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    05-10-2021, 09:28 AM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 02:09 PM by Ming the Merciful.)
    Over recent days I have been led, (by the Void), to unchartered territory. The concept of Non-Duality. The Pinnacle on the top of the Pyramid and opening of new doors. The basic concept of Non-Duality, is there is no need to be a "Seeker", in search of the Ultimate Truth. The Ultimate truth lies within, and there is nothing to find, or search for.  Everything is complete and nothing is lost. There is nothing to be found, because nothing is missing. The outside world is an illusion and we are complete. For further information I recommend downloading the free PDF, (below). On YouTube I have discovered other like-minded people.

    http://cloud2.snappages.com/ed35bc002396...130427.pdf





    Jim Newman, highly recommended.

    Part two is more intensive.
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    05-10-2021, 10:32 AM
    First they need to fix the mirror before searching within for the Ultimate Tao.
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    05-10-2021, 10:52 AM
    as I was making breakfast this morning i was reflecting on a moment i experienced last year wherein i began to see very clearly that there was nothing to "get", that i was (and am) already complete, and that i am exactly where i need to be.

    it is a strange one, as someone who identifies as a seeker, to realize that there really isn't anything to get or grasp about anything. realizing that was a bit of a weight off the shoulders, though, for sure!
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    05-10-2021, 11:19 AM
    I find a little bit of comfort in knowing that I am already complete, but the Illusion is not dispelled by this knowing. I guess this knowing needs to be anchored much deeper in the tree of mind for it to dispel the Illusion.
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    05-10-2021, 11:24 AM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 11:25 AM by Ymarsakar.)
    (05-10-2021, 10:52 AM)sillypumpkins Wrote: as I was making breakfast this morning i was reflecting on a moment i experienced last year wherein i began to see very clearly that there was nothing to "get", that i was (and am) already complete, and that i am exactly where i need to be.

    it is a strange one, as someone who identifies as a seeker, to realize that there really isn't anything to get or grasp about anything. realizing that was a bit of a weight off the shoulders, though, for sure!

    People are at different stages.

    A person mothered 8 children should not be seeking the experience of someone who did not, as those are different incarnations and timelines.

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    05-10-2021, 11:27 AM
    (05-10-2021, 10:52 AM)sillypumpkins Wrote: as I was making breakfast this morning i was reflecting on a moment i experienced last year wherein i began to see very clearly that there was nothing to "get", that i was (and am) already complete, and that i am exactly where i need to be.

    it is a strange one, as someone who identifies as a seeker, to realize that there really isn't anything to get or grasp about anything. realizing that was a bit of a weight off the shoulders, though, for sure!

    As the Buddha said. When you search for it, you will never find it. The further you travel, the further away you are travelling from it. The man searched all over the world to find Enlightenment, and he found it when he returned home. It is the metaphor, that when you stop looking, you will find it. I think the basic thinking is, accept everything, AS IT IS. Everything is complete. There is nothing to be found, because nothing is lost. You cannot find what isn't missing. It is our, (supposed), separation from the Godhead, (illusion), that we think something is missing.
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    05-10-2021, 12:05 PM
    The Creation is still in a sense like a Japanese rock garden where there's always something out of your sight. So the knowing of oneself is infinite.
    If we're "complete" in space/time I suppose it would be natural to manifest purest love for our fellow humans which is a challenge even in the spiritually oriented community.
    Is the veil fully lifted? Can the conscious mind see probability vortexes in the time/space? Does the conscious mind have access to every experience on the Earth plane? Is the travel by thought avalabe yet? For some entities the answer may be yes.
    It's like performing on the highest level in sport overnight. You're likely to advance through practice to achieve that. So we becoming more of what we're looking for. Understanding that one is the Creator is a great step on a long journey to the One Who is All.
    Life has always something to surprise with. There are relatively hard thoughts, hard choices to test our understanding. Are there mistakes? No. But we have to deal with the consequences of our free will.
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    05-10-2021, 12:27 PM
    (05-10-2021, 12:05 PM)Doomchief Wrote: The Creation is still in a sense like a Japanese rock garden where there's always something out of your sight. So the knowing of oneself is infinite.
    If we're "complete" in space/time I suppose it would be natural to manifest purest love for our fellow humans which is a challenge even in the spiritually oriented community.
    Is the veil fully lifted? Can the conscious mind see probability vortexes in the time/space? Does the conscious mind have access to every experience on the Earth plane? Is the travel by thought avalabe yet? For some entities the answer may be yes.
    It's like performing on the highest level in sport overnight. You're likely to advance through practice to achieve that. So we becoming more of what we're looking for. Understanding that one is the Creator is a great step on a long journey to the One Who is All.
    Life has always something to surprise with. There are relatively hard thoughts, hard choices to test our understanding. Are there mistakes? No. But we have to deal with the consequences of our free will.

    Then the question arises? If we are the manifestation of our own Reality, and we can change our Reality, (at will). In theory, if all "Lightworkers" worked on that level of thinking, collectively creating the "Brave New World"? There are other theories circulating on YouTube that we manifest our illusionary life. We are what we think, and our "Reality" reflects our thoughts. For example. For months I have ignored news on all TV channels and the Internet. I know nothing about the outside world. Last week on YouTube a topic arose about "Chemtrails". What Chemtrails, I have seen none for years, (or at least within my Reality). Are other people still experiencing Chemtrails in their Realities, while in my Reality, I am not. Have I completely removed Chemtrails from my Reality? The same applies to the pandemic. As far as I am concerned, the pandemic does not exist. That is a delusion purported by other people.The point is, live in the moment AS IT IS. It is complete.

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    05-10-2021, 12:35 PM
    (05-10-2021, 12:27 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: [The point is, live in the moment AS IT IS. It is complete.

    Smile Heart
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    05-10-2021, 01:10 PM
    Ah non-duality, my old friend.
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    05-10-2021, 01:44 PM
    (05-10-2021, 12:27 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Then the question arises? If we are the manifestation of our own Reality, and we can change our Reality, (at will). In theory, if all "Lightworkers" worked on that level of thinking, collectively creating the "Brave New World"? There are other theories circulating on YouTube that we manifest our illusionary life. We are what we think, and our "Reality" reflects our thoughts. For example. For months I have ignored news on all TV channels and the Internet. I know nothing about the outside world. Last week on YouTube a topic arose about "Chemtrails". What Chemtrails, I have seen none for years, (or at least within my Reality). Are other people still experiencing Chemtrails in their Realities, while in my Reality, I am not. Have I completely removed Chemtrails from my Reality? The same applies to the pandemic. As far as I am concerned, the pandemic does not exist. That is a delusion purported by other people.The point is, live in the moment AS IT IS. It is complete.
    I think personal "reality" is like a bubble. Of thoughts, opinions, biases. And I'd like to withhold judgement of the relative quality of thoughts that occupy fellow humans now. Because the bubble can be popped from the inside. And each incarnation has opportunities for such an action carefully placed.
    Once this is done the greater picture may be observed in which every moment contains everything that there is. The Infinite Love that has no boundaries. From this present moment we may manifest any experience.
    If viewed for this position the consensus "reality" of planet Earth may change any moment. The possibility is ever present. The requirement, in my eyes, is raising the awareness of the Creation without the infringement upon the free will.
    Being the example of such a change is a choice to make.
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    05-10-2021, 02:05 PM
    (05-10-2021, 01:44 PM)Doomchief Wrote:
    (05-10-2021, 12:27 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Then the question arises? If we are the manifestation of our own Reality, and we can change our Reality, (at will). In theory, if all "Lightworkers" worked on that level of thinking, collectively creating the "Brave New World"? There are other theories circulating on YouTube that we manifest our illusionary life. We are what we think, and our "Reality" reflects our thoughts. For example. For months I have ignored news on all TV channels and the Internet. I know nothing about the outside world. Last week on YouTube a topic arose about "Chemtrails". What Chemtrails, I have seen none for years, (or at least within my Reality). Are other people still experiencing Chemtrails in their Realities, while in my Reality, I am not. Have I completely removed Chemtrails from my Reality? The same applies to the pandemic. As far as I am concerned, the pandemic does not exist. That is a delusion purported by other people.The point is, live in the moment AS IT IS. It is complete.
    I think personal "reality" is like a bubble. Of thoughts, opinions, biases. And I'd like to withhold judgement of the relative quality of thoughts that occupy fellow humans now. Because the bubble can be popped from the inside. And each incarnation has opportunities for such an action carefully placed.
    Once this is done the greater picture may be observed in which every moment contains everything that there is. The Infinite Love that has no boundaries. From this present moment we may manifest any experience.
    If viewed for this position the consensus "reality" of planet Earth may change any moment. The possibility is ever present. The requirement, in my eyes, is raising the awareness of the Creation without the infringement upon the free will.
    Being the example of such a change is a choice to make.

    We are our own Reality, without the "I AM". Even the I AM does not exist, it is only an illusion. I like your concept of the "Bubble". That ht the nail on the, (proverbial), head. Now, (and not now), are the same thing. Welcome to my dream(state). Everything is always the same.

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    05-10-2021, 02:30 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 02:34 PM by Doomchief.)
    I'm not exactly sure that I AM is just an illusion. I feel the illusion is within the spirit and not the other way. So there's a sacred aspect to the nature of ones being.
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    05-10-2021, 03:22 PM
    (05-10-2021, 02:30 PM)Doomchief Wrote: I'm not exactly sure that I AM is just an illusion. I feel the illusion is within the spirit and not the other way. So there's a sacred aspect to the nature of ones being.

    Perhaps we are all observing wrongly? If, according to Hindu and Buddhist Tradition, "We" are a natural part of the "Universal Consciousness". Then when we lose the "I AM", have we not already reunited with Universal Consciousness. My only complaint with Jim Newman, he is only observing on an Intellectual level, and so his thesis is incomplete. If he was also observing on Intuitive Mind, (and the Higher State), could he be misunderstanding something? If in the State of "No Mind", and the "I AM" is consumed by Universal Consciousness, it changes everything. Then the I AM does not exist.
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    05-10-2021, 03:29 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 03:30 PM by flofrog.)
    Lol Ming,in a way it’s the paradox of speaking about the “No Mind” in our 3D language Wink
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    05-10-2021, 04:35 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 04:39 PM by Ming the Merciful.)
    (05-10-2021, 03:29 PM)flofrog Wrote: Lol Ming,in a way it’s the paradox of speaking about the “No Mind” in our 3D language Wink

    Why does everything end in a Paradox? Perhaps the Paradox is the answer? Like standing on the edge of a Black Hole and never plunging into the Event Horizon, because Time-Space do not exist, (as we know it)? Or, is the true Spiritual Self, (the Absolute), is something so unknowable and incomprehensible that it will always remain the Ultimate Mystery? All-Pervasive and a part of everything, (yet), also untouched and unseen, and elusive. It is like the instance where you are so close to the Truth, you can almost taste it. Then at that nanosecond it returns back into the VOID, until it is rediscovered the next time.
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    05-10-2021, 04:42 PM
    Ming, I think the Ultimate Mystery is my blissful surge...
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    05-10-2021, 05:11 PM
    (05-10-2021, 04:42 PM)flofrog Wrote: Ming, I think the Ultimate Mystery is my blissful surge...

    The "Ultimate Bliss". Have you ever been in Still Mind Meditation, (and the total letting go), and you enter Bliss? There is a point where nothing exists, (within itself), and you are AT-ONE with everything and nothing? That is also the loss of the I AM, because your "Self" becomes unimportant, as you have entered Universal Consciousness.
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    05-10-2021, 05:16 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 05:23 PM by jafar.)
    Yes there is nothing to find, nothing incomplete and nothing missing.
    But there are so much to experience.

    The similitude is (again) like playing games.
    There is actually nothing to find, nothing incomplete and nothing missing in the game.
    What will one missed if he/she didn't play COD games? Nothing..

    But there are so much to experience in the game.
    The seeking, the completion of mission, the progression of the game are created as something to be experienced in the game by the player. But the game itself is already complete, nothing is unknown.

    Knowing and experiencing are totally 2 different things.

    A male gynecologist might know everything about pregnancy and giving birth, but he never experienced it himself.
    Well at least in his lifetime, thanks to the veil of forgetting.
    Even the 'veil of forgetting' is being created to make the experience more immersive.
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    05-10-2021, 05:51 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 05:51 PM by flofrog.)
    (05-10-2021, 05:11 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The "Ultimate Bliss". Have you ever been in Still Mind Meditation, (and the total letting go), and you enter Bliss? There is a point where nothing exists, (within itself), and you are AT-ONE with everything and nothing? That is also the loss of the I AM, because your "Self" becomes unimportant, as you have entered Universal Consciousness.

    Ming I had a strange experience about ten years ago. Sorry if anyone already read this, as I think I posted it at least once...

    So I was driving on a nearly empty freeway it was a beautiful sunny day and I was like sending love to the palm trees along the freeway as there was a breeze. At one moment, because there was no traffic on the freeway I was on and four lanes so a wide one, I turned around because I knew that behind me I could see downtown framed by two small hills in the foreground.
    Not only could I see downtown profiled, but way beyond downtown, way beyond, quite clear I could see all the way to the ocean in the way back background and it was like scintillating.
    As I turned back around I suddenly found myself at one with everything, the lamp post, the palm tree trunk, the iron boarder of the freeway, the black tar stain on the white cement of the freeway. I remember bursting out of laughter and feeling, 'it's all so simple and we make it so complex" that feeling of like walking on clouds, bliss, stayed with me for something like for four days and then it slowly vanished. So it was not while meditating, just driving, lol of all things, but I can feel again this huge laughter I had, that feeling of incredible lightness, of something so simple not even described with words. lol I remember thinking if I can see that, anyone can.
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    05-10-2021, 06:07 PM
    (05-10-2021, 05:16 PM)jafar Wrote: Yes there is nothing to find, nothing incomplete and nothing missing.
    But there are so much to experience.

    The similitude is (again) like playing games.
    There is actually nothing to find, nothing incomplete and nothing missing in the game.
    What will one missed if he/she didn't play COD games? Nothing..

    But there are so much to experience in the game.
    The seeking, the completion of mission, the progression of the game are created as something to be experienced in the game by the player. But the game itself is already complete, nothing is unknown.

    Knowing and experiencing are totally 2 different things.

    A male gynecologist might know everything about pregnancy and giving birth, but he never experienced it himself.
    Well at least in his lifetime, thanks to the veil of forgetting.
    Even the 'veil of forgetting' is being created to make the experience more immersive.

    The truth is, the game is rigged. The Unknowable always wins. Keeping us in the dark. I just discovered another personage by the name of Tony Parsons, and he is more down to earth than Jim. Moments ago i downloaded his PDF Never look at a free PDF on a byte level, (very deceiving). The gynecologist is a good example, but we don't even have to go that deep. The mystery of the Genders is enough. It is like the Quantum Computer. Ever question answered and not answered simultaneously. Perhaps we have been deceived by Quantum Physics, and that is where the answer lies? Is Quantum Physics the new "Pandora's Box", that we accidentally opened and we cannot close the lid? Yes, it is true, the "Veil" remains the biggest mystery? Life is a mystery? Everything is a mystery? I am a mystery? I have circled the Sun too many times and never discovered why I am here? On the other hand, the thing I call "I" has circled the Sun too many times, and only to discover it did not exist, (within itself). I am an illusion of "Self".
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    05-10-2021, 06:31 PM
    A moment of inspiration? In answer to thread number seven, (and Chemtrails)? At this point I am wondering that, (if), at the Self-Realization of Non-Duality, is that the point where we change our Reality? Earlier, I mentioned that other people are still seeing Chemtrails, (whereas I am not). Within my Reality, Chemtrails no longer exist, but perhaps for other people they still do. You are welcome to my Reality if you are still being harassed by Chemtrails. The same thing applies with the pandemic. What pandemic? I see no pandemic. Change your Reality and control what is happening.
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    05-10-2021, 07:47 PM
    As long as we are amusing ourselves with the illusion, we are not going to dispel it.

    Ra 1.7 Wrote:...the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things...

    Since it is not in any case necessary, we are making the choice of playing the seeking game. I would say we play that game all the way up to the next octave by choice.

    So then any entity if it really wished could just go there directly. Which means that at a very deep level in the tree of mind we really really want to play this game to the end.

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    05-10-2021, 08:38 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2021, 08:41 PM by Louisabell.)
    (05-10-2021, 05:51 PM)flofrog Wrote:
    (05-10-2021, 05:11 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The "Ultimate Bliss". Have you ever been in Still Mind Meditation, (and the total letting go), and you enter Bliss? There is a point where nothing exists, (within itself), and you are AT-ONE with everything and nothing? That is also the loss of the I AM, because your "Self" becomes unimportant, as you have entered Universal Consciousness.

    Ming I had a strange experience about ten years ago. Sorry if anyone already read this, as I think I posted it at least once...

    So I was driving on a nearly empty freeway it was a beautiful sunny day and I was like sending love to the palm trees along the freeway as there was a breeze. At one moment, because there was no traffic on the freeway I was on and four lanes so a wide one, I turned around because I knew that behind me I could see downtown framed by two small hills in the foreground.
    Not only could I see downtown profiled, but way beyond downtown, way beyond,  quite clear I could see all the way to the ocean in the way back background and it was like scintillating.
    As I turned  back  around I suddenly found myself at one with everything, the lamp post, the palm tree trunk, the iron boarder of the freeway,  the black tar stain on the white cement of the freeway. I remember bursting out of laughter and feeling, 'it's all so simple and we make it so complex"  that feeling of like walking on clouds,  bliss,  stayed with me for something like for four days and then it slowly vanished. So it was not while meditating,  just driving, lol of all things,  but I can feel again this huge laughter I had, that feeling of incredible lightness, of something so simple not even described with words.  lol  I remember thinking if I can see that, anyone can.

    That's just great Flo. I am right there with you.

    Sometimes I get to just sit and listen, hearing the soft birdsong and murmurings in the background, and oh the quiet peace found when one just takes a moment to be. And I feel like paradise is already here, and that it calls with love and with such warmth and welcome. And I feel that it's so close, and with just a slight change of view, a small angle correction, that bliss is ours and with that a place of home. A place with light of such purity that our own perfection is reflected back at us effortlessly and without even trying. And yes, like you, it seems almost silly not to have seen it all along. So preoccupied we are.

    But I'm sure what I've written above seems really silly as well, haha
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    05-10-2021, 09:11 PM
    https://chopra.com/articles/the-3-levels-of-samadhi

    Samadhi, as described by the ancients.
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    05-10-2021, 09:35 PM
    (05-10-2021, 09:28 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Over recent days I have been led, (by the Void), to unchartered territory. The concept of Non-Duality. The Pinnacle on the top of the Pyramid and opening of new doors. The basic concept of Non-Duality, is there is no need to be a "Seeker", in search of the Ultimate Truth. The Ultimate truth lies within, and there is nothing to find, or search for.  Everything is complete and nothing is lost. There is nothing to be found, because nothing is missing. The outside world is an illusion and we are complete. For further information I recommend downloading the free PDF, (below). On YouTube I have discovered other like-minded people.

    There is nothing new about those concepts.
    Ra Wrote:One of the primal distortions of the Law of One is that of healing. Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One. The healer acts as energizer or catalyst for this completely individual process.

    Ra Wrote:The seeker seeks the One. This One is to be sought, as we have said, by the balanced and self-accepting self, aware both of its apparent distortions and its total perfection. Resting in this balanced awareness, the entity then opens the self to the universe which it is. The light energy of all things may then be attracted by this intense seeking, and wherever the inner seeking meets the attracted cosmic prana, realization of the One takes place.

    L/L Research Are You a Wanderer Wrote:“Each of you, each of us within this group, each of those infinite sparks of the Logos, rest in unfathomable perfection drenched in a unity so profound that there is none to behold the light, but only the light. And this is your star being. This is your nature. Each of you has at the heart that fire of suns, that spark of creatorness that contains all that there is. And so, in a very important way, each of you is, beyond all changes, yourself. The you that was created before time and space, the only you that was ever you, the only you that will ever be you, you are unique. And truly are you precious and beloved to the Creator who values every distortion and seeming imperfection that has dented and banged you in the fire of learning and made you who you are. For you vibrate with a certain chord that cannot be duplicated, that is essentially you, that is most beautiful.”

    Quote:Questioner: Is the duality of positive and negative another illusion?

    I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. And we would suggest that all is illusion, except the unity of the one Creator. All creation, all things, all other seeming entities are an illusion or distortion or portion of the one Creator which must be distorted until there is the complete realization and reunification with the one Creator.
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    05-11-2021, 01:25 PM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2021, 01:51 PM by Stranger.)
    (05-10-2021, 09:28 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Over recent days I have been led, (by the Void), to unchartered territory. The concept of Non-Duality. The Pinnacle on the top of the Pyramid and opening of new doors. The basic concept of Non-Duality, is there is no need to be a "Seeker", in search of the Ultimate Truth. The Ultimate truth lies within, and there is nothing to find, or search for.  Everything is complete and nothing is lost. There is nothing to be found, because nothing is missing. The outside world is an illusion and we are complete. 
    Ming, that is a very accurate description of one side of the coin. 

    The other side is this. In addition to the unity and perfection of all that is, there is a game the Creator adores, and finds to be the only activity worth doing: making shapes, animating them with its own consciousness, and seeing what they do.

    The Creator made the Father, Logos.  The Father, although knowing full well that He is the One and Perfect, wanted to experience and explore the process of "spiritual evolution", and invested an extraordinary amount of work into creating the corresponding "game board" for him to play through, in disguise as each and every one of us.

    So what we have is the Perfect Consciousness of the Creator taking on a Personality - think of it as a video game character defined by all kinds of attributes, ultimately adding up to some degree of "balanced" or "unbalanced."

    Therefore, although all is indeed perfect and complete, at the same time there is a lot of work to do in evolving or balancing your character - a process that takes eons and involves all kinds of intense and fascinating detours and side-quests. 

    Neither side of the coin negates the other.  They are complementary and both valid and important.
    I am concerned that when people say "everything is already perfect" they may conclude that nothing needs to be done.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  The game of Creation is *the* principal activity of the Creator, into which the Creator has poured its infinite being.  It is what matters to the Creator. 

    And since the Creator is *your* true identity - who you actually are - it is what matters to You.

    The goal therefore is not to escape or avoid the game.  When people want to escape the game, what they really want is to escape the suffering.  And you do that by balancing the character that You had so lovingly and painstakingly created.
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    05-11-2021, 01:28 PM
    (05-11-2021, 01:25 PM)Stranger Wrote: The goal therefore is not to escape or avoid the game.  When people want to escape the game, what they really want is to escape the suffering.  And you do that by balancing the character that You had so lovingly and painstakingly created.

    exactly. Heart
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    05-11-2021, 02:21 PM
    (05-11-2021, 01:25 PM)Stranger Wrote:
    (05-10-2021, 09:28 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Over recent days I have been led, (by the Void), to unchartered territory. The concept of Non-Duality. The Pinnacle on the top of the Pyramid and opening of new doors. The basic concept of Non-Duality, is there is no need to be a "Seeker", in search of the Ultimate Truth. The Ultimate truth lies within, and there is nothing to find, or search for.  Everything is complete and nothing is lost. There is nothing to be found, because nothing is missing. The outside world is an illusion and we are complete. 
    Ming, that is a very accurate description of one side of the coin. 

    The other side is this. In addition to the unity and perfection of all that is, there is a game the Creator adores, and finds to be the only activity worth doing: making shapes, animating them with its own consciousness, and seeing what they do.

    The Creator made the Father, Logos.  The Father, although knowing full well that He is the One and Perfect, wanted to experience and explore the process of "spiritual evolution", and invested an extraordinary amount of work into creating the corresponding "game board" for him to play through, in disguise as each and every one of us.

    So what we have is the Perfect Consciousness of the Creator taking on a Personality - think of it as a video game character defined by all kinds of attributes, ultimately adding up to some degree of "balanced" or "unbalanced."

    Therefore, although all is indeed perfect and complete, at the same time there is a lot of work to do in evolving or balancing your character - a process that takes eons and involves all kinds of intense and fascinating detours and side-quests. 

    Neither side of the coin negates the other.  They are complementary and both valid and important.
    I am concerned that when people say "everything is already perfect" they may conclude that nothing needs to be done.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  The game of Creation is *the* principal activity of the Creator, into which the Creator has poured its infinite being.  It is what matters to the Creator. 

    And since the Creator is *your* true identity - who you actually are - it is what matters to You.

    The goal therefore is not to escape or avoid the game.  When people want to escape the game, what they really want is to escape the suffering.  And you do that by balancing the character that You had so lovingly and painstakingly created.

    Stranger? I see where you are coming from? If we look realistically, the Universe, (in its present state), it is far from perfect. At any moment the Earth could be bombarded by countless meteors from deep space, the Earth itself is also unstable, because if any of the super-volcanoes erupted, it would wipe-out all life on Earth. The God(s), are practical jokers. The God(s) are also full of mysteries? They want to keep their Spirituality a mystery, and keep Humanity hidden behind a veil of mysticism and magic. When we observe Spirituality, (my argument all along), We must observe it from the Intellectual and Intuitive Mind. They are the two sides of the same coin. Using one without the other gives a false impression of Reality. As I see it, Non-Duality is the closest I have ever come to the "Actual Truth". Except it should be observed from both States of Mind. Such philosophy reflects Zen in the fact, that in Zen, the Ultimate Zen is to destroy itself. The Zen of no Zen. Moving into the Non-Duality construct is the act of destroying all emotional and conceptual attachment to the State of Existing. I, (the concept of I), exists and does not exist in the same moment. The God(s) are laughing at us, (behind our backs), and mocking Humanity for its ignorance. How could something so simple be so difficult to understand? That is part of their game. Where do we define identity? We have no identity in dreamless sleep. Perhaps in that State, that is the true nature of "Self", in that it is, (already), merging with Universal Consciousness. That is also another subject?

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    05-11-2021, 02:32 PM
    Ming, the "gods" created by our imaginations might be laughing and mocking us, but the actual God knows that we are a part of him and we are him, and therefore loves us unconditionally and without reservation, and delights in us as we delight in the play of our own children. God is patient with us in our fumbling explorations, knowing - through his own experience as us - that the world we're in is very challenging. Instead of mocking our ignorance, he admires our courage as demonstrated by our willingness to descend into ignorance, again and again, like into a mine, to return with spiritual treasures.

    Love, curiosity, excitement about the infinite adventure of Creation are what the Creator feels, what accompanies the process of creation.
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