense.
11-08-2015, 11:36 PM
I tried to be bi to make up for:
Loneliness Feeling too feminine To be more open and as Jade mentioned, it was also an attempt to treat both sexes as equal, but truly my body does not react to men. Its just not the proper appeal. There's a need for a more intimate expression of sex that a guy might be able to fulfill but they never turn me on enough to make me want to. I do think its purely biological. Women aren't all so bad, many of them are just as scared as I when it comes to someone trying to get close and into your life. ...I actually met a lady at work the other night who identified as a loner (may it be said LoA exists) and she made a pretty clear explanation of what I've sought. To be together, but still be able to have solitude. So I think there's custom personalities in both sexes. I try not to judge the societal zombies who do judge like crazy. Let's just throw back some beers (or wine) (or delicious fruit juice), maybe make a fire and talk, I promise I'm not a serial killer or crazy weirdo! Just a psychotic oddball Adonai, I don't call saying yes to a partners desire despite my own waning in comparison, Then laying there for their enjoyment rape. I do call guilt tripping me or psychologically manipulating somewhat rapey, if my full desire isn't to be with that person and they pushed me into it without a choice, I'd say yer right next to rape, close enough for me to feel like I'm being taken advantage of.
11-09-2015, 01:49 AM
(11-05-2015, 02:56 PM)Jeremy Wrote: During those moments when I visualize exactly what I'm doing during either oral, vaginal, or anal intercourse, focus all of my intention and love into that single area and put all my love and energy into for the sole purpose of her and her alone, she immediately takes upon a higher level of passion, feeling, and intensity of said feelings. I've experienced similar results when visualizing and focusing intensely on the point of contact, and seeing/feeling energy, or perhaps essence, even, moving therein. I notice my wife sometimes respond almost immediately without conscious awareness that internally I am focusing/visualizing. (11-05-2015, 02:56 PM)Jeremy Wrote: She's said things like we suddenly appeared as if we were floating in mid air circling each other. Other times its like one giant white ball that we've been swallowed in. Other times being in a whirlwind spinning so fast she had to stop for a minute. Do you incorporate meditation into sexual energy exchanges in any way? Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi
11-09-2015, 02:50 AM
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(11-08-2015, 11:36 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Adonai, I don't call saying yes to a partners desire despite my own waning in comparison, Then laying there for their enjoyment rape. I do call guilt tripping me or psychologically manipulating somewhat rapey, if my full desire isn't to be with that person and they pushed me into it without a choice, I'd say yer right next to rape, close enough for me to feel like I'm being taken advantage of. Is not being made to act against your own will always rape on some level, especially if everything is based on Ra's theory of everything being a sexual transfer on the metaphysical color spectrum? Is this not a denial of transfer, a blockage on every level?
11-09-2015, 04:23 AM
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11-09-2015, 05:21 AM
I'm sure you need to calm down and see how the same hysteria you condemn you've taken unto yourself.
There is a manner of guilting someone that is akin to manipulating someone to make them do what you want. Its in that context the potential to actually be talked into something you don't want rest's. If that isn't a form of what Adonai has described as rape then it is not rape but still not very nice, if you want a gentle manner of description, in my opinion. I don't have much of an example, I just forget how sensitive people are to the phrase 'somewhat rapey'. Where I don't see it as rape but next to it. Having been there myself as a kid, I'd say its 'rapey' enough to be considered unethical. Guilt tripping is psychologically pointless like Fukushina Radiation is physically harmless. If you're a kind uninformed being, a guilt trip can take you far. Or just kind at all a stranger can pull some gentle actions from you with some sly guilt tripping. Its a tool, its as pointless as is you or I. Adonai, its hard to say, this is a gray (or very dark gray) ethical zone where not all instances are even remotely the same. I simply need to say, sometimes but not all the time. How you interpret that should tell you your own biases. I'm not too fond of speaking of rape or what constitutes it. If people just fucking respected one another And knew how to openly honestly communicate we'd have less of that bs madness. But I don't live on a happy-go-lucky planet nor am I in a halfway socially decent country. Morally, the logic I'm exposed to from people's societal views are so illogical and nonsensical that I often don't even know how to go about these issues without annoying someone. A white male racist, a black female feminist radical, and a released ex felon white rapist walk into a bar. Humanity discovered that day there was no hope for it. Just my personal opinion of people like that. Yer way or the high way logically will slip right through me. I don't care for your in/sensitivity, I respect it but no one cares about how I see or view things as wrong despite using ethics and morality over laws and regulations. So I have to extend a hearty similarity because trying to point out someone's bias is like trying to tell a cat it has paws by gently grabbing them. Cat don't care, it even pulls away and glares at you. I'd like to not speak of rape anymore in this thread if that's okay. If you desire to discuss it lets go make another thread (Creator knows this forum could use more activity during these times) as I have no issue discussing it as a subject, but not in this thread where I'm trying to focus on spiritual sex and not degrading forced sex. Hope you understand... I'll go make the thread if you want o:
11-09-2015, 07:10 AM
Last word: I believe all forms of control are tantamount to rape of some kind if one were to believe in Ra's sexual transfer theory as tantamount.
11-09-2015, 11:40 AM
Adonai, you are using the term "rape", but I think the term you mean is "negative energy transfer". If you see them as synonymous, so be it, but I believe that someone can be willing to submit to a more powerful entity. I do understand your extreme repulsion to the idea.
earth_spirit, you know why there's female hysteria about being raped? Because the statistics, which are most definitely under reported, say that 1 in 6 women in my country will be raped or be physically assaulted where the end-goal is rape. I've been raped. And not by words, but by an actual penis while I was sleeping. I've have friends who were raped. I see the statistics and the status quo where colleges suppress any sexual assault so that parents aren't afraid to send their children away. So, it's shocking for you to be so blasé about such a thing. We hardly have a "feminist hysteria rape culture" when most sexual assaults don't even get reported as crimes. And as far as any false rape claims, yeah, they exist, and they get a lot of attention when they do. IN FACT! My husband was accused of rape by his girlfriend when he was 17! And it effectively ruined his life (wiped out his college savings, made him quit high school, put him on the sex offender registry, etc) Eventually she dropped it, but you know what? He would agree with everything I wrote and staunchly disagree with you. Because he recognizes that the rare times that a false accusation is made are just a minute fraction of all the rapes that don't go reported because too many girls are afraid of being villainized as liars or whores. So, these are the opinions of real people who have been through the trauma that you mentioned. Nothing is so black and white. I don't blame the girl who falsely accused him, and neither does he - she was a 17 year old girl who had an abusive father who's wrath she was trying to avoid. Humans have motivations that are much more nuanced than all women being predatory towards males for their own gain. And, I tried to read the second link you posted, but it was full of more visceral misogyny. Why? Do you think the sexes are so imbalanced that women have all the power? Do you think that it's more desirable to be a woman than a man in our society? I'm just curious about your feelings regarding these things, especially since you say you've opted out of hetereonormative relationships.
11-09-2015, 02:31 PM
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11-09-2015, 03:11 PM
Quote:What you mentally register as "full of visceral misogyny" could be an emotional outlet for men who are rebuffed and alienated at every other aspect of their lives. I don't know, it could even be a place where men can freely discuss their opinions without feminist / SJW thought-policing. This is precisely why I curbed my urge to remove your link(s), as they are borderline hate speech, but I understand it is an outlet for those who feel oppressed by their circumstances. However, if you take those links and change the instances of man vs. woman to a racial thing, like white vs. asian, it would be clearly recognized as hate speech by all. Quote:With respect, this thread has nothing to do with me. And I am not looking to be psychoanalyzed by someone who thinks of a very large number of men as rapists. I am no statistician, but I wonder approximately how many men you are incriminating with your dubious "1 in 6 women assaulted with sexual intent" claim. Well, you came and inserted your opinions in this thread, which you admitted were inciting. You of course don't have to answer my question, but you shouldn't be so shocked when someone asks you to represent the basis of your opinions. And as far as the statistic, I think it is it is probable to be true. That doesn't mean 1 in 6 men are rapists, as I'm assuming many actual rapists are repeat offenders, but I think when you factor in alcohol, drugs, hormones, pornography, and all the confusion of our modern day world and situations, that it's likely 1 in 6 women have felt like a man was aggressively coming on to her, and if she didn't defend herself staunchly, unwanted sex would occur. Why is that so hard for you to fathom? You admit that you believe women have lower sex drives than men, and that men are ruled by their testosterone, so I think these ideas are compatible. It sounds like your solution is that women should just suck it up and find an easily stoked sex-drive somewhere and utilize it for the benefit of men. Again, I'm just trying to get to the root of your opinion. Do you feel it comes from a place of unconditional love?
11-09-2015, 03:51 PM
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11-09-2015, 04:10 PM
They used to use saltpeter in the military to reduce sex drive in men. I heard that but haven't verified it.
11-09-2015, 06:53 PM
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(11-09-2015, 11:40 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Adonai, you are using the term "rape", but I think the term you mean is "negative energy transfer". If you see them as synonymous, so be it, but I believe that someone can be willing to submit to a more powerful entity. I do understand your extreme repulsion to the idea. All infringements are one and the same, even those upon the self. One can willingly hurt themselves but there is still a negation, a negative use of will against the will. A negation, a negative transfer of anything is controlling, seizing a thing by preventing it to navigate to one thing and only towards another; A denial of Oneness. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term...in_frame=0 Let us admit rape is complete control over somebody's body; Their awareness and their foundational sexual awareness held in complete controlled monopoly for a moment and etc. This even precedes the sexual act itself as one is made emotionally desperate and controlled into the full act. This is the nature of thought control. (11-08-2015, 11:36 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:(11-08-2015, 10:54 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I understand not being in the mood, it just means there's something up and I'm not feeling up to this right now for various reasons (of which I figure were/are valid). I disagree in the extreme. A back rub is quite different than any sexual encounter. During any sex at all, energetic parts of our beings are awakened and energies are exchanged. Think just of the energies involved in creating another life form. These energies are there whether or not we want to have a baby. It's ludicrous to suggest that a woman should satisfy her man when she doesn't want to, and vice versa. That's what consensual means. If there is a difference in sexual desires, then perhaps the relationship is not working, and the partners aren't suited (not, do something I don't want to do to keep my man happy). Many games are played in the average relationship. But I would hope that spiritual seekers, man or woman, would employ higher ideals to a relationship: understanding, patience, compassion. If a man has levels of testosterone he can't handle in this context, putting the burden on his mate is not the answer. Deciding if the relationship is working would be a good first step. If it is, then satisfy the imbalance in another way: masturbation or a second partner who wants to engage. (11-08-2015, 11:36 AM)earth_spirit Wrote: According to Wikipedia (not a very good source I might add) Sixty Shades of Gray sold at least 60 million copies. There are many such books and their target audience is women. Combine this with the popularity of "bad boys, players and jerks" among women instead of "nice guys" who get friendzoned into oblivion. Think of the "rape culture" where feminists blow rape statistics way out of proportion as a means of projecting their sleazy fantasies on the entire male gender, in addition to demonizing them of course. You seem really, really angry.
11-09-2015, 11:59 PM
Differences of opinions in a semantic way, I think we all gave a good idea to each other of our views.
E_S, I was referring women to men in my post regards guilting. I've been accused of rape, but everyone knew she was full of crap. I also have a son who I fail every day so, you know, black and white mix to become...? Men guilt trip for sex. Fact in America at least. If you refuse to see how manipulation can turn into rape, we live in separate realities. Just like you should reverse your logic's placement of man and woman just to see what areas are still true. I agree there is some kind of culture of rape crying wolf for manipulative reasons, I'd even say its very intuitive a way to manipulate, using sex as a weapon. But I don't see it as prevalent as you say. I also, being a guy who dated and loved a girl who was raped, can see Jade's stats adding up, especially in colleges and universities where people party hard and don't always remain caring. I'm actually surprised Diana. I expected masturbation but I haven't seen anyone mention a second partner in a while. Its kind of refreshing seeing a different view. Quite a myriad of views on the sexes. Some are engendered into the personality, others blur the line. Some abuse the powers to be, others treasure there identity and sexually while others loath their being. -Cough- I personally would rather be a female. Just a preference I've grown over the years. Maybe its for all the wrong reasons, but I think I'd be a bit happier in terms of my body and my want to be alone often. -Shrug-
11-10-2015, 07:22 AM
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11-10-2015, 07:59 AM
I can agree with that term for rape. I also said manipulation is not rape as per yer points, and I can stick by that especially for more stringent associations such as legally.
The guilt trip argument was begun by you. I won't defend my views if you'll argue them, I'll just gloss over (probably with glitter gloss) and continue on as I think you settled it very well in the last post. It is a pointless argument as it doesn't pertain to rape or spiritual oriented sex but its own distortion of mannerism. Also, I wish i could include tone of voice Our misinterpretation of what you've said is also on you. There's a nice quote explaining why this is but I'd rather just disclaimer this now. Sexual differences is a charged topic in society. We meet your viewd often in a much more harsh light whereas you've now made it clear you're not a part of that crowd... I still disagree with your views but that is out of respect. FOR ALL I KNOW, you're not wrong. I've certainly dated women as you've explained. But I like to leave it at being shallow if they're crude to me because of my looks, or possibly have issues if they randomly go crazy over something small, or hypocritical if they act as such. But dude I still try. My experience says don't keep trying but I'd want the right person for me not to give up so I don't just stop either. I do now wait and see if they'll show interest in me if I notice I'm the only one doing it. But E_S, just add additional info with such views that silence our inherently ingrained social reflexes to point out how things sound sexist or unfair or some manner of butthurt on our end if you don't want to deal with us getting edgy about such views. I know that IS asking a lot but until we actually get your view without all the dark additional points that we're used to accompanying such a view we will misunderstand... I am sorry for that too... I do apologize, I'm sorry communication is this way. I find it very highly frustrating myself. I especially had those moments with Jade a some time ago as (and no offense Jade) she does reiterate views with differing words. I don't think any of us intend to skew you, and I'll try not to as well as it isn't fair, I apologize again, E_S. Please see I meant no insult. I can't speak for others, but I see where your views come from only enough to not blame you for them. I tried to stop being hetero, I'm sadly not as free as you'd think regards my sexuality. Its pretty set. I actually just had a thought! You see Ra makes mention of homosexuality as not being green ray harmonious unless love is specifically involved in the homosexual intercourse. In fact its made out to sound like homosexuality isn't natural at all but a side effect of being too closely populated. What's your opinion of homosexual energy transfers? I personally think they're no different from hetero in terms of intent and occurrence, but it'd seem the mechanics are varied. But my argument was not everyone is purely masculine or feminine, a man can be feminine majority, and a woman can be masculine majority providing the two needed energies to create that kind of interaction leading to intercourse or sexual involvement. (I wonder how foreplay and such energetically occur throughout the sequence of actions too but I was gonna ask that after I asked the above.) Thoughts?
11-10-2015, 08:50 AM
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11-10-2015, 11:36 AM
Hah, you're talking about sexy foreplay! I miss that the most from my relationship, that small flirts in public or just when together, the constant building up of each other letting each other know we want each other.
It's funny, that phrase, "I want to find a male partner, worship his body, and please him." Is literally the phrase I tried using to help me explore homosexuality. I actually am a bit sheepish to speak personally on the subject of my trying to be more open sexually. I do identify as bi, since I wouldn't say no to a guy if it was the right kind of guy. It's just in general, I don't find men attractive or sexually appealing even when trying to be open. I can be open and find them sexy or attractive in a feminine sense of biological traits drawing one in, but beyond that, my natural bodily reaction to men even in a position for intercourse, is not typically one capable of intercourse ._. You may say that is lacking openmindedness, I think any more openminded and I'd be betraying my natural self by forcing myself to be ways I'm not naturally like through openmindedness. As a feminine guy, life is incredibly hard to me socially. Many things and mannerisms of logic in society just literally don't connect to me. I don't differentiate black and white (even if I call everything an n-word in my mind when I'm going crazy with anger) nor do I typically differentiate between men and women (even if I call everything a c-word in my mind when I'm going crazy with anger -cough- ), nor do I typically differentiate between status (even if I call everything a...I guess I can't acronym the sentence, it's too long and I'm not typing that out...) but I still hold the judgments and they fly my friends, they do. But at the end of the day, I even apologize to those people in my mind who I verbally assaulted with gratuitous and severe profanity, racism, sexism, and every form of ism that is degrading and cruel, because being all things, I am also cruel in my mind. Another picked up trait from getting to know my darker side, which I don't typically showcase in action, only in word when alone, and often in thought when people drive me mad. Which is not very, usual, but sometimes I'll have a bad day and one person can set me off, but normally, it's my mom who sets me up for an entire days worth of struggling with maintaining my anger. But overall, I'm a very quiet, docile, gentle guy who's much more logic-intuitive based with extreme scales of emotions being possible because of it (I call it magnifying emotions through logic based thoughts designed to perpetuate an emotion, also, I have no idea why I have such extreme emotions) but I generally have them in check socially, it's really just alone I will pop off, snap, stress up, seethe, creak, then explode. I imagine anyone sensitive enough to energy lingering in the air will walk into my house and immediately feel the storms, the sheer hurricanes of horrific rage and horror and madness that I have to deposit out of my mind, that I can't handle inside of me, that I just suck up all around me, a deep blackish red anger that just explodes from me because I'm very upset and angry. Thankfully I don't get physical, just scream, cry, scream more, scream, scream a lot, curse my higher self, OIC, universe, for having such a very dark and disturbing reality amongst other descriptors... I'm feminine in masculine ways I guess? I'unno how to explain it, I don't know how to properly label myself with those terms. I'm me, I'm a friggen natural freak of nature human. I once had a thought that I technically feel such a way as to identify as transgender, but I really don't like the stigma and stupidity of judgment attached to the word, so I just reference myself as bi, male, and myself. I personally like sex both ways. It's nice when it's an open and honest occurrence, I've had a few halfway okay homosexual encounters, but the guys were pretty similar to the same girls I've referenced as reminding me of the types you referenced in your previous posts, E_S. It's not just girls, guys suck too lol. Actually, I've learned that Humans just suck. And usually, not very well (LOL...). The euphemisms forgive me mods
11-10-2015, 11:41 AM
(11-09-2015, 03:51 PM)earth_spirit Wrote:(11-09-2015, 03:11 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: This is precisely why I curbed my urge to remove your link(s), as they are borderline hate speech, but I understand it is an outlet for those who feel oppressed by their circumstances. However, if you take those links and change the instances of man vs. woman to a racial thing, like white vs. asian, it would be clearly recognized as hate speech by all. Obviously I didn't edit your post and wouldn't, however I still felt it was my place to make a point that I felt that they were inappropriate discussions on our STO, Law of One forum. You are right that there are more appropriate platforms. However, I am grateful that you chose to share your catalyst here with us, I just have no problem pointing out when I think something is completely devoid of green-ray energy. Quote:(11-09-2015, 03:11 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: but I think when you factor in alcohol, drugs, hormones, pornography, and all the confusion of our modern day world and situations, that it's likely 1 in 6 women have felt like a man was aggressively coming on to her, and if she didn't defend herself staunchly, unwanted sex would occur. Why is that so hard for you to fathom? You admit that you believe women have lower sex drives than men, and that men are ruled by their testosterone, so I think these ideas are compatible. It sounds like your solution is that women should just suck it up and find an easily stoked sex-drive somewhere and utilize it for the benefit of men. Again, I'm just trying to get to the root of your opinion. Do you feel it comes from a place of unconditional love? Why would you diminish someone's personal experience? What someone feels is about all they've got to work with. Not to mention, all these men in prisons falsely accused of rape is a strawman - again, my husband was accused of rape, and spent no time in prison. I know it's hard to gauge who is "innocent" when they've been convicted, but again... I feel it is a strawman. Extensive prison time for a single, unprovable rape just doesn't happen. Heck, people who are accused of raping numerous children sometimes get a relative slap on the wrist (to say, some of the lifers who are in for selling marijuana). Do you also diminish the free-will experiences of the men who, on a subconscious level, desire the experience of the falsely accused and imprisoned? Quote:And for the record, I did not say that men "are ruled by their testosterone". That was an exaggeration / hyperbole on your part. I do not have such a condescending view of men. Quote:if are asking whether I think men are more lustful.. Yes I do. Life is a bit tricky when your body is constantly pumping testosterone into your bloodstream. This implies that you think testosterone has a control on a man's life that it doesn't have on a woman's. Not to mention, the link from "therationalmale.com" is almost solely about testosterone in males making them different from women. Quote:I don't have a workable solution. Even if I had one, you can trust me that it would count on absolutely nothing from women. Maybe a drug that temporarily shuts down male sex drive. In a saner world I would ask for a little personal responsibility from women, that they avoid sleazy bars or ambiguous situations with drugs and alcohol. That is unacceptable in polite society. I feel this is another strawman argument of yours- who says women don't care about the men who are being abused?? I care about it all! This is just like the "black lives matter" stuff - of course, all lives matter, the point is not to elevate a certain group as more worthy or deserving - the point is to draw attention to a critical problem within a certain population segment. Predominantly, it's African Americans who get murdered by cops when they are unarmed, innocent civilians. Predominantly, women are the victims of sexual assault by men. This doesn't mean that no one cares when a black guys shoots a cop - some may see justice, but those who know true compassion just see a perpetuation of brutality. You say you love men - do you believe a woman can love a man as much as you do?
11-10-2015, 11:57 AM
11-10-2015, 01:23 PM
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11-10-2015, 01:44 PM
(11-10-2015, 01:23 PM)earth_spirit Wrote:(11-10-2015, 11:36 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I'unno how to explain it, I don't know how to properly label myself with those terms. I'm me, I'm a friggen natural freak of nature human. I once had a thought that I technically feel such a way as to identify as transgender, but I really don't like the stigma and stupidity of judgment attached to the word, so I just reference myself as bi, male, and myself. May I suggest that both of you stop labeling yourselves? No one is a freak. We all are unique. Love can happen under any circumstances. Yes, if you are different than the herd (mainstream humans) you will have challenges. But I say screw the brainwashed herd and be yourself. Discover your core being and explore that. Self-talk and beliefs about self are important. Don't let society tell you what that self-talk should be or what to believe. It's not easy deconstructing conditioning and it may never cease because the input from society doesn't. But it's worth attacking those parts of self that don't serve, and society's BS judgments are one of those things. There is a fantastic scene in the last season of Sons of Anarchy. It's between a transgender "woman" and one of the gnarliest and violent Sons. It's so moving and beautiful. It's completely outside the box of what society would deem sane or acceptable. It is so well done (and the show was so popular) that I consider it on the cutting edge of changing society's rigid prejudices.
11-10-2015, 01:51 PM
You seem to be fixated on a statistic that I provided that I acquired through a rape victim support organization (https://rainn.org/get-information/statis...lt-victims), while you continually quote me things from websites that are pure opinion manifestos. You say 22 years ago people there were men who were acquitted through DNA when testing became ubiquitous? Great! Then to rephrase my question, how many men are being imprisoned without DNA evidence - today? When my husband was accused, they removed the couch cushions from his house to test for DNA - which of course proved he had had sex with his girlfriend. Still no prison. (~1997)
I'm not trying to be cold or indifferent about false imprisonment, but it happens across the board for all crimes, not just rape. You appear demonizing women so especially for something that is perpetuated by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, not just sexual power trips or whatever. Rainn.org also says 1 in 33 men experience rape or sexual assault - which isn't a number to scoff at, either. The websites you have linked have their own issues with statistics, but I won't draw them out here because I don't think that's the issue. Quote:Likewise it is not strawman to point out the suffering of men in the face of dubious feminist talking points. Never once did I say that you do not care about men. You asked rhetorically, "How many people care about men who are the recipient of all kinds of violence (from other men AND women), rape, false rape accusations, homicide, male genital mutilation, conscription, homelessness and suicide? The vast majority of suicides are committed by men. I refuse to let their voices drown out in feminist hysteria.". I took that in context that you believe that nobody, or very few, care.
11-10-2015, 03:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-19-2019, 11:33 PM by earth_spirit.)
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