How Do STS's View Other Selves?
03-03-2016, 05:00 PM,
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I think of STO radiation like the sun. The Sun shines brightly on all that it touches. It doesn't pick and choose - things can hide from it, or clouds can obscure it, but the sun does it's best to give light indiscriminately to everything. I think that's how I see mid-6th density STO.

STS would be a tree that deliberately grows to overshadow you. It tries to take all the light as its own and offer none to anyone else. As it grows larger and larger, everything beneath it withers because of the lack of light it is receiving.

It's a rough analogy but I don't see (mid 6th density) STO as choosing only to serve what resonates with it. I see what you mean but I don't think it's 100% accurate, especially not in the higher densities when you become light.

And yes, before STS existence was monotone. No one is saying let's get rid of STS. Quite the contrary. I'm just trying to encourage people to consciously use polarity in the light of its intention and powers.

Quote:If Ra calls it the path of that which is not, it seems more to hint that Ra as a whole hasn't fully distilled the mirror it is unto itself. What is is what we all are.

In the quote I posted, Ra meant it literally. STS is the path that is not the full spectrum of light, ie without the green-ray, the center ray.
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03-03-2016, 05:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 05:02 PM by anagogy.)
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(03-03-2016, 04:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  The STO path does not serve all others, it serves what is resonant with itself which within Oneness isn't all that different from serving self, except with a more outward focus.

If the STS path is a path of falsities and that which is not to the STO path, then the STO path is a path of naive self-righteousness and denial of a truthful exploration of self.

If Ra calls it the path of that which is not, it seems more to hint that Ra as a whole hasn't fully distilled the mirror it is unto itself. What is is what we all are.

"7.15 Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly."
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03-03-2016, 05:30 PM,
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Is not Ra the one that sees separation, he speaks of others and project this concept unto them as if they were somehow breaking the ever constant unity underlying all things.

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03-03-2016, 05:39 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 04:57 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 04:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  If Ra calls it the path of that which is not, it seems more to hint that Ra as a whole hasn't fully distilled the mirror it is unto itself. What is is what we all are.

Because we know better than a bagillion year old social memory complex that has probably had more experience with negative beings than we will our entire earthly lives?

Are you saying you know more about a concept that was explicated and brought up by Ra in the first place, without which, none of us would even know about this concept in the first place?

Ra does more of giving keys to awaken what is known than actually teach things anew.

(03-03-2016, 04:57 PM)anagogy Wrote:  The "path of separation" is called the "path of that which is not" because separation isn't real.  STO denies the separation, STS affirms the separation.  I don't see the problem or why such revulsion to it being called the path of that which is not.

Perhaps because your words affirm separation rather than denying it.

If you want to speak of what is not then you can talk about all things, manyness included. Even the STO polarity exists only within a certain set of illusions and falseties.

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03-03-2016, 05:39 PM,
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I think its important to distinguish between separation and differences.  I don't think they are precisely the same thing.  Things have different aspects, but are still one.  Ra acknowledges that we see ourselves as separate from one another, and they have to relate to us in that regard otherwise they would be speaking in sixth density terms that our third density understanding of reality probably couldn't cope with.  But I know, for example, in session one Ra said,

"Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other personality."  
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03-03-2016, 05:42 PM,
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I think to describe what is as what is not is extremely paradoxal whatever way I look at it.

How is it not simple denial of portions of yourself that your own reality mirrors back to you?

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03-03-2016, 05:46 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 05:39 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  Perhaps because your words affirm separation rather than denying it.

If you want to speak of what is not then you can talk about all things, manyness included. Even the STO polarity exists only within a certain set of illusions and falseties.

My words affirm the illusion of separation, because I don't deny that I see an illusion of separation, as all occupants of 3rd density do.  And no one argued that STO polarity isn't dependent on a limited viewpoint.  Any perspective that is not aware of itself as the one infinite creator would have to be some kind of limited viewpoint.  I think all anyone was saying that STO is more balanced.  And I think that is a valid argument, given the fact of "spiritual entropy" inherent in separation, and the fact that sixth density STS switches over to STO.  And also due to the fact they don't use all energy centers (as the STO polarity does).  Nobody is saying the STS path is wrong or bad, just less balanced ultimately, which again, is a very plausible assertion given all the factors I just brought up.
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03-03-2016, 05:53 PM,
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My point is more that the STS path does not see things through the same manner as Ra speaks of it.

All knows fully well that their experience of themselves is that of others just as that of others also is the experience of themselves.

This leads to that when Ra speaks of separation or STS path, they speak of what they perceives from the mirror unto themselves.

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03-03-2016, 06:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 06:03 PM by anagogy.)
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(03-03-2016, 05:53 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  My point is more that the STS path does not see things through the same manner as Ra speaks of it.

All knows fully well that their experience of themselves is that of others just as that of others also is the experience of themselves.

This leads to that when Ra speaks of separation or STS path, they speak of what they perceives from the mirror unto themselves.

From my perspective, Ra knows more about the STS path than any of us ever will.  Especially considering that by sixth density more than a few negatively polarized beings will have switched over and joined their social memory complex.  In such a case, how could they possibly not have intimate experiential knowledge of what is involved on that path by that point? I mean we are talking billions of years of experience here.

So judging by that I'm willing to bet Ra's description of negative polarity will trump any notion you or I can come up with.  But if you think you know better, then nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise.  
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03-03-2016, 06:16 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 04:13 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 03:55 PM)matrix_drumr Wrote:  Obviously they are a minority. Like anything the majority has always tendencies towards confusion.

I don't think they are confused necessarily, just that they sort of relate to polarity like a driver relates to a car.  They understand what makes the car go, they just don't know what's underneath the hood.  Understanding the mechanics isn't necessary for utilizing the engine.  But I'm talking about polarized people, the unpolarized are the confused ones, who haven't figured out how to even put gas in the car yet.  But I digress.

I only said tendencies. When I think about majority I have in mind their habits towards their main activities.

What does the majority eats? crap food full of fat and sugar
What does the majority buy? unecessary things
What does the majority thinks? what is on tv
What does the majority wear? brands
What does the majority listen and watch? radio and tv

it all seems like confusion to me.

Again I'm not saying that's everybody it's just what majority causes as reaction under a veil.

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03-03-2016, 06:27 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 06:16 PM)matrix_drumr Wrote:  it all seems like confusion to me.

Again I'm not saying that's everybody it's just what majority causes as reaction under a veil.

I agree that the majority are confused. The majority are, after all, not polarized. Polarization increases consciousness.
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03-03-2016, 06:38 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 06:02 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 05:53 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  My point is more that the STS path does not see things through the same manner as Ra speaks of it.

All knows fully well that their experience of themselves is that of others just as that of others also is the experience of themselves.

This leads to that when Ra speaks of separation or STS path, they speak of what they perceives from the mirror unto themselves.

From my perspective, Ra knows more about the STS path than any of us ever will.  Especially considering that by sixth density more than a few negatively polarized beings will have switched over and joined their social memory complex.  In such a case, how could they possibly not have intimate experiential knowledge of what is involved on that path by that point?  I mean we are talking billions of years of experience here.

And here you just expressed a limitation of the STO path. I do not believe that every portion of Ra thinks alike and has the exact same wisdom. The wisdom of many even when reflecting truth can easily be buried within a S/M/C.

Ra would be composed mainly by those that have been of the STO path, that is the primary weight of the group and main bias through which the STS path will be seen.

(03-03-2016, 06:02 PM)anagogy Wrote:  So judging by that I'm willing to bet Ra's description of negative polarity will trump any notion you or I can come up with.  But if you think you know better, then nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise.  

And what are we betting exactly? I like bets.

I'd agree in term of a broader spectrum but any wanderer that has experienced eons upon the STS path will have better inhate understanding of any portion of it that their veil is pierced upon.

A repolarized and balanced entity should see nothing other than light and love when gazing upon it's past within the STS path because that is exactly what all things ever are.

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03-03-2016, 07:21 PM,
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I think perhaps you are still seeing the words "the path which is not" with some twist of negative judgement. Again, it's a literal observation. If you take a crystal and fracture its light into the spectrum, it ROY G BIVs out. If you get a ROY _ BIV spectrum, that is not what should be happening. Something is deliberately blocking a fraction of the light, and that something is the veil. The veil creates an artificial gap, indeed because it allows for a more varied experience.

Quote:87.14 Questioner: The Law of Doubling does not work in this way. How much does the power of the social memory complex increase relatively when this single entity is harvested and absorbed into it?

Ra: I am Ra. If one entity in the social memory complex is responsible for this addition to its being, that mind/body/spirit complex will absorb, in linear fashion, the power contained in the, shall we say, recruit. If a sub-group is responsible, the power is then this sub-group’s. Only very rarely is the social memory complex of negative polarity capable of acting totally as one being. The loss of polarity due to this difficulty, to which we have previously referred as a kind of spiritual entropy, is quite large.

It is the natural order of things to progress upwards until we begin to coalesce into a larger portion of the macrocosm. The STS path deliberately avoids this until it is impossible not to. They are only rarely able to work together at all because it depolarizes them. They maximize their separation from the One True Thought of Unity until they can no longer, and then rubber-band back. There is no negative judgement, it's just the way that the other path works. It's still, in its own way, a totally valid representation of unity. But, it is showing the Creator what it is not: separated.

The only reason this wording even holds value is that, before the veil was conceptualized, separation was not conceptualized. The veil was created for the artificial illusion of 3rd density. So for many eons, the Creator only knew of itself as unity. Then it had a novel idea, a great one, to extend this distortion of confusion. In confusion, entities choose the other path. Eventually, they find their way back. Everyone does, because we're all together in this.
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03-03-2016, 07:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 07:42 PM by Elros.)
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(03-03-2016, 07:21 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  I think perhaps you are still seeing the words "the path which is not" with some twist of negative judgement. Again, it's a literal observation. If you take a crystal and fracture its light into the spectrum, it ROY G BIVs out. If you get a ROY _ BIV spectrum, that is not what should be happening. Something is deliberately blocking a fraction of the light, and that something is the veil. The veil creates an artificial gap, indeed because it allows for a more varied experience.

More like I find it paradoxal to call something that is as what is not. Under this scope the STO also is a path of what is not as others are illusions and through serving others you always serve but yourself.

If we go back to the root of our experience, we will find that we are the Creator that wants to know Itself. Have you considered that the STS path does exactly this? And possibly more than the STO path ever did? Which would make it more in sync with our unified desire.

Every instant of self is a servive to all, every act and every thought. For the All is being focused upon the experience of yourself to know Itself.

(03-03-2016, 07:21 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  
Quote:87.14 Questioner: The Law of Doubling does not work in this way. How much does the power of the social memory complex increase relatively when this single entity is harvested and absorbed into it?

Ra: I am Ra. If one entity in the social memory complex is responsible for this addition to its being, that mind/body/spirit complex will absorb, in linear fashion, the power contained in the, shall we say, recruit. If a sub-group is responsible, the power is then this sub-group’s. Only very rarely is the social memory complex of negative polarity capable of acting totally as one being. The loss of polarity due to this difficulty, to which we have previously referred as a kind of spiritual entropy, is quite large.

It is the natural order of things to progress upwards until we begin to coalesce into a larger portion of the macrocosm. The STS path deliberately avoids this until it is impossible not to. They are only rarely able to work together at all because it depolarizes them. They maximize their separation from the One True Thought of Unity until they can no longer, and then rubber-band back. There is no negative judgement, it's just the way that the other path works. It's still, in its own way, a totally valid representation of unity. But, it is showing the Creator what it is not: separated.

I believe the STS path has a greater focus upon striving upward for most part as it seeks to elevate the self as Creator.

A group is useful in a joint focus but it seems dellusioned to think the focus of all it's part was always one or is ever one in it's totality. The potential of many is brought down just as the potential of others can be elevated. Many will deny portions of themselves for the whole but then again, if the desires of self are illusionary then so are those of the others for whom they have been denied within self.

(03-03-2016, 07:21 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  The only reason this wording even holds value is that, before the veil was conceptualized, separation was not conceptualized. The veil was created for the artificial illusion of 3rd density. So for many eons, the Creator only knew of itself as unity. Then it had a novel idea, a great one, to extend this distortion of confusion. In confusion, entities choose the other path. Eventually, they find their way back. Everyone does, because we're all together in this.

There are quite many layers of separation, infinite being a strong possibility.

I'm not so sure I'd equate unity as how you perceive it. To me it seems like an infinitely small facet of what unity truly is.

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03-03-2016, 07:55 PM,
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STS is a greater focus upon wisdom and STO upon love. But if the end goal of our experiences was just love then there would be no point to the experience of ourselves as love already is the very foundation of all of it.

The source which springs forth all of the things seeks through our experiences wisdom and knowledge of love, and the STS path is ever in perfect harmony with this.

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03-03-2016, 08:02 PM,
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Yes, I was referring to the most infinitely small facet of unity at the end of my statement there.

I do not disagree with you. I just do not take any problem with Ra's description of the STS path, either. Of course it is paradoxical, almost all of this is, that is the point. And of course STS offers a much more varied, in-depth, multi-faceted view of creation. And yes, "service to others" involves a high degree of "service to self", that's why those words are not meant to be taken in their singular definition, either. I mean, we can use different descriptions, like "one who spends 3rd density opening the heart chakra" and "one who spends 3rd density bypassing the heart chakra". One of these is deliberately denying a portion of its being, but in doing so offers a gift to the rest of Creation to make it more varied. Paradoxes all around!
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03-03-2016, 08:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 08:09 PM by Elros.)
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(03-03-2016, 08:02 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  Yes, I was referring to the most infinitely small facet of unity at the end of my statement there.

I do not disagree with you. I just do not take any problem with Ra's description of the STS path, either. Of course it is paradoxical, almost all of this is, that is the point. And of course STS offers a much more varied, in-depth, multi-faceted view of creation. And yes, "service to others" involves a high degree of "service to self", that's why those words are not meant to be taken in their singular definition, either. I mean, we can use different descriptions, like "one who spends 3rd density opening the heart chakra" and "one who spends 3rd density bypassing the heart chakra". One of these is deliberately denying a portion of its being, but in doing so offers a gift to the rest of Creation to make it more varied. Paradoxes all around!

I believe the STO path is solely service to self ultimately. The distinction does exist within illusions.

On a sidenote I believe what is required for a negative entity to repolarize is nothing more than healing. This might hint on why love also is the driving force behind that path.

I also believe the STO path includes as much resistance to truth/truths as the STS path does but through different focuses.

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03-03-2016, 09:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 09:19 PM by anagogy.)
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Minyatur, what is more in alignment with unity?

Treating others as equals, with respect -- as you yourself would want to be treated, or treating others as objects to be subjugated? Is this honestly in contest for you?

I just described the two paths. One of them is very obviously more consonant with unity to me.
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03-03-2016, 09:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 09:39 PM by Elros.)
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(03-03-2016, 09:18 PM)anagogy Wrote:  Minyatur, what is more in alignment with unity?  

Treating others as equals, with respect -- as you yourself would want to be treated, or treating others as objects to be subjugated?  Is this honestly in contest for you?

I just described the two paths.  One of them is very obviously more consonant with unity to me.

What is more in alignment with unity?

To give yourself the right to be what you are? or denying this right for the sake of others?



The "as you yourself would want to be treated" is quite good though. Yet no one said the negative path is just about stepping upon others, you'd get quite your own share of being stepped upon and usually don't just end up on it like that because you one day made the choice to because it seemed fun.

What tells you they don't treat others as they want to be treated? Sure there's positive entities trying to send them love, mindless love which knows not a thing about them and does more of hurting than healing. Seems not like how they want to be treated to me.

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03-03-2016, 09:48 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 09:38 PM)Min  yatur Wrote:  What is more in alignment with unity?

To give yourself the right to be what you are? or denying this right for the sake of others?

I don't think they are mutually exclusive.  What we really are is, collectively, the one infinite creator.  So to treat others with equality is catering to the true self.  Catering to the little self to the exclusion of others, is catering to the little self over the greater self.


(03-03-2016, 09:38 PM)Min  yatur Wrote:  The "as you yourself would want to be treated" is quite good though. Yet no one said the negative path is just about stepping upon others, you'd get quite your own share of being stepped upon and usually don't just end up on it like that because you one day made the choice to because it seemed fun.

What tells you they don't treat others as they want to be treated? Sure there's positive entities trying to send them love, mindless love which knows not a thing about them and does more of hurting than healing. Seems not like how they want to be treated to me.

To polarize negatively, you have to step on others.  You have to control them.  I don't know about you, but I don't like to be controlled.
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03-03-2016, 09:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 09:57 PM by Elros.)
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(03-03-2016, 09:48 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 09:38 PM)Min  yatur Wrote:  What is more in alignment with unity?

To give yourself the right to be what you are? or denying this right for the sake of others?

I don't think they are mutually exclusive.  What we really are is, collectively, the one infinite creator.  So to treat others with equality is catering to the true self.  Catering to the little self to the exclusion of others, is catering to the little self over the greater self.


I believe everyone is ever true to itself, if you deny yourself for others then it is what is true to yourself. If you deny others for yourself, then it is also just what is true to yourself.

I'd disagree about the notion of little/greater self, within the little self is focused all of the greater self. Just as All is One, One is also All.

(03-03-2016, 09:48 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 09:38 PM)Min  yatur Wrote:  The "as you yourself would want to be treated" is quite good though. Yet no one said the negative path is just about stepping upon others, you'd get quite your own share of being stepped upon and usually don't just end up on it like that because you one day made the choice to because it seemed fun.

What tells you they don't treat others as they want to be treated? Sure there's positive entities trying to send them love, mindless love which knows not a thing about them and does more of hurting than healing. Seems not like how they want to be treated to me.

To polarize negatively, you have to step on others.  You have to control them.  I don't know about you, but I don't like to be controlled.

Well under the cause and effect and path of experiences which did bring forth your current experience of yourself I guess not. Through each and every single entity's path of experiences that lead toward negative densities, I guess you did.

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03-03-2016, 10:08 PM,
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(03-03-2016, 09:57 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  Well under the cause and effect and path of experiences which did bring forth your current experience of yourself I guess not. Through each and every single entity's path of experiences that lead toward negative densities, I guess you did.

Well, I think I'm gonna bow out of this discussion Minyatur.  It's clear you have very strong opinions about what you believe is the negative path, and it doesn't exactly line with what I read in the Ra material (I hope I'm not being unfair by saying that, but feel free to support your perspective with quotes from the material if you disagree).  

Since my understanding of what polarity is comes from that material, I don't think this conversation will be resolved anytime soon, so I'm gonna leave you to your philosophy that you have created.
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03-03-2016, 11:08 PM,
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Quote:The "as you yourself would want to be treated" is quite good though. Yet no one said the negative path is just about stepping upon others, you'd get quite your own share of being stepped upon and usually don't just end up on it like that because you one day made the choice to because it seemed fun.

What tells you they don't treat others as they want to be treated? Sure there's positive entities trying to send them love, mindless love which knows not a thing about them and does more of hurting than healing. Seems not like how they want to be treated to me.

I just have to point out the humor I see in this line of thought, because I doubt that a negative entity would want anyone to feel anything resembling pity towards it, either, unless of course it can exploit it in some way. Tongue
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03-03-2016, 11:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016, 11:29 PM by Elros.)
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(03-03-2016, 10:08 PM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 09:57 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  Well under the cause and effect and path of experiences which did bring forth your current experience of yourself I guess not. Through each and every single entity's path of experiences that lead toward negative densities, I guess you did.

Well, I think I'm gonna bow out of this discussion Minyatur.  It's clear you have very strong opinions about what you believe is the negative path, and it doesn't exactly line with what I read in the Ra material (I hope I'm not being unfair by saying that, but feel free to support your perspective with quotes from the material if you disagree).  

Since my understanding of what polarity is comes from that material, I don't think this conversation will be resolved anytime soon, so I'm gonna leave you to your philosophy that you have created.

Quote:It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things.

Sure there's this unity thought you speak of but our experiences still are chosen by each of us as an alternative to it.

Quote:You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity.

Like I said just as you don't feel like the STS path is right, through each that did you also did. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event and every situation of the STS path. It is not what is not, it is what you are.

Quote:You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

Pretty much what I said, all is love/light and light/love however you want to define it. The main problem with your perspective is that you try to define it as otherwise.

*toss head back in grim laughter*

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03-03-2016, 11:36 PM,
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RE: How Do STS's View Other Selves?
(03-03-2016, 11:08 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  
Quote:The "as you yourself would want to be treated" is quite good though. Yet no one said the negative path is just about stepping upon others, you'd get quite your own share of being stepped upon and usually don't just end up on it like that because you one day made the choice to because it seemed fun.

What tells you they don't treat others as they want to be treated? Sure there's positive entities trying to send them love, mindless love which knows not a thing about them and does more of hurting than healing. Seems not like how they want to be treated to me.

I just have to point out the humor I see in this line of thought, because I doubt that a negative entity would want anyone to feel anything resembling pity towards it, either, unless of course it can exploit it in some way. Tongue

I believe negative entities do a great deal of effort to be misunderstood and resented.

If you look at the bible, they define themselves as things that betrayed the Creator and the Creation and will be doomed to an hell cut of from God forever. Result, they create resentment and hatred within those who strive for light. They manipulate others into not seeing the light/love love/light of what they are.

In my christian period I came to resent and feel hatred for demons. Later that turned into pity and later again into a simple desire to see beauty in what they are.

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03-03-2016, 11:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-04-2016, 12:02 AM by Elros.)
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To pity them I'd now need to come to believe they would somehow not come to distill the light/love and love/light behind their experience.

I believe all of the things come to terms with their fate, so who can judge which fate held more value over another. Is not each but the experience of the One of Itself? Should perhaps the Creator not desire to know Itself?


Oh forgot to quote something from Ra that also says this, I'll use another portion of the same quote I used above.

Quote:In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time.

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03-04-2016, 12:13 AM,
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(03-03-2016, 11:29 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  Pretty much what I said, all is love/light and light/love however you want to define it. The main problem with your perspective is that you try to define it as otherwise.

I actually never said that anything in particular was not love/light or light/love, let alone negative polarity.  But we have to get specific when talking about those terms, and "love-light" is not the same as "green ray" love.  One is more of a creative force, whereas the other is compassion.  And I have no problem with those quotes you shared.  But earlier it seemed like you had a problem with the quotes where Ra directly stated the negative path was more dependent on illusion.  So which is it?  Do you agree with Ra or not?  You can't quote them as truth, and then deny it the next second. Otherwise, you are just cherry picking ideas and inventing your own philosophy.

"The polarities are both dependent upon a limited viewpoint. However, the negative polarity depends more heavily upon the illusory separation betwixt the self and all other mind/body/spirit complexes."
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03-04-2016, 12:41 AM,
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(03-04-2016, 12:13 AM)anagogy Wrote:  
(03-03-2016, 11:29 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  Pretty much what I said, all is love/light and light/love however you want to define it. The main problem with your perspective is that you try to define it as otherwise.

I actually never said that anything in particular was not love/light or light/love, let alone negative polarity.  But we have to get specific when talking about those terms, and "love-light" is not the same as "green ray" love.  One is more of a creative force, whereas the other is compassion.  And I have no problem with those quotes you shared.  But earlier it seemed like you had a problem with the quotes where Ra directly stated the negative path was more dependent on illusion.  So which is it?  Do you agree with Ra or not?  You can't quote them as truth, and then deny it the next second.  Otherwise, you are just cherry picking ideas and inventing your own philosophy.

"The polarities are both dependent upon a limited viewpoint. However, the negative polarity depends more heavily upon the illusory separation betwixt the self and all other mind/body/spirit complexes."

I simply stated that I believe those of Ra also have their own focus upon illusions, of course it is easier to see the distortions of others than our own but Ra did say that they are still walking the steps of light which implies they also have things to let go of to move forward. The polarities take in each other, so although it is stated to be easier for those of the light they still do need to take within themselves the other polarity as part of what they are, hence that it also is what is.

I don't disagree with Ra material but make a distinction between when they speak of the Law of One and when they speak through bias of certain experiences which is not in total harmony with how they have themselves stated the Law of One. They speak of truth just as they give opinions. Those of Ra are small even all together if you just take a look at the stars and think that they came from just a nearby planet. They also are with a background of their own which was so bathed in an overabundance of compassion that the only ones who harvested negatively were two 5D positive wanderers that had intended to help with the positive harvest. They also never saw the importance of the fool's archetype which shows they did not really have any opportunity to lean toward the negative path in their experience.

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03-04-2016, 10:11 AM,
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(03-04-2016, 12:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote:  I simply stated that I believe those of Ra also have their own focus upon illusions, of course it is easier to see the distortions of others than our own but Ra did say that they are still walking the steps of light which implies they also have things to let go of to move forward. The polarities take in each other, so although it is stated to be easier for those of the light they still do need to take within themselves the other polarity as part of what they are, hence that it also is what is.

I don't disagree with Ra material but make a distinction between when they speak of the Law of One and when they speak through bias of certain experiences which is not in total harmony with how they have themselves stated the Law of One. They speak of truth just as they give opinions. Those of Ra are small even all together if you just take a look at the stars and think that they came from just a nearby planet. They also are with a background of their own which was so bathed in an overabundance of compassion that the only ones who harvested negatively were two 5D positive wanderers that had intended to help with the positive harvest. They also never saw the importance of the fool's archetype which shows they did not really have any opportunity to lean toward the negative path in their experience.

In other words, you believe you are more knowledgable than a sixth density social memory complex.
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03-04-2016, 10:31 AM,
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(03-04-2016, 10:11 AM)anagogy Wrote:  In other words, you believe you are more knowledgable than a sixth density social memory complex.

From your logic I should perhaps channel 6D members of the Orion Group to extend my knowledge of the positive path. Asking only those who never dwelled in it and only have seen it from afar.

In regards to the negative path, yes I believe my soul does have much more knowledge and experience of it than those of Ra, just as an understanding and love for those who are currently within it.

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