Helping or violating free will?

[Jeremy]

I perform a specific procedure at work where I insert a long term version of an IV into patients that need long term access or central access for critical medications. Many times, these patients are intubated which hasn't bothered me until I performed a couple on patients that weren't. One was a chronically ill patient who suffered a traumatic brain injury years ago. He's awake and somewhat aware but nonverbal and just looks around. Sometimes he seems as if he's fighting back but you can't really tell. Yet his family always gives consent to whatever needs to be done to keep him alive.

As I was doing the procedure, I started to feel bad about it while wondering if he really wanted to live like that. It's not his choice obviously since he has no control over anything that happens. This caused me a bit of introspection into whether I'm violating these patients free will. I try to think about the whole all is well thing but on an individual scale, all I can think about is whether they want to live or die. Maybe this was their plan all along? That doesn't bring much solace though. Am I really helping or am I a part of their continued suffering? It's a fickle thing 

[meadow-foreigner]

I perform a specific procedure at work where I insert a long term version of an IV into patients that need long term access or central access for critical medications. Many times, these patients are intubated which hasn't bothered me until I performed a couple on patients that weren't. One was a chronically ill patient who suffered a traumatic brain injury years ago. He's awake and somewhat aware but nonverbal and just looks around. Sometimes he seems as if he's fighting back but you can't really tell. Yet his family always gives consent to whatever needs to be done to keep him alive.

As I was doing the procedure, I started to feel bad about it while wondering if he really wanted to live like that. It's not his choice obviously since he has no control over anything that happens. This caused me a bit of introspection into whether I'm violating these patients free will. I try to think about the whole all is well thing but on an individual scale, all I can think about is whether they want to live or die. Maybe this was their plan all along? That doesn't bring much solace though. Am I really helping or am I a part of their continued suffering? It's a fickle thing 

Disclaimer: I am not advocating for any particular action. You do as you think it's best.

I have seen occasions in which an individual's corporeal volition has been negated.
I have seen certain scenarios in which an individual's mental volition has been curbed and dulled in order to appease and to satisfy other individuals.

This surely brings lots of ethical and moral discussions to the table; discussions which the vast majority of today's society doesn't seem to be precisely mature to understand and to properly discuss.

Is one's volition truly perceivable; expressable? Is one's understanding of one's volition confused?
What are the implications of another one ultimately trampling one's volition for whatever reason?

The potential implications of acting upon another individual's volition are many.
One might think one acts "in due order" when one negates another one's volition.
One might think one acts "in due order" when one accepts another one's volition.

While there certainly are societal conventions on what is right and what is wrong – conventions that vary throughout the ages and cultures – I do suggest that there are more optimal and less optimal ways of living. Optimality is linked to harmonics just as sub-optimality is linked to the distance in relation to a certain harmonic.

[Navaratna]

You're not the one making the choice it's that family.

I don't know if it'd be appropriate to tell them your opinion but then again it is your free will to, I'm pretty certain it's definitely not your job to determine who's on life support or not, so you shouldn't feel guilty about it in my opinion. A lot of people doing your job wouldn't even care to question it "job is a job" so at least you have empathy for them.

I listened to something interested the other day pertaining to this exact question.

Law of One says free will is developed in the third density, yet Edgar Cayce also interpreted the 3rd church of revelation as the third chakra

it is this church of Pergamum legends say is the point at which "god" gives humans a sword with which to make judgments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTc9IZH0Ed8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_churches_of_Asia

[flofrog]

I feel like Navaratna that this is the choice of the family, but Jeremy you seem to have known this patient for some time, and I bet this feeling last time was strong.

Perhaps you might just explain that feeling to his family, if your intuition tells you to ?

I love meadow-foreigner's last sentence...

[Navaratna]

Yes Flo, but I always picture the best way to guarantee Jeremy doesn't lose his job ha.

I'm picturing a nurse working in some cosmetic or gender assignment operating room offering their opinion to someone's partner waiting in the lobby about their choices..

and I'm just imagining everyone putting their palm to their face including the nurse's boss when no one asked for their opinion. He has the free will to say what he wants, but if it's appropriate in his work setting is another question entirely.

[Jeremy]

Yea it's definitely not my call on such matters. As of right now, I'm the only person responsible for putting in these lines during the week so I have no choice despite my reservations. I mean sure I can refuse but then I'm risking my livelihood and that can't happen. It's just something I'll have to reconcile.

He's been coming to the hospital for probably a decade so I'm very familiar with him. Always cones in with pneumonia due to him having a tracheostomy in his throat to breath but somehow he always pulls through. I even talked to him this time saying things like "I don't even know if this is what you want anymore but I hope it helps in some way". His arms and legs are so contracted due to being immobile for so many years which s is where I'm at my most uncomfortable because when I have to move his arms out to place the line, I can tell it causes some pain.

[Dtris]

Yea it's definitely not my call on such matters. As of right now, I'm the only person responsible for putting in these lines during the week so I have no choice despite my reservations. I mean sure I can refuse but then I'm risking my livelihood and that can't happen. It's just something I'll have to reconcile.

He's been coming to the hospital for probably a decade so I'm very familiar with him. Always cones in with pneumonia due to him having a tracheostomy in his throat to breath but somehow he always pulls through. I even talked to him this time saying things like "I don't even know if this is what you want anymore but I hope it helps in some way". His arms and legs are so contracted due to being immobile for so many years which s is where I'm at my most uncomfortable because when I have to move his arms out to place the line, I can tell it causes some pain.

The universe allows for the possibility of free will being violated using power. The crux is the decision sub-consciously or consciously to use power to control someone else for your personal benefit. The use of power to try to serve another individual is probably a misguided attempt to be of service at worse. We do not have the ability to know each others thoughts yet, and all we can do is what we believe is of service and learn thru experience.

78.27 Questioner: Are they accurate, or have I made mistakes?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes.

12.24 Questioner: [Would] this be against the Law of One and I would be making a mistake by grabbing these entities?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes under the Law of One.

14.34 Questioner: Can you tell me if we are accomplishing our effort reasonably well?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law is One. There are no mistakes.

I am Ra. I leave this instrument in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in the power and the peace of the One Creator. Adonai.

44.17 Questioner: I am sorry that we got a little off the track today. I think the most important thing we accomplished is knowing how to better regulate the instrument’s sessions, and I would hope that you would bear with me for my inability to select questions properly at times, since I just happen, sometimes, to probe into areas to see if there is a possible direction we may go, and once entering, I…

Other than that, I would just like to know if there is anything this session that we could do to make the instrument more comfortable or to improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes. Be at rest, my friend. Each of you is most conscientious. All is well.

I leave you in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in the power and in the peace of the One Infinite Creator. I am Ra. Adonai.

69.17 Questioner: Now, this is a point that I find quite confusing to me.

It is a function of the free will of the positively polarized entity to move into negatively polarized time/space. However, it is also a function of his lack of understanding of what he is doing. I am sure if the entity had full understanding of what he was doing that he would not do it. It is a function of his negatively polarized other-self creating a situation by which he is, shall I say, lured to that configuration. What is the principle with respect to the first distortion that allows this to occur since we have two portions of the Creator, each of equal value or equal potential, shall I say, but oppositely polarized and we have this situation resulting. Could you tell me the philosophical principle behind this particular act?

Ra: I am Ra. There are two important points in this regard. Firstly, we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost.

Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.

Secondly, that which we and you do in workings such as this carries a magical charge, if you would use this much misunderstood term. Perhaps we may say a metaphysical power. Those who do work of power are available for communication to and from entities of roughly similar power. It is fortunate that the Orion entity does not have the native power of this group. However, it is quite disciplined whereas this group lacks the finesse equivalent to its power. Each is working in consciousness but the group has not begun a work as a group. The individual work is helpful, for the group is mutually an aid, one to another.

32.1 Questioner: I have a little question I will throw in at this point from Jim. I will read it. The instrument’s physical complex is now in the process of recovery from taking a chemical. She was ignorant of the opening that she was creating. How can each of the three of us present be more aware of how such openings may be created in our actions and thoughts? Is it possible that we could make such openings innocently as we question in certain areas during these sessions? And then, what can we do to protect ourselves from distorting influences in general? Is there any ritual or meditation that we use?

Ra: I am Ra. Although we are in sympathy with the great desire to be of service exemplified by this question, our answer is limited by the distortion of the Way of Confusion. We shall say some general things which may be of service in this area.

Firstly, when this instrument distorted its bodily complex towards low vital energy due to this occurrence, it was a recognizable substance which caused this. This was not a, shall we say, natural substance nor was the mind/body/spirit complex enough aware of its distortion towards physical weakness. The natural ways of, shall we say, everyday existence in which the entity without the distortions caused by ingestion of strongly effective chemicals may be seen to be of an always appropriate nature. There are no mistakes, including the action of this instrument.

Secondly, the means of protection against any negative or debilitating influence for those upon the positive path was demonstrated by this instrument to a very great degree. Consider, if you will, the potentials that this particular occurrence had for negative influences to enter the instrument. This instrument thought upon the Creator in its solitude and in actions with other-self, continually praised and gave thanksgiving to the Creator for the experiences it was having. This in turn allowed this particular entity to radiate to the other-self such energies as became a catalyst for an opening and strengthening of the other-self’s ability to function in a more positively polarized state. Thus we see protection being very simple. Give thanksgiving for each moment. See the self and the other-self as Creator. Open the heart. Always know the light and praise it. This is all the protection necessary.

[Diana]

I perform a specific procedure at work where I insert a long term version of an IV into patients that need long term access or central access for critical medications. Many times, these patients are intubated which hasn't bothered me until I performed a couple on patients that weren't. One was a chronically ill patient who suffered a traumatic brain injury years ago. He's awake and somewhat aware but nonverbal and just looks around. Sometimes he seems as if he's fighting back but you can't really tell. Yet his family always gives consent to whatever needs to be done to keep him alive.

As I was doing the procedure, I started to feel bad about it while wondering if he really wanted to live like that. It's not his choice obviously since he has no control over anything that happens. This caused me a bit of introspection into whether I'm violating these patients free will. I try to think about the whole all is well thing but on an individual scale, all I can think about is whether they want to live or die. Maybe this was their plan all along? That doesn't bring much solace though. Am I really helping or am I a part of their continued suffering? It's a fickle thing 

I have a friend who is a geriatric nurse. She works within the system, and has for many years. The way she deals with this sort of thing is to do what needs to be done according to the parameters you mention (family wishes, medical protocols, etc.), but she gives her patients huge amounts of love (which, just being around her you feel) and she also tells them it's okay to go. She calls it "her speech" and when she can feel from someone that they are struggling with letting go, she tells them it's okay.

When I was in my early 20s, going to college and working midnights at a developmental center for the mentally challenged, I worked in the chronic care hospital unit. There was a man there who was profoundly mentally and physically challenged, about the size of a 3-year-old and nonverbal. His name was Richard. I would sometimes give him his tube feedings and I could see that something was wrong, that he wasn't tolerating them well, and he would stare into my eyes. So I charted it and told the nurses, and advocated for him until they paid attention, and found he had stomach cancer. I can't imagine the suffering he was in. He had been just laying in bed his whole life, being poked and prodded and fed and changed, I can only think that another human showing genuine love and caring for him might have felt like an oasis in a desert-like existence.

So, my point is that just care and love are valuable. Easing someone's suffering is valuable. Because the family decision is to extend the life of the loved one, and that involves for example, intubation to create an airway, then what can be done is to do this with love and care (which I imagine you are already doing), and to acknowledge the patient. You can't control others' decisions (the family), though there is the option of sharing your observations without judgment, and hopefully help the family so their decisions are better informed.