04-22-2020, 10:09 AM
(04-20-2020, 04:02 PM)Infinite Wrote: No. I see it like you.
I will try to explain my vision on this topic, trying my best to base myself on LOO.
I classify as dimension the same that Ra called sub-density / plane. Within our third density there are 7 sub-densities / planes / dimensions, within each sub-density there are 7 sub-sub-densities / sub-plans / sub-dimensions and so it increases infinitely. These 7 divisions are analogous / representations of the 7 rays and also of the 7 densities. Therefore, the dimensions of the third density are infinite and when I use the term fourth dimension it is as if I were referring to a color. This color itself can be divided into infinite frequencies or infinite tones. I do not classify these sub-densities / planes / dimensions as simply spatial and temporal perceptions. A more precise term is vibratory frequency.
Now, these 7 sub-densities / dimensions / planes are divided into space / time and time / space. In esotericism, this difference is called outer planes and inner plans. I suppose you understand the difference between space / time and time / space.
Space / time is where incarnations take place, catalysis is experienced and lessons are learned. Physically we can consider that this space / time is that whose photons that make up physical matter (since everything that exists is formed by a universal substance, Ra called it Light, the ancients called it Ether or Akasha) vibrate at a speed that approaches the speed of light. That is why physicists say that the borderline speed of the universe is the speed of light. Ra said that when a ship approaches the speed of light it disappears from that reality and temporarily exists in time / space. This is how the slingshot effect works.
Time / space is where healing and revision of an incarnation takes place. Time approaches infinity and that is why time is no longer linear, that is, it is not counted every second, but it can be accessed as a whole. It's like opening any page in a book instead of reading each page sequentially. It is my hypothesis that each plane vibrates faster and faster and therefore is getting closer and closer to zero time or infinite time.
In my view, dimensions 1-3 form the physical plane, while dimensions 4-7 form the inner planes.
I am afraid I have to disagree that we have the same views. Yes I do have an understanding of space/time and time/space.
In my view, there are only 6 spaces and 6 times in all of the densities combined. space/time takes up 3 spaces and 3 times, while time/space takes up the remaining 3 spaces and 3 times. In my view, if we "erase" all densities, space/time and time/space continue to exist albeit in a different form but there is still space and time.
In your view, there will be much more numbers of space and time (certainly more than 6/6). And if we "erase" all densities in your view, there will be no space, no time, no space/time and time/space because they are a part of densities.
(04-20-2020, 04:02 PM)Infinite Wrote: What I can assume at this moment, is that as entities from first to third density live in the same environment, the difference is in the perception and the way in which they can interact with that environment. From the fourth onwards, the environments are different, more subtle and the bodies of the entities are also more subtle than ours. However, I have no idea if 4D entities can see 5D and 6D in the same environment as animals can see us.I believe this is another area where our views differ. In my view, all densities share the same space and time and we can see 4d/5d/6d but in reality we cannot only because they have chosen not to (Ra 13.20).
Quote:13.20 Questioner: Is there any physical difference between first and second density? For instance, if I could see a second-density planet and a first-density planet side by side, in my present condition, could I see both of them? Would they be both visible?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. All of the octave of your densities would be clearly visible were not the fourth through the seventh freely choosing not to be visible.
In your view, as each density has their sub sub densities of space and time, beings in different densities lives in different space/time and thus the issue of how different densities can see each other arise. But I believe there are the possible ways to deal with this issue but personally i have not thought of any.
(04-20-2020, 04:02 PM)Infinite Wrote: I gave my opinion on this above. Just a detail: taking into account all the literature on the astral plane, it is a fact that on the astral plane a dimension is added. This is one of the reasons why I prefer to consider it as our fourth dimension.I am fine with defining dimension as a sub-density and calling the astral plane the 4th dimension. However, by redefining the meaning of dimension, it is no longer the same as that of the "scientific" dimension. Thus I think contradictions arise when I see what is an attempt to combine both definitions.
I would think there will be no contradictions if the number of space and time is left ambiguous and thus a mystery and I am fine with this approach as well.
As I mentioned to claim to see the tesseract in the astral plane suggests that there are 4 dimensions of space. However, to me, this does not imply that the astral plane is the fourth dimensional in the scientific sense, nor is this "4 dimensions" identical to the 4 dimensions of your view for our definitions of dimension is different.
I believe there are other explanations that could allow one to "see" the interior of a cube - one way by invoking the concept of the Law of One, another way is that it can be done in time/space (i.e. my view of time/space being 3 space and 3 time, but which also includes the astral and inner planes).
(04-20-2020, 04:02 PM)Infinite Wrote: Time in time / space is like I said spherical. I would say that it does not make sense to speak in dimensions of time, but of an eternal present.
(04-20-2020, 05:39 PM)flofrog Wrote: but time in time/space seen as spherical is a pretty good image within our limited words
I apologised as I thought Infinite was talking about it from a mechanical pov. But it looks to me that what Infinite described is more of an experiential understanding. What I tried to give was a more mechanical view of it based on my understanding. The closest experience that I had was the perception of space and time being (2D) "planar" and "radiating from the self". The 2D perception is probably my own limitation and suggests that a more complete perception might be the 3D spherical sense as both of you have mentioned.
(04-20-2020, 04:02 PM)Infinite Wrote: Really enlightening chapter on fourth dimension. It's from the book "The Astral Body" by Arthur E. Powell:It would seem his definition of dimension is more similar to mine than yours. I'm sorry to say I do not find the chapter convincing either scientifically or spiritually. He could have called the astral plane the fifth dimension and let time be the fourth dimension and it would achieve the same purpose that he wanted, the ordering is not important.
I believe time is considered as the fourth dimension only because it was formulated after the 3 spatial dimensions. If for some reason time was established first, in science, time might be called the first dimension, and space the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dimension. The ordering is not important in the maths and science.