STS Lies
06-04-2011, 10:08 PM,
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(06-04-2011, 09:40 PM)Confused Wrote:  May be I am actually STS at my core.

Even at harvestable levels, we can be 49%. So, most definitely, it is in us.
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06-04-2011, 10:49 PM,
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(06-04-2011, 10:08 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Even at harvestable levels, we can be 49%. So, most definitely, it is in us.

Yes, 3, the meditation on the percentages have a whole story to tell of their own.

May be even the ONE is STS at many levels. Is it (us) not the Grand Radiating Central Sun (light) of infinite worlds and simultaneously the absorber of infinite worlds into its Black Hole (darkness)? All is ONE. All is ALL.

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06-05-2011, 03:04 AM,
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(06-04-2011, 09:40 PM)Confused Wrote:  
(06-04-2011, 09:35 PM)kycahi Wrote:  A little word game. My definitions of the rays and levels is that 3rd is where entities have become aware of others as much as themselves.

Technically, I think that is actually a characteristic of the 4th density. Ra said the following in 19.10 --

Quote:There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness.

That is why it is the level of making the CHOICE. The choice of appreciating the same ONE self in others, or denying it.
My humble opinion, of course.

Yes, this does look confusing. I interpreted it this way: In order to qualify for 3D, you must already have "mastered" 2D, awareness of self.

Now in 3D, as you refine your awareness of others, you reach the decision point, or the Choice. We know, thanks to the Ra material, that 3Ders make the Choice before Harvest to 4D, so it's easy to think that making the Choice is a big, big deal. Well it is, but there are no trumpets or drums marking the occasion. You just, upon some reflection, decide that with so much awareness of others and all things being equal, you want to be of service to them, "At least when it won't cost me anything." Wink

OR, you have all that awareness of others and decide that, heck, they are sheep waiting to be fleeced and I might as well be the one who does the fleecing.

Neither of those, at the time of first choosing, is a big life changer. That first STO choice is a kind of "me first but then share if I have extra" thing. Likewise, the STS one is, "I'll mind my own life primarily, but if some other person looks like easy pickings I'll seize the advantage." If the first choice works well, the entity continues and hardens that style. If it seems like a losing proposition, the entity will decide the other path and see how that works out. Such waffling might last years and even lifetimes, I'm guessing.

Please note that I came up with these interpretations just to keep the information straight, and I'm not trying to persuade others. I was all by myself when I read those LOO books, and my mind was not strong enough to keep the details clear until I organized them with highlighters and notes. Ra didn't deliver the information in textbook form, so the bits and pieces were not in ideal order for me in the beginning. I like the style now because it delivers the information in pleasant and surprising ways.
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06-05-2011, 05:33 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 09:54 AM by pphuck.)
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To be harvestable in the different densities, an entity has to:

1D : Become Aware-of-Self (Mind/Body)
2D : Become Conscious-of-Self (Mind/Body/Spirit)
3D : Make a Choice between STS and STO
4D : Tune Understanding of STS or STO Choice
5D : Balance Compassion and Wisdom
6D : Drop the STS/STO Separation and gain Unity

If I understand Ra correctly, an STO entity in 4D can keep immersing itself in overabundant Compassion as long as it attains a deeper Understanding of the Compassion itself -- it's not until 5D that STO has to Balance this Compassion with Wisdom (and STS has to Balance Wisdom with Compassion.)

There is of course more to becoming harvestable than the above (like Mind/Body/Spirit Complexes and such) but without the above you're not going anywhere. What I'm trying to point out is that it isn't until somewhere in 5D, in general, that an entity will stop making "mistakes" based on an incomplete Understanding of the "other Path." And, actually, if I remember Ra correctly, none of these harvests demands a 100% achievement, so there is always room for mistakes to happen.

And then there's always the 8D (or "next Octave") perspective on top of this. I wouldn't be too surprised if the 8D entities that come visit us has to help some 6D entities get unstuck from different kinds of feedback loops and illusions that you might entangle yourself in over time. It might even be feasible that some pre-Choice 8D entities would view the Choice and STS/STO polarity as a kind of "mistake" as well. There's a lot of pain and suffering added just to speed something up, when there's an eternity to play around with.

(06-04-2011, 09:40 PM)Confused Wrote:  May be I am actually STS at my core.

Anyone going from 1D through 2D to 3D comes into 3D as STS in a sense. The STS/STO definitions doesn't really make a lot of sense until 3D, but you can for sure not become STO until you become aware of "Other-Selves" and the possibility to care more for Other than Self.

(06-04-2011, 10:49 PM)Confused Wrote:  May be even the ONE is STS at many levels.

Looking at it from a 3-5D perspective, that might make some sense -- but to get through 6D you have to drop this polarity and realize that STO/STS was an illusion all along.
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06-05-2011, 11:02 AM,
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Very well considered, pp. Our differences are so minor that more discussion would resemble too many other threads around here. Tongue

I like your idea about next-octave beings' takes on ours. All the polarity does scatter energy among those not well-prepared. Even Wanderers from higher densities aren't immune, as witnessed by so many testimonies here in b4th.

Ra said that octaves are nested and nested and nested, so maybe our uber octave is in level 3 (3O?), needing more wisdom. Confused As much as we would want things comfortable and stable, and that includes me, we can take heart that nothing is constant in the universe. Rolleyes I hope it's improving, whatever that means. Huh
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06-05-2011, 11:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 11:26 AM by pphuck.)
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(06-05-2011, 11:02 AM)kycahi Wrote:  All the polarity does scatter energy among those not well-prepared. Even Wanderers from higher densities aren't immune, as witnessed by so many testimonies here in b4th.

I get the feeling that most, but not all, around here believe that STO is good/right and STS is bad/evil (but needed.) The more I consider this matter of polarity, I'm starting to think that STS is right and STO is wrong. I mean, there is no "Other", there is only Self -- we're all the same, the separation is an illusion... THE illusion.

One might say that STS doesn't get that S stands for the larger Self, rather than the personal ego Self, but that wouldn't be true for all STS entities and the closer you get to 6 and 7D the less it's true for any STS.

The only way I can wrap my head around this paradox is to say that it is the separation and illusion itself that is "bad"... not the STS or STO paths on their own.

Any input on this subject would be highly appreciated. I don't count myself as STO nor do I count myself as STS -- make of that whatever you want.
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06-05-2011, 11:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 12:04 PM by kycahi.)
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(06-04-2011, 09:40 PM)Confused Wrote:  Wow!! just read that. That is powerful and powerful and powerful. Thanks. Is that why I resent unconditional love??!!

May be I am actually STS at my core.

Maybe, Confused, but I don't think so. Heart If you really are a stealth STS, it's an example of how we aren't so different after all.

I love you unconditionally, and if you resent it I'll smack you around until you stop. (This is a take on the cartoon sign on a pirate ship that says "Floggings will continue until morale improves!")

Seriously though, I wonder about the resentment. Did you post about it somewhere? Maybe you are an STS wanderer who wants to hold onto that path but got caught up in this foul and disturbing STO environment. Sad Angel
(06-05-2011, 11:21 AM)pphuck Wrote:  The only way I can wrap my head around this paradox is to say that it is the separation and illusion itself that is "bad"... not the STS or STO paths on their own.

Any input on this subject would be highly appreciated. I don't count myself as STO nor do I count myself as STS -- make of that whatever you want.

I don't have a knee-jerk argument to this, pp, and wouldn't do that anyway. Angel

However as I extend your STS scheme in my mind, I see warrior groups battling to achieve dominance. Our planet had examples of that, such as feudal Japan and medieval Europe. Maybe we have what we do now as a pendulum swing.

Not counting yourself as STS nor STO means that you hold yourself above the rest of us, you arrogant bastard. Tongue

More seriously, I consider myself in STO, but have tried to influence the b4th community against thinking that any bad behavior indicates STS and that any STSers are inherently evil. They fell into their Choice after weighing their talents and circumstances, and otherwise mostly were/are not much different than most of us STO types.
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06-05-2011, 12:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-06-2011, 12:36 PM by vbaba.)
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(04-29-2011, 05:11 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:  This thread is born from the idea I've perceived from some forum members that STS entities will only communicate lies and deceit. I feel Ra's words suggest more depth within STS communication.

Quote:12.13 Questioner: You mentioned that the Orion crusaders, when they get through the net, give both technical and non-technical information. I think I know what you mean by technical information, but what type of non-technical information do they give? And am I right in assuming that this is done by telepathic contact?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Through telepathy the philosophy of the Law of One with the distortion of service to self is promulgated. In advanced groups there are rituals and exercises given and these have been written down just as the service-to-others oriented entities have written down the promulgated philosophy of their teachers. The philosophy concerns the service of manipulating others that they may experience service towards the other self, thus through this experience becoming able to appreciate service to self. These entities would become oriented towards service to self and in turn manipulate yet others so that they in turn might experience the service towards the other self.

Firstly, I'd like to pose the question of how any of this technical information can be useful or legitimate if it is not honestly presented in an understandable manner?


Quote:12.14 Questioner: Would this be the origin of what we call black magic?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in one sense, incorrect in another. The Orion group has aided the so-called negatively oriented among your mind/body/spirit complexes. These same entities would be concerning themselves with service to self in any case and there are many upon your so-called inner planes which are negatively oriented and thus available as inner teachers or guides and so-called possessors of certain souls who seek this distortion of service to self.

Why would any STS entity even seek out teachers or guides if these STS teachers and guides only lie?


Quote:12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in an alternating way, first one, then the other, and then back to the first again?
Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented toward service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

Here Ra points out a specific example of when a STS entity will lie and when it will not. A STS entity will lie to an untuned STO channel (in an effort to neutralize the message), but does "not find it necessary to lie" to an STS channel.


Within this thread I'm requesting we refrain from discussing specific STS channeled transcripts and focus mainly on:
-The nature of STS deceit, lies, and communication.
-The nature of pure STS channeling (STS channeler channeling STS entity)

Why does an STS entity transmit truth to an STS channel? Where is the service to self within this act? Does a self-serving action innately carry dishonesty and manipulation?

3rd Density being the cycle used for our souls to Polarized either Positive, Service to Others or Negative, Service to Self, relationships and interactions with other selves is the learning ground of 3rd Density. Being that most of the earth's population is largely the Young Soul and not Polarized, we have personalities representing their soul which need to experience both Negative and Positive experiences - a balancing of incarnations so that there is enough Positive and Negative experiences accumulated for the Soul to decide which Polarity they find more comfortable.

One challenge in 3rd Density is the development of wisdom to know the difference between Polarities. Discovering when we are being lied to, when we are being told the truth, when we are being manipulated or controlled, are situations that tests one's abilities. It is through trial and error we evolve. We are here to learn and the lessons are not always easy. A working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance to graduating out of 3rd Density!
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06-05-2011, 12:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 12:30 PM by pphuck.)
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(06-05-2011, 11:22 AM)kycahi Wrote:  Not counting yourself as STS nor STO means that you hold yourself above the rest of us, you arrogant bastard.

Not so much above as aside from. I wouldn't think 4D is "above" 3D either, anyone stating so would be on the STS path according to my belief.

If I remember Ra correctly, it's not essential to go from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 to 7D in a sequence. It's just the "usual way to go" for most entities.
(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)vbaba Wrote:  The challenge in 3rd Density is the development of wisdom to know the difference between Polarities.

Hmm, I don't remember Ra stating that you need to know / understand the difference between the two polarities, just that you need to get polarized enough for an eventual 4D harvest. Care to quote?
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06-05-2011, 12:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-06-2011, 12:39 PM by vbaba.)
RE: STS Lies
(04-29-2011, 05:11 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:  This thread is born from the idea I've perceived from some forum members that STS entities will only communicate lies and deceit. I feel Ra's words suggest more depth within STS communication.

Quote:12.13 Questioner: You mentioned that the Orion crusaders, when they get through the net, give both technical and non-technical information. I think I know what you mean by technical information, but what type of non-technical information do they give? And am I right in assuming that this is done by telepathic contact?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Through telepathy the philosophy of the Law of One with the distortion of service to self is promulgated. In advanced groups there are rituals and exercises given and these have been written down just as the service-to-others oriented entities have written down the promulgated philosophy of their teachers. The philosophy concerns the service of manipulating others that they may experience service towards the other self, thus through this experience becoming able to appreciate service to self. These entities would become oriented towards service to self and in turn manipulate yet others so that they in turn might experience the service towards the other self.

Firstly, I'd like to pose the question of how any of this technical information can be useful or legitimate if it is not honestly presented in an understandable manner?


Quote:12.14 Questioner: Would this be the origin of what we call black magic?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in one sense, incorrect in another. The Orion group has aided the so-called negatively oriented among your mind/body/spirit complexes. These same entities would be concerning themselves with service to self in any case and there are many upon your so-called inner planes which are negatively oriented and thus available as inner teachers or guides and so-called possessors of certain souls who seek this distortion of service to self.

Why would any STS entity even seek out teachers or guides if these STS teachers and guides only lie?


Quote:12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in an alternating way, first one, then the other, and then back to the first again?
Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented toward service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

Here Ra points out a specific example of when a STS entity will lie and when it will not. A STS entity will lie to an untuned STO channel (in an effort to neutralize the message), but does "not find it necessary to lie" to an STS channel.


Within this thread I'm requesting we refrain from discussing specific STS channeled transcripts and focus mainly on:
-The nature of STS deceit, lies, and communication.
-The nature of pure STS channeling (STS channeler channeling STS entity)

Why does an STS entity transmit truth to an STS channel? Where is the service to self within this act? Does a self-serving action innately carry dishonesty and manipulation?

3rd Density being the cycle which the Soul uses to Polarize either Positive, Service to Others or Negative, Service to Self - relationships and interactions are the learning grounds of 3rd Density. Considering the earth's population consists largely of the Young Soul, which is not Polarized, many Souls needs both Positive and Negative experiences to decide on Polarity. The Soul sends a Personality to experience a number of incarnations in both Polarities so that it accumulates enough experiences to decide which Polarity it is more comfortable in.

One challenge of 3rd Density is the development of wisdom to determine if we are being lied to, being told the truth, be manipulated or controlled. These are the situations to test ones abilities in 3rd Density. A working rapport with the Higher Self is of upmost importance to graduating out of 3rd Density!
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06-05-2011, 12:52 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)pphuck Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 11:22 AM)kycahi Wrote:  Not counting yourself as STS nor STO means that you hold yourself above the rest of us, you arrogant bastard.

Not so much above as aside from. I wouldn't think 4D is "above" 3D either, anyone stating so would be on the STS path according to my belief.

Well, that's a little harsh. I agree that 4Ds are our equals and just further along on a journey, but saying 4Ds are above or better just makes common sense to someone until going deeper into the teachings or improving knowledge some other way.

OTOH, if you pursue the STS path, being harsh becomes you. Big Grin
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06-05-2011, 02:24 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 12:52 PM)kycahi Wrote:  Well, that's a little harsh. I agree that 4Ds are our equals and just further along on a journey, but saying 4Ds are above or better just makes common sense to someone until going deeper into the teachings or improving knowledge some other way.

Not harsh, really, it's just one of two different paths, right? =) A bit mistaken, yes, but I don't think that's harsh to point out.
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06-05-2011, 02:39 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 11:21 AM)pphuck Wrote:  The more I consider this matter of polarity, I'm starting to think that STS is right and STO is wrong. I mean, there is no "Other", there is only Self -- we're all the same, the separation is an illusion... THE illusion.

My belief is that when the choice is made (in 3D), ways of love (in 4D) and later wisdom (in 5D) are learned, one can drop the confusion of separate paths into unity by realizing in its very core/being that there is truly no separation between self and others, which is learned in either 1. positive ways - service and love provided for others has always felt as service and love provided to the self, thus this entity was enjoying the picnic, sunrays and fruits of the beauty of the creation; or 2. negative ways - pain, suffer and enslaving inflicted to others has always felt as pain, suffer and enslaving of the self, thus this entity was enjoying another picnic of the creation. And in 6D this becomes visible, there was indeed no separation; that everything that you did to others you were doing to yourself, and everything that you were doing to yourself you did to others. And then there comes another step on the evolution, and that is melting, becoming, the Higher Self (in mid 6D), where everything transforms into a sacred one being/beam, and one gets incapable of even thinking a negative thought about self/others, and harming becomes unthinkable/impossible.
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06-05-2011, 04:02 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 02:39 PM)Ankh Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 11:21 AM)pphuck Wrote:  The more I consider this matter of polarity, I'm starting to think that STS is right and STO is wrong. I mean, there is no "Other", there is only Self -- we're all the same, the separation is an illusion... THE illusion.

My belief is that when the choice is made (in 3D), ways of love (in 4D) and later wisdom (in 5D) are learned, one can drop the confusion of separate paths into unity by realizing in its very core/being that there is truly no separation between self and others, which is learned in either 1. positive ways - service and love provided for others has always felt as service and love provided to the self, thus this entity was enjoying the picnic, sunrays and fruits of the beauty of the creation; or 2. negative ways - pain, suffer and enslaving inflicted to others has always felt as pain, suffer and enslaving of the self, thus this entity was enjoying another picnic of the creation. And in 6D this becomes visible, there was indeed no separation; that everything that you did to others you were doing to yourself, and everything that you were doing to yourself you did to others. And then there comes another step on the evolution, and that is melting, becoming, the Higher Self (in mid 6D), where everything transforms into a sacred one being/beam, and one gets incapable of even thinking a negative thought about self/others, and harming becomes unthinkable/impossible.

The various ways in which the infinite realities/illusions of creation can confuse one, can be monumental, indeed infinite. When Ra says, there is no right or wrong, this is very much true from their clearer perspective of existence. Both STS and STO paths have their own 'dead ends', because beyond 6D, there is no polarity.
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06-05-2011, 05:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 05:20 PM by pphuck.)
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(06-05-2011, 02:39 PM)Ankh Wrote:  2. negative ways - pain, suffer and enslaving inflicted to others has always felt as pain, suffer and enslaving of the self, thus this entity was enjoying another picnic of the creation.

I can meet you at "enslaving" although it has as much to do with control and subjugation as enslaving per se. Where your thoughts about "pain" and "suffering" comes from, I do not know, but it's not the least essential for an STS entity to progress and evolve. Please point out where Ra states otherwise.

When Ra came to earth the first time, and messed up, it also created pain and suffering -- from which Ra learned, and progressed. Hence, pain and suffering is as much of a catalyst for STO entities as it is for STS entities.

I'm starting to think you're projecting your definition of "evil" on Ra's concept of STS rather than reading what Ra has stated itself.
(06-05-2011, 04:02 PM)Turtle Wrote:  When Ra says, there is no right or wrong, this is very much true from their clearer perspective of existence.

I wonder if that goes for rape, torture and genocide as well as making mistaken actions through an overabundance of compassion.

That statement about "no right or wrong" always feels extremely out of context for me when I read it quoted.
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06-05-2011, 05:22 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 05:15 PM)pphuck Wrote:  Please point out where Ra states otherwise.

Ah sigh... Please read my previous post again to clarify your question:

Ankh Wrote:My belief is that...........................
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06-05-2011, 05:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2011, 05:44 PM by Confused.)
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(06-05-2011, 11:21 AM)pphuck Wrote:  I get the feeling that most, but not all, around here believe that STO is good/right and STS is bad/evil (but needed.) The more I consider this matter of polarity, I'm starting to think that STS is right and STO is wrong. I mean, there is no "Other", there is only Self -- we're all the same, the separation is an illusion... THE illusion.

One might say that STS doesn't get that S stands for the larger Self, rather than the personal ego Self, but that wouldn't be true for all STS entities and the closer you get to 6 and 7D the less it's true for any STS.

The only way I can wrap my head around this paradox is to say that it is the separation and illusion itself that is "bad"... not the STS or STO paths on their own.

Any input on this subject would be highly appreciated. I don't count myself as STO nor do I count myself as STS -- make of that whatever you want.

I somehow admire this entire post deeply. It closely resembles what I am becoming more and more convinced of lately. The experiment of separation is evil in itself, if evil is defined by the potential to create pain and discrimination for those experimented upon. Why cannot those who do not want to be part of this experience of duality (STO Vs STS; Dark Vs Light) just go home if they want to??!! Why freewill is not being respected in that case? Oh, I know, because I do not want it subconsciously :p And the veil will prevent clear and distinct access to that subconsciousUndecided Yeah, logos, pinch the baby and rock the cradle!! Good job and show of your powerful will upon meSad.
(06-05-2011, 11:22 AM)kycahi Wrote:  I love you unconditionally, and if you resent it I'll smack you around until you stop. (This is a take on the cartoon sign on a pirate ship that says "Floggings will continue until morale improves!")

Seriously though, I wonder about the resentment. Did you post about it somewhere? Maybe you are an STS wanderer who wants to hold onto that path but got caught up in this foul and disturbing STO environment.

That made me laugh and cry simultaneously. Nice words, kycahiBlush
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06-05-2011, 05:57 PM,
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(06-05-2011, 05:22 PM)Ankh Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 05:15 PM)pphuck Wrote:  Please point out where Ra states otherwise.

Ah sigh... Please read my previous post again to clarify your question:

Ankh Wrote:My belief is that...........................

Yes, duly noted - I got confused when you mixed your own thoughts with Ra terminology. My bad.
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06-05-2011, 07:20 PM,
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I don't think of STO good and STS bad. I'd like to think I greatly prefer the STO. Besides, it's the easier, lazier way, no? Gaw, who wants to work as hard as Darth Vader? I can just lay my sword down and let go, like Obi-Wan, becoming a positive light worker in the astral plane.
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(06-05-2011, 12:52 PM)kycahi Wrote:  OTOH, if you pursue the STS path, being harsh becomes you. Big Grin

defining, reckoning, judging, or "establishing" the word "harsh" creates the sts path. Deciding that something is harsh, you create it that emotion.
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06-06-2011, 10:26 AM,
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well i'd be all service to self if i could also want good things for others! but i hate all the self sacrifice crap that everyone talksabout. i don't like that, i want to be happy and hedonistic but not have to hurt others either. call me idealistic. Big Grin
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06-06-2011, 11:27 AM,
RE: STS Lies
(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)pphuck Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 11:22 AM)kycahi Wrote:  Not counting yourself as STS nor STO means that you hold yourself above the rest of us, you arrogant bastard.

Not so much above as aside from. I wouldn't think 4D is "above" 3D either, anyone stating so would be on the STS path according to my belief.

If I remember Ra correctly, it's not essential to go from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 to 7D in a sequence. It's just the "usual way to go" for most entities.
(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)vbaba Wrote:  The challenge in 3rd Density is the development of wisdom to know the difference between Polarities.

Hmm, I don't remember Ra stating that you need to know / understand the difference between the two polarities, just that you need to get polarized enough for an eventual 4D harvest. Care to quote?

Ra did not state many things! Ra's answers were limited to the questioner's knowledge and curiosity. Ra did not offer any information outside the scope of the question. Ra is like that!

If the Soul does not know the difference between the Positive and Negative Polarities, then how can it offer itself to Harvest? Which Harvest? Positive or Negative? The Personality, you, may not know, but your Soul does. A Soul experiences both Positive or Negative incarnations via the Personality. After it has exhausted experiences in both Polarities, it is more comfortable in one of the Polarities and offers itself for Harvest.

To know the difference between Love and Hate, Joy and Sorrow, Anger and Harmony - are these not the things we learn to understand through countless incarnations? If so, then why would you exclude understanding and knowing the difference between the Positive and Negative Polarities?
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06-06-2011, 12:21 PM,
RE: STS Lies
(06-06-2011, 11:27 AM)vbaba Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)pphuck Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 11:22 AM)kycahi Wrote:  Not counting yourself as STS nor STO means that you hold yourself above the rest of us, you arrogant bastard.

Not so much above as aside from. I wouldn't think 4D is "above" 3D either, anyone stating so would be on the STS path according to my belief.

If I remember Ra correctly, it's not essential to go from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 to 7D in a sequence. It's just the "usual way to go" for most entities.
(06-05-2011, 12:25 PM)vbaba Wrote:  The challenge in 3rd Density is the development of wisdom to know the difference between Polarities.

Hmm, I don't remember Ra stating that you need to know / understand the difference between the two polarities, just that you need to get polarized enough for an eventual 4D harvest. Care to quote?

Ra did not state many things! Ra's answers were limited to the questioner's knowledge and curiosity. Ra did not offer any information outside the scope of the question. Ra is like that!

If the Soul does not know the difference between the Positive and Negative Polarities, then how can it offer itself to Harvest? Which Harvest? Positive or Negative? The Personality, you, may not know, but your Soul does. A Soul experiences both Positive or Negative incarnations via the Personality. After it has exhausted experiences in both Polarities, it is more comfortable in one of the Polarities and offers itself for Harvest.

To know the difference between Love and Hate, Joy and Sorrow, Anger and Harmony - are these not the things we learn to understand through countless incarnations? If so, then why would you exclude understanding and knowing the difference between the Positive and Negative Polarities?

The paradox is a practical joke. Its a joke on you, by you, and it is funny. I'm being serious. It boils down to realizing you've been kidding yourself. After you realize it, you absolutely want to play again.
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06-06-2011, 03:31 PM,
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(06-06-2011, 11:27 AM)vbaba Wrote:  Ra did not state many things! Ra's answers were limited to the questioner's knowledge and curiosity. Ra did not offer any information outside the scope of the question. Ra is like that!

Luckily, the question was asked explicitly, and answered.

Law of One Wrote:16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

16.38 Questioner: That is a very important point. I used the wrong word. What I meant to say was that I believed that it was not necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Tuning of your Understanding comes in 4D -- of course you can start earlier, but it is neither essential nor necessary for harvest from 3D to 4D.

Why would you have to understand explicitly that there is a choice between STS and STO to come to the realization that caring for other people makes more sense then caring for yourself, or the other way around?

You don't, for example, need to understand *anything* to have an experience of being One with All. Check out Zen, which is all about experiencing and nothing about understanding.
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06-06-2011, 03:55 PM,
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(06-06-2011, 03:31 PM)pphuck Wrote:  
(06-06-2011, 11:27 AM)vbaba Wrote:  Ra did not state many things! Ra's answers were limited to the questioner's knowledge and curiosity. Ra did not offer any information outside the scope of the question. Ra is like that!

Luckily, the question was asked explicitly, and answered.

Law of One Wrote:16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

16.38 Questioner: That is a very important point. I used the wrong word. What I meant to say was that I believed that it was not necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Tuning of your Understanding comes in 4D -- of course you can start earlier, but it is neither essential nor necessary for harvest from 3D to 4D.

Why would you have to understand explicitly that there is a choice between STS and STO to come to the realization that caring for other people makes more sense then caring for yourself, or the other way around?

You don't, for example, need to understand *anything* to have an experience of being One with All. Check out Zen, which is all about experiencing and nothing about understanding.

This is exactly it! I begged and screamed for help and mercy stating exactly "I DO NOT UNDERSTAND!" over and over before my "awakening".
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06-06-2011, 05:44 PM,
RE: STS Lies
(06-05-2011, 12:52 PM)kycahi Wrote:  I agree that 4Ds are our equals and just further along on a journey, [...]

I put some more thought into this.

Let's say you have a 3D entity that has more or less completed an Understanding of STS and STO, as well as the Balancing of Compassion with Wisdom.

Then compare the above mentioned entity with one that has no Understanding, and has yet to start the process of Balancing, but has been harvested from 3D to 4D.

Given that the end goal for both entities are Unity in 7D: Would you agree that it is feasible for the 3D entity to have come "further along the journey" then the 4D entity?

Not saying it's easy or common or usual or anything, just feasible.
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06-06-2011, 05:51 PM,
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(06-06-2011, 05:44 PM)pphuck Wrote:  
(06-05-2011, 12:52 PM)kycahi Wrote:  I agree that 4Ds are our equals and just further along on a journey, [...]

I put some more thought into this.

Let's say you have a 3D entity that has more or less completed an Understanding of STS and STO, as well as the Balancing of Compassion with Wisdom.

Then compare the above mentioned entity with one that has no Understanding, and has yet to start the process of Balancing, but has been harvested from 3D to 4D.

Given that the end goal for both entities are Unity in 7D: Would you agree that it is feasible for the 3D entity to have come "further along the journey" then the 4D entity?

Not saying it's easy or common or usual or anything, just feasible.

Very interesting. I think the 4D is a step ahead. The idea that the 3D is further means that, when they transition to 4D, they will be placed at a higher octave of fourth. This is possible too.
I imagine Ra would answer like "There is an infinite amount of ways to reach Seventh, and what you refer to as a race between two entities to the finish involves each with a possibility/probability to always leap frog the other."
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06-06-2011, 07:33 PM,
RE: STS Lies
(04-29-2011, 09:08 PM)Azrael Wrote:  What makes something a lie? I don't quite understand this, there are only relativities. I understand the nature of lying is in "lack of similarity" between two perspectives when one entity is conscious of this lack and the other is not, however can the truth not be equally enslaving to some souls? A very confusing point...

I would disagree with you, dear Azrael, in regard to your last question. So far, the truths I have learned for me, the things that rang true to me, regardless of their source and nature, have been freeing me from prejudices and stereotypes, have been ennobling me to pursue sto values, have open new doors and horizons for me.
Don't you think you are abusing a little bit of the word "enslavement" in relation to truth?

Let me know if I got your statement wrong, or if I missed some of the depths of it.
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06-06-2011, 08:20 PM,
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(06-06-2011, 07:33 PM)Radu Wrote:  
(04-29-2011, 09:08 PM)Azrael Wrote:  What makes something a lie? I don't quite understand this, there are only relativities. I understand the nature of lying is in "lack of similarity" between two perspectives when one entity is conscious of this lack and the other is not, however can the truth not be equally enslaving to some souls? A very confusing point...

I would disagree with you, dear Azrael, in regard to your last question. So far, the truths I have learned for me, the things that rang true to me, regardless of their source and nature, have been freeing me from prejudices and stereotypes, have been ennobling me to pursue sto values, have open new doors and horizons for me.
Don't you think you are abusing a little bit of the word "enslavement" in relation to truth?

Let me know if I got your statement wrong, or if I missed some of the depths of it.

Speaking for myself- I find Azrael's points in line with your own, Radu. That you have found items that ring truth in you, and that finding them was a matter of opening your mind.
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