08-11-2017, 03:16 PM
(08-11-2017, 12:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: there's nothing in what either Ra or Q'uo says to suggest [muhammud] wasn't a legitimate spiritual source.
Yes but there's plenty of common sense to indicate that he was a negative path spiritual source. Namely the prevalence of conquest and slavery in his religion. The fact that he was a warlord, held slaves, and preached a religion far less tolerant or peaceful than contemporary religions. The list goes on and on. Consider the religious instructions of the Quran to wage holy war until all are subdued under Islam.
Quran (8:38-39) - “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
(08-11-2017, 12:17 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: It just puts more money in the pockets of those who profit off animosity without actually getting us any closer to peaceful solutions to working out various cultural differences.
Well to do that you're going to have to confront a hard reality. (1) that's you're wrong about history and (2) that islam has a very different "solution" to cultural differences.
Quaran 4:89 "[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. "