(02-08-2021, 02:46 PM)confusedseeker Wrote:(02-08-2021, 02:10 PM)unity100 Wrote: The matter of the truth is that this anti-vaccine rhetoric stems from US, and from alt-right and conspiracy circles. I
This is CIA language.
Nonsensical proposition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy#Japan
Vaccination at large is mandatory for adults in numerous civilized countries, and mandatory in a larger part of the world for children for schooling and welfare or other government related programs.
That's the reason why you dont know a reality called 'polio' or 'measles'. But thanks to this anti-vaccine nonsense, Americans brought measles back.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...or/592756/
Quote:You can take the vaccine, support big pharma and our corrupt authoritarian gov't as much as you want.
I dont know what your government is, but what i know is CIA doesnt make laws where i am, so that doesnt even make sense.
Quote:You will not infringe on our free will.
And you will not infect me or my loved ones with new strains of the virus you cook in your body due to your vaccine evasion.
If your free will involves infecting other people against their will by not taking appropriate survival measures, yeah, the society eventually will either 'infringe' on your 'free will', or just kick you out of it.
The absurd contradiction in between criticizing someone for 'infringing' on one's free will and ordering him to not do it is considerable, by the way.
Quote:Do you think rich elites force their kids to be vaccinated?
Yeah. Those very rich elites were the first ones to get vaccinated when vaccines were scarce, creating a lot of public outrage. Rich football stars, major politicians, actual aristocrats, billionaires, all rushed to get vaccinated the moment any vaccine-like thing was available. Where i am, it was criticized on the net and tv for months.
Quote:Have you researched what vaccinations have done in Africa (it's both good and bad).
Vaccines are always good and bad. They are not miracle cures. Like any other medicine. There is a percentage of reaction rate from all vaccines, and yeah, a smaller risk of heavy repercussions and an even smaller risk of death. That is how substances work. You cant concoct a substance which will magically do what you want when you put in anyone's body without causing effects in at least some of them.
The whole point of vaccines is using a very weak, watered down version of a disease to help someone's body gain immunity to the virus. The virus, otherwise, is still that virus, and any material contained in a vaccine can cause side effects or reactions in a given percentage of people.
People have allergies to all kinds of things ranging from peanuts to wool. Thinking that magical medicines which do not cause any reaction in anyone would be absurd.
The whole point is reducing the percentage of any reaction, reducing the percentage of any serious result, and reducing the chance of any deaths even further.
Its a matter comparison in between the chance of dying from or getting damaged by the disease and an incomparably smaller chance of getting affected by the vaccine.
(02-08-2021, 02:52 PM)zedro Wrote: I.e. a massive infringement on free will, and specifically against the Nuremberg Code***. Just thought I'd point that out.
Same with husing seatbelts. Same with smoking bans in airplanes. Same with an immensely large number of 'free will infringements' which allow organized society to happen.
Quote:*** (subject to interpretation, mainstream "authoratative sources" will of course disagree with the insinuation as it implies crimes against humanity)
Relatives of people who died from new variants of covid that originated from countries that flunked the covid response or countries with a large number of anti-vaccine population thanks to those people creating a breeding ground for the virus, would disagree.
(02-08-2021, 03:07 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: I think you should research Operation Warp Speed and research WHO created the vaccine.
That is false. 'Operation Warp Speed', ie, the method of deregulating the vaccine's development by ramming the vaccine through the safety regulations was American government's project done in US.
It has nothing to do with WHO, who doesnt produce any vaccines.
Vaccines of the rest of the world were produced through the usual procedure which vaccines have been always produced by going through the same checks which all vaccines go through. That's why it took so long to produce the vaccines. And not surprisingly, almost every different country's vaccine took the same amount of time - from China's to Eu's. That's because biomedical technology only allows that much speed.
Incidentally the much lauded American 'Pfizer' vaccine is not American, it was created by a German company called BioNtech that was founded by two recent Turkish immigrants to Germany. Pfizer just got the licenses for manufacturing and distributing it.
So, even trying to ram a vaccine through the regulatory measures did not allow US to put forth a vaccine before rest of the world, in an amazing twist of fate.