To all Awakening Wanderers/Seekers.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Hello J.W. For those new to the discussion, I link your mentioned older thread, "Rendezvous, It's time to regroup." What I have in mind comes in part from considering that.

It's a fun coincidence that you happened to make the first post in this thread 5 years to the day after the beginning of my personal "wanderer's awakening".

To conclude this post, I would like to leave you with this

https://montalk.net/matrix/118/methods-of-deception

This link is credited to a member on this forum that goes by dreamoftheiris.

he/she shows me this link in my previous post of "Rendezvous, its time to regroup." And I find it very informative and align with the information I am showing others.

Please Identify the ploy and tactics of STS if you do not want to be falling under any form of manipulation/confusion/ and ultimately relinquishing your freewill BY your own freewill.

They can't take your freewill away from you by force, but they can definitely make you give it up yourself.

Be vigilant, be grounded, and stay true.

I have been thinking a lot about higher-density STS methods and activity. Montalk is great in providing a resource for those new to serious exploration of that.

Along with my background in and parting from the Cassiopaea community, I have, compared to Montalk, been working towards an updated and more complete view of what's really gone on in the case of the Cassiopaea community. Some of that is in my personal thread and some of that is in the thread, "Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans".

I think there's a very general, and quite successful, higher-density STS strategy that's played out over decades in spiritual circles. The STS opposition works hard to separate the mind and the heart in individuals and groups, making the focus lopsided and counterproductive. It's often been wildly successful, because each bias makes for self-reinforcing ways of interpreting everything.

And so, you can see the actively organizing research side of L/L Research having died with Don Elkins and so far not having recovered. The Cassiopaean Experiment filled the intellectual vacuum, while gradually replacing the spirituality with something slowly turning into the opposite.

Montalk, in my view, is doing stuff that all too few have been doing. He does the research at a basic and very accessible level, in a serious exploration with both a heart and a mind. He covers not only the nicer stuff, but also less pleasant aspects of reality. The way in which he seems to have kept his balance on the whole is the really impressive part.

This community tends to be a bit slow-going and scatter-minded, I have found, but is great as a place where inspiration can flow quite freely. It appears to have been under fire, psychically, from time to time over the past years. For a simple and humorous start concerning such matters in general, and another Montalk reference, there's my thread "Quantum Bogodynamics: why equipment fails and people behave mindlessly".

In ages past, this site was actively moderated and this thread would have been moved to the appropriate area, but in latter days the moderators have abandoned the ship and the organizational structure has become somewhat chaotic.

That brings to mind some questions of what's going on at the site. It originally, before my time here, was much more focused around the topic of Ra-related things and the accompanying philosophy. In several steps, the focus became more general, and previously off-topic topics became fine to discuss.

Much more recently, the moderators decided to be more lenient with views against the core philosophy of the community. That's after the old approach backfired when the member Cyan left. The thread about that event is peaceful, but soon after, some newcomers who believed Ra negative or disagreed with the basic philosophy repeated Cyan's idea that things may be too cult-like here, generally attacking things and letting the moderators "prove" that it's not a cult through non-intervention. That's another of those short emotional storms making a portion of members leave.

Personally, I think:
- The moderators earlier went after peaceful expression of dissenting views too much.
- The moderators did too little earlier when emotional storms began to erupt and/or some felt bullied.
- The moderators may be slowly self-sabotaging by not discussing the big picture openly when the direction of the community becomes uncertain.

In other words, I think they focused too much on ideas and too little on emotional dynamics. More moderation of the latter could have avoided some emotional explosions, while too much restriction around ideas created others.

Maybe the moderators ended up where they are now, in part, by listening too much over the years to some of those who both created much drama and complained the loudest. Each time, each change of direction, they painted themselves into a smaller part of the room until only a tiny corner remained. The corner seems to be, "Wait and see what happens next."

I should note that this is a relative newcomer's perspective.

[Patrick]

 
And thank you mods for the time you freely give in working here.  Because it's work!  I'm having fun here, but being a moderator, well the fun part would be gone for me.  So thanks !!!

     

[Sacred Fool]

This community tends to be a bit slow-going and scatter-minded, I have found, but is great as a place where inspiration can flow quite freely. It appears to have been under fire, psychically, from time to time over the past years.

(Really?  Do you have any proof of this?  I'm wondering how I missed it?) 



That brings to mind some questions of what's going on at the site. It originally, before my time here, was much more focused around the topic of Ra-related things and the accompanying philosophy. In several steps, the focus became more general, and previously off-topic topics became fine to discuss. 

(This I am aware of.  "Fine to discuss" by dint of sloppy moderating or for deliberate reasons?) 

Much more recently, the moderators decided to be more lenient with views against the core philosophy of the community. That's after the old approach backfired when the member Cyan left. The thread about that event is peaceful, but soon after, some newcomers who believed Ra negative or disagreed with the basic philosophy repeated Cyan's idea that things may be too cult-like here, generally attacking things and letting the moderators "prove" that it's not a cult through non-intervention. That's another of those short emotional storms making a portion of members leave. 

(Again I am curious, do you know this because it was stated or is this merely your own assessment?  )

Personally, I think:
- The moderators earlier went after peaceful expression of dissenting views too much.
- The moderators did too little earlier when emotional storms began to erupt and/or some felt bullied.
- The moderators may be slowly self-sabotaging by not discussing the big picture openly when the direction of the community becomes uncertain.

In other words, I think they focused too much on ideas and too little on emotional dynamics. More moderation of the latter could have avoided some emotional explosions, while too much restriction around ideas created others. 

(My guess was that they burned out from playing the role of policeman and found the job unrewarding, possibly in large part because it had strayed from its intended mission.)

[J.W.]

In response to Asolsutsesvyl, Patrick, and peregrine in the latest posts.

From a unbiased stand-point and staying aligned with Ra. There is a very apparent behavior that STS entities, and "energy" that loves to do, and that is to get involve and muddle with ANY "progress." The attacks we see with Don's research, this forum, the Cassiopaean, and almost everywhere you look. The negative side leaves no room or chance for the positive polarity to move forward without resistance or obstacles.
This could be the nature of the polarities, where contrast is necessary for forward movement and growth.

But at the same time, it gives negative polarity a very distinctive behavior and identifiable trait.

Asolsutsesvyl, you hit the nail on this one. You see and understand the separation between the "Mind" and the "Heart," THAT is the core essence of negative polarity's actions.

From an up front observation, you can see the forum are littered with "fear mongering" "power/healing, obsessing" most of the current active members on this forum are glorifying metaphysics and applies method from the law of attraction extensively through their words and posts.

Under the mask of "good deeds" and "that is just life, we need to get pay to feed our kids and myself" notion and logic. A very narrow and shortsighted rationale that is backed up by the materialistic necessity of 3rd density.

To make it concise, I can sense and see that this forum has been attacked and controlled by negative polarity's influences.


On a bias perspective. From the STO side of observation.

There is a straight forward core essence of STO, and that is when you help others, you DO NOT expect anything in return and "worry" about your own benefits, this is the fundamental core essence of Service to others.

STS driven energies, entities, and people seems to have a very shrewd and victimizing angle of defense when this is brought up. The reasoning always fall under the "Oh, what about me? I am 'providing' a 'service' for others, I need to feed myself and my kids too."

When they employ this rationale, it is difficult to refute because it automatically makes you the "baddies." But if one can see through the BS and realize the true philosophy of the Law of One. You can simply points out that... "materialism is not an excuse, because your transition from 3rd to 4th isn't about you worrying if you or your kids getting fed."  It's about your choices..... Jesus of Nazareth didn't hang on the cross and say, "Well, this sucks, I should have hired body guards, or did something about traitors, so I wouldn't be suffering right now."

Instead, he said "forgive them, they know not better."

There is no concern for the illusion of the 3rd, at the same time spiritually staying aligned.

To conclude this perspective, Just as Ra has warned, there will be a spike of negatively driven entities and people on this planet when the master cycle is coming to an end. These entities, energies and people will claim to be "helping" others, but with a cost.
And cunningly disguise their "service" as a way of life, or occupation.

I cut out the BS. from this perspective. There is no "happy" medium or "gray" area between STO and STS. Just as there is no 50% positive polarity.

The mentality of half serving others, and half serving self is what going to force you to stay in 3rd a little longer until you figure it out.

Of course, from what I said above, Negative polarized entities has a tendency to "Encourage" this mentality or behavior as "logical"

Asolsutsesvyl, once again, you got it my friend, they separate the "mind" and the "heart."

Last but not least, those that falls under this influence from the negative will often time DO NOT see it. And they will defend their cause to the end, and if it doesn't work. The "victimizing" behavior or seeking authority to "shut down" the opposition.

I imagine the moderators in the past has to deal with this tremendous stress daily. In turn, this worn them out, and negative polarity gets the "playground" to themselves.

We got to see through the BS, and help other awakening Wanderers to see through this BS. For the newly awaken are very easily influenced by "logic" because "logic" is much more attractive on the surface.

I will finish my post with this.

I still stand by and accept the basic perspective of "free will." Therefore, there is no absolute judgement from me on others, especially those who has chosen the method or action they are taking. For "they" are the one that they will be "speaking and reflecting" to when their vessel expire. Not me, not my bias, nor my observation has anything to do with it.

With that understanding, I share the love and the light equally for both polarities, as we are all... of One.

[David_1]

   Happy Tears asked the question, “Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?”
   On Earth in its current form, every individual who is not independently wealthy needs to have a means of support.  For healthy adults, this typically is done through a job.
   It seems to me that every honest job is a service to others, because by faithfully doing the work, others are benefiting from the results of your work or service.
   And if your job provides enough to live above the level of poverty, then you have the ability to be generous to others by also sharing financially.
   I think part of the choice given to each of us through free will is to seek a job or service that uses the gifts and talents we have.

[J.W.]

   Happy Tears asked the question, “Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?”
   On Earth in its current form, every individual who is not independently wealthy needs to have a means of support.  For healthy adults, this typically is done through a job.
   It seems to me that every honest job is a service to others, because by faithfully doing the work, others are benefiting from the results of your work or service.
   And if your job provides enough to live above the level of poverty, then you have the ability to be generous to others by also sharing financially.
   I think part of the choice given to each of us through free will is to seek a job or service that uses the gifts and talents we have.

David, your words, they concern a lot of 3rd density.

And through your vibration, I sense a fear of "suffering" or being "poor" and "death" in the 3rd.

Please see through the veil and illusion. Yes, you are correct, the system of "life" for humans on this planet at the current time is set up this way. Through monetary gain. Through "exchange" of services. "Everything" is give and take.

Again, what is your concern? a comfortable life in the 3rd? or the catalyst and lessons of your spirit?

Depending on how the questionnaire gives his/her query. You can see the density of the light from within. And the "answer" will do it's best to remain neutral.

Happy Tears can make whatever "choices" they believe to be correct.
At the same time, from my bias point of view, you do not have to make your "job" to be "helping" others.

Helping others on your freetime isn't unheard of.

But since there are a large amount of suffering and pain on this planet. It is a lucrative business to "save" the souls of the suffering.

You can make a lot of money if you can help people figure themselves out.

But ask yourself this, are you trying to win it all? STO and STS?

I will leave it at that, I hope this helps you and Happy Tears further on your journey.

May the light guides you.

[Patrick]

STS control and manipulation on the Internet takes the form of paid trolls. STO people should be able to spot them super fast or if not you learn that skill.

This forum is not what it was IMO simply because the great awakening is behind us now. So members are back to processing every day catalysts. They are looking inward now. Their external searching was quick and furious but short.

As Ra said, enlightenment is quick as a lightning strike and done in a moment.

Of course people are still awakening today, but the big wave of 2011 and 2012 has passed.

[dicliff]

I am fairly new at awakening (2017) and brand new to this forum so,
what does the following stand for:
STS?
STO?
IMO?

[Jim Kent +]

I am fairly new at awakening (2017) and brand new to this forum so,
what does the following stand for:
STS?
STO?
IMO?

Greetings dicliff, 

Welcome to the forum!

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=15933

[font=AGaramondPro-Bold, serif]Service to Others (Positive Path) [/font][font=AGaramondPro-Regular, serif]– One of two paths of polarity chosen in third-density experience. Also called the [/font][font=AGaramondPro-Italic, serif]path of that which is[/font][font=AGaramondPro-Regular, serif]; love, acceptance, and radiance are the hallmarks of the positive path. The positive path seeks to understand the unity of all things and revolves around the understanding, experiencing, accepting, and merging of self with self and with other-self, and finally with the Creator. In the desire to serve others is the fundamental respect for the free will of all beings and thus the positive entity awaits the call to service, serving only insofar as it is requested. The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This path attempts to open and balance the full spectrum of energy centers.[/font]

[font=AGaramondPro-Bold, serif] [/font]
[font=AGaramondPro-Bold, serif]Service to Self (Negative Path) [/font][font=AGaramondPro-Regular, serif]– One of two paths of polarity chosen in third-density experience. Also called the [/font][font=AGaramondPro-Italic, serif]path of that which not[/font][font=AGaramondPro-Regular, serif]; control, manipulation, and absorption are the hallmarks of the negative path. This path is predicated upon separation and the manipulation, infringement, and enslavement of the free will of all other selves for the benefit of the self. This necessitates an omission and denial of universal love, or the green-ray energy center. Thus lacking empathy, the service-to-self entity does not await the call to service but calls itself to conquest.[/font]


[font=AGaramondPro-Regular, serif]IMO: I think is In My Opinon [/font]

[Sacred Fool]

   Happy Tears asked the question, “Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?”
   On Earth in its current form, every individual who is not independently wealthy needs to have a means of support.  For healthy adults, this typically is done through a job.
   It seems to me that every honest job is a service to others, because by faithfully doing the work, others are benefiting from the results of your work or service.
   And if your job provides enough to live above the level of poverty, then you have the ability to be generous to others by also sharing financially.
   I think part of the choice given to each of us through free will is to seek a job or service that uses the gifts and talents we have.

David, your words, they concern a lot of 3rd density.

And through your vibration, I sense a fear of "suffering" or being "poor" and "death" in the 3rd.

Please see through the veil and illusion.

J.W., you might want to reread David_1's post more carefully because I think you got his meaning exactly wrong.  I don't hear him worrying particularly about suffering, etc.  Rather, he is talking about helping other people and sharing our inherent gifts--not because has a Messiah complex, which is the vibe I get from you--but merely out of simple goodness.
I think the veil may be in a place different from where you state it to be.
 
 

[Patrick]

Ah here's the quote I was looking for.

...Enlightenment is of the moment, is an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

So people come and go on forums like this one.  I believe I am still here because a forum is a good place to work on blue-ray, which is what I am focusing on in this life it would seem.

[Sacred Fool]

So people come and go on forums like this one.  I believe I am still here because a forum is a good place to work on blue-ray, which is what I am focusing on in this life it would seem.

Yes, entities come and go and, to my mind, the result on aggregate is a puer aeternis maturity deficit.  I'm happy for you (and for Asolsutsesvyl) that these fora allow you to exercise your voice.  My complaint is that the actual purpose of the existence of this paid for space is pretty much lost. 

I'm grieving because the LOO is no longer the focus of this space.  Instead, we get fragmented chit chat or sincere seeking that cannot take root and so drifts away.  Yes, entities come and go.

Not long ago the chat room was discarded.  Frankly, at this point, I think these chit chat threads might as well be terminated for exactly the same reasons.

If you bother to read the forum guidelines, the core hope was for this to be, not a space for random bloviation, but for serious seeking through the Ra Material and other L/L channelings.  But maybe that's just asking too much?  If this were flushed down the toilet tomorrow a teeny tiny portion of the world's population would lose its soap box, but other than that, what would it matter?
  
  

[J.W.]

peregrine,

You seem disgruntle and displeased with my response and philosophy, I humbly remind you that you don't have to take part in this, as I have said before that if anything doesn't resonate with you, then you can leave it be.

I don't appreciate the subtle jab of your accusation and how you selectively choose a portion of David's comment as an angle for your attack.

From the first time of our encounter and exchange, you have display a lot of resentment and you wanted to implement "authority" over what I post and/or what I have to say.

This doesn't seem to be "peaceful" or "happy." like you put in your "signature"

I hope whatever it is that is causing you hardship in your life will soon alleviate, and gives you some true peace and happiness my friend,

may the light guides you.

[Black Dragon]

In response to Asolsutsesvyl, Patrick, and peregrine in the latest posts.

From a unbiased stand-point and staying aligned with Ra. There is a very apparent behavior that STS entities, and "energy" that loves to do, and that is to get involve and muddle with ANY "progress." The attacks we see with Don's research, this forum, the Cassiopaean, and almost everywhere you look. The negative side leaves no room or chance for the positive polarity to move forward without resistance or obstacles.
This could be the nature of the polarities, where contrast is necessary for forward movement and growth.

But at the same time, it gives negative polarity a very distinctive behavior and identifiable trait.

Asolsutsesvyl, you hit the nail on this one. You see and understand the separation between the "Mind" and the "Heart," THAT is the core essence of negative polarity's actions.

From an up front observation, you can see the forum are littered with "fear mongering" "power/healing, obsessing" most of the current active members on this forum are glorifying metaphysics and applies method from the law of attraction extensively through their words and posts.

Under the mask of "good deeds" and "that is just life, we need to get pay to feed our kids and myself" notion and logic. A very narrow and shortsighted rationale that is backed up by the materialistic necessity of 3rd density.

To make it concise, I can sense and see that this forum has been attacked and controlled by negative polarity's influences.


On a bias perspective. From the STO side of observation.

There is a straight forward core essence of STO, and that is when you help others, you DO NOT expect anything in return and "worry" about your own benefits, this is the fundamental core essence of Service to others.

STS driven energies, entities, and people seems to have a very shrewd and victimizing angle of defense when this is brought up. The reasoning always fall under the "Oh, what about me? I am 'providing' a 'service' for others, I need to feed myself and my kids too."

When they employ this rationale, it is difficult to refute because it automatically makes you the "baddies." But if one can see through the BS and realize the true philosophy of the Law of One. You can simply points out that... "materialism is not an excuse, because your transition from 3rd to 4th isn't about you worrying if you or your kids getting fed."  It's about your choices..... Jesus of Nazareth didn't hang on the cross and say, "Well, this sucks, I should have hired body guards, or did something about traitors, so I wouldn't be suffering right now."

Instead, he said "forgive them, they know not better."

There is no concern for the illusion of the 3rd, at the same time spiritually staying aligned.

To conclude this perspective, Just as Ra has warned, there will be a spike of negatively driven entities and people on this planet when the master cycle is coming to an end. These entities, energies and people will claim to be "helping" others, but with a cost.
And cunningly disguise their "service" as a way of life, or occupation.

I cut out the BS. from this perspective. There is no "happy" medium or "gray" area between STO and STS. Just as there is no 50% positive polarity.

The mentality of half serving others, and half serving self is what going to force you to stay in 3rd a little longer until you figure it out.

Of course, from what I said above, Negative polarized entities has a tendency to "Encourage" this mentality or behavior as "logical"

Asolsutsesvyl, once again, you got it my friend, they separate the "mind" and the "heart."

Last but not least, those that falls under this influence from the negative will often time DO NOT see it. And they will defend their cause to the end, and if it doesn't work. The "victimizing" behavior or seeking authority to "shut down" the opposition.

I imagine the moderators in the past has to deal with this tremendous stress daily. In turn, this worn them out, and negative polarity gets the "playground" to themselves.

We got to see through the BS, and help other awakening Wanderers to see through this BS. For the newly awaken are very easily influenced by "logic" because "logic" is much more attractive on the surface.

I will finish my post with this.

I still stand by and accept the basic perspective of "free will." Therefore, there is no absolute judgement from me on others, especially those who has chosen the method or action they are taking. For "they" are the one that they will be "speaking and reflecting" to when their vessel expire. Not me, not my bias, nor my observation has anything to do with it.

With that understanding, I share the love and the light equally for both polarities, as we are all... of One.

You see one side to their tactic, but your words display something that seems to have gotten around your discernment....and that's the tactic of making STO oriented people feel that they are not worthy of joy or happiness or looking after their own well being. Ideas like "happiness ain't the objective", or "if your not suffering, your doing STO wrong" that get tossed around on this forum occasionally display an arbitrary martyr mentality. Now that's a separation of the heart and mind if there was ever an example.

I'm right there with you on charlatans sharing the same regurgitated new-age mumbo jumbo self-serving law of attraction crap for exorbitant fees and stringing people along who should really be their own authorities in seeking to make a profit and easy living. On the flip side, I don't see concern with one's own well being and basic needs being met to be STS, but I do see that image of STO being self-denying and even self-flagellating martyrs who denounce joy as selfish and gladly embrace suffering, believing they are not equally worthy of happiness as the others they serve, as serving the STS agenda greatly. How could one who denies themselves joy ever have any to share with anyone else?

And what if every single STO were to martyr themselves and expend without considering their own happiness and well being? Then they'd all be arbitrarily sacrificing, and all too busy doing so to benefit from anyone else's sacrifices or make each other happy. All STO would be martyring themselves for nothing, nobody would be happy(except STS) and the only people benefitting from the sacrifices would be STS.

To me, a martyr mentality smacks of separation, because one values the self lower than those they serve, when the truth of oneness is equality. Does this mean individual acts of martyrdom are arbitrary, worthless, or misled? Not all of them, of course. Some times that choice is made in certain scenarios from a heart-felt place of genuine free will, and it is a beautiful expression. This is the act of martyrdom in certain instances that may call for it, not the mindset. Martyrdom as a mindset or a dogma on what a model STO being should be is toxic and an underhanded STS trap.

[Ymarsakar]

So people come and go on forums like this one.  I believe I am still here because a forum is a good place to work on blue-ray, which is what I am focusing on in this life it would seem.

Yes, entities come and go and, to my mind, the result on aggregate is a puer aeternis maturity deficit.  I'm happy for you (and for Asolsutsesvyl) that these fora allow you to exercise your voice.  My complaint is that the actual purpose of the existence of this paid for space is pretty much lost. 

I'm grieving because the LOO is no longer the focus of this space.  Instead, we get fragmented chit chat or sincere seeking that cannot take root and so drifts away.  Yes, entities come and go.

Not long ago the chat room was discarded.  Frankly, at this point, I think these chit chat threads might as well be terminated for exactly the same reasons.

If you bother to read the forum guidelines, the core hope was for this to be, not a space for random bloviation, but for serious seeking through the Ra Material and other L/L channelings.  But maybe that's just asking too much?  If this were flushed down the toilet tomorrow a teeny tiny portion of the world's population would lose its soap box, but other than that, what would it matter?
  
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxuoYnxUs&t=2835s

The Law of One is spreading via the pod casts and interviews like this one. That is more strategically important. I get the sense/detect that the people who moderate these forums are the second or third or 4th generation seekers, that grew up underneath Carla's generation. They still have Jim as an old guard, but Jim's astro fate configuration was specifically designed to create the manual for wanderers, The Law of One channel material. Thus those who follow spiritual teachers and gurus, or who have not specifically configured their life fate (pre mortal planning), will not be extremely efficient at things outside their purview.

Or in other words, Aaron Abke chose a pre mortal configuration/astro fate that lets him do intense work in the 5th chakra, light blue to dark blue, in expression, which also benefits him as a way of life financially, and allows him to both teach others and to learn while doing so. This is a relatively "optimum" life plan, using post 2012 energies.

Expecting people, moderators, or Jim (avatar of x density), to push for an old energy for this place, is not necessary.

As a relatively newcomer to the Law of One material (1-2 years), I find the forums to be useful as they collate a significant amount of channeled information that I may not be able to find so easily. Law of One I can easily find, the stuff on Quo and La.... that is a little bit harder.

To respond to JW: There is a contradiction in using the term "them" or "negative", while talking about higher densities and the Law of One. This is a relatively common confusion condition. The density people are on is the 3rd density. Even avatars of higher densities, are still on the 3rd density. Earth is transitioning to the 4th density, that of the heart, but the 4th density is full of polarity confusions too, so it is inherently similar to the 3rd density, in the beginning at least.

To use a relatively modern Chinese way of looking at things, to cultivate oneself from mortal to divine god, requires around 9 steps. The first 3 are the body tempering, the mastery of root, solar, and sexual chakras. This improves the physical body and provides energy and force. The 4th step is the hardest initiation, as it requires the use of invisible energies, chi or divine internal force. This is the heart chakra of internal power, which is a fragment of divine source. I can only pierce the Veil up to the 7th or 8th chakras. The 9th that the Council of 9 talks about, is outside of my telepathic comprehension (divine solid hard drive storage, cloud storage).

An entity cannot simply jump to the highest levels, which approximates Law of One, non duality, by completely ignoring the basic 3 or 4 steps. Every entity, which is also later a collective, must proceed gradually, step by step.  So a 7th density, at the 7 of 9 total steps to Divine Adeptus attainment, has not ignored the first 4 steps. They continually cultivate the first 4 chakras. That is what produces the catalyst required to grow and pierce through the next layer of Creation.

Humanity can merely think of it as a hierarchy, a set of grades, where when you graduate, you can forget about first grade material. That's not how it works in the Multiverse Fractal. In the multiverse, when you "graduate" to the next level, you take all the previous levels with you and just continuously self cultivate all of it, while attempting to use/seek the next level or layer of creation. Thus this is the Self Spiral Inward force of a black hole or super galactic central sun core. A divine fragment soul entity gathers around its mind spirit body complex, all of Creation. But due to the limitations of that fragment's understanding and power, they can only grab what they can grab so to speak. The more they can "fold" in on themselves, the more the Creation itself "refolds" back in on itself. The expansion is thus withdrawing and reversing itself, back to Source.

This is why iamraw cannot merely abandon Earth or previous actions and karma here. They are required to follow up with their Pyramid customer service, until humanity fixes itself. This is not something 6th density super civilizations can ignore, if they wish to progress more. If they can't ignore it, how does anyone here expect to be able to ignore the lower densities of elemental/crystal 1st, and animals 2nd density?

And as for dark entities interfering with this forum... to be honest with you, all of you humans have been hacked at a root level. What you call STS or Satan, controls and influences your very thoughts and emotions. Thus it is not the fault of the forum moderators or anyone else, that people do what they do. They do it of their own free will, it is just that they don't realize that it has been hijacked and the will they are following is not their own. As JW wrote, they do not realize what they are doing.... but of course, JW, that also applies to you.

<B>The thread about that event is peaceful, but soon after, some newcomers who believed Ra negative or disagreed with the basic philosophy repeated Cyan's idea that things may be too cult-like here, generally attacking things and letting the moderators "prove" that it's not a cult through non-intervention. That's another of those short emotional storms making a portion of members leave.</b>

This tactic is generally used to disrupt and subvert an organization, when an organization's leadership cannot be subverted. On facebook lightworker/starseed groups, the preferred method is to gain limited control of the moderator or leader, as they have the authority to change their own rules and policies. If that cannot be done, then the tactic is to indirectly cause a frequency barrier and shift, motivating people to leave and scatter. These are standard counter measures by the dark matrix AI, when it detects humans attempting to pierce the Veil or cultivating chakras. In the Law of One material, iamraw says their "negative companion" has attempted all sorts of persuasion of Carla, for her to stop or invest her energies elsewhere. All such greetings were rejected by Don, Carla, and Jim. These greetings, from a sixth density perspective, would be what we on the 3rd density would call "attacks", psychically or physically.

[Patrick]

Well Peregrine, I agree that the former splendor of this place was ultimately better for seekers. Especially newer seekers. I myself hate controlling others or their opinion and would be completely miserable as a moderator. But I suspect that if others would like to take that mantle, the owners might be happy about it.

That being said, the search function can be used to get to the real good stuff if any seeker wishes to find info on a subject.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

This community tends to be a bit slow-going and scatter-minded, I have found, but is great as a place where inspiration can flow quite freely. It appears to have been under fire, psychically, from time to time over the past years.

(Really? Do you have any proof of this? I'm wondering how I missed it?)

The kind of patterns I'm looking for are impossible to materialistically distinguish from "bad luck in community developments". It is always possible to say that it was just bad luck for the group. Thus, no proof is possible.

The clearest window into modern developments of that kind on this forum I've found is what's in the somewhat older thread "Why the hate for wisdom?". There you have a chronicling of a gradually brewing interpersonal mess which led to a significant portion of the members feeling that this was no longer the place for them and leaving, as noted there. Yet, I think people on the forum had the resources for things to have developed in a more constructive way.

As I put it in the ha-ha-only-serious 'quantum bogodynamics' thread, "What 4D STS beings work hard to do is like playing a game in which the goal is to use the smallest number of psychic "balls" to knock down as many targets as possible. One good throw, or however it's done, and a fragile human network may disintegrate..." I think that's been part of the usual fabric of human history developments for millennia.

The old answers from Ra briefly touch on 5D STS capabilities as abstract pattern matching and alteration, in thinking of the implications of e.g. described attempts to psychologically break Carla. That's like a bit of supercomputer involvement compared to the smaller systems of 4D STS minions.

Break up of Networks

The most common and most serious form of [negative alien] interference is the breaking up of networks, and friendships, relationships. I've seen how people are profiled for their weaknesses and then played against each other in very precise ways to create the maximum amount of damage. I saw this happen all the time on the Noble Realms forum that I ran for several years. That forum was a constant target of disruptions because it was a fringe sanctuary of sorts and a lot of good came from it. But people were being targeted left and right. One guy left the forum for a while because he was so spooked at his own overreactions, you know, by the sensation of being overcome by an external psychic pressure.

From what I could tell, some external force was profiling members, scanning them for their weaknesses, who held what interests, who had what buttons and ego sensitivities and so on. This force could also see the near future and tell when certain people would be at their low points, which I noticed tended to correlate with lunar and biorhythm cycles. So it would pick the weakest people and start working them over, possibly even through abduction, so that at their weakest time they could be pressured into carrying out a certain act, into saying something that had a very strategically calculated effect. One thing then triggers another and the end result would be a permanent ruin of important friendships and great damage to my credibility and reputation as well.

The personal shadows of individual participants are the main attack surfaces, in other words. That's what the rest follows from.

So the work to see and sort through one's own mess is, in general, the best thing one can do, along with gently guiding those less mature or easily triggered to avoid pouring fuel on destructive fires.

Thankfully, things on bring4th are nowhere near as dramatic as in the case of how Montalk continues to describe his forum, and peculiar moderation work...

But I caught onto this and got better and better at heading it off. Like I would get precognitive dreams and other indicators that would let me know who would be the problem, what the issue would be about, and roughly when it would occur. That allowed me to make some prescient moderator moves that prevented about half of these incidences from coming to fruition. People who didn't have the inside scoop were pretty mystified at my moderation style, but little did they know that an invisible war was happening behind the scenes. This allowed me to keep the forum running for a good four years before I had to move onto other things.

I think a less visible influence limiting negative influx was lost with Carla's passing. A 'bogon filter', so to say. But beyond that, the limited focus of the community and it avoiding the most sensitive areas probably helped it remain stable. Things may gradually heat up as things more sensitive to higher-density STS observers enter the focus.

Generally, there's no simple answers to sorting out this stuff. Enough humility to see that one doesn't have it all seems an absolute must. I know from other reading and cases that individuals who believe their inner spiritual guidance perfect, or groups who think the group as a whole can sort anything out, are almost guaranteed to fail spectacularly (or end up succeeding as negative). I don't have much advice, and I know far more about things that look like bad ideas than things which look like the way to go.

I do think that a tendency on the part of moderators here, of being slow to respond when upsets ignite, may have led to them facing much bigger things to respond to a little later, in the cases of the big 'meltdowns'.

That brings to mind some questions of what's going on at the site. It originally, before my time here, was much more focused around the topic of Ra-related things and the accompanying philosophy. In several steps, the focus became more general, and previously off-topic topics became fine to discuss.

(This I am aware of. "Fine to discuss" by dint of sloppy moderating or for deliberate reasons?)

I don't know the history well enough to expand my summary much. I also don't feel all that sure whether it was a good summary.

But it seems clear that, however it came about, the mindset of the moderators eventually changed, i.e. nowadays they are not merely 'sloppy' (or unengaged), but genuinely more permissive.

Much more recently, the moderators decided to be more lenient with views against the core philosophy of the community. That's after the old approach backfired when the member Cyan left. The thread about that event is peaceful, but soon after, some newcomers who believed Ra negative or disagreed with the basic philosophy repeated Cyan's idea that things may be too cult-like here, generally attacking things and letting the moderators "prove" that it's not a cult through non-intervention. That's another of those short emotional storms making a portion of members leave.

(Again I am curious, do you know this because it was stated or is this merely your own assessment? )

I guessed at the policy change in noting that they seem to have suddenly stopped stepping in, after the leaving event, to either censor or correct anything on any philosophical grounds. Just before, they evidently still did. After, it seems unlikely given the stuff allowed, and the lack of complaints about being censored by those upset about such.

It's more pure guesswork that the moderators may have felt particularly pressured with the short-lived influx of trolling. It's easy to imagine any censorship by a moderator immediately having been responded to with insults accompanied by the word "cult", during that episode. It seems the moderators just observed until it ended. Then they stuck to being extra lax afterwards.

I'm grieving because the LOO is no longer the focus of this space. Instead, we get fragmented chit chat or sincere seeking that cannot take root and so drifts away. Yes, entities come and go.

Not long ago the chat room was discarded. Frankly, at this point, I think these chit chat threads might as well be terminated for exactly the same reasons.

If you bother to read the forum guidelines, the core hope was for this to be, not a space for random bloviation, but for serious seeking through the Ra Material and other L/L channelings. But maybe that's just asking too much? If this were flushed down the toilet tomorrow a teeny tiny portion of the world's population would lose its soap box, but other than that, what would it matter?

I think the community took a general hit to the quality level of discussion with the series of meltdowns making many older members leave. That kind of change can reverse, but it would take years without more of the same happening.

But the community still seems to live on better than the most pessimistic comments suggest, now and then over the past few years, in wondering if it's about to fade out and die.

A question is what people can engage with and in, here. Mostly the discussions of the moment, apart from what they bring with them inside. It's easy to say, but perhaps the staff here could think of something more that people could be involved in, focused on the LOO.

The chat room loosely about it ended, the forum lives on as a fairly unstructured place. Something more structured could be introduced to complement it, though my thinking is biased towards wikis. A collaborative encyclopedia focused on an area can produce a resource with the noise filtered out, by and for a community.

I don't know if such ideas point close enough to where may turn out useful to, or not.

[J.W.]

Alright, this post is now officially being attacked and derailed. I am going to do a purging ritual physically and spiritually expel any divergent or "overthinking" from all commentators, seekers and members. To realign the equilibrium of this post, which is my creation and taking full responsibility of it's direction.

I would like to Thank and give credits to Ymarsakar, for bringing me to the full realization on "methods" and "understanding" of the duality of polarity/intention/introspection and how the intertwining positive/negative polarities exist within a soul and all souls.

The philosophy behind this is, "Your observation serves you." Ymarsakar, I am sure you see it too as you reminded me about how I warn others about "them not seeing it."

That is a rabbit hole, and I am stopping it there without putting too much fuel into it. (from a positive perspective of course)

I am going to keep my next comment simple and to the point, to serve as a RESET of this mental maelstrom that seems to be leading the original intention of my post into disarray, misdirection, and confusion. From discussion about forum moderators leaving and how people should live their lives or do their jobs, this is not the original intention of this post.

All of this will be sorted out in my next response.

As for Black Dragon, you overthink too much about what I said. If I may assert and clarify with you.

I am not here to persuade ANYONE to do anything with their lives, or "martyrdom" themselves for the sake of STO.
This has been mentioned time after time from my response, I tell everyone that "YOU make your own choices."

How you perceive the "Information" I share was also left for your own interpretation and if it doesn't resonate with you. Leave it be. The moment you feel the urge from the bottom of your throat to refute and create conflicts, you lost your control over yourself and blinded to what my original intention meant to do.

The "underhanded" method you speak of is the same strategy Terrorist group use to have their "followers" go blow themselves up for good cause.

I see what you are doing, don't paint this post in this way, because that isn't my intention and you are perverting the original information in a darker light.
I don't know what your intention behind this is about, because once again, when I was being bias on my perspective, I openly spoke of it and apologize beforehand, and at the same time, I do not ask people to make a choice. These statements has been repeated continuously through my responses.

I am going to leave this conversation here and ending it, to avoid further "painting" and misdirection.

[J.W.]

RESET

The purpose of this is to purge any misalignment and further spiraling interpretation, assumption, derailing of this post from it's original purpose.

1: This post was made to warn awakening Wanderers and Seekers of possible negative influences as they are awakening, to be aware of "gurus," "guides" and "spiritual healers" that lures them into paying for the services and seek "help" from that kind of sources. Not that this is completely bad, but there is a inherent danger of seeking "enlightenment" by paying someone else to "show" you the way. Once again The information from Page 1 of this post is to give other-selves a heads up of possible misinformation and manipulation of negative polarity.

This has nothing to do with how you want to use your "gift" and how you want to run your "business" and your own life decision. I have mentioned that once you pass away from your 3rd density vessel, you will have a talk in the "lobby" with yourself about your "choices." None of that has to do with the information I brings or my bias perspective.

2: From the beginning of this post, I have said, "If this resonate with you, good." if not, then Leave it be. I openly took questions and comments from other members about how to go about the path of STO, and that was a mistake. Even when I let them know beforehand that my response is bias due to my choice. Some of you seem to ignored this. The bottom line is that, You are responsible for your own choice, and You are responsible on how you perceive the information.

3: ANY comments, questions, and responses from this point forward will not be reply in the previous fashion, because I am starting to see a "push and pull" in attempts of using what I said against my original information. Sneaky. But nice try.

To close up and complete this reset of equilibrium and purging of any disgruntle, displease, and disharmony. For the last time, the choice you make and how you want to help others is ENTIRELY up to you. The only attention I brings to the awakening ones is that you need to be vigilant of the "methods" and "manipulation" of negative polarity that comes in a form of "doomsday fear mongering" or "magical healing of all your sorrow and pain by this short-cut!"

That is all.

Moving forward from this point: I strongly "suggest" all members and seekers to refrain from going into other topics that has nothing to do with the original post on page 1. Please feel free to question, but if you have your own opinion, disagreement, or "assumption." Then I greatly appreciate it you starting your own post and have the discussion there. Feel free to continue the disagreement though, because beyond this point, I will not be partaking in that.

Any attempts to taunt, troll, and negative attacks will be overlooked.

I would like to thank all participants in this discussion up to this point, because the process of Teach/Learn and Learn/Teach is forever ongoing, I have learned much from the conversation and insight from some of the members and seekers. This, I humbly grateful for.

Nothing follows, and this conclude the RESET.


And as always, with love and with light, may the light guides us all.

[Black Dragon]

Alright, this post is now officially being attacked and derailed. I am going to do a purging ritual physically and in my following post, I am going spiritually expel any divergent or "overthinking" from all commentators, seekers and members. To realign the equilibrium of this post, which is my creation and taking full responsibility of it's direction.

I would like to Thank and give credits to Ymarsakar, for bringing me to the full realization on "methods" and "understanding" of the duality of polarity/intention/introspection and how the intertwining positive/negative polarities exist within a soul and all souls.

The philosophy behind this is, "Your observation serves you." Ymarsakar, I am sure you see it too as you reminded me about how I warn others about "them not seeing it."

That is a rabbit hole, and I am stopping it there without putting too much fuel into it. (from a positive perspective of course)

I am going to keep my next comment simple and to the point, to serve as a RESET of this mental maelstrom that seems to be leading the original intention of my post into disarray, misdirection, and confusion. From discussion about forum moderators leaving and how people should live their lives or do their jobs, this is not the original intention of this post.

All of this will be sorted out in my next response.

As for Black Dragon, you overthink too much about what I said. If I may assert and clarify with you.

I am not here to persuade ANYONE to do anything with their lives, or "martyrdom" themselves for the sake of STO.
This has been mentioned time after time from my response, I tell everyone that "YOU make your own choices."

How you perceive the "Information" I share was also left for your own interpretation and if it doesn't resonate with you. Leave it be. The moment you feel the urge from the bottom of your throat to refute and create conflicts, you lost your control over yourself and blinded to what my original intention.

The "underhanded" method you speak of is the same strategy Terrorist group use to have their "followers" go blow themselves up for good cause.

I see what you are doing, don't paint this post in this way, because that isn't my intention and you are perverting the original information in a darker light.
I don't know what your intention behind this is about, because once again, when I was being bias on my perspective, I openly spoke of it and apologize beforehand, and at the same time, I do not ask people to make a choice. These statements has been repeated continuously through my responses.

I am going to leave this conversation here and ending it, to avoid further "painting" and misdirection.

If you want to end the conversation, that's cool. I understand. Before that, I think I need to assert and clarify some things myself, to dispel the misunderstanding. Looking back, I sort of jumped the gun and came at this discussion a bit heavy-handed with my own perspectives and interpretation. That being said, the intention was never to paint or misdirect anything. Furthermore, I agree that your thread was derailed with all this rules/moderator talk, ironically, by people complaining of off-topic/derailment. I can totally see why you are frustrated and annoyed at that. I also did not accuse you of trying to promote a martyr mentality, I only tried to point out the potential danger of the opposite extreme of the one you pointed out.

You made a point about wanderers and people in general being concerned with their material needs and their own well being, of "getting something in return" to the point they lose sight of what really matters and operate in a somewhat STS manner. This is a legitimate point and concern, and I agree. I've even said as much. What I was trying to point out, for a better 360 degree view of STS tactics and wanderer pitfalls, was the other side of the coin, or opposite extreme that's just as bad, where wanderers feel they need to sacrifice and expend with no regard to their own physical, mental, and emotional well-being, or even feel unworthy of joy, comfort, or success.

Carla dealt to some degree with this concept of over-expenditure and unworthiness, and it is exactly because of what you said: a disconnect or separation of love and wisdom, the heart and the mind. You explained one way that can work, and I explained the flip side of the coin. I was hasty, opinionated, and may not have worded things the best, but my intention was not to refute, deny, or paint/misdirect any of your statements, but to EXPAND on them and give a more complete, holistic, 360 degree view of the ideas you presented.

What I shared are my own biases and perspectives, and I'm sorry it came off the wrong way to you. I feel strongly about my views and principles, and maybe that came off as hostility or argumentativeness. My intent here is not subversion, but clarity; examining every angle of a topic to get a more complete view. Once again, I'll admit I may have been heavy-handed and not worded or explained my views the best, and for that I sincerely apologize, but my intention was never to subvert, mislead, attack, or derail anything. If you continue to take it that way, that's your free will and there's nothing I can do to help the situation other than try to clarify and explain myself. I think I've done the best I can in that regard, how you receive it is out of my hands.

[J.W.]

Alright, this post is now officially being attacked and derailed. I am going to do a purging ritual physically and in my following post, I am going spiritually expel any divergent or "overthinking" from all commentators, seekers and members. To realign the equilibrium of this post, which is my creation and taking full responsibility of it's direction.

I would like to Thank and give credits to Ymarsakar, for bringing me to the full realization on "methods" and "understanding" of the duality of polarity/intention/introspection and how the intertwining positive/negative polarities exist within a soul and all souls.

The philosophy behind this is, "Your observation serves you." Ymarsakar, I am sure you see it too as you reminded me about how I warn others about "them not seeing it."

That is a rabbit hole, and I am stopping it there without putting too much fuel into it. (from a positive perspective of course)

I am going to keep my next comment simple and to the point, to serve as a RESET of this mental maelstrom that seems to be leading the original intention of my post into disarray, misdirection, and confusion. From discussion about forum moderators leaving and how people should live their lives or do their jobs, this is not the original intention of this post.

All of this will be sorted out in my next response.

As for Black Dragon, you overthink too much about what I said. If I may assert and clarify with you.

I am not here to persuade ANYONE to do anything with their lives, or "martyrdom" themselves for the sake of STO.
This has been mentioned time after time from my response, I tell everyone that "YOU make your own choices."

How you perceive the "Information" I share was also left for your own interpretation and if it doesn't resonate with you. Leave it be. The moment you feel the urge from the bottom of your throat to refute and create conflicts, you lost your control over yourself and blinded to what my original intention.

The "underhanded" method you speak of is the same strategy Terrorist group use to have their "followers" go blow themselves up for good cause.

I see what you are doing, don't paint this post in this way, because that isn't my intention and you are perverting the original information in a darker light.
I don't know what your intention behind this is about, because once again, when I was being bias on my perspective, I openly spoke of it and apologize beforehand, and at the same time, I do not ask people to make a choice. These statements has been repeated continuously through my responses.

I am going to leave this conversation here and ending it, to avoid further "painting" and misdirection.

If you want to end the conversation, that's cool. I understand. Before that, I think I need to assert and clarify some things myself, to dispel the misunderstanding. Looking back, I sort of jumped the gun and came at this discussion a bit heavy-handed with my own perspectives and interpretation. That being said, the intention was never to paint or misdirect anything. Furthermore, I agree that your thread was derailed with all this rules/moderator talk, ironically, by people complaining of off-topic/derailment. I can totally see why you are frustrated and annoyed at that. I also did not accuse you of trying to promote a martyr mentality, I only tried to point out the potential danger of the opposite extreme of the one you pointed out.

You made a point about wanderers and people in general being concerned with their material needs and their own well being, of "getting something in return" to the point they lose sight of what really matters and operate in a somewhat STS manner. This is a legitimate point and concern, and I agree. I've even said as much. What I was trying to point out, for a better 360 degree view of STS tactics and wanderer pitfalls, was the other side of the coin, or opposite extreme that's just as bad, where wanderers feel they need to sacrifice and expend with no regard to their own physical, mental, and emotional well-being, or even feel unworthy of joy, comfort, or success.

Carla dealt to some degree with this concept of over-expenditure and unworthiness, and it is exactly because of what you said: a disconnect or separation of love and wisdom, the heart and the mind. You explained one way that can work, and I explained the flip side of the coin. I was hasty, opinionated, and may not have worded things the best, but my intention was not to refute, deny, or paint/misdirect any of your statements, but to EXPAND on them and give a more complete, holistic, 360 degree view of the ideas you presented.

What I shared are my own biases and perspectives, and I'm sorry it came off the wrong way to you. I feel strongly about my views and principles, and maybe that came off as hostility or argumentativeness. My intent here is not subversion, but clarity; examining every angle of a topic to get a more complete view. Once again, I'll admit I may have been heavy-handed and not worded or explained my views the best, and for that I sincerely apologize, but my intention was never to subvert, mislead, attack, or derail anything. If you continue to take it that way, that's your free will and there's nothing I can do to help the situation other than try to clarify and explain myself. I think I've done the best I can in that regard, how you receive it is out of my hands.

Black Dragon, It's alright, I never stop loving you for who you are.

I didn't "sense" a "pure" negative energy from what you said before, hence I said you might have "overthink" and I also mentioned that I am not 100% sure of the direction of your "martyrdom" explanation.

But this has been clarified in this response by you, therefore, I am humbly and sincerely appreciate your integrity and introspection. That is highly admirable and well received.

I am too going to follow your foot step and apologize for the words I choose that made you feel I accuse you of "derailment or painting"

The "derailment" observation is not just from your comment, but it is a general observation I made after realizing that my opinion is causing infringement on seekers and others. This is my mistake, my choice towards STO is mine and to discuss this openly and share my polarity is something I need to be careful of as it has negative consequences regarding infringing freewill.

This has been a humbling and great lesson for me. And I thank you and everyone that was involved.

With love and Light Black Dragon, may the lights and loves of the infinite creator guides both you and I.

[Sacred Fool]

I wish to suggest to you, J.W., that you try harder to work *with* your forum mates, and not struggle so hard against them.

Please note that you showed up here out of the blue last month, created a post exhorting your personal ability (absent a presentation of any qualifications) to address all new seekers and set them straight, and you posted your own opinions on a forum entitled "STRICTLY Law of One Material," which, if you read the guidelines, was not created for this purpose.

Yes, I am challenging you, but I am not attacking you. I am trying to hold a mirror up to you. And, by the way, happiness and peace are not simply about sweets and candies. Sometimes sometimes a medicinal flavor or bittersweet is useful in the blend.

As a general comment I might add this. The opposite of uninvited interference is not greater organization nor more knowledge: according to Confederation sources, it is love. I wonder where that fits into your imaginings?

[Sacred Fool]

Well Peregrine, I agree that the former splendor of this place was ultimately better for seekers. Especially newer seekers. I myself hate controlling others or their opinion and would be completely miserable as a moderator.

Yes, exactly.  It was a much more loving place at one time (as well as having other qualities), and more mutually supportive.  And, I might add, I was certainly not especially loving, myself, in those days, but I did appreciate its presence.

Moderation is clearly not for everyone.  I've never been particularly moderate, personally---more passionate.
  
  

[Sacred Fool]

(Thanks for your thoughtful reply.) 

But the community still seems to live on better than the most pessimistic comments suggest, now and then over the past few years, in wondering if it's about to fade out and die.

(Yes, but it feels now as if it's ailing in a way it has not in the past.  I think that the ups and downs over the years are attributable to simply human causes and that little or no non-human disturbance was needed.  [Naturally, I cannot prove that either.]  We're simply reflecting various aspects of the range of human experience at different times.) 

A question is what people can engage with and in, here. Mostly the discussions of the moment, apart from what they bring with them inside. It's easy to say, but perhaps the staff here could think of something more that people could be involved in, focused on the LOO.

(Personally, I think it's fine to have a space for chit-chat, a space for bloviation and pontification, a space for study, a space for beauty, for creativity and so forth.  One problem is that if the sense of community [hard to define and determine] becomes aligned with pontification or argumentation, then people are less inclined to show up and share the beauty, etc.)  

The chat room loosely about it ended, the forum lives on as a fairly unstructured place. Something more structured could be introduced to complement it, though my thinking is biased towards wikis. A collaborative encyclopedia focused on an area can produce a resource with the noise filtered out, by and for a community.

One thought I have is for some members to curate a section of the forums in the way they would like to design it.  Perhaps that means heavy moderation so that submitted posts take a few days to clear the censor and be posted?  Maybe the curator would reply back to potential posters with comments like this: "Could you please include some illustrations?"  Or "please say more about such-and-such."  The point would be to flesh out conversations on specific topics stemming from LLR channeled materials.)

I don't know if such ideas point close enough to where may turn out useful to, or not.

???

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I don't know if [the above] ideas point close enough to where may turn out useful to, or not.

???

I meant, the heart of the matter, what kind of problem is most significant and how it may be solved, in the community, is not clear, though you feel something strongly about it. So, do the ideas go in the right direction to the point of truly touching on whatever it is? That wasn't clear to me.

[Sacred Fool]

I don't know if [the above] ideas point close enough to where may turn out useful to, or not.

???

I meant, the heart of the matter, what kind of problem is most significant and how it may be solved, in the community, is not clear, though you feel something strongly about it. So, do the ideas go in the right direction to the point of truly touching on whatever it is? That wasn't clear to me.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear.  I knew what you meant.  I was trying to say that I don't know either.
  
  

[Ymarsakar]

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0103.aspx

Daily quo. Haha, are you guys watching us or something? Nearly perfect.

Also, the x i am talking to, probably knows who or what i am. If you are confused, ever wonder why looking glass could not shift timelines? Hint hint

[wondering monk]

Thank you JW for sharing that. It was very informative. I am new to all this and just have started reading Law of One book one.

[J.W.]

Thank you JW for sharing that.  It was very informative.  I am new to all this and just have started reading Law of One book one.

You're very welcome, I am glad it resonated with you.

Stay safe,

With love and light my friend,

[flofrog]

Very interesting thread. May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have. I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.