04-24-2020, 03:45 PM
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: To me, the infinite divisions in space/time are different from the infinite divisions in time/space. Beyond this, I could only speculate that the divisions in space/time correspond to the different kinds of people we meet in the world (From the more "survival oriented" to the more "angelic" people). And the divisions in time/space correspond to the different inner planes (Based on what was mentioned in the LOO books: astral, devachanic, etc).
So, that's exactly how I think.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: What I was trying to point out previously was that because we are able to see them when they allow it, that this indicates we share the same space as them. Though this being a mechanical point, I think it is perhaps not as useful.
So, my point is: the environment and all "objects" of the fourth density exist in another range of vibration. Just like each TV channel there are different bands. Just as the astral plane exists in a different vibration range from that of our physical plane.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: Yes I have some knowledge of the traditional and spiritual beliefs that which you shared and agree that it is a helpful perspective and that it supports your view. Personally, I do not see such a distinction between the densities other than higher densities are of a higher vibration and find they are all equally sacred to the Creator. As such to me, for my view, the underlying structure of all densities in this octave are the same.
I did not say that they are not sacred. I just said that its characteristics are distinct. The first three densities exist to prepare the entity for choice (to create spiritual viability). The rest of the densities are to refine this choice, even so it makes sense to exist separate from the first three.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: Are you saying that the astral plane is the fourth density?
No, but that is the representation of the fourth density in our third density. The fourth density would be a kind of more complex astral plane.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: It is not entirely correct, but it is also responsible for many of our existing technology, and thus living here on Earth, I feel I cannot dismiss it. That is my personal view, it is not in total conflict with my view and so I did not disregard it. But I agree that we should stop discussing about the scientific aspect.
Yes, I also see it that way. In fact, it would be interesting to research if there is any scientific "debate" about the fourth spatial dimension (tesseract) x time as the fourth dimension.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: First possible explanation:
This is based on extrapolation from my own experience rather than what Ra or Q'uo said. There was a time when I was lying on the bed that I felt that I could sense the sky outside through the roof and it made my felt quite naked and uncomfortable. What this suggest to me was that it may be possible that a properly trained entity would be able to have conscious awareness of the unity of reality and through this connection be able to observe without obstruction. We can't see the inside of a box because light does not reach the inside, but with awareness and connection with all particles within the box, we can "see" the interior.
It is difficult to judge this experience. In the Leadbeater's book he talks about a clairvoyance below astral clairvoyance, etheric clairvoyance, which allows you to see through objects (like x-ray vision). However, I don't know if it's related to your experience.
(04-24-2020, 10:18 AM)keith Wrote: Second possible explanation:
In my view, my interpretation of time/space is that time is the active portion and space is "fluid". An analogy is a video player but which has 3 time sliders to see all possible past/future. Because space is "fluid", one will be able to seemingly "pass" through objects and see the inside. I think an analogy is that of the no-clip mode in 3D games or 3D programs, where you can fly through walls and see the interiors.
The description is part intuition and part interpretation from the LOO material.
I think the description of the result is the same as yours, except that there are still only 3 spatial dimensions in mine.
Now I understand, although I disagree.