Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
06-19-2011, 08:30 PM,
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06-20-2011, 04:33 AM,
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Theosophic concept, the buddhic realms below the monadic realm.
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06-20-2011, 10:44 AM,
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(06-19-2011, 08:18 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  
(06-19-2011, 08:11 PM)Azrael Wrote:  Well they call the 6th density the Buddhic realms!
Who are 'they'?

I caught that, too, zm. I assume Az meant the Ra gang, but only because I assigned the term "sacred" to the 6th level. This was in the 80s when my memory was rock solid (Confused). I have to revisit my terminology after rereading all of the LOO material.
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06-20-2011, 12:08 PM,
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(06-19-2011, 08:13 PM)unity100 Wrote:  yes. when the harvest completes here, there will be entities which just qualified, and those who almost qualified. in between the barrier of resistance will stand.

I didn't realize that you were targeting the harvest phenomenon as the separating agent between like entities.

Was there a larger point to the statement regarding the way in which harvest acts as a barrier? Or was that just a thought added to the conversation?

It makes me think though. I wonder if one could be of a vibratory rate of 50.9999% service to others - just a breath away from meeting the minimum grade, but be rebuffed by the wall of light, or steps of light, or guardians, or angels, or higher self, or whatever mechanism allows or disallows passage into fourth density.

What a bummer to be so close and to face the prospect of another 25,000 years in third density.*

*Unless you're a third-density prodigy and can self-harvest, a la Jesus.

Quote:Unity100 wrote: there is no relevance in advancement in between land/sea, even if we speak about this particular planet - there may be entities qualifying over the harvest cut despite inhabiting sea creature bodies.

The relationship between land, air, and sea entities is definitely not a one-to-one relationship between the entities of different densities.

It just made an easy visual analogy of the way in which entities are suited and generally limited to their environment unless advancement in evolution creates the requisite will and skill set to enter lower environments on the hierarchy. Full of holes, I know.

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06-20-2011, 12:14 PM,
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It's only a bummer if you thought you had achieved credentials to move on.

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06-20-2011, 03:54 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 12:08 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  
(06-19-2011, 08:13 PM)unity100 Wrote:  yes. when the harvest completes here, there will be entities which just qualified, and those who almost qualified. in between the barrier of resistance will stand.

I didn't realize that you were targeting the harvest phenomenon as the separating agent between like entities.

Was there a larger point to the statement regarding the way in which harvest acts as a barrier? Or was that just a thought added to the conversation?

it was an additional thought, pointing to the separating/organizing way this octave was designed.

Quote:It makes me think though. I wonder if one could be of a vibratory rate of 50.9999% service to others - just a breath away from meeting the minimum grade, but be rebuffed by the wall of light, or steps of light, or guardians, or angels, or higher self, or whatever mechanism allows or disallows passage into fourth density.

What a bummer to be so close and to face the prospect of another 25,000 years in third density.*

what is more deep is that, it is possible that these people would be so much alike while incarnated here in 3d, and may get along well. the difference from 3d perspective may be negligible.

in another respect, the non harvest ready entity will not find what it desires in 4d. it is debatable whether it is a loss. if it is so close, it may open the gateway to intelligent infinity in the first cycle of the next 3d planet, and get out whenever it wants. provided that the planetary experience is not so screwed up like here.

Quote:*Unless you're a third-density prodigy and can self-harvest, a la Jesus.

jeshosuah was not a third density entity ? he was in last octave of 4d before he came here. harvest is not relevant to him.

you can only mention the infinite intelligence gateway in his case probably - those who open the gateway to intelligent infinity can choose how and when they will leave this experiential nexus, it was told.
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06-20-2011, 06:00 PM,
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Quote:GLB wrote: *Unless you're a third-density prodigy and can self-harvest, a la Jesus.

(06-20-2011, 03:54 PM)unity100 Wrote:  jeshosuah was not a third density entity ? he was in last octave of 4d before he came here. harvest is not relevant to him.

Good point, Jesus was a wanderer, not a third-density native.

Nevertheless the native third-density entity can self-harvest (by opening the gateway) in the same manner as Jesus, yes?

(06-20-2011, 03:54 PM)unity100 Wrote:  you can only mention the infinite intelligence gateway in his case probably - those who open the gateway to intelligent infinity can choose how and when they will leave this experiential nexus, it was told.

Precisely. It is either catch the harvest train at 25,000 year intervals, or DIY in the state of consciousness which can open the gateway.

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06-20-2011, 06:39 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  Good point, Jesus was a wanderer, not a third-density native.

Nevertheless the native third-density entity can self-harvest (by opening the gateway) in the same manner as Jesus, yes?

actually we have talked a lot about this in the harvest related threads, apparently while you were away.

and the general situation from examples of harvests and harvested entities in ra material came up to be like the negative entities can harvest themselves without there being a harvest (hence the use of 'harvesting himself), whereas positive entities seem to be harvested in harvest cycles, when harvest comes. it seems to be something about amassing the necessary energy (and necessary frequency energy) to open the gateway.

for wanderers it seems different - a wanderer can open up to higher energy centers through experience, and it is a higher chance that the entity can open the gateway to intelligence during an incarnation (Whether there is or isnt a harvest, however, harvest situation/energy situation on the planet should affect that).
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06-20-2011, 07:53 PM,
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So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer? What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer? How are new souls born? Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density? Yet doesn't that fact still exist in the future in potential...?
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06-20-2011, 08:11 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Azrael Wrote:  So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer? What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer? How are new souls born? Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density? Yet doesn't that fact still exist in the future in potential...?

Hey Azrael, if I'm not mistaken I believe you are directing these questions to Unity100, but I'll chime in and offer a thought or two.


>>So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer?

Wanderers are, strictly speaking, those entities of higher densities who, upon seeing the suffering and sorrow on third-density planet Earth, desire to be of service. It is determined that the "best" way to be of service is to incarnate as a third-density entity within the third-density illusion, in so doing willingly forgetting most everything about their identity as a higher-density being.

Carla Rueckert's "A Wanderer's Handbook" takes up this topic: http://www.llresearch.org/library/a_wanderers_handbook_pdf/a_wanderers_handbook_pdf.aspx


>>What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer?

If I understand your question correctly, these are apples and oranges.

Any entity with self-awareness, wanderer or not, may connect to the higher self.


>>How are new souls born? Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density? Yet doesn't that fact still exist in the future in potential...?

Your first question in this series "How are new souls born?" is unanswerable by me.

Regarding your second, it is a very limited way like asking if some souls in the public schooling system have never experienced any grades higher than the third grade.

The response naturally would be, "There are souls who have not experienced beyond the third grade because they are either in third or a junior grade. But as they age and successfully complete the requirements of each grade, they will move onto the next and the next. So, yes, the the higher grades do await the learning entity in potential."

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06-20-2011, 08:16 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 06:39 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  Good point, Jesus was a wanderer, not a third-density native.

Nevertheless the native third-density entity can self-harvest (by opening the gateway) in the same manner as Jesus, yes?

actually we have talked a lot about this in the harvest related threads, apparently while you were away.

and the general situation from examples of harvests and harvested entities in Ra material came up to be like the negative entities can harvest themselves without there being a harvest (hence the use of 'harvesting himself), whereas positive entities seem to be harvested in harvest cycles, when harvest comes. it seems to be something about amassing the necessary energy (and necessary frequency energy) to open the gateway.

How did you guys reach this conclusion? Can you direct me to the discussion please?

Because as far as my understanding of the Law of One goes, both polarities offer the possibility to the seeking entity of harvesting itself from the third-density experience.

(06-20-2011, 06:39 PM)unity100 Wrote:  for wanderers it seems different - a wanderer can open up to higher energy centers through experience, and it is a higher chance that the entity can open the gateway to intelligence during an incarnation (Whether there is or isnt a harvest, however, harvest situation/energy situation on the planet should affect that).

That's congruent with my own understanding/recall of what Ra said on the matter. Wanderers may have a greater *chance* of opening the gateway. This increase in probability comes about as a result of some dim recollection that serves as motivation, and perhaps, as was the case with Jesus, a memory of past experience so strong that it provides actual useable knowledge.

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06-20-2011, 08:30 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 08:11 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  
(06-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Azrael Wrote:  So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer? What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer? How are new souls born? Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density? Yet doesn't that fact still exist in the future in potential...?

Hey Azrael, if I'm not mistaken I believe you are directing these questions to Unity100, but I'll chime in and offer a thought or two.


>>So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer?

Wanderers are, strictly speaking, those entities of higher densities who, upon seeing the suffering and sorrow on third-density planet Earth, desire to be of service. It is determined that the "best" way to be of service is to incarnate as a third-density entity within the third-density illusion, in so doing willingly forgetting most everything about their identity as a higher-density being.

Carla Rueckert's "A Wanderer's Handbook" takes up this topic: http://www.llresearch.org/library/a_wanderers_handbook_pdf/a_wanderers_handbook_pdf.aspx


>>What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer?

If I understand your question correctly, these are apples and oranges.

Any entity with self-awareness, wanderer or not, may connect to the higher self.


>>How are new souls born? Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density? Yet doesn't that fact still exist in the future in potential...?

Your first question in this series "How are new souls born?" is unanswerable by me.

Regarding your second, it is a very limited way like asking if some souls in the public schooling system have never experienced any grades higher than the third grade.

The response naturally would be, "There are souls who have not experienced beyond the third grade because they are either in third or a junior grade. But as they age and successfully complete the requirements of each grade, they will move onto the next and the next. So, yes, the the higher grades do await the learning entity in potential."

L/L, GLB

SO does this mean you could also be a third density "wanderer" (as in, if you died on another planet and chose to incarnate here) or are you stuck on the same planet the whole time? I guess you'd, at the least, need to be aware that such a thing is possible and that the fourth density exists. Or do you have to harvest to fourth before you can have such a choice? Also I suppose this means that not all souls came in to existence at the same time? Even though they must have all existed in potential at that point... Or is it simply because some have been unable to learn as quickly that some have had to go through repeated experiences? This all breaks down when I consider that all time is simultaneous. My point is whether or not there is any particular advantage to being a wanderer over being just a "regular" (?) Earth soul? I mean, realistically is the only difference is that a wanderer is able to remember the future (what a wacky idea O_o)? But if anyone/anything can connect to a higher self, doesn't this mean that to some degree every single person must be a wanderer of some sort since all of our incarnative energies stem "from above"?

I am simply trying to ascertain whether or not all souls came in to existence at the same time from the beginning, because of this is so it adds another twist to the whole subject of entering each density for the sake of learning. I guess the first beings progressed to a point in the future, and then fragmented in order to incarnate again, but maybe they didn't fragment at the same time and this accounts for seeming differences in "soul age". Although I know a souls age has everything to do with progress and not time, is this simply because of the fallibility of those with free will to make non-progressive choices that there is this age distinction? Hmm
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06-20-2011, 09:00 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Azrael Wrote:  So I'm confused, how is it that anyone ISN'T a wanderer? What exactly is the difference between connecting to your higher self and being a wanderer?

these questions were answered by others.

Quote:How are new souls born?

the souls/spirits laying dormant in the entities since the beginning of time, become apparent, leading the entities to act 'enspirited' at the end of 2d, making them independent, self conscious entities. this was what ra said.

Quote:Does this just mean that some souls have never experienced any incarnation beyond third density?

nay, not in this continuum. an entity becoming enspirited and passing over from 2d to 3d, has not experienced any incarnation beyond 2d, in its continuum. it will experience it in a future time point than where it is at.

...........

these questions are rather fundamental and pertain to early 1-2 books or so. they are rather important knowledge. maybe you would like to take up the books and reread. if these didnt catch your attention, you missed a lot of things like these.

(06-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  How did you guys reach this conclusion? Can you direct me to the discussion please?

Because as far as my understanding of the Law of One goes, both polarities offer the possibility to the seeking entity of harvesting itself from the third-density experience.

i dont remember exact threads. they were in harvest, and life on planet earth forums ? someone will remember better than me probably.

my observation was that, 'harvested self' was exclusively used while talking about negative harvestees in ra material, it was not used at any point for positive harvestees, no positive harvestees were mentioned or talked about outside harvest periods, 150 entities which were harvested in 2nd cycle, were not told to harvest themselves - despite being harvestable at the point of harvest - and instead confederation contacted them, and similar.

Quote:That's congruent with my own understanding/recall of what Ra said on the matter. Wanderers may have a greater *chance* of opening the gateway. This increase in probability comes about as a result of some dim recollection that serves as motivation, and perhaps, as was the case with Jesus, a memory of past experience so strong that it provides actual useable knowledge.

the inevitable push of upstreaming light is more likely the major propagator of this.

(06-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Azrael Wrote:  This all breaks down when I consider that all time is simultaneous.

all time is not simultaneous in 3d vicinity and closer. it may be simultaneous later as densities go by, and timeless in 7d. but time exists in 3d. at least, Ra says there is a past and future in 3d.
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06-20-2011, 09:10 PM,
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I love the pace of your posts, Azrael.

Many perspectives applied to a single thought. May I throw some more into the pot? If you reach a level of green love, why would you not stay and become a wanderer? How could the expression of love leave anyone behind? So what is moving on? What is progression? Are we really doing progression or is it just the way our energy moves? If my future self is a "progressed" self, then is it not my future self that performed progression and not me, because I need to be me as I am now in order for that future to be able to exist. So, what is progression? How could it possibly be different than non-progression? If I am doing what I am being right now, and all of my time/space Me is supported from my being, then this is not right and not wrong. We think we need to do what we think we need to do, and our thinking of our being is the doing of our being Tongue
(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Azrael Wrote:  This all breaks down when I consider that all time is simultaneous.

all time is not simultaneous in 3d vicinity and closer. it may be simultaneous later as densities go by, and timeless in 7d. but time exists in 3d. at least, Ra says there is a past and future in 3d.

Ra was speaking to a 3D illusion that can't understand further concepts of linear time- past present future.

"Simultaneous" is soon to become a semantic issue.

Ra says "simultaneous" isn't precise because our understanding of the word is time based. When I think of "simultaneous", I reconstruct the term to refer to the non-understanding I have with the idea that all is One and is a thought "happening simultaneously." Again, not by the definition, but by the abstract idea.
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06-20-2011, 11:48 PM,
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(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  my observation was that, 'harvested self' was exclusively used while talking about negative harvestees in Ra material, it was not used at any point for positive harvestees, no positive harvestees were mentioned or talked about outside harvest periods, 150 entities which were harvested in 2nd cycle, were not told to harvest themselves - despite being harvestable at the point of harvest - and instead confederation contacted them, and similar.

I think positive entities can choose to be harvested if they open the gateway, they just don't tend to do so:

34.2 Questioner: You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates it experience?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in its perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.
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06-21-2011, 12:40 AM,
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I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.
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06-21-2011, 03:25 AM,
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what are you talking about Zen?
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06-21-2011, 08:40 AM,
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Just a question. The satori seems to be related to what Ra describes as contacting intelligent infinity, or what Ra describes here:
42.15 Questioner: I had one experience in meditation which I spoke of before which was very profound approximately twenty years ago, a little less. What disciplines would be most applicable to create this situation and this type of experience?

Ra: I am Ra. Your experience would best be approached from the ceremonial magical stance. However, the Wanderer or adept shall have the far greater potential for this type of experience which, as you have undoubtedly analyzed to be the case, is one of an archetypal nature, one belonging to the roots of cosmic consciousness.
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06-21-2011, 09:24 AM,
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(06-21-2011, 08:40 AM)zenmaster Wrote:  Just a question. The satori seems to be related to what Ra describes as contacting intelligent infinity, or what Ra describes here:
42.15 Questioner: I had one experience in meditation which I spoke of before which was very profound approximately twenty years ago, a little less. What disciplines would be most applicable to create this situation and this type of experience?

Ra: I am Ra. Your experience would best be approached from the ceremonial magical stance. However, the Wanderer or adept shall have the far greater potential for this type of experience which, as you have undoubtedly analyzed to be the case, is one of an archetypal nature, one belonging to the roots of cosmic consciousness.

dont think its appropriate for defining an infinite intelligence experience.

ra had mentioned that an entity opening this gateway would find the experience indescribable. don's experience was of being somewhere else, some other planet/location. it was describable with words.
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06-21-2011, 09:39 AM,
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βαθμιαίος, you've come through with the right quote at the right time twice now. Thank you!

It makes no sense that only the negative entity can, by contact with intelligent infinity, harvest itself prior to the 25,000 year window. Why would the Logos deny the opportunity to those of the positive polarity?

Furthermore, there is this:

Questioner: What density is the entity known as Jesus in now?

Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless though unimportant. This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth-density, also called the light vibration.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#21

Apparently Jesus found his way out of the third-density illusion prior to the closing of the major cycle of third density.

The only way out of which I am aware is through harvest. I've never been sure that a wanderer can come in for a pre-determined set time at the expiration of which they return home without having to meet the requirements of harvest (except perhaps in the case of the walk-in).

(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  my observation was that, 'harvested self' was exclusively used while talking about negative harvestees in Ra material, it was not used at any point for positive harvestees, no positive harvestees were mentioned or talked about outside harvest periods, 150 entities which were harvested in 2nd cycle, were not told to harvest themselves - despite being harvestable at the point of harvest - and instead confederation contacted them, and similar.

Agreed that Ra makes no specific mention of positive entities harvesting themselves as Ra did of the three negatively oriented entities.

I think however that the data is available to substantiate or at least infer the positive corollary.

The group of 150 in South America had the opportunity of harvest at the point of the ending of a 25,000 year cycle, not as a result of the type of self-harvesting we are discussing.

But their situation seems emblematic of the basic attitude of the positively oriented entity when faced with harvest - it may desire to stay on in the illusion for further service and suffering.

Quote:Bring4th_GLB wrote: That's congruent with my own understanding/recall of what Ra said on the matter. Wanderers may have a greater *chance* of opening the gateway. This increase in probability comes about as a result of some dim recollection that serves as motivation, and perhaps, as was the case with Jesus, a memory of past experience so strong that it provides actual useable knowledge.

(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  the inevitable push of upstreaming light is more likely the major propagator of this.

I agree that at the base of all evolution of every entity is the driving force of the upward spiraling light. Across the board this indwells in all entities, so it is, as a manifestation of the Creator's desire to know itself, the "major propagator" of all seeking.

However you were pointing to a specific class of entity - the wanderer - and discussing the increased probability of their seeking the gateway.

Both the wanderer and the non-wanderer are propelled "forward", so to speak, by the upward spiraling light. So there must be other factors that make the wanderer more aware of this upward spiral, or grant greater access to the upward spiral, or create the motivation to work with/utilize the upward spiral - in short, other factors which cause an assumed statistical increase in the wanderer's seeking of intelligent infinity in contrast to the non-wanderer.

I was furthering your supposition that memory and past experience played important roles in the wanderer seeking the gateway.

In the case of Jehoshua, Ra attributes his healing ability to a "natural kind of remembering" http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#19.

Quote:Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.

Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)

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06-21-2011, 09:55 AM,
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(06-20-2011, 09:10 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you reach a level of green love, why would you not stay and become a wanderer? How could the expression of love leave anyone behind?

Good questions 3DMonkey. I'm not sure what runs through the mind of the positively oriented entity who has reached a minimum grade of 51% service to others at the event of harvest, but I do have a thought about love.

Though I am sure there are many other ways to describe love, Ra provides a rather cardinal definition by describing love as the ability to see the Creator in the other self (and by implication, in the self).

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=87&ss=1#21

So perhaps this love will elicit a trust that the other non-harvestable selves are the Creator and as such can be loved/accepted where they are in their evolution, and can be served to the extent they request the service.

Check out 89.29 and 89.30:
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=89&ss=1#29

Quote:Ra: "Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness. ... There was every attempt made to reach out with whatever seemed to be needed. However, those upon the positive path have the comfort of companions and we of Ra spent a great deal of our attention upon the possibilities of achieving spiritual or metaphysical adepthood or work in indigo ray through the means of relationships with other-selves. Consequently, the compassion for those in darkness was balanced by the appreciation of the light.

89.30 Questioner: Would Ra have the same attitude toward the unharvestable entities or would it be different at this nexus than at the time of harvest from the third density?

Ra: I am Ra. Not substantially. To those who wish to sleep we could only offer those comforts designed for the sleeping. Service is only possible to the extent it is requested. We were ready to serve in whatever way we could. This still seems satisfactory as a means of dealing with other-selves in third density. It is our feeling that to be each entity which one attempts to serve is to simplify the grasp of what service is necessary or possible.

Or perhaps the green-ray entity in its natural naivete will desire to not enter the doorway of harvest because it so loves (read: love without wisdom) the other non-harvestable selves that it opts to stay and serve on.

Who can know what the disposition of the entity at harvest may be.

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06-21-2011, 10:09 AM,
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RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
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Or perhaps the green-ray entity in its natural naivete will desire to not enter the doorway of harvest because it so loves (read: love without wisdom) the other non-harvestable selves that it opts to stay and serve on.
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This is what causes a Wanderer to become one in the first place.

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[quote]Ra: "Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness. ... There was every attempt made to reach out with whatever seemed to be needed. However, those upon the positive path have the comfort of companions and we of Ra spent a great deal of our attention upon the possibilities of achieving spiritual or metaphysical adepthood or work in indigo ray through the means of relationships with other-selves. Consequently, the compassion for those in darkness was balanced by the appreciation of the light.
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'I'd really love to stay and help, but that sunset is too beautiful to pass up'?
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06-21-2011, 10:16 AM,
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RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
so basically wanderers are as naive as Ra was. why do i get the feeling this wandering business was a bad idea? not that i don't love earth or know i'm a wanderer, it's just... why oh why? imagine if we make it, do we just say oh hey what about the rest of earth? lets gooo and then bam, you wake up in a world that sucks and you wonder why, gee i wonder wanderer. why did you come? to wander! to wonder! oh the wonder of it all charlie and the chocolate factory.
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06-21-2011, 10:31 AM,
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RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
(06-21-2011, 10:16 AM)Oceania Wrote:  so basically wanderers are as naive as Ra was.

Yes

(06-21-2011, 10:16 AM)Oceania Wrote:  why do i get the feeling this wandering business was a bad idea?

Quote:12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? Or what density do they come from?
Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom of which it had incarnated to avert the destruction.
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06-21-2011, 11:24 AM,
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RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
(06-21-2011, 10:09 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  
(06-21-2011, 09:55 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  Or perhaps the green-ray entity in its natural naivete will desire to not enter the doorway of harvest because it so loves (read: love without wisdom) the other non-harvestable selves that it opts to stay and serve on.

This is what causes a Wanderer to become one in the first place.

This is producing smoke in the brain. A tough question to consider. Here are the thought forms I've managed to generate. May be less than adequate to the task.

The desire to serve is present in the polarized entities in densities three through six, as far as I understand. It is in this desire that the higher-density entity chooses to become and to play the role of wanderer.

Is it the same desire to serve of the green-ray entity who at harvest chooses not to be harvested?

I guess that they are very much in the same ballpark. I think Ra described the 150-person group in S. America as being wanderers of a sort. Both groups undergo a forgetting, both undertake sacrifice, and both risk becoming karmically involved.

So perhaps I overemphasized the role of love without wisdom in the decision to not be harvested.


(06-21-2011, 09:55 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  Ra: "Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness. ... There was every attempt made to reach out with whatever seemed to be needed. However, those upon the positive path have the comfort of companions and we of Ra spent a great deal of our attention upon the possibilities of achieving spiritual or metaphysical adepthood or work in indigo ray through the means of relationships with other-selves. Consequently, the compassion for those in darkness was balanced by the appreciation of the light.

(06-21-2011, 10:09 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  'I'd really love to stay and help, but that sunset is too beautiful to pass up'?

I think that this statement, "I'd really love to stay and help, but that sunset is too beautiful to pass up" really depreciates the meaning of what Ra conveys.

As humor it is great! (If that was the intention.) But as something which attempts to capture the nature of the situation I believe it a serious misapprehension.

Ra's "appreciation for the light" is not an attachment to a colorful sunset, or pretty butterfly, or Friday night plans. The light of which they speak is the light of metaphysical truth, the deepening realization/awareness of the unity of all creation.

This perspective which "appreciates the light" begins to consciously recognize the Source which underlies all outer forms, and thusly moves closer to that attitude expressed in the opening statement of "A Course in Miracles" which goes, "Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God."

The light of wisdom begins to understand the dance, and in that understanding the outer forms become less solid, less isolated, less independent, and more transparent to the infinite One within which they arise and fall in their temporary, time-bound sojourns into and out of form.

Wisdom can see how to most effectively/efficiently move within the dance because it begins to understand the movement, how certain energies behave, how they interact with other energies, how those energies might be aided to achieve their full potential, how they may be transformed into higher energies, how to avoid blocking suppressing and fragmenting those energies, etc.

But again this understanding of the movement happens by virtue of the larger understanding of the Context within which that movement happens, by grasping the illusory nature of the movement, and by becoming directly aware of the One (eminently present within the self and within all things).

So while the desire to serve was present in Ra, their "appreciation for the light" informed them of the nature of this dance and of the increased possibility for even greater service by becoming the Creator.

In oneness,
GLB

Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi
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06-21-2011, 11:35 AM,
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Monkey, yep, but they coulda just said. you guys are idiots.
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06-21-2011, 11:35 AM,
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My statement is definitely a reduction of the complexities of Ra's statement. Reductions are humorous, and they also simplify perspective (positively, IMO).

Understand my perspective- To restate it in that simplified manner, for me, entails all the complexities and complications you articulate. For me, all that is like Friday night plans. From a perspective on high, of course.
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06-21-2011, 11:38 AM,
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(06-21-2011, 11:35 AM)Oceania Wrote:  Monkey, yep, but they coulda just said. you guys are idiots.

Didn't they? Tactfully?
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06-21-2011, 11:40 AM,
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i don't like tact. when things are screwed up, you just say it and then have wine.
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06-21-2011, 11:47 AM,
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See?! Wine is only a 3D greatness!
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