08-17-2021, 09:40 AM
(08-16-2021, 11:20 PM)Anders Wrote: @Ming the Merciful There can as I see it only be one creation, and we are it, so yes we and the veil are one. But I think creation in the sense of change is impossible. Because that would mean that reality would change. And something that changes turns from one state to another. The Creator is one so there can only be one state. That's why Brahman is changeless. Or as it says in the Bible:
Quote:"I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed." - Malachi 3:6
Reality is one Logos which is the Word [John 1] and a word doesn't change. And Christ is the Word made manifest. And Christ and the Father are one. This I see as nonduality.
As an analogy take a YouTube video as representing all of reality. The Father in this analogy represents the changeless string of digital information representing the video and Christ (the only begotten Son) represents the video being played. That's why Jesus said that by himself he does nothing and only does what the Father says. In the actual reality the "video" is a platonic form, it just timelessly is, and this is the one creation.
Anders I can easily accept your quote from the Bible. It correlates with quotes from the Bhagavad-Gita, where Krishna tells Arjuna that he is the "Creator and Destroyer of Worlds and is Eternal". As much as I accept the Bible, Koran, Bhagavad-Gita, Upanishads, Mahabharata and other Treatises of Wisdom. In the final result we must see them as only guidelines, (not Absolutes within themselves). The "Ultimate Knowledge", (hidden behind the Veil), is at a deepness and anything beyond our imagination and comprehension. By accepting the point, and crossing Realities the "Ultimate Wisdom" exists in the Nothingness. Once we discover the Nothingness, (without concept), then we are seeing and observing another level of Spiritual Awareness. When we accept that we cannot comprehend the Ultimate, and accept it AS IT IS. Then comes understanding without the need to understand. It is unimportant if we cannot comprehend on the Intellectual level because Spirituality is not Intellectual. As I have mentioned in other Threads. Until our observation is observed from Intuitive Knowledge, our understanding will always be limited.