Is kundalini awakening a requisit to Harvest?
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(09-25-2017, 10:13 PM)sjel Wrote:  
(09-25-2017, 09:42 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  If your body is not purified, a kundalini awakening can suck. You'll be in pain and all your emotional garbage from subconscious will rush to the surface to be dealt with.
Better not to force it.

I've often read this: however I would absolutely volunteer for a forced awakening (which I think I am currently undergoing to some extent right now) rather than wallow in the quagmire of confusion and slowly come around. I'd rather be in a few years of psychic hell due to premature kundalini awakening than lifetimes of casual stop-and-start progress. I've let the universe know this several times and boy, it's sure responded in force. "Oh, you want to awaken quickly? Here's a tremendous amount of catalyst that greatly outweighs all previous catalyst."

However, because I so earnestly volunteered to undergo hell in order to get out of stagnation, it turns out my body and mind have been subconsciously preparing for such growth. So it's not hell. It's exciting and stimulating, instead. Just requires nonstop acceptance and awareness - any lapse, any hesitation or reluctance on my part, and an immense anxiety sets in, the likes of which I've never known before. The extent of the anxiety is so extreme that there is but one option: ACCEPT. And I sometimes tremble with appreciation for this. But there's no room for appreciation either!! Just acceptance.

Life on Earth is extreme, intense, rapid, demanding - but when it reaches a certain point it seems that this transforms into pure spiritual acceleration. Excitement instead of anxiety. I haven't reached the overwhelming joy part of it yet, but I think that's because I'm still clambering to fit myself into the slingshot before I get launched into infinity.


To answer your question, Infinite: Sadhguru said that "for 90% of enlightened beings, the moment of enlightenment is equal to the moment of physical death." So I assume this is the same as for harvestable beings. That physical death synchronistically coincides with the entity's enlightenment. If there was some sort of karma or blockage holding them back from harvestability, the death and the events surrounding it sparks that last bit of spiritual awareness to release and absolve it. I don't think you need to be in physical ecstasy to be harvestable.
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08-17-2018, 11:18 PM,
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Quote:15.9 Questioner: Can you tell me a little bit about the definition of the word “balancing” as we are using it?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love, creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.

In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.

Quote:15.12 Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?

Ra: I am Ra. The steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. This understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. The first balancing is of the Malkuth, or Earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. An understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental. The next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. This blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self-conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

The center of heart, or green ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, towards infinite intelligence. Blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

The next center is the pineal or indigo-ray center. Those blocked in this center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthiness. This is that of which you spoke. As you can see, this is but one of many distortions due to the several points of energy influx into the mind/body/spirit complex. The indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and having also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

The remaining center of energy influx is simply the total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. It is as it will be, “balanced” or “imbalanced” has no meaning at this energy level, for it gives and takes in its own balance. Whatever the distortion may be, it cannot be manipulated as can the others and, therefore, has no particular importance in viewing the balancing of an entity.


A balanced entity has the kundalini totally awakened?
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08-18-2018, 04:31 AM,
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I don't think so as this state or experience may cause imbalance if dwelt or sought for too long. Therefore the goal should be balance, and if Kundalini is experienced it should be treated with great honor and duty.

Quote:49.5 ▶ Questioner: Will you expand on the positive and negative magnetic polarizations in general and how it applies to, say, individuals and planets, etc.? I think there is a correlation here, but I’m not sure.

Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. The lines of force in both cases may be seen to be much like the interweaving spirals of the braided hair. Thus positive and negative wind and interweave forming geometric relationships in the energy fields of both persons, as you would call a mind/body/spirit complex, and planets.

The negative pole is the south pole or the lower pole. The north or upper pole is positive. The crisscrossings of these spiraling energies form primary, secondary, and tertiary energy centers. You are familiar with the primary energy centers of the physical, mental, and spiritual body complex. Secondary points of the crisscrossing of positive and negative center orientation revolve about several of your centers. The yellow-ray center may be seen to have secondary energy centers in elbow, in knee, and in the subtle bodies at a slight spacing from the physical vehicle at points describing diamonds about the entity’s navel area surrounding the body.

One may examine each of the energy centers for such secondary centers. Some of your peoples work with these energy centers, and you call this acupuncture. However, it is to be noted that there are most often anomalies in the placement of the energy centers so that the scientific precision of this practice is brought into question. Like most scientific attempts at precision, it fails to take into account the unique qualities of each creation.

The most important concept to grasp about the energy field is that the lower or negative pole will draw the universal energy into itself from the cosmos. Therefrom it will move upward to be met and reacted to by the positive spiraling energy moving downward from within. The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.

As an entity grows more polarized this locus will move upwards. This phenomenon has been called by your peoples the kundalini. However, it may better be thought of as the meeting place of cosmic and inner, shall we say, vibratory understanding. To attempt to raise the locus of this meeting without realizing the metaphysical principles of magnetism upon which this depends is to invite great imbalance.

To my understanding the Kundalini phenomenon is an effect or an outcome when a mind/body/spirit complex reaches balance in their energy centers and allows intelligent energy to flow in harmony from bottom to top and top to bottom, when these energies meet the mind/body/spirit may experiences the Kundalini (which to me resembles enlightenment). Being in balance holds great potential for an entity to become harvestable. Though to my belief not every mind/body/spirit complex that reaches total balance of energy centers will experience the Kundalini. All to their workings and service to the One infinite Creator.  Smile


Also a relevant quote I come to feel.

Quote:93.21 ▶ Questioner: I’m at a loss to know the significance of the serpents that adorn the head of the entity on this drawing. Are they of Ra and, if so, what do they signify?

Ra: I am Ra. They are cultural in nature. In the culture to which these images were given the serpent was the symbol of wisdom. Indeed, to the general user of these images perhaps the most accurate connotation of this portion of the concept complexes might be the realization that the serpent is that which is powerful magically. In the positive sense this means that the serpent will appear at the indigo-ray site upon the body of the image figures. When a negative connotation is intended one may find the serpent at the solar plexus center.
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09-23-2018, 11:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-23-2018, 01:41 PM by Infinite Unity. Edit Reason: Revision, slight restructure, paragraph added )
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(09-29-2017, 10:25 AM)Infinite Wrote:  
(09-29-2017, 09:50 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  I was meditating. When my higher self came down. It sat on the outside of my aura. The energy impulse was insane. I could feel my higher self around my aura. It stayed there for about ten minutes, making slight adjustments to our field. Then it moved from all around me, to specifically under my feet. (Other selves will move to the top or crown, the self/higher self is the only thing that can come through the feet). As soon as it moved under my feet, energy shot up those canals and through red orange and hit yellow with resistance. It felt just like people say they could see thee life flashing before there eyes, only I felt it energetically. Every choice, every action,  every thought. Was weighed and the energy incoming stopped just over the threshold of harvest. Which is slightly above were you think of were your heart is.

Thanks for your answer. And it made me arise another question: it's possible open the gateway to Intelligent Infinity without the kundalini awakening? You already did?

I would say the answer is two fold

You can have contact with infinite intelligence without an Kundalini event prior. In my opinion contact would automatically 'register' as a Kundalini awakening. However these are usually through trauma, drugs, and other events similar in intensity.

On the other side, the entity conciously working and becoming undistorting to make contact. I wouldnt say that kundalini is a prequesite but the actual thing.

Thus one should contempelate the catalytic interplay. To be doing what we think of as kundalini. One would be effiecently, to differing degrees, working with catalyst


It is a gateway for a reason. Gates open and close and allow passage through. In my life the gate has opened and the energy was in pouring through the crown, However I did not step through the gateway. Though, I felt as if this was an offered harvest moment, and would not be here if I had stepped through. I am not and was not done here. After this Earth trip, I am going to the next octave.
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09-23-2018, 01:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-23-2018, 02:02 PM by Infinite Unity.)
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(08-17-2018, 11:18 PM)Infinite Wrote:  
Quote:15.9 Questioner: Can you tell me a little bit about the definition of the word “balancing” as we are using it?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love, creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.

In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.

Quote:15.12 Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?

Ra: I am Ra. The steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. This understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. The first balancing is of the Malkuth, or Earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. An understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental. The next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. This blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self-conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

The center of heart, or green ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, towards infinite intelligence. Blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

The next center is the pineal or indigo-ray center. Those blocked in this center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthiness. This is that of which you spoke. As you can see, this is but one of many distortions due to the several points of energy influx into the mind/body/spirit complex. The indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and having also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

The remaining center of energy influx is simply the total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. It is as it will be, “balanced” or “imbalanced” has no meaning at this energy level, for it gives and takes in its own balance. Whatever the distortion may be, it cannot be manipulated as can the others and, therefore, has no particular importance in viewing the balancing of an entity.


A balanced entity has the kundalini totally awakened?
To me a balanced entity is harmonized within activated/energized or conciously operated centers. Kunalini is a term, like many, that is complex and can mean many things. Kundalini is usually a representation of the average activation level of being, or frequency. However Kundalini awakening, and similiar terms. Can be referencing a specific event. Where in there is a massive activation of energy, and mystic experiences and Revelations can occur. Which is uasually of the life altering magnitude.

Though I would agree that in the aforementioned Ra quotes, Ra was giving an example from an higher activated being.
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02-15-2019, 02:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-15-2019, 02:15 PM by Infinite.)
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Second Ra, there are seven levels of mind/body/spirit complexes which I suppose be directly related with the seven level of kundalini awakening through each energy center. So, there are seven true-color entities types.

I'm wondering about that and I've two doubts about it:

- In many spiritual works is said that kundalini is latent on the first chakra. So, the majority of mankind is red-ray level. But, the people from primitive tribes is more "red-ray entity" than the civilized people. I suppose there are seven sub-levels of red-ray awareness, the indians being the lower and the civilized people the middle/higher. Does anyone agree with me?

- Does kundalini stay all time on the chakra associated with the true color of the entity? In other words, for example, someone harvestable is ALWAYS on unconditional love awareness level? And about indigo? I suppose isn't possible walk with the gateway to intelligent infinity opened. Anyone have any idea?
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02-15-2019, 02:25 PM,
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(02-15-2019, 02:03 PM)Infinite Wrote:  Second Ra, there are seven levels of mind/body/spirit complexes which I suppose be directly related with the seven level of kundalini awakening through each energy center. So, there are seven true-color entities types.

I'm wondering about that and I've two doubts about it:

- In many spiritual works is said that kundalini is latent on the first chakra. So, the majority of mankind is red-ray level. But, the people from primitive tribes is more "red-ray entity" than the civilized people. I suppose there are seven sub-levels of red-ray awareness, the indians being the lower and the civilized people the middle/higher. Does anyone agree with me?

- Does kundalini stay all time on the chakra associated with the true color of the entity? In other words, for example, someone harvestable is ALWAYS on unconditional love awareness level? And about indigo? I suppose isn't possible walk with the gateway to intelligent infinity opened. Anyone have any idea?

I think it is more a matter of where your consciousness is predominantly seated on a day to day basis. Everyone vacillates up and down the spectrum. Where the kundalini sits is where your thoughts are most predominantly occupied. A human living in a 3rd world country who is constantly worrying about whether they will have clean air, water, or food is vibrating in the red ray spectrum (of true color yellow), they don't have time to move their thoughts to things like personal identity or social identity for the most part because they are living like animals trying to survive. So when basic necessities aren't met, it becomes very difficult to even begin balancing your centers.

Once the lower 3 centers are balanced, one begins to allow the higher energies in, like green ray, blue ray, and indigo ray. Where your thoughts habitually lay tells you what centers you are activating primarily. But everyone has set backs at times.

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02-18-2019, 08:09 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-18-2019, 08:27 AM by Infinite.)
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(02-15-2019, 02:25 PM)anagogy Wrote:  I think it is more a matter of where your consciousness is predominantly seated on a day to day basis. Everyone vacillates up and down the spectrum. Where the kundalini sits is where your thoughts are most predominantly occupied. A human living in a 3rd world country who is constantly worrying about whether they will have clean air, water, or food is vibrating in the red ray spectrum (of true color yellow), they don't have time to move their thoughts to things like personal identity or social identity for the most part because they are living like animals trying to survive. So when basic necessities aren't met, it becomes very difficult to even begin balancing your centers.

Once the lower 3 centers are balanced, one begins to allow the higher energies in, like green ray, blue ray, and indigo ray. Where your thoughts habitually lay tells you what centers you are activating primarily. But everyone has set backs at times.

Thanks my brother. Yes, I read a history about kundalini awakening. The person "fell" and ejaculated, so the kundalini came back to the first chakra. But, I suppose there is a moment when occur a definitive change and the person transmute yourself in a new being.

And reading old posts of this thread I realized that our opinions about the difference between the sixth and seventh level or the adept and the buddha always were close:

(10-16-2017, 03:20 PM)anagogy Wrote:  Opening the gateway is fully opening or unblocking the indigo center. You can 'crack open the door a little' without fully opening the gateway. The gateway is not fully unblocked until the violet ray is penetrated consciously. Experiences of playing with the gateway will cause indigo expressions, or manifestations of intelligent energy, because this is the intelligent energy level.
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02-20-2019, 05:41 PM,
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I'm thinking of comparing chakras to parts of an instrument. Like the strings on a guitar for example. You can play only on the strings that are tighten. Loosen strings aren't playable (yet). Strings that are tightened enough also have to be tuned for playing. All playable strings are functioning and all are being played but you don't have to play all of them all the time ... The same with energy centers. They have to be opened, activated and balanced (seriatim). The meeting point of kundalini would be on how many strings you play.
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02-20-2019, 05:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-20-2019, 06:15 PM by loostudent.)
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(02-15-2019, 02:03 PM)Infinite Wrote:  - In many spiritual works is said that kundalini is latent on the first chakra. So, the majority of mankind is red-ray level.

The true color of third density is yellow (moving to green). Despite this many people are reverting to orange. On the other hand some are harvestable and already manifesting green ray.
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02-20-2019, 06:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-20-2019, 06:23 PM by loostudent.)
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Ramakrishna on chakras/planes:

Quote:The Vedas speak of seven planes where the mind dwells. When the mind is immersed in worldliness it dwells in the three lower planes - at the navel, the organ of generation, and the organ of evacuation. In that state the mind loses all its higher visions - it broods only on 'woman and gold'*.

The fourth plane of the mind is at the heart. When the mind dwells there, one has the first glimpse of spiritual consciousness. One sees light all around. Such a man, perceiving the divine light, becomes speechless with wonder and says: 'Ah! What is this? What is this?' His mind does not go downward to the objects of the world.

The fifth plane of the mind is at the throat. When the mind reaches this, the aspirant becomes free from all ignorance and illusion. He does not enioy talking or hearing about anything but God. If people talk about worldly things, he leaves the place at once.

The sixth plane is at the forehead. When the mind reaches it, the aspirant sees the form of God day and night. But even then a little trace of ego remains. At the sight of that incomparable beauty of God's form, one becomes intoxicated and rushes forth to touch and embrace it. But one doesn't succeed. It is like the light inside a lantern. One feels as if one could touch the light, but one cannot on account of the pane of glass.

In the top of the head is the seventh plane. When the mind rises there, one goes into samadhi. Then the Brahmajnani directly perceives Brahman. But in that state his body does not last many days. He remains unconscious of the outer world. If milk is poured into his mouth, it runs out. Dwelling on this plane of consciousness, he gives up his body in twenty-one days. That is the condition of the Brahmajnani.

*'Women and Gold' is the direct word-to-word translation of 'Kamini and kanchan'. Sometimes it is also translated as 'Lust and Greed'.
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02-20-2019, 06:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-20-2019, 06:18 PM by loostudent.)
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(09-23-2018, 01:47 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  To me a balanced entity is harmonized within activated/energized or conciously operated centers. Kunalini is a term, like many, that is complex and can mean many things. Kundalini is usually a representation of the average activation level of being, or frequency. However Kundalini awakening, and similiar terms. Can be referencing a specific event. Where in there is a massive activation of energy, and mystic experiences and Revelations can occur. Which is uasually of the life altering magnitude.

I think kundalini or kundalini experience is a term often used when an individual experiences a great and sudden raise of kundalini to a higher place.
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02-20-2019, 07:40 PM,
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How far are we talking about raising Kundalini to in order to be harvestable?
Is it to green chakra, or to indigo?

I've been to green ray, and I sometimes feel pressure in my 3rd eye.
I've had bliss out of my crown chakra.
But it doesn't last and it goes back down.
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02-20-2019, 07:47 PM,
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(09-29-2017, 09:50 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  
(09-29-2017, 09:38 AM)Infinite Wrote:  
(09-29-2017, 09:30 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  About two weeks ago my higherself activated the serpent, and initiated harvest on this instrument.

Can you give more details? How do you know that?

Yes. As always it is the observers opinion.

Harvest will not be the same for every entity. In my opinion most third density entities will "walk the steps of light" or take part in the test, after death.There is an energetic threshold that must be met before harvest during the lifetime e, can take place. These are all unique per entity.

I was meditating. When my higher self came down. It sat on the outside of my aura. The energy impulse was insane. I could feel my higher self around my aura. It stayed there for about ten minutes, making slight adjustments to our field. Then it moved from all around me, to specifically under my feet. (Other selves will move to the top or crown, the self/higher self is the only thing that can come through the feet). As soon as it moved under my feet, energy shot up those canals and through red orange and hit yellow with resistance. It felt just like people say they could see thee life flashing before there eyes, only I felt it energetically. Every choice, every action,  every thought. Was weighed and the energy incoming stopped just over the threshold of harvest. Which is slightly above were you think of were your heart is.

When you and others speak on this forum, it is like hearing from my spirit guide or my own higher self.
I think our guides speak through others. We don't necessarily have to hear it from them directly.
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02-20-2019, 08:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-20-2019, 08:31 PM by Infinite.)
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(02-20-2019, 05:54 PM)loostudent Wrote:  The true color of third density is yellow (moving to green). Despite this many people are reverting to orange. On the other hand some are harvestable and already manifesting green ray.

In my humble opinion, the true color is the ray which the kundalini reached without blockages. These answers from Ra seems indicates this:

Quote:49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.


Quote:50.2 Questioner: In the last session [you] made the statement that experiences are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Could you expand on that and give us a definition of what you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. It takes some consideration to accomplish the proper perspective for grasping the sense of the above information. The south or negative pole is one which attracts. It pulls unto itself those things magnetized to it. So with the mind/body/spirit complex. The in-flow of experience is of the south pole influx. You may consider this a simplistic statement.

The only specific part of this correctness is that the red-ray or foundation energy center, being the lowest or root energy center of the physical vehicle, will have the first opportunity to react to any experience. In this way only, you may see a physical locus of the south pole being identified with the root energy center. In every facet of mind and body the root or foundation will be given the opportunity to function first.

What is this opportunity but survival? This is the root possibility of response and may be found to be characteristic of the basic functions of both mind and body. You will find this instinct the strongest, and once this is balanced much is open to the seeker. The south pole then ceases blocking the experiential data and higher energy centers of mind and body become availed of the opportunity to use the experience drawn to it.

That's why is said on esoteric traditions that kundalini is sleeping on the first chakra. Because red-ray is the first reaction. While there is survival or sexual reaction to catalysis the kundalini will not up. This is, the entity remains a red-ray entity.


(02-20-2019, 07:40 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  How far are we talking about raising Kundalini to in order to be harvestable?
Is it to green chakra, or to indigo?

The green-ray sufficently opened in the case of Harvest of positive polarity. And second Ra, an entity which penetrates the intelligent infinity, which I belive to be the kundalini reach to the violet-ray center, can choose the moment of your graduation. There is similar information in traditonal esoteric sources as I posted here today:

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=16100&pid=257565#pid257565

And the user anagogy believe is possibile harvest yourself through the indigo-ray center. I'm not certain but make sense.
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02-21-2019, 06:27 PM,
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RE: Is kundalini awakening a requisit to Harvest?
(02-20-2019, 08:12 PM)Infinite Wrote:  
(02-20-2019, 05:54 PM)loostudent Wrote:  The true color of third density is yellow (moving to green). Despite this many people are reverting to orange. On the other hand some are harvestable and already manifesting green ray.

In my humble opinion, the true color is the ray which the kundalini reached without blockages /.../
That's why is said on esoteric traditions that kundalini is sleeping on the first chakra. Because red-ray is the first reaction. While there is survival or sexual reaction to catalysis the kundalini will not up. This is, the entity remains a red-ray entity.

Let's take the example of entity that was harvested from 2D. It means this entity already raised kundalini to the third because this was the condition to be harvested. Entering yellow ray mind/body/spirit complex enables entity to learn the lessons of love and move to 4D. Initially when incarnating the kundaliny is indeed on the first chakra but usualy it is rapidly raised to the second and then to the third chakra. Otherwise the entity would just vegetate after birth and have no opportunity to learn the ways of love.

About the time when kundalini comes to the second chakra (the entity becomes self conscious):

Quote:An entity incarnating upon the Earth plane becomes conscious of self at a varying point in its time/space progress through the continuum. This may have a median, shall we say, of approximately fifteen of your months. Some entities become conscious of self at a period closer to incarnation, some at a period farther from this event. (Ra 18.7)
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02-21-2019, 07:30 PM,
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(02-21-2019, 06:27 PM)loostudent Wrote:  Let's take the example of entity that was harvested from 2D. It means this entity already raised kundalini to the third because this was the condition to be harvested. Entering yellow ray mind/body/spirit complex enables entity to learn the lessons of love and move to 4D. Initially when incarnating the kundaliny is indeed on the first chakra but usualy it is rapidly raised to the second and then to the third chakra. Otherwise the entity would just vegetate after birth and have no opportunity to learn the ways of love.

In my humble opinion, the true color of an entity is not about the color of third density or the body. It's about sub-levels of third density:

Quote:17.38 Questioner: Well, does each… does… this is difficult. Our physical plane: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.

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(02-21-2019, 06:27 PM)loostudent Wrote:  About the time when kundalini comes to the second chakra (the entity becomes self conscious):

There is a difference between activate an energy center and raise the kundalini at him. For example, when the green-ray energy center is activated first time the incarnation cease to be automatic:

Quote:21.9 Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.

As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.

During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.

Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.

But, this not means the entity become harvestable (the requisit is the kundalini araise up to green-ray). It's necessary clean all the centers until the green. Kundalini will up as the each center is without blockage.
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02-21-2019, 07:33 PM,
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RE: Is kundalini awakening a requisit to Harvest?
I found this great hour long video about kundalini yoga. It goes into the original intent of the chakras.
It gives instruction on how to raise the kundalini. And what the chakras look like, and the mantra for each.



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02-22-2019, 02:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-22-2019, 02:32 PM by xise.)
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It is interesting how much one changes upon this journey. Just half a year ago, I wasn't much interested in the gateway or working with indigo or violet rays but that changed. After much personal work for the past 7 years involving healing the lower rays, and specific choices to seek further and better understand the concept of faith, it all culminated at the last homecoming and the faith strengthened to a point where I deepened my daily practice (special thanks to Bring4th_Jade and Bring4th_Plenum for being a part of the events that led to my faith). Then, 3 months ago, I for a moment experienced feeling that I and all was the Creator. I also experienced what I consider a magical working as well just last month (that I will likely share in the future).

Now more than ever, I thirst for the Creator, to touch and embrace the infinity that we are. I can safely save that while the spiritual journey was a foremost priority in my life for last 7 years it was more from the perspective of healing and just becoming more loving; since the strengthening of my faith for the last 6 months I've felt my sole life goal is full union with the Creator - in this life. Even if I cannot achieve it, I know the journey itself will be worthwhile, but I have a strange memory as if I've already previously achieved it in past lifes? I don't know. I just feel like the edges of the memory of full union with the Creator is in my awareness somewhere, I can't really explain it. And who knows, perhaps my life goal will change. I don't really feel like I know anything other than the present moment in some ways.

At any rate, thank you Infinite for making this post. I am rereading the discussion with much eagerness and excitement.

Love, xise

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02-22-2019, 03:06 PM,
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(02-22-2019, 02:24 PM)xise Wrote:  It is interesting how much one changes upon this journey. Just half a year ago, I wasn't much interested in the gateway or working with indigo or violet rays but that changed. After much personal work for the past 7 years involving healing the lower rays, and specific choices to seek further and better understand the concept of faith, it all culminated at the last homecoming and the faith strengthened to a point where I deepened my daily practice (special thanks to Bring4th_Jade and Bring4th_Plenum for being a part of the events that led to my faith). Then, 3 months ago, I for a moment experienced feeling that I and all was the Creator. I also experienced what I consider a magical working as well just last month (that I will likely share in the future).

Now more than ever, I thirst for the Creator, to touch and embrace the infinity that we are. I can safely save that while the spiritual journey was a foremost priority in my life for last 7 years it was more from the perspective of healing and just becoming more loving; since the strengthening of my faith for the last 6 months I've felt my sole life goal is full union with the Creator - in this life. Even if I cannot achieve it, I know the journey itself will be worthwhile, but I have a strange memory as if I've already previously achieved it in past lifes? I don't know. I just feel like the edges of the memory of full union with the Creator is in my awareness somewhere, I can't really explain it. And who knows, perhaps my life goal will change. I don't really feel like I know anything other than the present moment in some ways.

At any rate, thank you Infinite for making this post. I am rereading the discussion with much eagerness and excitement.

Love, xise

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02-24-2019, 03:43 PM,
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I found a book in which the author arrived the same informations of Ra's answers about kundalini levels of awakening. But he supposedly never read LOO because the book isn't on the chapter of bibliography. Here a stretch from the the book:

Quote:Where is the end of the journey?

Usually the term “enlightenment” is used synonymously with Brahmajnana or God Realization. However, the term actually refers to a series of events beginning before Brahmajnana and continuing after it.

The “first” enlightenment

In Chapter 3, we heard from sages like John Ruusbroec, Jacob Boehme, and J. Krishnamurti what the first experience of enlightenment, or spiritual awakening, is like. We saw that it occurs when the kundalini reaches the fourth or heart chakra.

It reveals to us our true nature as divine Light, the Christ, the Child of God.
You may wish to review their experiences before turning to the second level.

The “second” enlightenment

A second experience of enlightenment arises when the kundalini reaches the sixth or brow chakra. One goes into a type of samadhi Vedantists call “savikalpa,” which means “with form,” as opposed to “nirvikalpa,” which means “without form.”

In savikalpa samadhi, as Swami Vivekananda explains, “one feels a trace of duality, of distinction between subject and object.” In nirvikalpa samadhi, “one effaces, in the depths of meditation, all distinction between the knower and the goal of knowledge.” (1)

In savikalpa samadhi, says Swami Brahmananda, “one experiences the mystic vision of the spiritual form of God, while the consciousness of individuality remains.” (2) Sri Ramakrishna gave Swami Brahamananda exactly that boon while he was a young boy, then known as Rakhal.

”Look,” said the Master, “there is your Chosen Ideal!” Rakhal in ecstatic vision saw his chosen aspect of the Godhead standing before him — living and luminous, with a smile playing on his lips. When Rakhal regained his external consciousness and saw Sri Ramakrishna, he prostrated at his feet with loving devotion. He had known and experienced the divine power and grace of his guru. (3)

Another common form of sixth-chakra enlightenment experience is the seeing of a mystic light suffusing the whole realm of creation. It was the source of William Wordsworth’s poetry.

"Such was the Boy — but for the growing Youth
What soul was his, when, from the naked top
Of some bold headland, he beheld the sun
Rise up, and bathe the world in light! He looked –
Ocean and earth, the solid frame of earth
And ocean’s liquid mass, in gladness lay
Beneath him:– Far and wide the clouds were touched,
And in their silent faces could he read Unutterable love.
Sound needed none, Nor any voice of joy; his spirit drank
The spectacle: sensation, soul, and form,
All melted into him; they swallowed up
His animal being; in them did he live,
And by them did he live; they were his life." (4)


The sense of subject and object, or duality, persists in savikalpa samadhi. It may be that St. Paul was referring to savikalpa samadhi when he wrote: "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."(5)

St. Paul conveys a sense of this barrier between us and God characteristic of sixth-chakra enlightenment. It's as if we were seeing through a glass pane.

The “third” enlightenment

Brahmajnana occurs when the spiritual energy reaches the seventh chakra or sahasrara, at the crown of the head. The spiritual energy has completed its circuit in the body. Sri Ramakrishna describes what can happen next, though It's not necessarily the case with everyone, as we shall see.

"After passing the six centres the aspirant arrives at the seventh plane. … The individual soul and the Supreme Soul become one. The aspirant goes into samadhi. His consciousness of the body disappears. He loses the knowledge of the outer world. He doesn't see the manifold any more. His reasoning comes to a stop."

Source: http://goldenageofgaia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Purpose-of-Life-is-Enlightenment.pdf
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05-06-2019, 03:47 PM,
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(09-26-2017, 02:55 PM)sjel Wrote:  
(09-26-2017, 07:42 AM)anagogy Wrote:  Yes.
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4th density harvest is simply when the kundalini serpent has reached the heart chakra or energy center (and become seated there more or less stably).

But if the majority of Wanderers aren't aware they are Wanderers, doesn't that mean that they are inactivated and will have to repeat third density??

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Yes. If you are not enlightened or asleep within the forgetting, none of us can remember who we are or why we came. I feel as we take our experiences one step further up the energy centers we are becoming more and more awakened/enlightened with each advance upward toward the sixth chakra. And for a Wanderer who is sleeping, this would have to be more than just self realized (3rd enerygy center) but be able to at least apply universal love and understanding (4th energy) to each experience before they would be harvestable.
Wanderers are not exempt from repeating due to being spiritually asleep.
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05-09-2019, 08:45 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-09-2019, 08:45 AM by Patrick.)
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(09-26-2017, 02:55 PM)sjel Wrote:  ...But if the majority of Wanderers aren't aware they are Wanderers, doesn't that mean that they are inactivated and will have to repeat third density??...

Whether a wanderer awakens or not, one incarnation is probably not enough for a wanderer to lose enough polarity that they would have to repeat 3d.  But at the same time, a whole 3d cycle (75000 years) is shorter than ONE incarnation in 4d (90000 years).  So for a wanderer, repeating 3d is not that big of a deal.  Even less so for 5d and 6d wanderers, which have much longer incarnations.
 

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05-09-2019, 02:12 PM,
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Heart excellent thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heart
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05-09-2019, 02:35 PM,
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short answer to the topic is NO
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