05-30-2019, 06:30 PM
(05-30-2019, 05:53 PM)Louisabell Wrote: Sure, except here is a popular leftist liberal (host on agressive progressives and huge supporter for Bernie Sanders) defending the value of free speech in America:
Except that doesnt change anything about the phenomenon detailed in the above post...
Moreover...
Quote:Defending Alex Jones no less! Because maybe he remembers that freedom of speech was first used against the theocracy
The same theocrats have used freedom of speech to organize and end the freedom of speech in many middle eastern countries starting from 1960s, first they advocated, then they organized, they dehumanized everyone else, and in the end they ended the freedom of speech of everyone than themselves.
What's more interestingly...
Quote:, bringing in progressive values into the society some which started in America and spread out throughout the world
...those islamists used funding from US to propagate radical islamist literature, and got coordination from CIA. They still do.
Historically the statement wouldnt be correct even without that anyway - freedom of speech, equality, equal political rights for everyone and secularism were things incubated in France and then spread to entire Europe by France. Which then spread around. Those very american founding fathers, were followers of French enlightenment philosophers - some, pen pals.
Quote:Why would you ever think people against zoot suits are for freedom of speech?!? In the 50's freedom of speech was a liberal value.
How is not being able to wear slightly larger pants to signify your slightly mixed latin ancestry is not a freedom of speech issue?
Is that even a question.
Yeah, freedom of speech was a liberal value in 1950s.
And it did not exist in 1950s.
Today, it exists, it still is a liberal value as you people define it, however it is used and drummed by conservatives to justify fundamentalist extreme right nationalist/supremacist and religious agenda.
That is, if there has been any actual conservative left...
Quote:Also the majority of Americans want universal healthcare, they are obviously under corporate capture in their politics and media and I think it's a little unfair to bash their culture as though that is who they are.
Despite it changed a lot in comparison to 5 years ago thanks to the battles which Sanders and his movement fought, you would find a large segment of US which is totally against any form of socialism.
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