Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
12-15-2017, 03:56 PM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Okay, I think I'm done here.  It's clear I'm not helping deter the radical prejudice present here nor am I helping certain sexist individuals from learning anything.

If all you want to do is prove me wrong and you right, then no one is getting anywhere.

When you're ready to even try to see men and women in an equal light as women and men, well, I don't see that happening even any time soon.

When you're done assaulting me maybe I will consider further interactions, but as of this moment, YY, please be happy to know you'll be the first ever member I stop responding to.  Even Jade isn't so condescending and scathing as you've become.
Nor is she as misleading.  In many ways I regret time and time again doing this incarnation, you are now just another reminder of why on a long list.

People are cruel and thoughtless towards others.

I bid you in the immortal words of Fez, A Good Day.

Maybe one day I won't be personally attacked for trying to remind people we're all one and we shouldn't be so judgmental towards each other.  Maybe, but probably not.

Your love is hurtful.

And Dante, seriously, you're not helping your own cause.  By this point you've simply ensnared a few people in a charged circular debate on sexism and whom is more sexist, boys or girls.  You've ensured further separation. Congratulations on winning, you won nothing.  I will be refraining from responding to you too, as you're as bad as YY.

May you all eventually find peace through this prejudice...  I'll pray for y'all.

Maybe I'll make my own thread with a heavier attempt at aiming towards resolutions rather than anything else...
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12-15-2017, 05:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017, 05:45 PM by Dante776.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-15-2017, 03:56 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  And Dante, seriously, you're not helping your own cause.  By this point you've simply ensnared a few people in a charged circular debate on sexism and whom is more sexist, boys or girls.  You've ensured further separation. Congratulations on winning, you won nothing.  I will be refraining from responding to you too, as you're as bad as YY.

May you all eventually find peace through this prejudice...  I'll pray for y'all.

Maybe I'll make my own thread with a heavier attempt at aiming towards resolutions rather than anything else...

I'm sorry that you see my role in this that way C_A. Even YY's. I think you have it all wrong. Why does it have to be zero sum gain with you? Everything doesn't always have to be about winning or losing. That was not my purpose for this thread.

The purpose was to talk it out. Have a discussion. This is the ONLY WAY that you get to a resolution. That is how we all move toward balance. That may not be as easy and palatable as you would like it to be but I felt that it was a discussion worth having. And watch for the major media to start taking this position soon as well.

So, if you want to storm off and create another thread attempting to do the same thing, just be prepared for a lot of push back, resistance, and disagreements because people have strong feelings about this on both sides. You'll have to go through the same process. Best of luck with that!

Quote:42.2 Questioner: I will just read it very rapidly the question, then.

I am going to make a statement and ask you to comment on its degree of accuracy. I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation.

Most entities on our planet find themselves unconsciously caught up into every emotional situation which they come in contact with according to their own unique biases and because of these biases are unable to see clearly teach/learning opportunities and appropriate response in each emotional situation and must therefore, through a process of much trial and error and enduring of resulting pain repeat such situations many many times until they become consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and thusly their responses and behaviors. Once a person becomes consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and responses the next step is to allow the appropriately positive or negative responses to emotional situations to flow smoothly through their being without retaining any of the emotional coloration after it has been consciously observed and allowed to flow through the being. And I am assuming that this ability to consciously observe the positively or negatively charged energy flowing through the being may be augmented by practice of the balancing exercises you have given us with the result in balance being achieved for the entity which would allow him to remain unemotional and undistorted in regards to the Law of One in any situation much like the objective viewer of the television movie.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.
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12-15-2017, 06:49 PM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I'm sorry that you don't see the offensiveness in your posts.  I hope one day you will be able to see through other's eyes.

Good luck, love you all, even if you hurt me, that's just me hurting myself.

May peace find us all.
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12-15-2017, 09:11 PM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-15-2017, 06:49 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  I'm sorry that you don't see the offensiveness in your posts.  I hope one day you will be able to see through other's eyes.

Good luck, love you all, even if you hurt me, that's just me hurting myself.

May peace find us all.

Lighten up man. It's not that deep!

Hey, your're not going anywhere are you? I mean...we'll still see ya' on other threads, right?
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12-16-2017, 02:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-16-2017, 03:03 AM by YinYang.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:It's clear I'm not helping deter the radical prejudice present here nor am I helping certain sexist individuals from learning anything.

C_A, I doubt you can see the humour in it when a self-proclaimed misogynist announces it's clear he's not helping "deter the radical prejudice present here" or "help certain sexist individuals learn anything". As for my sarcasm earlier in the thread, that was in response to the same humour of a self-proclaimed misogynist announcing "When everyone is ready to start talking about fixing these issues, I'll be around."

I have also noticed you have a penchant for making false assertions and distorting the truth, of which I myself have now also been at the receiving end of...

Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:When you're done assaulting me maybe I will consider further interactions, but as of this moment, YY, please be happy to know you'll be the first ever member I stop responding to.

I'm sorry you see me correcting your false assertions as 'assault', instead of addressing my individual points I put to you, which was "How do you deduce from my post that I think (or have called you) a sexual predator?" and "please point out the prejudice in my post".
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12-16-2017, 08:10 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-15-2018, 05:41 PM by Dekalb_Blues.)
Saddle Up for the Ride!
(12-13-2017, 08:08 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  
C_A Wrote:It's destroying us

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Gotta learn to love that ride back to the bottom.

Jade -- LOL! Perhaps my black-humour gland is hyperactive, but somehow the delightfully cartoonish simplicity of this Tarot-card image strikes me
as almost unbearably funny, depicting as it does a sort of ultimate and anything-but-subtle overthrowing of all sorts of human fond-hopes-&-dreams.
As the Scots poet Burns put it in another connection:

The best-laid schemes o' mice and men
   Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain
   For promis'd joy!
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_a_Mouse)

I can almost hear the comic-book-style sound effects: ZAP! BOOM! AAAAAUUUGGGHHH! CRASH!!! as various hubristic best-laid schemes o' men gang agley.

As someone who's been married more times than some folks have had hot meals, and who used to work professionally in psywar to boot (and thus is knowl-
edgeable more than somewhat about the spectrum of modes of conflict from subliminal subversion to nuking -- you know, there's a reason for the lasting popu-
larity of the old adage, "All's fair in love and war"), I just can't bring myself to factionally fault-find in the current approved, politically-correct Total-War-Between-
The-Sexes fashion; I espouse, rather, a philosophy of Sadder-But-Wiser-Compassionating-Of-Our-Incarnate-Predicament-As-Wee-Sleekit-Cowrin-Tim'rous-Mortal-
Beasties.* The co-evolutionary scheme of the colluding sexes -- the affordances their mutual harmonies and (seeming) disharmonies provide for catalyst up, down,
and sideways, eight ways to Sunday -- is way more complex than the imbecile, Victim-Culture-promoting reductive schemata cynically provided for mass consumption 
courtesy of the Usual Human-Society-Destabilizatory Suspects charioteering around the galaxies creating their characteristic brand of self-servingly divisive disinform-
ative mischief.

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12-16-2017, 10:40 AM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-15-2017, 05:39 PM)Dante776 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017, 03:56 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  And Dante, seriously, you're not helping your own cause.  By this point you've simply ensnared a few people in a charged circular debate on sexism and whom is more sexist, boys or girls.  You've ensured further separation. Congratulations on winning, you won nothing.  I will be refraining from responding to you too, as you're as bad as YY.

May you all eventually find peace through this prejudice...  I'll pray for y'all.

Maybe I'll make my own thread with a heavier attempt at aiming towards resolutions rather than anything else...

I'm sorry that you see my role in this that way C_A. Even YY's. I think you have it all wrong. Why does it have to be zero sum gain with you? Everything doesn't always have to be about winning or losing. That was not my purpose for this thread.

The purpose was to talk it out. Have a discussion. This is the ONLY WAY that you get to a resolution. That is how we all move toward balance. That may not be as easy and palatable as you would like it to be but I felt that it was a discussion worth having. And watch for the major media to start taking this position soon as well.

So, if you want to storm off and create another thread attempting to do the same thing, just be prepared for a lot of push back, resistance, and disagreements because people have strong feelings about this on both sides. You'll have to go through the same process. Best of luck with that!


Quote:42.2 Questioner: I will just read it very rapidly the question, then.

I am going to make a statement and ask you to comment on its degree of accuracy. I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation.

Most entities on our planet find themselves unconsciously caught up into every emotional situation which they come in contact with according to their own unique biases and because of these biases are unable to see clearly teach/learning opportunities and appropriate response in each emotional situation and must therefore, through a process of much trial and error and enduring of resulting pain repeat such situations many many times until they become consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and thusly their responses and behaviors. Once a person becomes consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and responses the next step is to allow the appropriately positive or negative responses to emotional situations to flow smoothly through their being without retaining any of the emotional coloration after it has been consciously observed and allowed to flow through the being. And I am assuming that this ability to consciously observe the positively or negatively charged energy flowing through the being may be augmented by practice of the balancing exercises you have given us with the result in balance being achieved for the entity which would allow him to remain unemotional and undistorted in regards to the Law of One in any situation much like the objective viewer of the television movie.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

What sort of resolution do you desire that does not include winners or losers, someone being right and someone being wrong? If we are just going to agree to disagree then we can just do that. Problem solved.
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12-16-2017, 11:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-16-2017, 11:09 PM by Dante776.)
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(12-16-2017, 10:40 AM)Aion Wrote:  What sort of resolution do you desire that does not include winners or losers, someone being right and someone being wrong? If we are just going to agree to disagree then we can just do that. Problem solved.

Winners and losers is more of a competitive approach. A cooperative approach aligns with the process of integrative bargaining, which leads parties to seek win-win solutions. This is a more 'balanced' approach to conflict resolution.
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12-17-2017, 04:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2017, 04:46 AM by YinYang.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Listen Up: There Is a Solution to the Sex Abuse and Harassment Epidemic Unfolding Before Your Eyes—And You Will Be Surprised at Who Must Step Up to Succeed

The list keeps growing of powerful men accused of sexual abuse, assault, or harassment. In historical order, just to name the headliners, Bill Clinton, Fr. Paul Shanley, Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein, Roy Moore, Al Franken, John Conyers, and Charlie Rose have all faced accusations of this nature. Thank God. This is the moment that will change history, because the “kings” of our culture are being brought to the public square and revealed for what they are – craven abusers of power.

There has been intense media coverage but surprisingly little if any attention paid to the experts on sex abuse, assault and harassment, who could inject facts into the discourse. There is actually a science of child sex abuse and sex assault. Instead, there has been a lot of hand-wringing by those who do not labor in this vineyard, and over-politicization of the issues to the point that you can’t see what you need to see. When a cable news show staffs its “panel of experts” to discuss these cases solely with political reporters and pundits, they are missing the mark. Let’s start by putting some facts about sexual misconduct on the table.


About the Perpetrators: Don’t Trust Your Instincts

This is about power, and Americans typically understand how power operates. To start at the beginning, the United States is based on a basic proposition: assume everyone who has power is likely to abuse it. You can thank James Madison and the other Framers for this time-tested foundation. To be sure, they were discussing the President, Congress, and the courts (which covers Trump, Clinton, Conyers, and Franken) but, let’s face it, the same reasoning applies to the priesthood, college sports, Hollywood, music, and the media.

Each sex abuse, assault, and harassment case is about a man abusing his power over a child, woman, or man who can’t match his influence. Those in the headlines have had astronomical power over their victims, and they exploited it. Despite their power to hire and fire and make or break careers on the merits, they hedonistically grasped for more. Americans are understandably struggling with the “before” and “after” images of these men. There is a cognitive dissonance once their misdeeds become public. It’s not an either-or issue, though: these men are both their talented, successful selves and sex abusers.

It may be natural to trust your instincts about who is a predator, but it is foolhardy. A common response to these allegations is that “it cannot be true” while the person struggles to outfit the image of a powerful or “good” guy with this ugly element. These men want you to continue to be blind to that new revelation. They only get to exercise the power they do by clearing the space around them, either through mass intimidation like Weinstein or by being the “nice guy” like Clinton or Rose. They spent their whole careers persuading you that they are who they appear to be—but in reality they are not. So coming to the truth means you have to abandon your certainty about identifying sexual molesters.

It is heartbreaking when you learn that the formerly lovable Bill Cosby is despicable or that “godly” Roy Moore is in fact the guy Jesus was talking about when he said, “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” Matthew 18:6. Yet, only the truth will protect the next child or prevent other victims from piling up. As long as you self-righteously insist you can infallibly read another person’s soul, you are asking for the perverse to harm the vulnerable. To put this another way: sexual predators lie, and they tend to be really good at it.

Ken Lanning, the now-retired FBI expert on child sex abuse, has explained pedophiles in a way that also makes sense for the sexual assaulters and harassers: the reason that these guys have succeeded at harming others is because they earn people’s trust–either through accumulated power or through being the super nice guy. Their trustworthiness creates the access. So the fact that you have known someone “forever” and never seen them do one bad thing is basically irrelevant when it comes to those who sexually abuse, assault, or harass. What they are doing is not done on the street corner for you to see. Your instincts are wrong.

Perpetrators also succeed because they are duplicitous. They live a double life, and are so arrogant that they believe no one will ever know about their “indiscretions.” So when you hear someone like Trump or Moore protesting their innocence in the face of a long line of believable women, you should be thinking more about narcissism and a Messiah complex than doubting these women. The perpetrators fervently believe that they are wonderful men who don’t deserve to be brought down like this—regardless of the sexual misconduct they perpetrated. Their power is boundless, even God-given! In their self-referential world, they have magical powers to treat women and children as objects and to never be held accountable.

If you are still in denial about any of the men mentioned above, you need to re-read the preceding section.


About the Victims: Wading Through Intimidation, Humiliation, and Shame

Victims of sexual misconduct rarely make it up and often cannot come forward immediately. They have been accused by some of fabricating their claims either for publicity or because they are seeking a “pay day.” This is patently ridiculous. First, it is a matter of fact that people rarely make up sexual misconduct. This is a humiliating event, not something you want to announce from the ramparts. And the perpetrators know how to convince their victims that telling others is risky, whether it is the priest telling the kid his parents will go to hell if he tells or Weinstein threatening a young woman’s career prospects. Second, the “pay day” allegations are also just ignorance of the law. The vast majority of these victim’s claims are well beyond the statute of limitations. This is especially true for the harassment victims, whose statutes of limitation are measured in days–180 to 300 days to be precise. They have no legal leverage at this point; they are just trying to do the right thing by telling the public the emperor has no clothes. Even if they were within statute, the point of such claims is to shift the cost of the misconduct from the victim to the one(s) who caused it. That is just fair.

Some Americans also have attacked the victims’ credibility because they took so long to come forward. In reality, though, sexual misconduct victims often do take decades to come forward. In fact, the delay is often an indicator of their truthfulness, ironically enough. All sorts of coping mechanisms get in the way of coming forward earlier, from self-blaming and denial to PTSD and alcohol and drug addiction. This goes back to the toxicity of the power differential. They feel small, ashamed, humiliated, worthless, and intimidated all at once. The misconduct can come to define them in their own minds and lead to a dramatic shift in their self-worth, confidence, and even their career choices. All the while, the powerful abuser struts around in the public square proving his immense worth. And you wonder why it takes victims so long?


About the Context of the Misconduct

One of the reasons that you did not know about all these guys is that they create their conditions to dominate and to disempower the victim in secrecy. It’s not enough that they are already more powerful than the victim; they also like to isolate their prey. Notice how many of the cases you have heard about recently involve the perpetrators’ home, a hotel room, or a car. The victims have been lured into places where the perpetrator is in complete control, literally king of his domain. Why? Because they don’t want to be stopped, and, remember, this is a power trip. Trapping the prey is part of the conquest.

The public’s general ignorance of the facts of sexual misconduct– including the characteristics of the predator, the disabilities of the victim, and the secret contexts—has too often betrayed the victims and led to affirmation of the man who will simply do it again. The facts can help turn that around. But lasting change must go beyond attitudes to action.


The Other Factors That Have Created a Vicious Cycle of Seemingly Endless Sexual Misconduct

The public’s ignorance of the facts of sexual abuse, assault, and harassment, and the intimidation and shaming of the victims are not the only reasons sexual misconduct gets buried. Just as importantly, there are the legal mechanisms that drive these claims underground.

First, as discussed above, the statutes of limitation have been inexcusably short. For the children, many states continue to have indefensibly short SOLs. For the women raped years ago, the rape SOLs were short then, and the Supreme Court has made it impossible to give them a second chance at criminal prosecution under Stogner v. California. As discussed above, sexual harassment claims are cut off very quickly!

Second, nondisclosure agreements have permitted women to shift the cost of healing from their shoulders to the perpetrators’, but they have had to accept a gag in order to get this much justice. Given their feelings of intimidation and humiliation at the time of signing the agreements, they could easily be persuaded that the nondisclosure mandate is “all for the best.” No one more than the victim wants this to just be over. Moreover, they were usually led to believe that they were the “only one” anyway, so what good was having a bullhorn? Lawyers for the perpetrators routinely—with a straight face—tell the victim she was the very first to report, while having settled dozens more cases just like hers. Weinstein loved these agreements, which gave him carte blanche for the next victim, but he was not the only one. They were also popular with the Catholic bishops and abusers across the spectrum for decades. The defense lawyers advised their offensive clients that this would solve the “problem.”

Third, the insurance companies that were on the hook for the bad behavior of employees actively pushed companies to either rebuff the woman’s claims with hardball tactics or, second best, enter these secret settlements to avoid future liability. Few understand how the insurance industry drives settlements in virtually every sphere, e.g., the employment sphere, as here. Employers have insurance against employee misbehavior, and insurance companies have paid or partially paid many of the settlements in the sexual misconduct arena from the churches to the companies to the media. For them, there has been one value and one value alone: reduce exposure. If that means helping a perp get off and go on to graze for the next victim, their attitude has been “not my problem.”

Thus, the legal system and the greed of the insurance industry have perversely operated to empower abusers of all stripes. To be blunt: a lot of the responsibility for the perpetuation of sexual misconduct lies at the feet of the insurance companies. It’s time they become part of the solution instead.


It Is Time for the Insurance Industry to Find a Moral Compass and Stem This Tide of Sexual Misconduct

There is a systemic solution to the sexual misconduct pandemic, and it requires the insurance industry to step up. The vast majority of these claims are in the civil arena, because so few prosecutions go forward with the “beyond a reasonable doubt standard.” (Prosecutors are elected officials who watch their win-loss ratios closely. The public would be shocked by how few of the cases involving sexual abuse and assault are ever prosecuted despite strong evidence, but that is another column for another day.) That puts the insurance system on center stage due to its power to coerce better practices with the threat of no or escalating coverage. It has been no friend to victims as it has implemented non-disclosure agreements, intimidated victims, and avidly lobbied against statute of limitations reform.

If the industry declines to reform its predator-friendly practices, it’s time for hearings on Capitol Hill, which would supplement the recent hearings to enact legislation and rules to govern sexual harassment in Congress. They should probably happen anyway, but if there is no major insurance reform to solve the problem, there is no choice but to subpoena the executives. In all likelihood, Congress and the state legislatures will need to coerce them to do the right thing. The insurance industry has the power to turn around at least the workplace on these issues if it starts demanding the kind of preventative practices only it can effectively enforce and punishes those who harbor perpetrators with escalating premiums and the threat of no coverage.

With respect to members of Congress, it’s not the insurance world that matters, but rather a corrupt federal system ensconced in federal law. Interestingly, it needs the same fixes as the insurance industry, though, so I will include it in the discussion below.

Here is where we need to start to bring industries, institutions, and Congress into line:

First, non-disclosure agreements in sexual misconduct cases violate public policy and should be made unenforceable. While it is reasonable to permit the parties to agree that the settlement number is confidential, the perpetrator and/or entity should not be permitted to gag the victim. Non-disclosure agreements have been the darlings of the insurance companies and a mandatory feature of the federal system. The congressional victim has one route: to enter a lengthy and dysfunctional process at the end of which, if there is a settlement, secrecy is forced on her.

I would expect the insurance industry to sic its lobbyists on members contemplating a paradigm shift in this arena and to fight any bill that neutralizes nondisclosure clauses. But this is one of those instances where the public disclosure is so obviously in the common good that lawmakers need to put cotton in their ears. Besides, perhaps my cynical expectation that the industry (and members of Congress) will fight for nondisclosure agreements to the detriment of the common good is misplaced. One can hope daily scandals will guide the industry and federal government to a moral compass that points toward policies that protect the vulnerable rather than the predators and their complicit institutions.

Second, eliminate the SOLs for sex abuse, assault, and harassment. Let the victims come forward when they are ready, not according to some artificial deadline. 99% of the women who have come forward against the list of men at the start of this article were barred from the judicial process. This is a cause the insurance companies have been fighting for decades—against their better interests. They don’t want SOLs to open up, because more perpetrators and at-fault institutions named, which increases their liability. Yet, it’s better for them to permit the SOLs to be liberalized, because it concretizes their liabilities and makes it possible to demand that a perpetrator be fired so that they can avoid future liability. With short SOLs, the cycle of misconduct, settlement, misconduct, settlement remains in place, which does not serve the industry’s ultimate ends.

Third, insurance companies (and Congress) need to institute workplace rules with teeth that are a pre-condition to coverage and/or service that halt the secrecy spiral:

• To qualify for coverage or to maintain one’s status in Congress, there should be mandatory training, as in real training conducted by professionals and not in-house people, on the rules of sexual misconduct from abuse and assault to harassment. It should be made clear that no one gets a pass—not the perpetrator and not the bystander, or observer. There should be mandatory reporting internally and to the authorities when a crime has occurred. Reporters must be shielded from retaliation.

• Employers and Congress should be required to pledge to discharge any employee who has engaged in sexual misconduct, and that determination follows an investigation. Recommendations for other jobs would be required to disclose the sexual misconduct. Failure to disclose would create liability for the company that discharged the predator.

• Employers and Congress must institute meaningful zero tolerance policies for sexual misconduct that are worth the paper they are written on. Most companies have pro forma policies but in practice, as we have learned, supervisors are wont to ignore allegations if the man serves the organization’s interests, whether it be image, power, or money. If it turns out a company’s supervisor learned about sexual misconduct and ignored it, that should come with the heavy price of steeply increased premiums. The member of Congress who fails to disclose knowledge of sexual misconduct should be subject to mandatory censure.

• There need to be annual sexual misconduct audits. If there is reason to be suspicious, the insurance company (or relevant committee in Congress) must investigate all allegations with special focus on any cover-up. Results are to be released to the public, not buried.

• Policies related to off-premises business or institution-related activities need to be tightened up. If the employee is performing work for the organization or in its name off-premises, as was Charlie Rose at his home, the company should be liable for any misconduct and the insurance company on the hook. There need to be rigid rules about work off-premises (other than flex-time when there is no employee interaction). Charlie Rose’s and Weinstein’s off-premises activities couldn’t have happened but for the environment. They weren’t going to parade around nude and uncovered at work.

Fourth, as I discussed here, the defamation laws need to be rewritten to protect the victim who goes public. None of these guys should be permitted to rattle the saber of defamation like Cosby, Trump, or Moore. The first order of business in any such claim should be an expedited proceeding on the facts of the sexual misconduct. If the victim proves the acts occurred to a preponderance of the evidence, the perpetrator should be liable for treble damages and attorneys fees. The remedy will deter such lawsuits except for the most narcissistic predators.

Find a comfortable place to read this holiday weekend, because more sexual abuse, assault, and harassment stories will roll across your Twitter and Facebook news feeds. There will be lots to read. Oh, wait, if you’re one of the guys waiting for the sexual misconduct shoe to drop, I suppose you won’t be that comfortable. Good. Welcome to a world where the vulnerable have a chance at justice.

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12-17-2017, 05:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2017, 05:28 AM by YinYang.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
And the revelation continues...

The Republican Lawmaker Who Secretly Created Reddit’s Women-Hating ‘Red Pill’

Thankfully he's out of a job now. 200 000 subscribers to this little corner of the internet... another parallel universe made visible.
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12-17-2017, 11:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 06:41 PM by Dante776.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Stranger Wrote:Notice above that 41% of rape cases were found to be false allegations.
YinYang Wrote:I'm sorry Stranger, but this is simply not true...

The truth about false rape accusations

I'm not oblivious to the fact that these things happen, but let's not silence the voices exposing a global epidemic of unthinkable scale with something else that pales into insignificance at this stage.


From your article...


What kind of person makes false rape accusations?

False rape accusations loom large in the cultural imagination. We don’t forget the big ones: The widely-read 2014 Rolling Stone article, later retracted, about a brutal gang rape at the University of Virginia; the 2006 accusations against innocent members of the Duke University lacrosse team. These cases are readily cited by defense attorneys and Republican lawmakers and anyone else who wants a reason to discuss the dangers of false allegations. What if a woman has consensual sex, and then regrets it the next day? What if a woman gets dumped by her boyfriend and decides to accuse him of rape as revenge? What if she’s just doing it for attention? Are false accusations reaching epidemic levels in today’s hard-drinking hookup culture, where the lines of consent have been blurred? Critics argue that reports of rape should be treated with more caution, since men’s lives are so often ruined by women’s malicious lies.[...]

Quote:Kanin reported that 41% of 109 consecutive rape cases investigated by the police department of a small, Midwestern city over a 9-year period were determined to be false reports.
https://icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
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12-17-2017, 11:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 10:03 AM by Dante776.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-17-2017, 05:25 AM)YinYang Wrote:  And the revelation continues...

The Republican Lawmaker Who Secretly Created Reddit’s Women-Hating ‘Red Pill’

Thankfully he's out of a job now. 200 000 subscribers to this little corner of the internet... another parallel universe made visible.


From your attached article...


TAKING THE RED PILL

[...] The Red Pill borrows its name from a scene in “The Matrix” in which Morpheus offers Neo a choice between two realities: “You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill… and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.”

In manosphere-speak, the rabbit hole is feminism, which the red pill reveals to be a War on Men. In this reality, the “feminine imperative” reigns; masculinity is its victim. As a result of this power struggle, old gender dynamics formerly seen as mutually beneficial, such as marriage, have all but disappeared, but female expectations of a pedestalled life unfairly remain.[...] The Red Pill guides men as they become accustomed to this new “reality.” It advocates self-improvement: the importance of diet, exercise, and constant learning.

RAPE AND THE RED PILL

Part of the pain inflicted on him by one of his exes, or so Fisher claimed: the alleged threat of a rape accusation against him.

Fisher claimed online that during a bitter breakup, an ex-girlfriend threatened to accuse him of rape. “She didn’t follow through, thank god,” Fisher, under the alias Pk_atheist, wrote in 2012. Whether or not the threat actually occurred, Fisher’s posts reveal an ongoing paranoia over being accused of date rape.

In his original ‘Welcome to the Red Pill’ post in October 2012, Fisher warned that in today’s feminist world, “A guy can approach a woman, be assertive, and if she’s attracted, there’s a hookup. Yet, if he’s not attractive, this EXACT behavior is “creepy”… If you’re unattractive, feminism tells us, you’re likely a rapist… men are tip-toeing to make sure they don’t accidentally become rapists themselves.” Four years after its founding, “rape hysteria,” remains a central topic of discussion on the forum.

On r/TheRedPill, Pk_atheist admitted in December 2012 to supposedly video-taping sexual encounters with women in order to protect against false rape allegations.

Men, Fisher said, should always take action to protect themselves against a past partner accusing them of rape. Online, Fisher advised another user to be careful not to offend prior flings whom he’d ghosted. Insulting a woman, he maintained, was likely to set off a deluge of sudden false accusations. “…If she feels insulted, your incidence of false rape accusations or pregnancy scares go waaaaaaaaay up,” he counseled.[...]
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12-18-2017, 12:30 AM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
"Why Aren't Men Fighting Back?"
There is a MRA movement since William Farrell many years ago.

Most recent documentary show several of them (its not free)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLzeakKC6fE

However many believe that there is no point since the system is so biased. Identity politics at least in the angloamerican systems has absorbed the women's movement into 3rd and 4th wave feminism and created a deep division between men and women.

So many men go MGTOW...
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(12-18-2017, 12:30 AM)crimson Wrote:  "Why Aren't Men Fighting Back?"
There is a MRA movement since William Farrell many years ago.

Most recent documentary show several of them (its not free)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLzeakKC6fE

However many believe that there is no point since the system is so biased.  Identity politics at least in the angloamerican systems has absorbed the women's movement into 3rd and 4th wave feminism and created a deep division between men and women.

So many men go MGTOW...

EDIT: I meant Warren Farrell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell
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Dante, out of a sense of morbid curiosity I looked into this 'Red Pill' group on Reddit over the weekend, it's quite a large group of disenfranchised men fuelling each other's hatred of women and society at large. I had no idea these extreme views are shared by such a large group of men, it really is a parallel universe made visible to me. It didn't upset or anger me, it made me very sad for them. I'm well versed on the topic of cults, and while I thought I have now heard of almost every type of philosophy cults have formed around, this was a first.

This is a prime example of what Ra calls "catalyst gone awry", as far as the founder of this group goes. And now he's channelling that hatred through this movement and riling up other vulnerable and wounded young men in society. It's negative polarisation, if you swallow the philosophy and the lies espoused by them. As a woman, I can confidently tell you that everything they say about women are lies.

In addition, in which reality will any healthy woman consent to being filmed during sex? Given that it appears to me that you are giving this group the nod of approval, of which the more radical members are openly advocating rape, I think it's pointless trying to talk any sense into you at this juncture.

There's a recovery group on Reddit for ex Red Pill men who have swallowed this toxic philosophy in the past, and their posts are typical of cult recovery discussion forums.

Here's the link if you're interested - https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/

And here's an insightful article...

Quote:Spitting out the Red Pill: Former misogynists reveal how they were radicalised online

Subscribers of Reddit's most notoriously sexist subreddit explain what happens when you change your mind.

João describes swallowing the Red Pill as a feeling greater than winning the lottery.

Aged 17 and a self-described “late bloomer virgin”, he was growing apprehensive about going to college when he stumbled across online men's rights forums that seemed to hold all the answers. “I believed in it so much,” the now 24-year-old tells me via Skype from his home in Portugal, “It was such a fantastic thing to me… Back then I used to say that I was so happy about finding out about the Red Pill and pick up artists that I would rather be with them than win the lottery.

“I don't know why I believed so deeply because it really makes no sense.”

Though João experienced two happy years with fellow Red Pillers, his opinions have now drastically changed.  During the course of our half hour conversation, he uses one word exactly twenty times: “cult”.

The Red Pill is a philosophy, and reddit.com/r/TheRedPill is its home. The nearly 200,000 subscriber strong subreddit describes itself as a place for the “discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.” In itself, perhaps this doesn’t sound too bad.

In practice, to “swallow the Red Pill” is to accept the uncomfortable truth about reality. The phrase comes from 1999’s hit film The Matrix, in which the protagonist Neo must choose between the Red Pill – which would allow him to escape the Matrix but see the real, darker world – and the Blue Pill – continued existence in his comfortable, but ultimately fake, life.

In r/TheRedPill’s instance, the “dark truths” that the subreddit’s subscribers have swallowed are these: feminism is toxic, sexism is fake, men have it harder than women, and everything the media teaches about relationships is a lie. In reality (the argument goes) women don’t want soft-centred men/chocolates; they want to be dominated, controlled, and manipulated. The most extreme Red Pillers even believe that women want to be raped.

“Rejection is not rejection,” reads an extract from the subreddit’s most popular post. “When a woman insults you, belittles you, mocks you, or says something provocative to get a reaction — these are all examples of active tests.” By following the subreddit’s advice, its subscribers are promised a life of successful sexual encounters. If they ignore the Red Pill, they will undoubtedly be rejected, cheated on, and dumped.

“They have theories that are not easy to prove or disprove, they are based on beliefs like all women cheat, they like cheating, and all women are not loyal,” explains João. “There’s this whole conspiracy thing where women are against you, they are this imagined enemy… as well as there's a whole conspiracy that society is against men, that society is anti-male so to speak, that liberals are fucking up society, that feminism is fucking up society.

“I believed everything, everything. And if you didn't believe everything… if you go on Red Pill Reddit and you disagree with someone they either delete your comments or they try to make fun of you and shame you. You can't criticise anything because people will quickly try to diminish you. So I really believed every little thing.”

Beliefs such as “all women are evil” and “all women cheat” are what are known as conspiracy stereotypes. Like traditional conspiracy theories, they often rely on cherry-picked evidence. The Red Pill in particular exploits evolutionary psychology to argue that women are wired to want men with a strong “frame”. Much of the subreddit’s misogyny is justified by one of their favourite acronyms, AWALT: “all women are like that”.

“The movement’s use of evolutionary psychology convinced my rational mind that everything I read was a scientific fact supressed by feminists,” explains Jack, a British 24-year-old former r/TheRedPill subscriber.

“I began to see male victimhood throughout society,” he tells me over Reddit’s messaging service. “It fed the confirmation biases that society was built around men catering to women in return for sex.”

Mike Wood, a lecturer at the University of Winchester and an expert on the psychology behind conspiracy theories, explains that people who believe in conspiracy stereotypes such as AWALT tend to have what is known as a “Manichean” worldview.

“They feel the world is divided into absolute good and absolute evil, and the people behind the conspiracies are of course the absolute evil ones," he says.

Psychologists have a concept, entitativity, which describes the extent to which a group of people are perceived as a single entity. "If you think that a group is entitative, it’s like a swarm of bees or ants," Wood explains. "They’re not just a collection of individuals, they’re actually that a single organism that moves with singular purpose. I think that’s probably likely to be true for groups like the Red Pill, that look at women and see just a flock of harpies.”

Subscribers' experiences in the real world can reinforce their misogynistic views. Trevor*, a 34-year-old former Red Piller, explains how the subreddit led him to towards more extreme views of women.

“When I was 30, I broke up with a woman who was just not a very good person,” he tells me over Skype. “I broke up with her one the phone…20, 30 minutes later she shows up [to my apartment] completely hysterical. I remember I had a large metal tin bowl with potatoes on the counter which I was going to cook for dinner or something, and she grabs it, chucks the potatoes all through the apartment… her shirt catches on a corner of a countertop and then she proceeds to tear the rest of it off like Hulk Hogan.”

When Trevor decided to call the police, it was he that ended up arrested. “I went from being in my home peacefully to being in a jail cell all because I’m a man and she's a woman.

“Now that was a very immoral human being who I was dealing with, certainly not all women are like that but that’s another brainwashing technique of the Red Pill, they say that all women are the same…

“It kind of tricks you so you're agreeing about one thing and the next thing you know you're agreeing about all these other things.”

These “tricks” aren’t accidental, according to João in Portugal, who now firmly believes that the Red Pill is akin to a cult.

“If you go to Red Pill and you say something that those guys don't really like then they will just delete your comments or just say that you are a ‘mangina’ or a ‘feminist’ or a ‘cuck’," he told me. "They have this social influence mechanism where they pre-emptively invalidate all criticism by criticising people back… and it is typical of cults to do this.” Other Red Pillers I spoke to also mentioned the threat of harassment.

João also believes the Red Pill preys on those who are easily manipulated – be they young, nerdy, insecure, virgins, or simply going through a difficult time in life. Most of the ex-Red Pillers I spoke to were teenagers when they became involved in the subreddit, and most say they were exceptionally lonely at the time.

Callum*, a 29-year-old from Western Pennsylvania, has a mild case of Asperger’s syndrome and speculates that “a great many” people on the Red Pill are likely on the spectrum. He became involved with the online men's rights forums at 19. Though he had spent much of his time at school not caring about girls, he became insecure when he started college.

“I worried that I wasn't thin enough, I wasn't tall enough, I wasn't endowed enough,” he tells me over Reddit. “I started getting very bitter about relationships in general. At no point was I ever actually angry or bitter towards women, but I was frustrated with the established societal rules, that men had to put on the show and be the best they could and that women got to pick and choose without trying much themselves, and I wasn't being picked.

“When I turned to the Red Pill subreddit I immediately felt like I figured it out. Like a cult, they give you a few obvious truths (men should be more confident, work towards physical fitness, women aren't divine perfect beings to be worshipped but flawed people, etc.). I definitely think that this enabled me to slide into accepting the more toxic beliefs of the subreddit.

“Any time someone said something outright sexist or alarming, too much for me, others would interject and say that those are just being angry and we should let them vent.”

Over the last year, the Red Pill subreddit has become a home for other hateful beliefs. A year ago, the alt-right’s most vocal figurehead, Milo Yiannopoulous, did an AMA (“ask me anything”) on the sub. It is now commonly accepted that the alt-right recruited men from the Red Pill and attempted to radicalise them. In fact, the alt-right has become so conflated with the Red Pill that this month a brand new subreddit – the Red Pill Right – had to be made. “My focus with this new sub is to keep us from diluting the discussion of sexual strategy on our main sub,” wrote its creator.

But how has a place designed for discussions about sex and women become so radically political?

“That is the power of the ideology,” explains Jack, the British Red Piller. “It gives you a lens that brings out the most cynical explanation of social activities…  For a while, it seemed as if a blindfold was lifted and I saw manipulation everywhere.”

Jack became involved with the Red Pill when he was 23, and had been single for a “long” time. “I was numb, lonely and desperate,” he says. “It was a terrible time in my life.”

Though Jack only spent two months on the subreddit, he quickly fell in with anti-feminist and libertarian rhetoric. “An uncomfortable misogynistic streak grew within me,” he says. “At one point [I] thought that Donald Trump was a good candidate for President.”

Like many of the places we frequent online, the Red Pill has become an echo chamber. The psychologist I spoke to, Mike Wood, told me this can lead to people adopting more and more extreme views. "If you’re in some sort of a group that defines itself by its opinions, then people will get more and more polarised over time," he says. "Individuals will try to conform to what the group mandates.” This is true of not just the Red Pill, but its opponents. While radical feminists on Tumblr, for example, become more extreme in their views, so too does the subreddit. In many ways, the extremes of each group justify one another's existence in their minds.

“People within the group will try to get social approval from other members of the group,” Wood continues. “So they’ll play to that standard that they’re supposed to live up to – and then people will take it further because they reason ‘If I’m more extreme about this then I will get more approval’, so the norms of the group shift over time.”

Jack’s story aligns with this. “Trump represented everything that the Red Pill told me to value at the time in a mainstream political candidate: anti-PC, anti-feminist and social Darwinist policy,” he says. Those aspects of Trump that he still found unpalatable, or racist, he accepted as "a price to pay for the other stuff".

There exists another misogynistic subreddit which is, in fact, deeper and darker than the Red Pill. Reddit.com/r/Incels is a place for “involuntary celibates” – people who are struggling to lose their virginity – to talk. In theory, once again, this is not terrible. In practice, however, the nearly 10,000 subscriber strong group breeds bitterness towards women, and a hatred of “Chads” – men who are romantically successful. Elliot Rodger, the Santa Barbara student who killed six people in 2014, considered himself an incel.

For Callum, the Red Piller from Western Pennsylvania, this subreddit spoke more specifically to his own situation. “The feelings of inferiority and utter hopelessness are indescribable and the worst things I have ever felt in my life,” he says. “I think that outsiders looking in just deem these people very bitter and angry and don't understand the long process it takes to get there… It takes a long and drawn out battle with yourself that those people have lost.

“It's listening to the voices in your head, telling you how s*** you are, telling you that you will never be wanted, never be normal, all your friends and family are laughing at you behind your back at failing at the easy task of finding a girlfriend. You are a walking shame to your gender. Nothing you can do can overshadow such laughable inferiority. You are nothing.”

It is easy to see how the inferiority complex of Incels and the superiority complex of Red Pillers both in turn breed hatred and contempt. However, some subscribers to the subreddits manage to avoid being radicalised. From those I spoke to, it seems this is more likely if they have pre-existing political beliefs or circumstances that contradict the theories of the group.

Tim*, a 22-year-old from New Zealand, believes that r/Incels didn’t lead him to become a misogynist because he was already interested in progressive and feminist politics. He found the sub when he was 16, after growing frustrated with the advice on Red Pill and other sites. As a self-described “nerdy” young man, Tim felt anxious about how relationships worked.

“I'm not very good at following my nose in those sorts of situations,” he says. “I can't dance for instance, because I have no idea what specifically to do, so anything without a ‘rulebook’ is pretty much impossible for me.

“I spent so long searching for my ‘rulebook’ until I realised that it's doesn't exist, no one seems to have any clue what makes a relationship happen. It kinda drives you mad thinking like that, that you're the only person in the world who doesn't ‘get it’. That's where places like r/Incels come in.”

Tim says that the fact he has always been friends with women might have meant he wasn’t convinced by the group’s misogyny. “It's possible to accept that you'll be alone forever, and accept that you're very unhappy about that, without becoming hateful or misogynistic. But it seems like everyone kind of forgets that,” he says.

Louis*, a 19-year-old from Albany, New York, joined r/Incels aged 16, and does feel that it made him more bitter and misanthropic. “You feel the world actively hates you so you need to hate it back,” he says. Nonetheless, he stopped frequenting the subreddit when, like the Red Pill, it began spreading extreme right-wing beliefs. “The alt-right is how I broke from incels as the racism sort of woke me up to the reality of it,” explains Louis, who is black.

Each of the Redditors I spoke to has a different reason for leaving the Red Pill.

João and Jack were both influenced by Mark Manson, author of Models: Attract Women Through Honesty. “Most of what he talks about is the mind-set to care for oneself and strive to improve. Hate is energy better spent finding and enjoying activities you love,” says Jack, who also began reading about feminism.

João says he left the Red Pill because he was attracting girls that were “emotionally damaged” and not “mentally healthy”. He also felt like its advice didn’t really work. “I was going out to bars to talk to women and I would have to talk with like literally like 100 girls just to pick up one, so the whole thing is a numbers game, a probability thing,” he says. He now considers himself a feminist and has a “fantastic girlfriend” who he has been with for nearly three years.

For Callum, it took “a series of psychedelic trips” to begin getting out of both the Red Pill and Incels. “The very idea of gender was alien to me when tripping hard enough,” he says. When I ask him how he feels about women now, he says: “I still hold on to the belief that women enjoy a major advantage in the dating world even though they suffer disadvantages in other parts of life." Nevertheless he now sees women as "scared, flawed, imperfect humans just like I am".

Not everyone who has left the Red Pill, then, did so because of some feminist revelation. Trevor, the man who ended up in a police cell after a confrontation with his ex, still holds many of the subreddit’s beliefs.

“Look, a lot of what they say is true unfortunately,” he says. “So it isn’t really a question of I don’t believe any of that any more, it's just I don’t believe it’s useful to continuously expose myself to that sort of stuff.” Although Trevor says the Red Pill helped him to “bed an unusually high number of women”, he now desires deeper relationships and hopes one day to start a family.  

Trevor has only been out of the subreddit for a few months, and it isn’t apparent whether his views will slowly change. As it stands, however, he believes that our culture is breeding itself out of existence, that the Red Pill and feminism are equally toxic in contributing to this, and that women who sleep around are "indirectly contributing to the depopulation of the white race".

“I’m roommates with some Muslim people here, some Algerians, two girls and a guy, and these people take themselves more seriously," he says. "They kind of understand the importance of the tribe and community and family."

There is one Red Pill belief, however, that Trevor has completely shunned. “One thing I do believe is you can show a little vulnerability to your significant other,” he says. “A little, a little.”

No one still active on the Red Pill would admit that they are simply lonely, young, or vulnerable. The group is exceptionally hostile to outsiders, and the toxic beliefs on the subreddit easily inspire revulsion and hatred on first sight. But we are perhaps as guilty of considering Red Pillers a complete entity as they are considering all women to be joined together in some evil mission. In reality, there are many complex stories behind the subreddit, with some ex-users even claiming that they were struggling to come to terms with the fact they were gay or trans.

Every man on the Red Pill has a different story. However, each of them do have striking similarities. The main one is anger. Like the name of the subreddit itself, it is blazing red. We must understand the psychology behind the philosophy not to condone it, but to better tackle the poisonous spider slowly infecting those across the web.

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12-18-2017, 08:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 09:28 AM by YinYang.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Hey C_A

Thanks for reaching out to me in PM, I guess you’re the bigger person here. I am really sorry for how I hurt you, there is no excuse. I feel awful.

I hope my PM shed a little light on how the cookie crumbled here over quite some time. It doesn’t excuse my behaviour of course, and I thank you for forgiving me.

You are smart, funny and talented, and I had no right to throw diagnoses around without even knowing you, or knowing your past or your triggers. For that I sincerely apologise. Thank you for the catalyst, it was needed.

I will be taking a hiatus from this forum for a while, it’s just too messy. I had a clear dream the other night, in it I was stuck in a traffic jam. I was close to the back of the traffic jam, with only a few cars behind me, and a truck sped up to us from behind whose breaks had obviously failed and slammed into the cars at the back. All the people in the cars behind me were dead, and I narrowly escaped. It was such a clear dream that I knew it had to mean something.

I lay there in bed and knew that the “stuck” feeling is how I feel when I participate here. It troubles me. I don’t know if I helped some, I’m pretty sure I hurt some and f***** up on numerous occasions, but it’s time to move on - the ever dancing Yin and Yang... Sorry to everyone I ever hurt here, I’m not so good with putting a guard in front of my mouth…. aaaaaand, I’m tired of fighting.

My only advice (thank you Alan Watts), is don’t take yourselves so seriously. Remember to laugh, remember to play, and remember the humour. I love you all, thanks for a wild ride!
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12-18-2017, 10:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 10:20 AM by Dante776.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-18-2017, 03:16 AM)YinYang Wrote:  Dante, out of a sense of morbid curiosity I looked into this 'Red Pill' group on Reddit over the weekend, it's quite a large group of disenfranchised men fuelling each other's hatred of women and society at large. I had no idea these extreme views are shared by such a large group of men, it really is a parallel universe made visible to me. It didn't upset or anger me, it made me very sad for them. I'm well versed on the topic of cults, and while I thought I have now heard of almost every type of philosophy cults have formed around, this was a first.

This is a prime example of what Ra calls "catalyst gone awry", as far as the founder of this group goes. And now he's channelling that hatred through this movement and riling up other vulnerable and wounded young men in society. It's negative polarisation, if you swallow the philosophy and the lies espoused by them. As a woman, I can confidently tell you that everything they say about women are lies.

In addition, in which reality will any healthy woman consent to being filmed during sex? Given that it appears to me that you are giving this group the nod of approval, of which the more radical members are openly advocating rape, I think it's pointless trying to talk any sense into you at this juncture.

There's a recovery group on Reddit for ex Red Pill men who have swallowed this toxic philosophy in the past, and their posts are typical of cult recovery discussion forums.

Here's the link if you're interested - https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/

YinYang...Just to be clear here, those two articles were articles you referenced in your post. I had never heard of the Red Pill group until you posted them in your message.  I 'do not' see myself at that extreme end of the masculine pendulum, but it just goes to show that there are men out there that are espousing the same kind of rhetoric that you are espousing from a female perspective. So, where does it end? So long!
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12-18-2017, 10:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 10:25 AM by YinYang.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Yes, it was your selective pickings of the article (and exclusion of some troublesome things), that made me act on a hunch... so long to you too, and good luck on "fighting back". By the way, there's a reason we practise Jungian psychology today, and not Freudian psychology. One was a genius and pioneer, the other pathological - in reference to your "penis envy" stab...
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12-18-2017, 10:26 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 10:58 AM by Dante776.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-18-2017, 10:17 AM)YinYang Wrote:  Yes, it was your selective pickings of the article (and exclusion of some troublesome things), that made me act on a hunch... so long to you too, and good luck on "fighting back". By the way, there's a reason we practise Jungian psychology today, and not Freudian psychology. One was a master, the other pathological - in reference to your "penis envy" stab...

The same can be said about you and the awfully hurtful things you said about Coordinate_Apotheosis and many other men that are reading your posts. And from that last line, it seems to me that you are determined to keep the "fight" going!
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12-18-2017, 10:32 AM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I'll leave the fighting to you, Dante, good luck with that!
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12-18-2017, 11:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2017, 11:49 PM by crimson. Edit Reason: wrong word )
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I believe all this is the result of the increase in orange energy, less available yellow to be really usable anyway. I see these developments as "normal", at least due to the conditions in this planet. Although green is right here, ready to be used by those able to use it but appears to be bringing all kinds of behaviors in many people. However, I am considering importance of geographical locations more than before as well. At least for me. It seems things would get somewhat worse before getting better. Seems that way to me anyway. However, couples are forming and will form but probably more and more of an entirely different nature. I am talking about the dual activated people now reincarnated and reincarnated (reincarnating). I see these as the natural development, however I don't see marriage to be that important anymore.
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04-18-2020, 01:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-18-2020, 01:58 AM by rinzler.)
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I'm sorry to make this thread resurface but I think it's more relevant now than ever. We're being played against each other and few are capable of overcoming their own biases. There are good and bad men and women out there. One can see that on the amount of people who are going to be harvested. I'd say it's below 1 percent to be honest(Ra's 3D STO-society had less than 15%, that says a lot). Enough to make a difference for the polarity of this planet but still the majority of interaction with other people on this planet is going to suck because most are imbalanced.

Also the wanderers who come here, some of them work on their own issues which creates even more issues. (see Don,Carla and Jim) They've talked about in in the channelings.

Hell the only thing this does is create more energy for the negatives . It shows how f***** up this system on the planet truly is. Ra's social memory complex isn't about saving or changing anything. They're saving themselves. The intereference with humanity caused them to accumulate negative karma. They practically birthed the illuminati by their misguided love.

I'd say if you truly want real good help ask your higher self to help you resolve biases, trauma and such. It is the only thing in existence that knows what's best for you. It is literally you in the future. Being able to talk to it is like having all the cheat codes to the game. They won't be able to touch you. Of course this is a skill that is super hard to acquire but I've read about a few who've shared their experiencese and it seems to pay off a lot.

Anytime you interact with someone their biases, opinions etc affect you. You become involved. The interaction might make some trauma resurface and show you what needs to be healed but it is a inefficent way to do so in my opinon. Trough meditation you can trigger it yourself and work with it in your mind which is in my view a lot easier. The teachings of buddhism and such talk a lot about this but anyways. Anything is better than interacting with this s*** system on this planet. It is the matrix, never ever forget that. It might help you if you trick(basically the plan of everyone who is incarnating here, IMHO very foolish for wanderers as said in the Ra Material) it but it is always working against you as are the unaware people who do not know of it's secret influences. In a way everyone is an agent who is not balanced. It's like Morpheus said. If you're not one of us, you're one of them and it sure can take a long time to fully wake up and get rid of the cords the Matrix has attached to you. Can be seen in this thread.

Best advice I can give people here is don't get attached. It is the root cause of suffering. Only from an objective position can you discern right from wrong. Otherwise you'll just make the mess on this planet worse and it's going to take lifetimes to work on stuff you could have easily figured out yourself. Meditation is the tool for spiritual growth and from there on a lot of other abilites get activated.
I think for the immature souls of this planet they don't have much of a choice as they are kind of trapped. I don't think I'm a wanderer but I'm glad I stumbled upon the Ra Material and things of that nature. It really helped me to see the bigger picture. I only wish more people would see it. It appears that the negative influences on this planet are too strong. Wasn't that also the reason Carla stopped channeling Ra? I really hope the system will be designed better next time. It has a lot of flaws that's for sure.
So many people who are drowning in the mess of this planet Sad I wish someone would come help but I guess the quarantine is all we're going to get from the higher beings.
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04-21-2020, 01:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-13-2021, 03:11 PM by Agua.)
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04-21-2020, 11:12 PM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-07-2017, 08:00 PM)Dante776 Wrote:  
The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys

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Don't get me wrong! I'm all for woman's rights. I mean...I would never want to see any women in my family horribly treated by some guy. But with the current climate of dozens of men that have been falling like dominoes, while women, who also harass men and boys (although under-reported) are not discussed at all in the media makes me wonder what's really going on here.


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One only need to google "women who harass men" or "women who molest boys" (and click images) to get a completely different picture of the way they are totally portraying women as "Only" victims in sexual harassment claims and men as "Only" antagonist in sexual harassment claims.


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So, I have to ask the question...Why aren't men fighting back? Now, I'm not saying none of these allegations aren't true, but I just don't think that it's fair to portray a one sided view of this phenomenon. Many of these men are being accused, tried in the media, castigated and fired from their positions without any investigation or a chance to air their side of the story. It makes me wonder if much of this is just another attempt at the Illuminati elite controlled media to deflect attention away from real issues in the world such as loss of freedom, corrupt banksters, UFOs, alien abductions, demonic possessions, secret societies, and satanism.


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Are some women in the feminist movement just using this issue in their quest for power? Furthermore, will all of this put undue pressure on male female social relations which are already somewhat strained? We need to step back and look at all of this rationally and fairly and consider the consequences that this may have down the road.


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Again, I'm not saying none of these allegations aren't true. But many of us have heard of powerful women that harass men in the workplace also. Why doesn't this come up in these conversations? We've also heard of women in education that have had sexual tristes with their male students. Why haven't they mentioned it? Maybe it's because they are not high profile enough? I don't know. But, I'm sure if some investigative journalist were to dig deep enough, they're likely to find just as many women in Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Wall Street and even Capitol Hill that have had similar claims against them in the past that somehow went unchecked.


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With more than 2000 men filing sexual harassment charges with the EEOC last year in 2016 (mostly against women in the workplace), where are these men and why aren't we hearing their stories? Why are guys just taking this quietly? Where are the men's advocacy groups? Where's their media platform? It really does beg the question...Why aren't men fighting back?

Ref:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19536167/ns/business-careers/t/male-sexual-harassment-not-joke/#.WinRNdQrJkj

https://www.plbsmh.com/yes-men-can-be-sexually-harassed-in-the-workplace/


Men do not "fight back" against sexual harassment and unwanted sexual advances or touching because if we do, we will be shamed, ridiculed and blamed for our circumstances by many people, including many who talk a very good talk about supporting equality, but refuse to walk the walk, knowing they will not be held accountable for their hypocrisy. If anyone calls them out on it, they will be labeled a misogynist. If we started fighting back in any harsh sense (not just physical, but in any hars hitring way) we would be accused of abusive behaviour and "toxic masculinity" would once again serve as the scapegoat, allowing people to stay in their comfort zones and not have their beliefs challenged. Also, there is rarely true male commaradery outside of the military nowadays. Fellow men will likely be indifferent to one's plight.
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04-22-2020, 02:23 PM,
RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(04-21-2020, 01:30 AM)Agua Wrote:  Peaking from experience I can say however, as long as you insist on the world being so bad, its usually because of a hidden agenda.
Very often its the „inner child“ wanting to demonstrate to everybody how bad we have been treated. We kind of want to prove how wrong „they“ are.
There is one big disadvantage in that:
In order to effectively prove that, we have to constantly create suffering for ourselves, so everybody can see that we suffer because of „them“.
Bad thing is, we keep suffering and usually nobody even sees it.

Thanks for this. It wasn't directed at me, but you have no idea how helpful to me this is. It really hit home, because its something my higher self has been trying to get me to look at, and it wouldn't fully sink in or I'd just push it away. Thanks for posting this concept in such a clear way that I can't help but look at it.
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