The great experiments
11-13-2015, 09:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-13-2015, 09:42 AM by Minyatur.)
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We are told that we are the result of an experiment which is part of a great number of successive experiments.

I don't remember the Ra material stating what this experiment is an experiment of for the Logos itself, which leaves a door to interpretation.

So what do you think it is an experiment of ultimately?

My take is that it is an experiment of unconditional love.

There is no self in the sense of separate individuality, yet there is one prevailing identity.
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11-13-2015, 10:01 AM,
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RE: The great experiments
from my understanding of things, it was an experiment/exploration of Finity.

Quote:13.12 Questioner: Could you tell me how intelligent infinity became, shall we say (I’m having difficulty with some of the language), how intelligent infinity became individualized from itself?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an appropriate question.

The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One.

Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness.

Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present.

the Law of Love and the Law of Light came after this first Law of Free Will.

The freedom to explore perceptions of Beingness is what initiated (and continues) the process.
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11-13-2015, 10:08 AM,
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RE: The great experiments
to answer your question more specifically, our Logos chose a more 'vivid' experience:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This creation is somewhat more condensed by its Logos than some other Logoi have chosen. Thus each experience of the Creator by the Creator in this system of distortions is, relatively speaking, more bright or, as we said, vivid.

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(11-13-2015, 09:40 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:  My take is that it is an experiment of unconditional love.

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11-13-2015, 11:13 AM,
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RE: The great experiments
I meant it more in term of the passing down of free will through the veiling process, which of course is an extension of what you have stated and is to create a more vivid experience of Creator by Creator.

Quote:79.27 Questioner: I was just wondering since this seems to be the crux of the experiment— this seems to be the large breaking point between no extension of the first distortion and the extension of the first distortion— what the result of this original experiment was with respect to that which was created from it. What was the result of that?
Ra: I am Ra. This is previously covered material. The result of these experiments has been a more vivid, varied, and intense experience of Creator by Creator.

I see it as unconditional love because the Logos allows sub-Logoi to distort themselves unlike what it is itself. Prior to the veiling experiment, I'd say sub-Logoi could only be a harmonized reflection of the Logos which did not offer intense experiences for the Creator of Himself. As such through the passing down of free will we are allowed to create our own experience to our likings.

I think it is interesting to note that the veil created the possibility of the service to self polarity, yet this polarity extends far beyond the veiled experience.

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12-24-2015, 08:03 PM,
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RE: The great experiments
(11-13-2015, 09:40 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:  My take is that it is an experiment of unconditional love.


At the level of 6th density this is probably true. From where we stand and suffer it is far different. If you want to understand the intended outcome of the experiment, investigate the history and present activities of the Transhumanist Agenda, now known as (http://humanityplus.org/) Humanity+, a social, political and technological agenda to transform humanity into (http://www.posthumanism.com/) a race of post-human cyber-beings.

As far-fetched as it may sound, this agenda already has its (http://singularityu.org/) own university, (http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/692318/1f6277d099/282259487/15ec2d63bf/) newsletters, (http://lecturelist.org/content/view_institution/1019) lecture circuits, (https://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html) technologies, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11310031/Meet-the-Transhumanist-Party-Want-to-live-forever-Vote-for-me.html) political parties, (http://www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/values.html) code of values, (http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/08/top-ten-transhumanist-movies/) movies, and (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11310031/Meet-the-Transhumanist-Party-Want-to-live-forever-Vote-for-me.html) billions of dollars in funding available from (http://www.famouswhy.com/List/c/Transhumanists/) many of the (http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/14991) world's wealthiest and (http://2045.com/dialogue/29819.html) most influential people.

Its policies are already shaping the (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/in-september-2015-agenda-21-will-be-transformed-into-the-2030-agenda) Corporate Globalization Agenda with major consequences for all the world's peoples. Those who ignore it will be its first victims; those who embrace it do so in hope of joining the new ruling elite. And it also has an arrival date in an event called (http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/08/top-ten-transhumanist-movies/) the "singularity": (http://2045.com/) 2045.
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12-25-2015, 01:30 AM,
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RE: The great experiments
Given Ra's oh-so-brief comments about there being Light-Bringers from beyond the 8th Density, who do things like helping to regulate the Harvest and teaching 6D entities, that directly implies that in the REALLY big picture our Creator is only one of many and/or that there are levels of Oneness which even transcend our concept of Infinity. (ie, if our Creator is all there is, how could there be entities from beyond?)

So I tend to think that the grand experiment has to do with self-optimization or self-actualization at the Creator's level which are necessary or useful for whatever goals or challenges exist beyond infinity. Maybe our Creator even has a peer group, so to speak.

A lot of it boils down to one of my big questions about the cosmos which undoubtedly has an answer but is just too big in scope for US to ever be able to answer it: is the Creator affected by Entropy? Given that Ra puts a high emphasis on optimization, without a clear reason why, Entropy would be a pretty good reason. It would also then explain why self-optimization would be needed. But that's pure speculation and, as I say, I'm sure none of us will know the truth of that one while in this incarnation.

Time will tell.  It always does.
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12-25-2015, 06:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-25-2015, 06:33 AM by Night Owl.)
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RE: The great experiments
I like to think entropy is still part of the creation process of the creator. I don't think you can seperate destruction from the process of creation. In fact it seems to be a core principle of creation. Entropy is what brings change, improvement and infinite potential to the process of creation. They are like ying yang.

How do you create a new form of art? You basically inspire yourself upon something existing but you destroy what was first a foundation of the original creation process to explore a new angle of this art.

How do you create a new technology? You inspire yourself from existing concepts but you build upon new needs and ideas (the old concept is destroyed and replaced with a new one) to bring this thing further.


What's cool is that if there is a creator outside of entropy and that all of intelligent infinity's information is outside of it too, entropy would only have an impact through time as what is timeless wouldn't be affected by entropy for it to be remembered or stocked somewhere. I don't know if that could ever be scientificly proved but it would mean entropy is located in our part of creation. There must also be part of creation without entropy.

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12-25-2015, 04:59 PM,
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RE: The great experiments
Perhaps experience. Our experience I think is the most "vivid" possible. We can experience an infinite amount of pain potentially. Same goes with joy, although when I feel joy it's only like 5 seconds at the most.
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12-25-2015, 06:02 PM,
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I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 
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12-26-2015, 12:57 AM,
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(12-25-2015, 06:02 PM)darklight Wrote:  I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 

I once in distress asked Ra to get me out of here. It didn't work.
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12-26-2015, 09:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-26-2015, 09:20 PM by airwaves.)
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(12-26-2015, 12:57 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  
(12-25-2015, 06:02 PM)darklight Wrote:  I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 

I once in distress asked Ra to get me out of here. It didn't work.

Sad  Yeah
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12-26-2015, 10:39 PM,
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(12-25-2015, 06:02 PM)darklight Wrote:  I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 

Ra is still within this octave and under the design of our logos so no,  Ra can't do anything about it lol. 

Do you all really think think our existence is that bad?? 
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01-04-2016, 07:36 AM,
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(12-26-2015, 10:39 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(12-25-2015, 06:02 PM)darklight Wrote:  I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 


Do you all really think think our existence is that bad?? 

There are some of us, wanderers and suchlike ilk, who, in order to stay sane, have to constantly remind ourselves that we are here for a reason. 3D has a way of disconnecting a person, and that is a lonely experience on a cold planet.
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01-04-2016, 08:58 AM,
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(11-13-2015, 09:40 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:  We are told that we are the result of an experiment which is part of a great number of successive experiments.

I don't remember the Ra material stating what this experiment is an experiment of for the Logos itself, which leaves a door to interpretation.

So what do you think it is an experiment of ultimately?

My take is that it is an experiment of unconditional love.

I think it is the male/female aspect of the self. Once I went really deep and found out that the male/female aspect is a part of the Original Thought of this octave, but this is my own understanding. I do not, however, think that it was an experiment of unconditional love. I think Love is the energy that binds everything together, not simply in this octave but as a primal principle of infinity. In order for any creation to exist, there must be the super complex, omnipotent energy of Love covering it. Now, the feeling of unconditional love could be present in an octave and indeed we find ourselves in such an octave. But in another creation there might not be a feeling of unconditional love until one reaches the 'source', so in this regard I could agree with you. It's just a game with different rules, but the metas of the game, highly mysterious and eternal, nevertheless remain untouched.
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01-27-2019, 12:25 PM,
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RE: The great experiments
(11-13-2015, 11:13 AM)Minyatur Wrote:  I meant it more in term of the passing down of free will through the veiling process, which of course is an extension of what you have stated and is to create a more vivid experience of Creator by Creator.


Quote:79.27 Questioner: I was just wondering since this seems to be the crux of the experiment— this seems to be the large breaking point between no extension of the first distortion and the extension of the first distortion— what the result of this original experiment was with respect to that which was created from it. What was the result of that?
Ra: I am Ra. This is previously covered material. The result of these experiments has been a more vivid, varied, and intense experience of Creator by Creator.

I see it as unconditional love because the Logos allows sub-Logoi to distort themselves unlike what it is itself. Prior to the veiling experiment, I'd say sub-Logoi could only be a harmonized reflection of the Logos which did not offer intense experiences for the Creator of Himself. As such through the passing down of free will we are allowed to create our own experience to our likings.

I think it is interesting to note that the veil created the possibility of the service to self polarity, yet this polarity extends far beyond the veiled experience.

Right because harvest, is a harvest of information, of ideas, of possibilities, of desires. The Creator came up with a new concept, that just like free will be extended to sub sub logos, was "previously" untapped. It's like with in manyness is an algomation of unending possibilities and ideas.
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05-06-2019, 04:10 PM,
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(01-04-2016, 07:36 AM)deep blue ocean Wrote:  
(12-26-2015, 10:39 PM)Jeremy Wrote:  
(12-25-2015, 06:02 PM)darklight Wrote:  I'm tired of all that experiments. Ra, get me out of this place!!! Angry Big Grin 


Do you all really think think our existence is that bad?? 

There are some of us, wanderers and suchlike ilk, who, in order to stay sane, have to constantly remind ourselves that we are here for a reason. 3D has a way of disconnecting a person, and that is a lonely experience on a cold planet.

The best way to leave this experience is to master the experience and stop disliking it.
The only way out is up. The only way out of your personal pain is up. The only way to feel comfortable is by going up. And to make matters more confusing....to feel connection, love and comfort is to feel disconnect, hate and discomfort. You have to learn to love all that is ugly and accept the unacceptable but at a deep level. You must utilize each of your experiences and let them become the healer in your life so that you can become free from the 3rd density experience.
I wish you well.
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05-06-2019, 10:25 PM,
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Whenever I felt lonely or lost I would think of the Earth and how she is generous despite whatever we do to her. Gratitude is a great grounding thing.. Wink
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