05-11-2017, 10:16 AM
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05-11-2017, 10:16 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2018, 05:34 PM by GentleWanderer.)
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05-11-2017, 11:27 AM
(05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 1) It is used for protection and purification of a place before a working, but is it also useful for inner purification, balancing distortions, karma... ? In my opinion as an extremely novice practitioner, it is for setting up a physical space for work, inner or otherwise. But it's not in and of itself for those things except to the extent there may be aspects of yourself you want to "banish" or purge, such as thoughts/thought forms. (05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 2) Does one has understand the meaning of everything in the ritual for it to be effective ? According to my inquiries, no. What you're doing, to quote a teacher, is leaning on the inertia of past practitioners who have created the metaphysical constructs of the ritual. I'm not even sure understanding the exact meaning helps, since the real understanding comes from the experience of practicing the ritual over and over. The form points to the content, but if the content were clear we would simply invoke that. The ritual form is designed to create an opening, I believe, for meaning (content) that we can't conceptualize, at least easily and tractably. (05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 3) Do you think the material elements of ritual in itself are quite insignificant in themselves, and that what makes it work is really the intention, thoughts and feelings of the entity performing it ? Your intent is primary. That said, following the form rigorously is one means of certifying to yourself your intent and honesty. So I find that if I do not adhere to certain parts of a ritual that I deem valuable or necessary, that has an impact. This is not because the ritual was bad per se as I performed it. Rather, because the power the ritual delivers comes from a "deal" I've made with myself to use the ritual as a symbol of certain ineffable qualities within myself that I am working with, I broke that agreement and deadened the impact of the ritual to effect within me what I sought. In other words, because ritual invokes the magical personality, to the extent you take this connection seriously you have to take the protocols of the connection seriously. That's all a ritual is: protocols for effecting a change in consciousness at will. The ritual is a means to an end, but it has constraints upon it that make it useful, and respecting the constraints allows you to concretize your respect for the ends. For example, imagine living your whole life as a big, ritualistic symbol where everything is deeply imbued with meaning. There would be no play involved, no ability to allow yourself to make a mistake or simply have fun or, for that matter, just be at rest. Ritual allows us to be able to invoke the magical personality because we don't want to live in that personality constantly. The intent is more important than the form of the ritual. But the ritual, in order to be useful, has to be done in a formalized way or it's not a ritual. Does that make sense? (05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 4) The protocol given by the Golden Dawn is one of the most popular but according to some, all the members of the GD don't always have the highest spiritual intentions and aren't always financially disinterested. I've never heard of the concept of the egregore! I'm practicing from the GD manual, but I pick and choose what I feel has significance and use to me. If I'm invoking some connection with the GD group, I'm not aware of it. (05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 5) Did Carla and the the group always used this ritual before their working ? I ask this because of the loyal opposition which is often mentioned in the books. My understanding is that Jim regularly performs the banishing ritual in the space where the public meditations occur, and that this is a long running practice. With the Ra contact, I'm pretty sure they started their ritual work pre-session as soon as they recognized the need. But I believe it was those of Ra that impressed upon the group the need for ritual. I am not certain, though, and would appreciate somebody with more knowledge weighing in.
05-11-2017, 06:06 PM
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(05-11-2017, 10:16 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: 1) It is used for protection and purification of a place before a working, but is it also useful for inner purification, balancing distortions, karma... ?
05-14-2017, 07:03 AM
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05-14-2017, 11:20 AM
I wouldn't say normal but not unheard of in my experience. If you continue to have that effect then I would see a doctor.
05-15-2017, 02:24 AM
The headache/dizziness might be a rush of blood to the head. Be gentler in extending your spine during any flourishes of the upper body. Your blood pressure still exists even as a magician
05-15-2017, 02:03 PM
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