The Rabbit Hole
05-26-2019, 01:28 AM,
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RE: The Rabbit Hole
(05-25-2019, 05:16 PM)Glow Wrote:  Just want to chime in and say the gnostic gospels are not anti Law of One. The oneness is evident everywhere. Much like Christian teachings can be taken on a 3D level to represent separation yet the hidden knowledge is oneness so is it in gnostic gospels except there is actually much more blatent statements of oneness. As one who resonates fully with the Law of One I saw it everywhere.

Still reading, haven't read everything but it's safe to say those who focus on the trees and can't see the forest(maybe those that have taken the surface interpretation of the stories and run with them) do not represent the deepest interpretation within gnosism. I've been on a forum of Gnostics and the people who teach/lead on there are all about divine unity and oneness

I actually prefer the gnostic creation gospels because in the end the undivided male:female god that never descended is waiting for all creation to be done playing/exploring and return to oneness. All separation being temporary and illusitory but allowed because it was chosen by the parts in separation and it will be allowed till it is no longer chosen. Talk about patient excepting God. 100% nonjudgmental, the judging God was a result of the creation of separation but it's a lesser God that is part of this exploration, not the real God that contains all and understands/accepts and wants unity with all. Sorry soap box but I loved it.

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05-26-2019, 10:03 AM,
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Quote:77.19  Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.
Quote:Since everything is just a thought/imagination.  If the saga of polarity, or just the concept of STS per se, was completely unimagined then this octave was certainly not setup to handle such a thing properly.  

All the suffering is completely not needed.  The "game" is supposed to be fun at all times for all entities ! Smile

Yes I know that suffering and negativity is adding to the Creator very rich experiences, still it was not expected.  People wonder why God lets all this evil happen, it's because freewill is paramount.  Yet the Creator did not wish to throw us into the arena we find ourselves in.  What was imagined for us was fun as it probably was in the last octave as well as the next one.

If you want me to elaborate further do not hesitate to ask.

Very interesting my friends I'm just going to add some things if you don't mind. remember we put ourselves where we are nobody put us here. Each of you chose to be here at this moment because of the catalyst that this reality offers embrace it and shine like the sun. not necessarily that it was going to be 'fun' you saw this negativity coming miles away(I'm not sure how old this octave is but it has to be old). Do not limit yourselves never. You're unlimited beings with millions of years of experience(We all grew up in this octave, negativity is not new for us) you're more than what you think because you cannot think what you are; you're the ones aware of thoughts not the other way around. The moment STS came out of the closet the Creator already saw their finality this is not something out of the equation. thank you for reminded me of this. Have a wonderful day.
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05-26-2019, 01:07 PM,
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05-28-2019, 04:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-28-2019, 04:17 PM by loostudent.)
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(05-25-2019, 05:16 PM)Glow Wrote:  Just want to chime in and say the gnostic gospels are not anti Law of One. The oneness is evident everywhere. Much like Christian teachings can be taken on a 3D level to represent separation yet the hidden knowledge is oneness so is it in gnostic gospels except there is actually much more blatent statements of oneness. As one who resonates fully with the Law of One I saw it everywhere.

Still reading, haven't read everything but it's safe to say those who focus on the trees and can't see the forest(maybe those that have taken the surface interpretation of the stories and run with them) do not represent the deepest interpretation within gnosism. I've been on a forum of Gnostics and the people who teach/lead on there are all about divine unity and oneness

I actually prefer the gnostic creation gospels because in the end the undivided male:female god that never descended is waiting for all creation to be done playing/exploring and return to oneness. All separation being temporary and illusitory but allowed because it was chosen by the parts in separation and it will be allowed till it is no longer chosen. Talk about patient excepting God. 100% nonjudgmental, the judging God was a result of the creation of separation but it's a lesser God that is part of this exploration, not the real God that contains all and understands/accepts and wants unity with all. Sorry soap box but I loved it.

All roads lead to truth if it is truth you are looking for truth

That's strange. Gnosticism is contrary to Law of One. Actually it's about dualism. There is no Creator. The physical world was rather made by evil demiurg. That's why body is considered a prison (not a vehicle).

Maybe the God is not (only) judging but he put karma in charge. And Higher Self. Harvest ... In the Tree of life there is also balance between judgement and mercy. Order and chaos. Yin and yang.
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05-28-2019, 05:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-28-2019, 06:34 PM by Glow.)
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(05-28-2019, 04:17 PM)loostudent Wrote:  
(05-25-2019, 05:16 PM)Glow Wrote:  Just want to chime in and say the gnostic gospels are not anti Law of One. The oneness is evident everywhere. Much like Christian teachings can be taken on a 3D level to represent separation yet the hidden knowledge is oneness so is it in gnostic gospels except there is actually much more blatent statements of oneness. As one who resonates fully with the Law of One I saw it everywhere.

Still reading, haven't read everything but it's safe to say those who focus on the trees and can't see the forest(maybe those that have taken the surface interpretation of the stories and run with them) do not represent the deepest interpretation within gnosism. I've been on a forum of Gnostics and the people who teach/lead on there are all about divine unity and oneness

I actually prefer the gnostic creation gospels because in the end the undivided male:female god that never descended is waiting for all creation to be done playing/exploring and return to oneness. All separation being temporary and illusitory but allowed because it was chosen by the parts in separation and it will be allowed till it is no longer chosen. Talk about patient excepting God. 100% nonjudgmental, the judging God was a result of the creation of separation but it's a lesser God that is part of this exploration, not the real God that contains all and understands/accepts and wants unity with all. Sorry soap box but I loved it.

All roads lead to truth if it is truth you are looking for truth

That's strange. Gnosticism is contrary to Law of One. Actually it's about dualism. There is no Creator. The physical world was rather made by evil demiurg. That's why body is considered a prison (not a vehicle).

Maybe the God is not (only) judging but he put karma in charge. And Higher Self. Harvest ... In the Tree of life there is also balance between judgement and mercy. Order and chaos. Yin and yang.
That is the surface teaching but if you read more there is LOTS resonant with Law of One, of course there is dogma like space aliens and orion ect ect.

I have been reading over a bit on the sophia.org forum just for interest and just to show I am not pulling my view out of my bottom I will share a few links. I just quickly scanned the most obviously applicable titles from the gnosis and gnostisism forum there. The answers are by teachers of the faith so if they see it and I see it. It is there.

The true gospel http://www.sophian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3752
When we contemplate Jesus, Yeshua, in our view we see a human being like us, though indeed a soul of a very lofty grade, a very exceptional human being. Just as any human being who embarks on the spiritual quest seeking enlightenment or God he had spiritual teachers and guides, the most important of them being John the Baptist, Yohanan. As Yeshua’s spiritual realization unfolded he came into being as a prophet and knower of God, and in the fruition of his Self-realization, during his baptism in the Sacred Jordan with Yohanan, he received the full anointing of the Perfect Light and Holy Spirit, such as had never happened before in this world, and so he became the Christ, the Messiah - the ‘Anointed One.’ In this he experienced conscious union with the universe and God, the True Light - oneness with God, and so he embodied the state of Christ Consciousness or God Consciousness (Supernal Consciousness); hence, complete enlightenment, or full Self-realization. In this he was a perfect human being, the Perfect Tzaddik, the Perfect Master - the True Guide in the Way for all humanity, all who seek to return to God, the True Light.
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The True Gospel corresponds with the teachings of the ‘Straight Path,’ the spiritual life and practice through which we may experience the direct revelation of God to us, the progressive unveiling and self-disclosure of God in us and in our lives, and so experience nearness to God and oneness with God - true knowledge of God. It is this that gnostics understand as ‘true salvation,’ the enlightenment and liberation of the soul, full reintegration of the soul with the Light of the Infinite and Eternal One. It is not a vicarious affair of blind, ignorant belief, but rather is a ‘perceiving faith,’ one founded upon direct experience of Christ and God - knowledge of Christ and God. In this regard, with God’s help, each of us must strive to workout our salvation, strive in the Path of Return.

In the teachings of our tradition Yeshua was not the only one to embody the fullness of the Divine Presence, or this Self-realization, but Lady Mirya, the Magdalene, also embodied it, and likewise, following the resurrection and ascension various holy apostles, messengers, embodied it, as did many of their close disciples. To this very day, here and there, are those who embody this spiritual and supernal realization, and something of this Divine Presence, and here and there are faith-communities teaching the way of this Self-realization in Christ and God.


The question of dualism http://www.sophian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3726
Your historical questions about the dual versus non-dual orientation of Gnostic schools of thought is best answered by academic research. Anthologies such as Barntone & Meyer's Gnostic Bible demonstrate a plethora of schools and views, few of which are living today. Our lineage isn't founded in historicism but the living experience of gnosis. In Hebrew, the same mystery of holy knowledge we call Da'at.

Mysteries of the non-dual, gnostic experience are founded upon the discipline of the dual. In other words, as we receive people in our community, we insist on the discernment of right company, livelihood, and life-display, as these establish the foundation of clearly hearing and living from what is non-dual. To be clear, there is the experience of ignorance and enlightenment, sin and righteousness. We would never deny or dismiss the relative reality of coming into being. But behind this process is a pure being that we regard as the Messiah.

When one closely considers the Genesis account of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, it may appear that there are two trees. This is not the case. What divides this one tree into two is the ignorance of the one approaching; likewise, what unifies Knowledge with Life is the awareness of the same one approaching. We teach that ignorance is a necessary experience to come to a new awareness. Eating from the Tree of Knowledge comes first before we can stabilize the experience of the Tree of Life.

The serpent is a key transition between these. In Hebrew letters (which are also numbers), the word for serpent (nahash) sums the same letter-values as Anointed (Messiah). Both enumerate 358. This mystery is much like the mystery of the Tree. Knowledge leads to Life, just as the serpent leads to the Messiah. The Blessed Name of Yeshua itself means that "YHVH Delivers" from ignorance and death. None of this could manifest apart from initial ignorance. We are all destined to learn, grown, and consciously evolve towards Life in the Messiah.

See, the non-dual view is actually more demanding than the oversimplified, dualistic views of "black" and "white" that characterize much of religion. It's more challenging to reconcile what seems to be an opponent or opposition. On the surface, everything appears to be at odds. The moment we meet someone new destines the day they'll part. Our first breath in this life destines our last breath. But nothing comes into being apart from this resistance. In other words, there is a grand process that requires everything apparently at odds to be consciously reintegrated, rectified, and restored.


This one has some dogma but it still goes into all being of god, and two teachers actually note that some schools of gnostism see things in duality but not others http://www.sophian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3529

When I first started reading the gospels I found their are LOTS of different writers from the exact same time period. Some writers really resonated with Law of One others seemed like orthodox christianity it is partly why there was issues determining what would be included or not in the new testament. It is there though if you look.
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