Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog
11-15-2017, 12:34 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-15-2017, 12:38 AM by Steppingfeet.)
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The magical personality is something that is intentionally invoked and, when the working is complete, equally intentionally released. While activated it gives one ability to perform, as the name suggests, magical working. To work directly with intelligent energy through consciousness alone (though likely accompanied by ritual and incantation).

It's like putting on a judge's robe. While wearing that, you are (in theory at least) operating according to higher standards and responsibilities. You're exercising powers that exist only while wearing that robe. And in order to return to your life, you must relinquish the robe, and with it the powers that you were able to exercise while wearing the vestment.

For that limited time you're gaining a modicum of the higher self's capacity while within third density.

Jeremy I dug your flatland metaphor to help explain something of the mechanics of how a being such as the higher self might project a portion of itself across a vastly different realities, and how the variance between the two realities would lead we in third density to see a limited dimensional form of the projection.

Vasilisa, though you say you're a longtime reader, welcome to your first post! And thank you finding those sessions. Think I am going to go read one now. : )

Thanks again to everyone who chipped in on the question.

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11-15-2017, 01:38 AM,
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Thank you, Steppingpheet. I do not want to say platitudes. But the work of L / L Research has affected my whole less conscious life. I recently watched the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GieV4UxTHgE&feature=share and could not hold back tears. I'm certainly not familiar with anyone personally from L / L Research, but nevertheless here such an effect produces the story and works of Carla, Don and Jim on my soul ....

I wanted to add a few more words about the magical personality.

"As a mind/body/spirit complex consciously chooses the path of the adept and, with each energy balanced to a minimal degree, begins to open the indigo-ray energy center the so-called dreaming becomes the most efficient tool for polarization, for, if it is known by the adept that work may be done in consciousness while the so-called conscious mind rests, this adept may call upon those which guide it, those presences which surround it, and, most of all, the magical personality which is the higher self in space/time analog as it moves into the sleeping mode of consciousness. With these affirmations attended to, the activity of dreaming reaches that potential of learn/teaching which is most helpful to increasing the distortions of the adept towards its chosen polarity".

In this passage, Ra speaks of the ray of indigo and of dreams. The sleep mode of consciousness is known to change consciousness and brings consciousness and unconscious together. Ra also says that "All magical work is based on resurrection in memory and / or appeal."
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11-15-2017, 01:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-15-2017, 01:27 PM by rva_jeremy.)
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(11-15-2017, 12:34 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  For that limited time you're gaining a modicum of the higher self's capacity while within third density.

Thanks for summarizing that, Gary.  By the way, in my reread of the books I stumbled across this tidbit you and others might find interesting: 

Ra Wrote:More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

This is the most fascinating aspect to me: that when we invoke this personality, we are not simply exercising our third density agency--we are actually enabling our higher self to somehow participate in third density and its catalyst directly! The higher self is gaining a modicum of our experience, too!

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11-15-2017, 09:43 PM,
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(11-15-2017, 01:23 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Ra Wrote:More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

This is the most fascinating aspect to me: that when we invoke this personality, we are not simply exercising our third density agency--we are actually enabling our higher self to somehow participate in third density and its catalyst directly!  The higher self is gaining a modicum of our experience, too!

That is a really interesting point to bring into discussion of the magical personality. This one has always befuddled me a bit.

I mean, at face value I can make sense of it: the Higher Self somewhat extends outward from its sixth-density abode and dips a finger into the third-density illusion, getting the sensation of the third-density waters on its metaphysical nervous system.

BUT . . . the higher self is me. The higher self has the full memory of my first day of school, and that bad break-up, and my favorite food, and all that feeling I had when I had a panic attack, or the elation I felt when I completed the project, etc. In other words, the higher self has already lived it.

By sixth density are those memories like a dream? Like data stored on a computer? No longer vivid or even real-feeling.

In which case does the bridge of the magical personality offer the higher self something of a lucid dream moment?

Can you make heads or tails of it?

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11-15-2017, 10:08 PM,
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Perhaps it is that it experiences reality differently, and might find the experience noteably different from the way it was remembered?
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11-16-2017, 01:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017, 02:20 AM by Vasilisa.)
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Ra first of all spirit or soul and its description is based on this fact. I think it is necessary to understand the logic of the world of souls, then much becomes clear. I was helped in this by Carl Jung and Michael Newton.
At the moment I think that the magical personality is correlated with the phenomenon of the soul and its energies. Perhaps, over time, my view may change.

Dreams show that we can perceive another reality, not at all like the day. And the lucid dreaming shows that this reality can be very tangible and dense, as our day-time reality.) Moreover for lucid dreaming, hyperrealism is typical, which at first frightens.
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11-16-2017, 06:08 AM,
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(11-15-2017, 01:23 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Ra Wrote:More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

This is the most fascinating aspect to me: that when we invoke this personality, we are not simply exercising our third density agency--we are actually enabling our higher self to somehow participate in third density and its catalyst directly!  The higher self is gaining a modicum of our experience, too!


For what it may be worth, I read this a bit differently.  The MP is gaining from 3d catalyst, not the HS, per se.

My take on this, as I might have already stated, is that the MP is related to that part of self for which each lifetime is but one paragraph of the larger bio.  It is that which learns to program catalyst so as to develope parts of self (in totality) it deems to be under-explored.  The MP is what we relearn ourselves to be as we learn to integrate our lower and higher (and middle) energy centers.  Therefore, the MP has a vested interest in experiencing that chosen catalyst first hand as a co-operator in spiritual working, or "magical working," if you prefer. 

To Mr. Feet's question, this is qualitatively different from the MP knowing about the first time you got laid, etc., in that, rather than simply reacting to worldly affairs, working in the spirit can have a much greater influence upon the deeper aspects of self.  For example, for a 6d wanderer working on balancing Love & Wisdom, there are much deeper pathways available for resonance with service while working in the spirit than there might be in the circumstance cited in the previous sentence.  (As you will recall, this is related to the assertion by Ra that increasing commitment to service while in 3d has a far greater effect upon the self than the same in higher densities because, behind the veil, the stakes are much higher and, therefore, the payout is greater.)

As a result of this, the MP can learn to more clearly and deeply vibrate and pursue its evolutionary path, and this accounts for the last sentence in the Ra quote above.....in my notoriously humble view.


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11-16-2017, 03:04 PM,
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(11-15-2017, 09:43 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  I mean, at face value I can make sense of it: the Higher Self somewhat extends outward from its sixth-density abode and dips a finger into the third-density illusion, getting the sensation of the third-density waters on its metaphysical nervous system.

I'm just speculating, but we're invoking a (future) version of ourselves that has the capability to make much better use of catalyst than we typically can. We as third density entities almost never make perfectly efficient use of catalyst, but I wonder if the analog, through the medium of the magical personality, can.

(11-15-2017, 09:43 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  BUT . . . the higher self is me. The higher self has the full memory of my first day of school, and that bad break-up, and my favorite food, and all that feeling I had when I had a panic attack, or the elation I felt when I completed the project, etc. In other words, the higher self has already lived it.

Perhaps that is what allows for catalyst to be so efficiently used: it is not new and unknown, but instead a known quantity that can be fully appreciated as catalyst qua catalyst.

To respond some of your other comments: what is our third density sense of identity? It is tied up in memory; that we are the same "thing" from moment to moment to moment, and we can verify this by using our memories to construct a narrative that allows us to conceive of a constant identity through all this (Tyman discusses this in detail in A Fool's Phenomenology). But I'm sure it wouldn't surprise anybody reading this to consider that concept of self as largely a slippery, indistinct figment of our imagination. The thing that is constant is deeper, and it isn't something you need to remember and think into existence.

What I'm suggesting is that invoking the magical personality, by putting us more in a sense of identity that is tied to the eternal now, wouldn't address the concerns you're bringing up because it isn't the kind of third density experience in the first place that prioritizes such concerns. It would be more concerned with the essence of catalysis, not the particular forms it takes in our experience.

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11-16-2017, 07:45 PM,
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(11-15-2017, 09:43 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  BUT . . . the higher self is me. The higher self has the full memory of my first day of school, and that bad break-up, and my favorite food, and all that feeling I had when I had a panic attack, or the elation I felt when I completed the project, etc. In other words, the higher self has already lived it.

The higher self in future, is a sum of what you have lived, are living, and will live, including whatever life lived by any other fragments of the greater entity that you and it consists.

And starting from later parts, higher self is looking at the totality left to it by its future 7d existence, which totality is the sum of everything that the entity your manifestations consist of, has been and can be.

This totality includes your first day of school, your current magical working, and you invoking your 6d entity, and your 6d existence looking back to the you that does the magical working.

Looking at this from a broader view, it would be easier to see this entire situation as a whole, a sum of everything involving you, in which one of you in the past is being looked back at by future you.

The feelings, experiences, occurrences in the past are still there, existing in the past, even when you look from the future.

The 6d future self, looking back to a past time point in a way much easier than how it could if you havent invoked the magical self, is looking at the past from a wider perspective than what you are seeing in your current perspective.

Its much easier to see this entire business as focusing of consciousness, like looking at a certain small point on a movie screen as a movie goer. The higher self is focusing at a certain part of the screen at that point. Just as at the point where you are, you are focusing at a different point. When magical self is invoked, your perspectives of looking come closer. Naturally, the higher self's narrows than how it is since it is focusing to a location in the continuum, but, what it sees for that point is now much more detailed than what it saw when it was you.

Quote:By sixth density are those memories like a dream? Like data stored on a computer? No longer vivid or even real-feeling.

Everything that happened and therefore exists, is real. It doesnt matter if they were in the past. In the past, they are real. Past constitutes an earlier state of existence in creation, and whenever you look at a point in past, entire creation is at the state it was at that past time point.

Except, what you have experienced and felt at that past time point (which is now) constitutes a very small portion of the existence of the future you, hence the feelings you felt to be very strong may not appear so stronger anymore.

Quote:In which case does the bridge of the magical personality offer the higher self something of a lucid dream moment?

That's unlikely. Just as can be examined from the case when Ra looked back in time to check what was causing the issues with the tape recorder, there is no need to dream in a density where everything starts to coalesce and combine, including time.

Quote:Can you make heads or tails of it?

Its a circle in which all points exist at the same 'time', as you start to see more of the existence with a broader view from higher densities. At a sufficiently high density, everything is happening at the same time.

Its about completion of entire thing. Creation of a whole manifestation whose existences in different time points complete each other to make a whole.
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11-17-2017, 12:19 AM,
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(11-16-2017, 06:08 AM)peregrine Wrote:  For what it may be worth, I read this a bit differently.  The MP is gaining from 3d catalyst, not the HS, per se.

My take on this, as I might have already stated, is that the MP is related to that part of self for which each lifetime is but one paragraph of the larger bio.  It is that which learns to program catalyst so as to develope parts of self (in totality) it deems to be under-explored.  The MP is what we relearn ourselves to be as we learn to integrate our lower and higher (and middle) energy centers.  Therefore, the MP has a vested interest in experiencing that chosen catalyst first hand as a co-operator in spiritual working, or "magical working," if you prefer. 

To Mr. Feet's question, this is qualitatively different from the MP knowing about the first time you got laid, etc., in that, rather than simply reacting to worldly affairs, working in the spirit can have a much greater influence upon the deeper aspects of self.  For example, for a 6d wanderer working on balancing Love & Wisdom, there are much deeper pathways available for resonance with service while working in the spirit than there might be in the circumstance cited in the previous sentence.  (As you will recall, this is related to the assertion by Ra that increasing commitment to service while in 3d has a far greater effect upon the self than the same in higher densities because, behind the veil, the stakes are much higher and, therefore, the payout is greater.)

As a result of this, the MP can learn to more clearly and deeply vibrate and pursue its evolutionary path, and this accounts for the last sentence in the Ra quote above.....in my notoriously humble view.


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Mr J, I wasn't entirely grokking your notion put forward in post #8 and continued in this one. You describe the qualitatively different nature of working in spirit. In that mode, you say, one has a different navigational set of tools; as you put it, a "one employs a different profile of sensory elements." And you liken the magical personality as that aspect of the 3D self which functions in these higher or more subtle modes of consciousness, not quite the higher self.

That doesn't however jive with 75.36 which says, "When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made..."


In the invocation, one has called something to oneself at a distance from one self. Distant in time, development, understanding, accumulation of experience--whatever the criteria, it is at a remove from the incarnate you.

Thus the term "bridge." Bridges connect two places or people or things who otherwise have a gulf between them, that gulf serving as a barrier to one degree or another. Otherwise a bridge would not be needed.

So this higher self, which is in the relative world not the incarnate self (though ultimately two points on the same circle of beingness), gets a phone call in the invocation and subsequently bridges itself to the third-density mind/body/spirit complex. Through time/space and into space/time manifestation I believe.

The 3D self (on the other end of this bridge) then is cloaked in this this vestment of personality which is imbued with magical perception and power. This vestment of personality having, as you were indicating, that "different profile of sensory elements." Able, as I believe you were saying, to work in the subtle ways of spirit, which are a different order of magnitude than your casual lunch-choosing figure.

*Disclaimer: I did not invoke the magical personality when writing this.

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11-17-2017, 12:33 AM,
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(11-16-2017, 03:04 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  I'm just speculating, but we're invoking a (future) version of ourselves that has the capability to make much better use of catalyst than we typically can.  We as third density entities almost never make perfectly efficient use of catalyst, but I wonder if the analog, through the medium of the magical personality, can.

Again on paper that seems logical, but when I dig in, it just confounds me.

This higher self being (future us) can reach across time, to some degree enter this illusion, see through our eyes, and "make better use of catalyst than we typically can"?

Ra does admit to catalyst being inefficiently used here. And one can assume that the majority of the quantity and quality of catalyst is shunned from our human perceptory webs.

Actually, now that I think of it, consider how Ra describes meditation as a means of allowing experiential data to "sink" into the roots of mind.

10.14 "The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit."

Perhaps we are armored against or impervious to most catalyst. Though catalyst originates in the subconscious regions, processed catalyst tends to consciously register (if at all) in the more superficial layers of consciousness.

Perhaps, then, the higher self is optimally poised to register, process, and assimilate catalyst in a way that our veiled and armored 3D minds are not.

STILL . . . the totality of our third-density experience, regardless of the depth with which we felt and understood it in third density, is recorded in our being. The higher self contains this record.

Maybe there is some parallel to hypnotic regression whereby the adult self experiences an episode in the earlier life that could not at the time be processed. The adult self has the tools to understand and more fully experience the earlier episode which went un-processed.



(11-16-2017, 03:04 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  What I'm suggesting is that invoking the magical personality, by putting us more in a sense of identity that is tied to the eternal now, wouldn't address the concerns you're bringing up because it isn't the kind of third density experience in the first place that prioritizes such concerns.  It would be more concerned with the essence of catalysis, not the particular forms it takes in our experience.

Maybe you're saying something similar? What we register of catalyst and what the higher self in our shoes as the higher self would register exist at different ends of the catalyst spectrum.

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11-17-2017, 12:46 AM,
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(11-16-2017, 07:45 PM)unity100 Wrote:  The 6d future self, looking back to a past time point in a way much easier than how it could if you havent invoked the magical self, is looking at the past from a wider perspective than what you are seeing in your current perspective.

Its much easier to see this entire business as focusing of consciousness, like looking at a certain small point on a movie screen as a movie goer. The higher self is focusing at a certain part of the screen at that point. Just as at the point where you are, you are focusing at a different point. When magical self is invoked, your perspectives of looking come closer. Naturally, the higher self's narrows than how it is since it is focusing to a location in the continuum, but, what it sees for that point is now much more detailed than what it saw when it was you.


Interesting that by the time I have reached your response it is beginning to feel like the progress of group mind, each of you headed in the same general trajectory but highlighting slightly variant nuances to form a more complete and coherent picture.

If you liken the higher self's totality of experience up to that point as a movie screen, then a single 3D incarnation might occupy as much space as a pixel on the screen. (Though given the weight or significance of the 3D experience behind the veil this analogy falls apart.) Invoking the magical personality calls forth the higher self to that particular pixel, seeing the richness of that pixel in more vivid detail than might have otherwise been possible.



(11-16-2017, 07:45 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
Quote:By sixth density are those memories like a dream? Like data stored on a computer? No longer vivid or even real-feeling.

Everything that happened and therefore exists, is real. It doesnt matter if they were in the past. In the past, they are real. Past constitutes an earlier state of existence in creation, and whenever you look at a point in past, entire creation is at the state it was at that past time point.

Except, what you have experienced and felt at that past time point (which is now) constitutes a very small portion of the existence of the future you, hence the feelings you felt to be very strong may not appear so stronger anymore.

I bolded your words in order to say: precisely. Nothing is ever as large or significant as it is in the immediacy of experience. The more distance in time one travels from an experience, the more condensed and less vivid it generally becomes.

I was talking with someone the other day about attempting to recall past emotions. Can you re-feel the pain you felt in that particular moment before it was healed? Can you re-feel the laughter you felt when you laughed so hard you cried? You have a narrative memory of it, but the memory seldom seems as powerful as the actual experience.

Though certain moments to indelibly etch themselves into the neural grooves.

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11-17-2017, 10:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2017, 11:35 AM by rva_jeremy.)
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(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  Again on paper that seems logical, but when I dig in, it just confounds me.

I seem to be confusing everybody lately.  Sorry!

(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  This higher self being (future us) can reach across time, to some degree enter this illusion, see through our eyes, and "make better use of catalyst than we typically can"?

Ra does admit to catalyst being inefficiently used here. And one can assume that the majority of the quantity and quality of catalyst is shunned from our human perceptory webs.

Well, I'm just speculating, but think about how much better use could you make of events from your childhood now?  I don't think the higher self experiencing our catalyst is exactly like that, but it gives one an idea of the kinds of possibilities we're talking about.  If we're going to discuss it in language, all we really have is metaphor, unfortunately.

Let's also remember that the degree to which the higher self could ever enter the illusion through this ritual window is rather slight.  It can only happen in this specialized ritual space that we create and are obliged not to allow to indefinitely persist.  It's not like the higher self is dealing with the boss at work or one's spouse, in other words -- I don't think the magical personality would ever have access to the kind of vivid, direct experience that we in waking, normal life deal with.  Maybe, as you suggest later, this is precisely what makes it so adept at using catalyst, if we can clearly distinguish catalyst from experience.

(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  Actually, now that I think of it, consider how Ra describes meditation as a means of allowing experiential data to "sink" into the roots of mind.

10.14 "The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit."

Perhaps we are armored against or impervious to most catalyst. Though catalyst originates in the subconscious regions, processed catalyst tends to consciously register (if at all) in the more superficial layers of consciousness.

Perhaps, then, the higher self is optimally poised to register, process, and assimilate catalyst in a way that our veiled and armored 3D minds are not.

Yeah, I like to be rather methodical about how I talk about this topic.  For others reading this, according to Ra's archetypal perspective, our lot in incarnation is to approach catalyst through the "container" of experience: the time-dilated, sequential phenomena that comprise "what happens to us" that we can think about as our lives.  Genuine catalyst, however, lies behind the scenes--while it is the motivating factor of (significant) experience, it gets overshadowed by the incessant barrage of details in our lives that attends incarnate experiential phenomena.  Anything deeper than that we view askance, at best.  The time/space, more abstract catalyst is made clear and workable by incarnate, space/time experience, but the experience is not itself the catalyst (although, keep in mind that many use the word "catalyst" to mean "catalyst as manifested in experience".  I'm trying to be more precise/pedantic here because I think the distinction is important to understanding how the time/space analog might function).

I imagine it's possible that the higher self can use the magical personality to more easily apprehend the underlying catalyst, since (if I'm not mistaken) catalyst is a time/space phenomenon at root?

(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  Maybe you're saying something similar? What we register of catalyst and what the higher self in our shoes as the higher self would register exist at different ends of the catalyst spectrum.

Yeah, basically.  We've discussed this before, but I believe we don't actually deal with catalyst directly in waking 3d -- instead, we conflate catalyst with experience because the latter is how catalyst manifests in space/time.  Experience is catalyst projected into space/time life, as it were.  Catalyst is, in fact, something we're much more likely to get clear on in meditation, dreams, etc., where the engine of experience is understood to be affect, feeling, concept, etc.

The interesting thing about the higher self taking over via the magical personality would be the possibility, I'm speculating, that catalyst could be dealt with much more directly, without having to be in the container of experience -- that the analog has more tools that would allow for catalyst, crossing the threshold from time/space, to get through to us.  

Your point about catalyst sinking into the roots of mind via meditation is a great corollary to that, because I get the sense that meditation is a space/time incarnate entity's best way of experiencing time/space consciously.  In other words, what if meditation is the way we, as incarnate, space/time selves, project into time/space?

I'm glad I'm not the only one talking about this, and that there's a bunch of us weighing in.  I feel like I'm just typing up concepts as they drop into my head, but I absolutely love being part of a community that draws out new insights from each of us.  So grateful for y'all!

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11-17-2017, 01:27 PM,
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(11-17-2017, 12:19 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  Mr J, I wasn't entirely grokking your notion put forward in post #8 and continued in this one. You describe the qualitatively different nature of working in spirit. In that mode, you say, one has a different navigational set of tools; as you put it, a "one employs a different profile of sensory elements." And you liken the magical personality as that aspect of the 3D self which functions in these higher or more subtle modes of consciousness, not quite the higher self.

That doesn't however jive with 75.36 which says, "When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made..."

(ellipsis)

So this higher self, which is in the relative world not the incarnate self (though ultimately two points on the same circle of beingness), gets a phone call in the invocation and subsequently bridges itself to the third-density mind/body/spirit complex. Through time/space and into space/time manifestation I believe.

The 3D self (on the other end of this bridge) then is cloaked in this this vestment of personality which is imbued with magical perception and power. This vestment of personality having, as you were indicating, that "different profile of sensory elements." Able, as I believe you were saying, to work in the subtle ways of spirit, which are a different order of magnitude than your casual lunch-choosing figure.


Well now, I am suggesting--again, for whatsoever it may be worth (you decide)--that some of the above is more apparent than real.  {Or is it the other way around?}  Or, put another way, I am trying to explore the continuity on your circle of being, specifically that between the ordinary self and the MP, as is apparent from a 3d perspective.

First of all, just to clear up one point of definition, in my experience with "metaphysical working," people casually refer to the "higher self" when contacting what Ra calls the MP.  It seems to be a form of self, it is deeply associated with self, so it makes sense to call it that.  In the context of this conversation, however, I prefer to use Ra's definition of the HS and call this other sucker the MP.

Now, what is the MP, exactly?  What is this thing that seems like a HS (is analogous to the HS, one might say)?  Looking at it from the top down, as it were, I'm suggesting it is that thing your current personality is a projection of into 3d.  So, this thing says I wanna have another fling in 3d and it chooses various lessons, personal attributes, etc., and these are you, SF, alias Gary, the guy wondering at this moment, what the hell is this crazy dude trying to say this time? 

I'm going out on a limb here, admittedly, but so far as I can see, from the bottom up, as one clarifies one's finer senses and sensibilities, as one becomes more and more rarefied, one becomes a clearer reflection of that thing from which one's 3d "self" was projected.  This is the clearer you, less inflected by the rampant confusion of 3d.  It also contains your bio from countless other projection experiences.  When you think about it, what else, exactly, would you be likely to approximate as a result of this process?


I'll indulge in a detour here to introduce a bottom up "analogy."  Say you wake up one day and find that your incarnation has timed out--game over.  What then?  Well, perhaps you will meet a transitional helper to guide you onwards?  Belike your own specific gravity will lead you onwards?  In any case, you'll need to learn to use finer sensory navigational resources than those to which you are accustomed to using in 3d (except when doing work in spirit.)  In time, if there were such a thing, you will become reconciled with your personality as you have lately known it.  Beyond that--and here I'm back out on that shaky limb--I would aver that there is an opportunity to reconnect your foregone personality with the critter which, in wandering fashion, created you as a projection into temporary 3d incarnation.  This thing, I am claiming, is your very own MP, analogous to what Ra calls the HS.


When working in spirit, as 3d beasties, we do need a cushion (or vestment) and a bridge to help us navigate the sudden change from corporeal orientation to spiritual orientation.  I'm suggesting that, gradually, over time, this leads us to becoming more transparent to our MP, allowing it to do more work directly in 3d through us as "instruments."



Clear as mud, I'm sure.  But, ya know, I'm here to try, not necessarily to succeed.  I can maybe succeed in the next incarnation.
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11-17-2017, 02:44 PM,
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RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog
Ra spoke of the state of the soul between incarnations. Similarly, Ra spoke about the uniqueness of the soul. It remains exactly this peculiarity of the "I" or the soul when we die, the body and mind of Ra consider an illusion). Our habits, inclinations ... the energies of our "I", which "there" can no longer be balanced) Only in the incarnation.
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11-17-2017, 06:32 PM,
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(11-17-2017, 12:46 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  If you liken the higher self's totality of experience up to that point as a movie screen, then a single 3D incarnation might occupy as much space as a pixel on the screen. (Though given the weight or significance of the 3D experience behind the veil this analogy falls apart.) Invoking the magical personality calls forth the higher self to that particular pixel, seeing the richness of that pixel in more vivid detail than might have otherwise been possible.

Precisely.

(11-17-2017, 12:46 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:  I bolded your words in order to say: precisely. Nothing is ever as large or significant as it is in the immediacy of experience. The more distance in time one travels from an experience, the more condensed and less vivid it generally becomes.

That would not be correct.

The experience and the emotions would be even more vivid than the time it was lived as a 3d entity, due to now being seen by a much more aware and developed 6d entity, but, the experience and its strength would be much smaller compared to the spiritual mass, which combines everything the 6d entity and its parallel existences lived/live in totality. More vivid, sharper, more understandable, possibly more meaningful, but much smaller than what it was originally experienced as.

Quote:I was talking with someone the other day about attempting to recall past emotions. Can you re-feel the pain you felt in that particular moment before it was healed? Can you re-feel the laughter you felt when you laughed so hard you cried? You have a narrative memory of it, but the memory seldom seems as powerful as the actual experience.

From a 6d entity perspective, the pain would be as sharp as it was before, but it would be seen in accompaniment to the healing of that pain, in similar sharpness and strength.

Still it would be a small experience compared to the wideness of the 6d entity.
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11-17-2017, 07:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2017, 07:58 PM by loostudent.)
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What is the difference between invoking the MP and making contact with HS (asking for guidance)?
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11-17-2017, 07:59 PM,
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(11-17-2017, 07:57 PM)loostudent Wrote:  What is the difference between invoking the MP and making contact with HS (asking for guidance)?

I don't know about the magical personality (MP) but usually the higher self lets you know it's there by sending synchronicities.

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11-17-2017, 10:53 PM,
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(11-10-2017, 10:18 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  That mostly resonates with me now that I read it.  But could you further speak upon the idea of what and how it means when you say:



Quote:If an adept is able to manifest its self all the way to sixth density while being incarnated in third density space/time-

How did you mean this?

I'm not sure what else I can say about it without repeating myself...? But, in other words: if an adept is able to open the bridge to time/space where the most of him/herself resides and invoke that personality which is discarnate into space/time during a magical working then the adept has invoked its magical personality. If an adept is able to manifest itself all the way up to the mid-sixth density where its HS resides and is able to invoke that, then the adept has invoked its HS.
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11-18-2017, 05:42 PM,
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(11-17-2017, 07:59 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  
(11-17-2017, 07:57 PM)loostudent Wrote:  What is the difference between invoking the MP and making contact with HS (asking for guidance)?

I don't know about the magical personality (MP) but usually the higher self lets you know it's there by sending synchronicities.

I meant more HS as inner guide - bringing God's presence flowing through you, a living instrument.
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11-18-2017, 06:57 PM,
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I actually don't work with my higher self much. There are other beings like my spirit guide who is closer to my own density and are more of the same plane as I am. We can help each other if we vibrate anywhere near the other. Higher self is too pure and high vibration, and close to the source that I can't make much use of it.

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