6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
10-07-2010, 04:29 PM,
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RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
there is mountains of difference.

the difference in between harvest requirements means, before the veil, even if an entity wasnt sufficiently polarized, s/he could pass into 4d through will and intent of discovering what was in 4d, and the intention to go forward.

the current harvest system seems to mean, even if you are witless about anything regarding existence, and even if you dont care about it much at all, if you are sufficiently polarized, you will still pass into 4d.

............

more importantly.

it also means that, the 3d harvest method is specific to 3d, and it is not relevant to any higher density's harvest. that, in turn means that, the higher density wanderers here, cannot go through any harvest of their own density. (that also requires society complexes for 4d and 6d). that implies that, polarization is not on these entities' agendas, unless they need any kind of potential to do work in their own density.

therefore, mistaking these, and thinking that there is a harvest that they need to prepare to, and in order to do that they need to polarize, and concentrating on that, would hamper their particular task, aim, objective they have come to this world to do. this, would be a great loss for this planet, and themselves.

that is, if the main lacking of these entities in their own density, is the polarization (potential, therefore) to do work.
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10-07-2010, 04:45 PM,
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What is your issue with polarization? Why do you see it as something, seemingly, to be avoided?

As I understand it, polarization involves becoming more and more balanced and radiant; it involves becoming more and more that which you seek. Où est le problème?

Or maybe I should ask, what do you understand the term polarization to mean?
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10-07-2010, 05:00 PM,
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polarization doesnt involve becoming more and more balanced. polarization has little to do with balance. for example, Ra is in the process of balancing, yet, they continue their seeking WITHOUT polarization. this is what they tell us. had what you propose been relevant, Ra would be polarizing with all its resources. they arent. they are letting us know, they are seeking without polarization.

polarization, as we are taught in ra material, is a choice made in 3d, which creates a potential to do work in higher densities, and all the following densities are built on that. HOWEVER, the other densities that are built on that, are NOT built for doing polarization work. they are built on work, using that polarization.

we understand these from description of densities and more importantly, from graduation requirement of densities. for example, 5d graduation, 6d graduation requirements.

which means in turn, the work in these densities, the service offered to existence, is not polarization. which, in turn means that, the entities who have come here, if they mistake what they have to do with the harvest requirements and necessities that are relevant, mandatory, useful for 3d entities, are going to go astray, and miss the real target they have come here for, the real service they need to do, whatever it was.

that bit is important.

what i see is there is a misconception in everyone that they need to polarize. its about polarization, i must polarize, they must polarize, this and that. and this is being merged with harvest concept, and the entities seem to be trying to polarize, waiting for the harvest.

however this is not relevant to higher density entities. the ones going through a harvest, are 3d entities who need to complete 3d. the ones who need to polarize, + or -, are them. if, the wanderers who have come here with intentions of serving higher vibrations, end up trying to join the planetary consciousness and imitate what it has to do, they will end up not offering what they have come here for. EVEN if we push it to the base service of lightening planetary vibrations by just being here, in their efforts to polarize haggardly, they will probably end up distorting the balance of their chakras, and will not be able to offer higher density vibrations, which were supposed to lighten the planetary vibrations at this point.

this is my problème with polarization.
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10-07-2010, 05:20 PM,
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You missed an important word. It involves becoming more and more balanced and radiant. Both are important.

You're right that if entities pursue polarization without balancing love and wisdom they will be setting themselves up for difficulties. But it is possible to pursue it in a balanced way, and that just makes sense to me to do. We have chosen to come to third density; third density is the density of choosing a polarity; why not join in the fun? Why not become more and more that which you seek?

Ra seeks now without polarity because they have become light. There is no more 95%, 98%, whatever. They have become that which they seek.

In our third-density illusion, we seem not to be that which we seek, and hence the concept of seeking from without is still relevant to us.

Here is how Ra put it. Remember that they gave this answer to a group of two sixth-density wanderers and one fifth-density wanderer:

Quote:64.5 Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or techniques used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth-density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.

We may answer further if you have specific queries.

I wonder if, perhaps, when you see or hear the word "polarization" you subconsciously replace it with "martyrdom". Because you seem to think that polarizing weakens or lessens the entity polarizing. I see it doing exactly the opposite.
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10-07-2010, 05:53 PM,
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(10-07-2010, 05:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth-density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.

We may answer further if you have specific queries.


An excellent find 'βαθμιαίος. Thank you. This should once and for all clear up any misconception whatsoever as repeatedly stated that 6D wanderers do not seek for polarity, much less harvest, which oddly very much is one of only two reasons they come for, this as taught directly by Ra; one to add vibration to the planet, and two to polarize to higher etiolated densities than from where they originally came from. The entire crux of the argument that has been presented from the beginning contrary to this is that 6D wanderers do not polarize or harvest as seen so many times, and below once again:
unity100 Wrote:the entities who have come here (wanderers), if they mistake what they have to do with the harvest requirements and necessities that are relevant, mandatory, useful for 3d entities, are going to go astray, and miss the real target they have come here for, the real service they need to do, whatever it was.
Presumably "what ever they came here to do" is not understood, or refused as being accepted as increasing their polarity, and to harvest to a higher etiolated density. The fact that, as you point out,that this was directly spoken to two 6D wanderers and one 5D wanderer, i.e. Don, Carla, and Jim in 3D as wanderers, can't possibly be refuted any longer. Can it?

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10-07-2010, 06:03 PM,
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Quote:however this is not relevant to higher density entities. the ones going through a harvest, are 3d entities who need to complete 3d. the ones who need to polarize, + or -, are them. if, the wanderers who have come here with intentions of serving higher vibrations, end up trying to join the planetary consciousness and imitate what it has to do, they will end up not offering what they have come here for. EVEN if we push it to the base service of lightening planetary vibrations by just being here, in their efforts to polarize haggardly, they will probably end up distorting the balance of their chakras, and will not be able to offer higher density vibrations, which were supposed to lighten the planetary vibrations at this point.

this is my problème with polarization.

Hi Unity,

From what I remember of my reading, all wanderers in 3-d are given the same requirements for harvest as a 3-D being who is not a wanderer. That was part of the risk we took on in coming here. We offered to help with the harvest at the risk of repeating 3-D if we do not polarize. At least that is my understanding.

Do you think that if you are a wanderer from 5-d or 6-d, that the harvest does not apply to you? That is you automatically get back to your density of origin when you walk the steps of light?

If so, you may have a misunderstanding.

Anyone else, please correct me if I am misunderstanding.

L&L
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10-07-2010, 06:34 PM,
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(10-07-2010, 05:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  You missed an important word. It involves becoming more and more balanced and radiant. Both are important.

polarity has no relevance to balance.

since the extreme love of 4d is dubbed as imbalanced and unwise by ra, and they tell that they have gone through a long balancing process in 5d for balancing that extreme love, and, 4d is a density in which, despite not being relevant to 4d graduation requirements, the polarity of entities harmoniously approach 99%, that means that, polarity is not relevant to balance.

- positive polarity of 4d entities approach 99% harmoniously upon graduation
- Ra had to spend extra time in 5d to BALANCE the extreme love and compassion they gained in 4d.

that means, polarity != balance. there is no relevance in between them.

had it been otherwise, entities would be almost ready for 8d, when they graduate from 4d, because they approach 99%. and even if we had said that that remaining 1% takes aeons, the rest of the work in 5d, 6d 7d, would involve FURTHER polarization, but, they dont. therefore, there is no relevance.

Quote:You're right that if entities pursue polarization without balancing love and wisdom they will be setting themselves up for difficulties. But it is possible to pursue it in a balanced way, and that just makes sense to me to do. We have chosen to come to third density; third density is the density of choosing a polarity; why not join in the fun? Why not become more and more that which you seek?

because, there is responsibility. you cant 'join in the fun'. any higher density wanderer needs to fulfill whatever particular service they programmed before incarnation, and also smoothen the planetary vibrations, by manifesting their particular vibration they are most apt at.

Quote:Ra seeks now without polarity because they have become light. There is no more 95%, 98%, whatever. They have become that which they seek.

this doesnt even make sense. what is 'becoming light'. everything existing is energy, vibrating in various frequencies. 1d red is also light, 8d white is also light. there is nothing that is not 'light' in that regard.

ra doesnt say 'they have become light and therefore they arent seeking without polarity'. they are saying that they are seeking without polarity.

if, this is your conclusion, you havent provided enough reasoning to conclude so.


Quote:64.5 Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or techniques used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth-density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.

We may answer further if you have specific queries.
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they are explicitly stating that they are seeking without polarity. then, you are equating polarity with balance, and then saying ra is balancing through polarization, or something like that.

if you note the red part, it says these are the BALANCES we seek. they are not saying they are seeking polarization. they have said that, they seek without polarization.

'shared experience with the creator', being the unity/unison mechanics that 6d experience involves, has no relevance to polarity either. more than that, this mechanic, of being one with another entity through either means, would mean that the entity being one with the other would accept the other entity as it is, meaning all its polarity, as well as any kind of radiation from it. this means, it also involves negative polarity or negative sets as well. which, means, they do NOT have polarity anymore.

however, like in the harvest mechanic concept, you are going as far to equate two words, polarity and becoming light, or seeking from without, as one.

they are not synonymous. they cant be synonymized. as it was told before in this thread, Ra was meticulous about terms and its usage. you cant just go rephrase strength with quality, or polarity with seeking from within.

Quote:I wonder if, perhaps, when you see or hear the word "polarization" you subconsciously replace it with "martyrdom". Because you seem to think that polarizing weakens or lessens the entity polarizing. I see it doing exactly the opposite.

no i dont. polarization is the work of 3d. and a consequence of 4d.

if an entity is not from 3d, OR, is not lacking as one being in the hands of indifference/inertia and therefore needing some polarity to do work in a higher density, that entity's work will not be polarity.

balancing, is not polarity. unless, you are heavily imbalanced to either side. positive, or negative. in the case you are not, trying to polarize will very probably upset your violet balance, and you will need to find a new balance.

(10-07-2010, 06:03 PM)Shemaya Wrote:  Hi Unity,

From what I remember of my reading, all wanderers in 3-d are given the same requirements for harvest as a 3-D being who is not a wanderer. That was part of the risk we took on in coming here. We offered to help with the harvest at the risk of repeating 3-D if we do not polarize. At least that is my understanding.

Do you think that if you are a wanderer from 5-d or 6-d, that the harvest does not apply to you? That is you automatically get back to your density of origin when you walk the steps of light?

If so, you may have a misunderstanding.

Anyone else, please correct me if I am misunderstanding.

L&L

if you go through the last few pages, you will see that i have explicitly stated that there could be no harvest of their own density applicable to entities higher than 3d on this planet, moreover, there is no reason for them to be harvested in 3d standards on this planet, and the accompanying information from ra material, and reasoning that conclude these.
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10-07-2010, 06:56 PM,
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Are you disagreeing that Ra said they have become light? It's right in the quote.

Do you agree that polarization equals becoming more radiant? That's how I think of it. In order to become more radiant, balance is essential. I think what you're objecting to is the unbalanced pursuit of radiance/polarization. How can the balanced pursuit of it be a problem? It's indigo-ray work, according to Ra: "As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray."

Surely indigo-ray work is appropriate for sixth-density wanderers?
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10-07-2010, 07:35 PM,
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(10-07-2010, 06:56 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Are you disagreeing that Ra said they have become light? It's right in the quote.

relevance ?

Quote:Do you agree that polarization equals becoming more radiant? That's how I think of it. In order to become more radiant, balance is essential. I think what you're objecting to is the unbalanced pursuit of radiance/polarization. How can the balanced pursuit of it be a problem? It's indigo-ray work, according to Ra: "As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray."

Surely indigo-ray work is appropriate for sixth-density wanderers?

first of all, from what we see, polarization means increasing imbalance, as per the 4d polarization ra have acquired, and the need to balance it in 5d. this is clearly told to us. moreover, in another topic :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=42&sc=1&ss=1#5

Quote:Questioner: In the last session you made the statement that “We, that is Ra, spent much time/space in the fifth-density balancing the intense compassion that we had gained in the fourth-density.” Could you expand on this concept with respect to the material you just discussed?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.

Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth-density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

polarization is 'others than me', or 'me than others'. and as it is clearly communicated above, it creates imbalance, EVEN if it is the salvation of 3rd density, as told to us.

therefore, polarization != balance. i dont know how more clearer than that, it can be ....

becoming radiant, being light, 6d work etc, are all separate subjects in my opinion. no need to mention again that these are not relevant to polarization.

the more balanced one gets, the purer the light it shines would be. the strength of it would be relevant to the strength of the consciousness, probably. however in no case they would relate to polarization.
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10-07-2010, 07:54 PM,
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"Others than me" = the path of that which is.

"Me than others" = the path of that which is not.

The path of that which is = balance, radiance, etc.

You seem to be identifying polarization with excessive compassion, ie martyrdom. That's a fourth-density approach to polarization.

The technical definition of to polarize light is to cause it to vibrate in a definite pattern. As wanderers, that's what we're here for: to cause the light that flows through us to vibrate in a more and more definite pattern. We are taking advantage of the fire of third density to forge our statues. (77.15)
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10-07-2010, 10:08 PM,
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there is no 'approach' to polarization differing from density to density.

the part i quoted from ra, is pretty clear.

if, you are loading different meanings to the words ra has been using, just like you have done with strength and quality terms related to harvest, there is no end to this, and it seems like you are doing that.

polarization is polarization. it cannot be made synonymous with the term service. or balance.

polarization's extreme end, is compassion, martyrdom, as described in the above quote by ra. seeking more polarization, has martyrdom at its end. that is how it is, as we are told. that is not an 'approach' or something, it is what it is, because, it means 'others' desires and will, than my self'. and the final point of that is sacrificing one's own entity, for others.

polarization is needed for 3rd density at this moment. 3d entities, need to polarize. positive or negative. entities who have higher core vibrations, however, do NOT and should NOT, unless they lack sufficient polarization to do work in their own density, or, unless they have an imbalance that they need to balance out.

its like continuously drinking water. or, any kind of other exaggeration.
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10-07-2010, 10:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-07-2010, 10:24 PM by βαθμιαίος.)
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Your definition of polarization is different than mine.

Maybe this will help. This is as close as I could find to a definition of polarization in the Ra material.

Quote:19.17 Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

19.18 Questioner: I believe we have a very important point here. It then seems that there is an extreme potential in this polarization the same as there is in electricity. We have a positive and negative pole. The more you build the charge on either of these, the more the potential difference and the greater the ability to do work, as we call it in the physical.

This would seem to me to be the same analogy that we have in consciousness. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct.

Polarization is equated to progress along one path or the other, to power and awareness, and to a greater ability to do work.
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10-07-2010, 10:27 PM,
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(10-07-2010, 10:14 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Polarization is equated to progress along one path or the other and to a greater ability to do work.

correlation does not mean causation.

since it is required to be able to do work in a higher density through existence of potential, entities can only advance by having it, and using it.

and, advancement brings, naturally, advancement.

therefore more potential, ie polarization, does not mean more advancement.

polarization, will probably bring strength, and this seems so, from the postveil harvest method, and also what ra says in the above quote. the entity may be more aware too.

but, these do not mean more advanced. this doesnt relate to advancement or progress either, it is just about changing of polarities depending on the strength of polarity. swinging from one side to another.
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10-07-2010, 10:30 PM,
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The point is, polarization is a valid goal for 5th and 6th density wanderers. It's not just about compassion. It's about building potential difference and, thereby, the capacity to do work.
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10-07-2010, 10:46 PM,
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it isnt a goal for 5d and 6d wanderers. from whence did you conclude that ? 5d is about gaining wisdom, and 6d is about balancing.

it is expected that they have gained enough polarization to do work, in 3d choice, and later the side-effect of 4d in regard to extreme polarization, despite the requirement for getting into 5d doesnt involve polarization.

whether an entity would need to polarize or not, would depend on the entity. if it needs polarization, it needs it. you cant make a blanket thumb rule for all entities.
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10-08-2010, 12:02 AM,
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(10-07-2010, 10:46 PM)unity100 Wrote:  it (insert polarity) isnt a goal for 5d and 6d wanderers. from whence did you conclude that ? 5d is about gaining wisdom, and 6d is about balancing.

it is expected that they have gained enough polarization to do work, in 3d choice, and later the side-effect of 4d in regard to extreme polarization, despite the requirement for getting into 5d doesnt involve polarization.

Please help to interpret the following Ra quote below based on your above sentiments that polarity is not a goal for 5D or 6D wanderers:
52.9/Ra Wrote:Questioner: I would just include the question as to why the time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

1. Clearly Ra states unequivocally that wanderers from 6D wander to 3D for polarization purposes. Please enlighten us as to what you read instead.

2. The wanderer may as clearly do so individually to etiolate to a higher density, presumably meaning an even higher density or sub-density than the one he originally hailed from. Please enlighten us what you read instead.
* note here that one of your previous arguments held that 6D can do nothing without the entire SMC as a whole. This quote clearly holds otherwise.

3.The wanderer may additionally polarize to a greater extent in the accompaniment with fellow wanderers to etiolate to a higher density, or sub-density, than the one they originally hailed from. Please enlighten us what you read instead.
*note here that although the 6D SMC may act as a group that they do so irrespectively to polarize nonetheless. Note also that a SMC may be of a group versus all of 6D at once as I pointed out to you before, less 6D would become a vacuum empty and devoid on its graduation.

*secondary note: Polarization in 3D and graduation from 3D to etiolate into higher densities requires harvest to get there (more highly etiolated densities) from here (3D), with the distinction that the "there" in this case is a different "there", i.e. "a more highly etiolated there"

4. Lastly, the wanderer choosing to wander is specifically attracted to 3D most acutely so at the time of 3D Harvest, this specifically for the purpose that the harvest of 3D may catapult him individually or in the accompaniment of other wanderers to higher etiolated densities, inclusive of 6D sub-densities. Please enlighten us what you read instead.

Please provide a breakdown of each question based solely on the Ra quote so that we may understand your interpretation fully.

Thank you,

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10-08-2010, 08:30 AM,
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Quantum, the only thing I would draw your attention to is that etiolated means pale, drawn out. Ra used it to contrast with the extremely intense catalyst we experience here.

Unity100, you have misunderstood Ra and Don's use of the word polarization. As they use it, it means progressing along one path or the other.
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10-08-2010, 09:10 AM,
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(10-08-2010, 08:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Quantum, the only thing I would draw your attention to is that etiolated means pale, drawn out. Ra used it to contrast with the extremely intense catalyst we experience here.

Hello to you 'βαθμιαίος. Thank you for the note. As regards the definition, I'm sure we're on the same page. Hopefully however we're reading it the same way I interpret Ra to be utilizing it.
Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/etiolated Wrote:to cause to whiten or grow pale by excluding light:
I am understanding it to be used in a manner of distinguishing from one level to another, as in contrasting or distinguishing one density or sub density from another as a result of said light and catalyst having become or grown to a higher level than was the previous state.
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10-08-2010, 09:20 AM,
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I think Ra used the term to indicate that catalyst is quite intense here; much less so in higher densities, and that wanderers choose that intense catalyst in order to give themselves a chance to polarize much more rapidly than they could in their home densities.

I guess I'm objecting to your phrase "to etiolate to a higher density." Wanderers aren't trying to etiolate; quite the reverse: they're trying to grow more vivid and robust.
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10-08-2010, 10:37 AM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
(10-08-2010, 09:20 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  I think Ra used the term to indicate that catalyst is quite intense here; much less so in higher densities, and that wanderers choose that intense catalyst in order to give themselves a chance to polarize much more rapidly than they could in their home densities.

I guess I'm objecting to your phrase "to etiolate to a higher density." Wanderers aren't trying to etiolate; quite the reverse: they're trying to grow more vivid and robust.
Quite right. I see the manner in which you see I see Big Grin. Although we are both drawing the distinctions Ra intended to point us to the contrast between higher and lower densities through usage of the word etiolated, I like better the way you phrase it that Etiolated is intended to distinguish the fact that the higher densities have less catalyst, as we know, than does 3D, as we also know, this as a result of catalyst being more pale in said higher densities.

Catalyst is paler (etiolated), whereas light is, let us say, more white/intense. A very fine and delicate point. Thank you. Returning to what we perceive to be unity's misunderstanding, 6D entity(ies) wander to to 3D to increase its/their polarity, either singularly, or by group, in the effort of catapulting itself/themselves, as lesson to balance compassion/wisdom, which increases ability to strengthen self/selves to higher vibration, if not sub-density, this in shorter periods as a result of 3D offering said intensity of catalyst not afforded in the higher etiolated density of less catalyst.

unity: do you disagree, and if so please give us your understanding/interpretation to my previous post of 4 questions with etiolated more refined as a definition.

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10-08-2010, 06:29 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
(10-08-2010, 08:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Unity100, you have misunderstood Ra and Don's use of the word polarization. As they use it, it means progressing along one path or the other.

as per the quotes i have given, the meaning of the word polarization is quite clear. its not 'progress'.

had it been as such, Ra wouldnt say that polarization has little to do with 5d harvest.
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10-08-2010, 08:25 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
You are associating polarizing only with green ray. Remember, polarized light is light that has been caused to vibrate in a definite pattern. One can certainly polarize green ray, and I would quite agree with you that 5th and 6th density wanderers may not want to overemphasize green ray. However, one can also polarize orange or yellow ray by enjoying the blockage of power over other individuals, blue ray by developing the ability to communicate, and indigo ray by developing the ability to bring intelligent energy through from intelligent infinity.

As Don said, and Ra agreed, polarizing means developing the ability to do work. You are right that the work done in higher densities builds on the polarization forged in the fire of third density. That's exactly why wanderers might want to come back and re-forge a higher polarization.
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10-08-2010, 08:32 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
you are redefining polarity. if polarity was, in ra's terms, causing light vibrate in a definite pattern, and was it relevant to 'progress' as such in higher densities, Ra would be mentioning that. instead, they say, they are seeking without polarity. this, would mean that they are not progressing, with your definition. or are not manifesting indigo ray.

Quote:As Don said, and Ra agreed, polarizing means developing the ability to do work. You are right that the work done in higher densities builds on the polarization forged in the fire of third density. That's exactly why wanderers might want to come back and re-forge a higher polarization.

there is a limit to potential.

if you remember, Ra says that the polarity of 4d graduates harmoniously approach 99%, even though polarity is not required for 5d harvest. had, polarity been defined in the way you are defining it (and it is not defined in that way, as i mentioned above, but lets say if it was), then 4d graduate entities would KEEP on polarizing, and they would continue to polarize through 5, and 6th densities.

but, we are told that the work of 5d is intensification. and the work of 6d is balance. at no point, they are rephrased as polarization. at no point, polarization is used in the place of progress either.

the only point your approach can apply, would be that an entity may lack enough polarization to do work. BUT, this, would make it an issue of that particular entity, and its own particular need. not, a ground rule, a thumb rule for wanderers. and definitely not the work of 5th, 6th densities.

entities therefore, shouldnt think that polarization is a thumb rule for them, and instead, focus and meditate on what they personally need to do, what their personal needs and lackings are, what their personal goals are, as an entity. if polarization comes up in the list, it is in the list. if it isnt, then it means it isnt and it shouldnt be forced out of the blue. this is what i think.
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10-08-2010, 11:22 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
I am not claiming that polarization is relevant in higher densities. I am claiming it is relevant in this density. The fact that Ra's sixth-density work does not involve polarizing is irrelevant, as is the fact that fifth-density work involves intensifying rather than potentiating. Your argument ignores Ra's statement that wanderers come here, in part, to polarize (52.9). In fact, Ra gives that as the second reason, more important, apparently, than recapitulating imperfectly learned lessons.

I have already given the definition of polarization that Don and Ra were using: building a charge, creating potential difference, and developing the ability to do work (19.18). In this density, that's relevant for everyone, although you're right, of course, that entities should meditate and determine their own deepest course.

The only definition I remember you giving was that polarization = "me than others" or "others than me". That is accurate as far as it goes, but it seems to miss the electromagnetic heart of the matter.

As I mentioned, Ra did associate polarization with being further along a path (19.17). And Ra did mention polarizing in the sense of causing light to vibrate in a certain pattern. See 31.14 (polarized orange ray), 34.14 (polarize very strongly green ray).

So why might a 4th, 5th, or 6th-density entity want to polarize, even though the work of their densities does not involve polarization? An entity might want to polarize not because it lacks the ability to do work but because it wants to refine or strengthen that ability. The polarization requirement for fourth density graduation is 98%. When your whole social memory complex is, say, 97.8% positive but you are 97.1%, that's a big difference, and you might want a short-cut to work on it. As you say, fifth-density work involves intensifying rather than potentiating. However, if you feel that what you're intensifying does not have quite as much potential as you might wish, you might see benefits in wandering to third density. Sixth-density entities may find themselves not as successful as they might wish at balancing love and wisdom and feel that additional strength or potential might help.

Another thing to remember is that there have apparently been a few sixth-density negative wanderers who have wandered in an attempt to continue to polarize towards the negative (36.16).
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10-09-2010, 12:55 AM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
'me than others, others than me' doesnt miss the electromagnetic or energetic heart of the matter. the philosophy is also the practice.

the entity polarizing in either way would be taking the act to the extreme. in the case of positive, it would be spending its energies, mental, physical, spiritual and vital, recklessly, for others, and wouldnt take care for itself, because its 'others than me', and in the other situation, otherwise.

Quote:As I mentioned, Ra did associate polarization with being further along a path (19.17). And Ra did mention polarizing in the sense of causing light to vibrate in a certain pattern. See 31.14 (polarized orange ray), 34.14 (polarize very strongly green ray).

this is not something different. polarization happens through usage of these rays. orange, yellow, green. and when green is fully open, entity becomes polarized to 99% or so, even if this is not relevant to its 4d to 5d harvest anymore. this is what i understand from depiction of polarity situation at the start and end of 4d, and talk on these chakras. lack of green, makes it negative. also, therefore, green is counted as the springstone, first magical energy. probably because it determines polarity in that extent.

Quote:So why might a 4th, 5th, or 6th-density entity want to polarize, even though the work of their densities does not involve polarization?

simply, a 4th, 5th, 6th density may want to polarize, if it is lacking in the relevant energy centers, yellow and green in regard to polarization, positive or negative. if it doesnt lack these, polarization becomes imbalancing.

there is no polarization requirement for 4th density. entities harmoniously approach that polarization towards the end of 4d, Ra says. it doesnt say it is a requirement. the requirement is being able and ready to accept and use a certain amount of light. use here means, intelligently work with, shape, form etc etc, apparently. not enjoy.
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10-09-2010, 09:39 AM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
You associate polarizing with recklessness? You are still confusing it with martyrdom.

You associate polarizing with imbalance. In one way that's true, in that it's building one charge or the other. But it's possible to build the imbalanced positive charge in a balanced and radiant way. That's where blue- and indigo-ray work come into play.

You think that a wanderer would only want to polarize if it is lacking in yellow or green? You're still missing the idea of strength of charge.

Whether or not there is a polarization requirement for harvest from fourth density is irrelevant. We're primarily talking about fifth- and sixth-density wanderers here, and we're talking about wanderers' experience in third density here on earth.

Think about Carla, Don, and Jim's service in offering the Ra contact. Do you think that it wasn't an extremely positively polarizing offering? Didn't Ra offer numerous suggestions as to how to preserve the instrument's strength so that it wouldn't be used recklessly and the contact could continue on a secure footing? And in accepting and making use of those suggestions and thereby continuing and strengthening the contact, weren't Carla, Don, and Jim offering a highly charged service, a balanced and radiant one?
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10-09-2010, 06:08 PM,
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i dont associate polarizing with recklessness. however, polarizing, we know to be upsetting to an entity's balance in greater scheme of things, from ra. (their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things).

polarizing would be reckless, for an entity who is not in 3d, and has a particular balance, because it would upset that balance. unless changing the balance is an intent, it would be reckless to change it.

martyrdom, seems to be the apex of polarization, from what we understand regarding the ra text, and the examples of jesus of nazareth and its density situation.

Quote:You think that a wanderer would only want to polarize if it is lacking in yellow or green? You're still missing the idea of strength of charge.

im not missing anything. charge and strength would be same in this context, similarly, potential. also, polarization. if you use rephrased words, they are all apply to the same thing in general.

a wanderer would only want to polarize if it is lacking in yellow, or green, as far as what we have been told goes. opening of these chakras without any blockages in orange takes an entity to positive polarity, clogging of them takes entity to negative polarity. this is what is taught us.

Quote:We're primarily talking about fifth- and sixth-density wanderers here, and we're talking about wanderers' experience in third density here on earth.

wanderers' experience in third density would not be devoid of their needs and nature from their own density. it would be pointless to do anything else, a waste.

Quote:Think about Carla, Don, and Jim's service in offering the Ra contact. Do you think that it wasn't an extremely positively polarizing offering?

no, it wasnt. what information was produced was usable for both polarities, negative and positive. so, as for the end result or nature of it goes, it is an unpolarized work. there is much information. in that respect, it is relevant to wisdom, blue ray. it has undertones of indigo ray unification.

Quote:Didn't Ra offer numerous suggestions as to how to preserve the instrument's strength so that it wouldn't be used recklessly and the contact could continue on a secure footing? And in accepting and making use of those suggestions and thereby continuing and strengthening the contact, weren't Carla, Don, and Jim offering a highly charged service, a balanced and radiant one?

ra's numerous suggestions as to how to preserve the instrument's strength, can also be seen from the wisdom side, ie, a wise precaution to preserve the channel to keep the contact open. so, in that regard, it is unpolarized. had ra said 'to preserve the instrument, we are stopping ra contact from now on. adonai', this could be a polarized, positive act from ra's point. it wasnt.

accepting and making use of those suggestions, have also the same dimension to them.

and again, 'balanced, radiant' doesnt mean polarized. im not going to comment on your newly introduced phrase, 'highly charged'.
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10-09-2010, 07:52 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
(10-09-2010, 06:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:  i dont associate polarizing with recklessness. however, polarizing, we know to be upsetting to an entity's balance in greater scheme of things, from Ra. (their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things).
No comprende, amigo. Isn't the ever deepening desire to serve the same force that compels polarization in 3D as well as balancing in 6D. In that sense it's all the same thing. I can't see how it would cause "imbalancing (sic) in the greater scheme of things."

(10-09-2010, 06:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:  martyrdom, seems to be the apex of polarization, from what we understand regarding the Ra text, and the examples of jesus of nazareth and its density situation.
This strikes me as a mis-reading of the text. Martyrdom is regarded as a course of action not balanced with wisdom.

Quote:You think that a wanderer would only want to polarize if it is lacking in yellow or green? You're still missing the idea of strength of charge.
(10-09-2010, 06:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:  im not missing anything. charge and strength would be same in this context, similarly, potential. also, polarization. if you use rephrased words, they are all apply to the same thing in general.

a wanderer would only want to polarize if it is lacking in yellow, or green, as far as what we have been told goes. opening of these chakras without any blockages in orange takes an entity to positive polarity, clogging of them takes entity to negative polarity. this is what is taught us.

I wonder if you're conflating opening chakras with polarization. These are not the same. As I understand it, one has to do with mere energy flow while the other is a deeper, more subtle thing having to do with the intensity of one's desire to serve along with the degree of resemblance between one's own vibration and that of the the One Creatrix.

For example, a simple lack of energy blockages in the 2nd chakra does not positive polarity make.

Quote:Think about Carla, Don, and Jim's service in offering the Ra contact. Do you think that it wasn't an extremely positively polarizing offering?
(10-09-2010, 06:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:  no, it wasnt. what information was produced was usable for both polarities, negative and positive. so, as for the end result or nature of it goes, it is an unpolarized work. there is much information. in that respect, it is relevant to wisdom, blue ray. it has undertones of indigo ray unification.
Another good example: Mere production of a body of work signifies no particular polarity. Rather, it was the dramatic effort to draw upon their own deeply help desire to be of service, desire to vibrate more like the Creatrix, which refined their polarity (or "charge" or what have you).
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10-09-2010, 08:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-09-2010, 08:08 PM by Aaron.)
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
unity100 Wrote:i dont associate polarizing with recklessness. however, polarizing, we know to be upsetting to an entity's balance in greater scheme of things, from Ra. (their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things).
(10-09-2010, 07:52 PM)peregrine Wrote:  No comprende, amigo. Isn't the ever deepening desire to serve the same force that compels polarization in 3D as well as balancing in 6D. In that sense it's all the same thing. I can't see how it would cause "imbalancing (sic) in the greater scheme of things."

Hi, peregrine. You put forward some very interesting ideas in this post, especially the idea that although the LOO material is in itself unpolarized, the intentions of the group made the action a positively polarizing one.

Here, though, I think I can help deepen your understanding. I believe Unity is right about polarization being an imbalanced move from the overall perspective. However, it is necessary at our point to polarize in order to progress up the spiral of consciousness.

Ra in session 64.5 Wrote:We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light.

So, we can conclude that polarization is necessary in order to learn to become ultimately balanced. You have to make a move that is unbalancing to your overall beingness in order to finally learn balance.

I think you're very right about the deep desire to serve being the same driving force that compels us to polarize now as well as to seek unity later. The difference is in how you allow that driving force, or flow, to be directed through you to different actions or outcomes as you learn and grow through the densities. Smile
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10-09-2010, 08:57 PM,
RE: 6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?
(10-09-2010, 07:52 PM)peregrine Wrote:  No comprende, amigo. Isn't the ever deepening desire to serve the same force that compels polarization in 3D as well as balancing in 6D. In that sense it's all the same thing. I can't see how it would cause "imbalancing (sic) in the greater scheme of things."

service != polarization.

how that can be seen imbalancing in the greater scheme of things, (sic), is something that is best asked of ra, since they have mentioned this.

my take is that, it upsets the entity's energy flow balances. but details are something that can be worked on.

Quote:This strikes me as a mis-reading of the text. Martyrdom is regarded as a course of action not balanced with wisdom.

it is. it is the apex of 4d vibration, sacrificing the entity's own existence for others (leave aside giving energy to others), and therefore, unwise in that it removes a focus from whatever plane it is in.

Quote:I wonder if you're conflating opening chakras with polarization. These are not the same. As I understand it, one has to do with mere energy flow while the other is a deeper, more subtle thing having to do with the intensity of one's desire to serve along with the degree of resemblance between one's own vibration and that of the the One Creatrix.

For example, a simple lack of energy blockages in the 2nd chakra does not positive polarity make.

for this argument, we have discussed with bai, and during the discussion various reasons were given. you can refer to a few earlier posts to see why yellow and green seem to determine polarity and be polarity themselves.

Quote:Think about Carla, Don, and Jim's service in offering the Ra contact. Do you think that it wasn't an extremely positively polarizing offering?

Quote:Another good example: Mere production of a body of work signifies no particular polarity. Rather, it was the dramatic effort to draw upon their own deeply help desire to be of service, desire to vibrate more like the Creatrix, which refined their polarity (or "charge" or what have you).

just like everything, any kind of physical manifestation, act, carry counterparts in time/space. this includes a body of work and its accompanying polarity.

and what is a creatrix in the first place ....
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