Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible
06-24-2011, 12:14 PM,
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but what are inner planes?
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06-24-2011, 01:53 PM,
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Time/space as opposed to space/time, I guess:

63.26 Questioner: Could you describe the difference that you are speaking of with respect to time/space and space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. For the sake of your understanding we will use the working definition of inner planes. There is a great deal of subtlety invested in this sound vibration complex, but it, by itself, will perhaps fulfill your present need.
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06-24-2011, 01:54 PM,
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so is it a positive time/space?
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06-24-2011, 02:01 PM,
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Yes, I think so. Ra said that he was positive.
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06-24-2011, 02:09 PM,
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hopefully.
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06-24-2011, 02:15 PM,
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If he were a positive entity in negative time/space, there wouldn't be much nurturing going on. As far as the Ra material goes, the only way they described a positive entity entering negative time/space is being tricked. I don't think it's something you have to worry about if you're not working with trance in the way Carla was.
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06-24-2011, 02:23 PM,
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i worry not only for me but for everyone, and in principle.
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06-24-2011, 02:38 PM,
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My guess of "inner planes," before and after reading that bit from Ra, is that they are, at least in space/time, specific to each of us. Ocean has inner planes and so do I. When we pop over to time/space, perhaps we can know each others' planes and therefore chat about them to help in preparation to the next jump to space/time.

Maybe, at least until we move past 3D, we can know all about our imbalances in time/space but need to be in space/time to fix them. If so, it sucks. Huh
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06-24-2011, 02:41 PM,
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yeah it sucks.
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06-24-2011, 03:36 PM,
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(06-24-2011, 02:38 PM)kycahi Wrote:  Maybe, at least until we move past 3D, we can know all about our imbalances in time/space but need to be in space/time to fix them. If so, it sucks. Huh

I think that's exactly right:

71.7 Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing?

Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.
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06-24-2011, 03:41 PM,
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(06-24-2011, 03:36 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  I think that's exactly right:

71.7 Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing?

Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.

Jeez, I must have remembered that Ra quote somewhere down deep (in those inner planes, I guess Blush).
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06-24-2011, 04:52 PM,
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Ra the bastard didn't answer the question.
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06-24-2011, 08:15 PM,
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(06-23-2011, 11:06 PM)unity100 Wrote:  curious. this places your experience around 1995-96. mine, and one of my friend's were at that same particular time too.
Anything interesting also happen around 1981-82?
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06-24-2011, 10:03 PM,
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(06-24-2011, 12:14 PM)Oceania Wrote:  but what are inner planes?

(06-24-2011, 01:53 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  Time/space as opposed to space/time, I guess:

63.26 Questioner: Could you describe the difference that you are speaking of with respect to time/space and space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. For the sake of your understanding we will use the working definition of inner planes. There is a great deal of subtlety invested in this sound vibration complex, but it, by itself, will perhaps fulfill your present need.

time/space portions which reside within the earth's inner parts (ie towards the core from the crust) probably.

(06-24-2011, 08:15 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  
(06-23-2011, 11:06 PM)unity100 Wrote:  curious. this places your experience around 1995-96. mine, and one of my friend's were at that same particular time too.
Anything interesting also happen around 1981-82?

not anything i can mention.
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06-25-2011, 08:11 AM,
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(06-21-2011, 08:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  This experience was beyond words, but it's like you are suddenly a part of everything or connected to everything, and you 'know' you're directly participating as a creator in the present creation. You are connected to your 'true nature', which is eternal. You are not guessing this is what's happening, you are defining the meaning of it. It is an extremely peaceful feeling of sacredness, there are no limits. It is not a suggestion, or something interpreted through the senses - you know it is real.

Another Wanderer who have had the similar experience, stated that it was because he melted with the Higher Self for that moment it lasted.
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06-25-2011, 08:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-25-2011, 08:34 PM by Steppingfeet.)
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(06-23-2011, 08:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  There are different types of experiences in meditation. The satori is an experience that 'sticks' - you inherit something, it becomes integrated in such a way as to always suggest the road to the self, regardless of circumstances. Sure you still have the mental patterning and misunderstandings to balance (which is a 'good thing' because that still gives you catalyst and determination), but they do not have the same impact - you know that which is possible. You now 'know', in an undiminished manner, which has become an essential part of you, that which is 'eternal' and supporting - like a 'guide star' is there. Or rather, symbolically, you have become the 'star' or the lotus.

So a satori is transformational rather than a peak behind the curtain.

What you say correlates greatly with my understanding of the so-called road to realization. The outer personality is not erased - there is still and may forever be work to do on that level - but vasanas (past habits, mental conditioning, mechanisms with their own life and momentum) as you say don't quite have such an impact any longer. In other words, a sense of self is not derived from the movement of these energies because the locus of consciousness has merged more closely with the formless.

I do notice myself less moved by outer catalyst and more able to smile at the workings of the mind, but i'm still swept up in its shenanigans not infrequently. : )

(06-23-2011, 08:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  That's exactly what happened - there was no separation from anything. But I felt like everything, I mean everything that was emerging in the moment was a part of me. So you think to yourself, 'what can I 'do' now?' To be honest, I thought everything was so 'holy' or existing in 'perfection' (as I sat there in awe), that I didn't want to change things.

Momentarily your consciousness knew my deeper identity, our deeper identity, everyone's deeper identity. To apply relative qualifying words to the unqualifiable, that is incredibly awesome.

: ) GLB

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06-25-2011, 08:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-26-2011, 02:06 PM by Monica.)
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(06-23-2011, 11:06 PM)unity100 Wrote:  there are numerous mentions of wanderer returning to home or home density in the material

there is one mention of harvest for a wanderer being mentioned, but, that subject is about wanderers which got entangled with planetary vibrations .

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=16&sc=1&ss=1#54

this can be interpreted to mean that the wanderers get harvested, and in case the wanderer got harvested in such a state, it becomes a planetary entity.

or, it can be interpreted in a way that, by getting entangled with the planetary vibrations, the entity makes itself a planetary entity, and therefore gets harvested.

I've given this more consideration. Perhaps Ra does not make direct mention of the wanderer needing to be harvested in order to leave the third-density experience, but at the same time there is the quote you linked to above, and there is this one:

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=karmically+involved&search_type=phrase&ss=1&sc=1

I interpret these statements thusly. The wanderer risks becoming "karmically involved". That is, through unloving acts the wanderer can reduce its polarity and become non-harvestable (as your quote indicates).

So essentially Ra is saying that the wanderer-entity must/needs keep its vibratory rate above 51% in order to not miss harvest and become, as you say, a planetary entity. ("Planetary entity" is kind of a confusing term. I thought at first you meant like an Earth, or a Mars. I think it might be clearer just to say third-density entity.)

You see what I'm saying? The wanderer still must meet the requirements of harvest in order to leave the third-density experience, otherwise they get to stay a bit longer.

Quote:same mechanic would probably work for wanderers for leaving the planet. harvest is probably not mandatory.

I see what you are saying, there are other circumstances which would allow the wanderer exit from third density. But at the same time, as I was saying above, it seems that Ra is saying the minimum 51% STO needs to be sustained.

Quote:would need to be a sufficiently positive environment. that no mention of such harvestees were made during the history of this planet, may give some clues as to the level of positive environment required for that.

Could be quite right. Though entities like Jesus and Buddha, and other mystics and enlightened beings down through the ages, weren't raised in realms of mutual cooperation, honest communication, and harmony as far as I'm aware.


Quote:...however there was also another q/a in which the intersection point of the upward flowing energies from mind meeting the downpouring energies from the spirit complex defining the advancement of the entity.

in a wanderer, this intersection would naturally be high - since it involves spirit complex, whose biases are rather permanent - and the upward flowing energies would be flowing in much much stronger than a 3d entity.

Indeed it likely would be naturally higher.

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07-05-2011, 10:54 AM,
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(06-16-2011, 07:08 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  In a creation of unity or oneness, there must be a loophole somewhere in every barrier. : )

That is the most saddest part for me, in the saga of creation.

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07-05-2011, 11:33 AM,
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(06-25-2011, 08:48 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  So essentially Ra is saying that the wanderer-entity must/needs keep its vibratory rate above 51% in order to not miss harvest and become, as you say, a planetary entity. ("Planetary entity" is kind of a confusing term. I thought at first you meant like an Earth, or a Mars. I think it might be clearer just to say third-density entity.)

You see what I'm saying? The wanderer still must meet the requirements of harvest in order to leave the third-density experience, otherwise they get to stay a bit longer.

there is a problem in differentiation of the manifested, and unmanifested being.

it is not something that is easy to manifet 51% vibrations for the significator.

then again, there is the no-polarity concept that comes into being from the 6th density.

Quote:I see what you are saying, there are other circumstances which would allow the wanderer exit from third density. But at the same time, as I was saying above, it seems that Ra is saying the minimum 51% STO needs to be sustained.

again, a 6d entity is without polarity in its own density.

expeting it to become positively or negatively polarized in 3d for return, would be rather illogical.

it may pass valid for wanderers of 4, 5d, probably. but, a 6d entity already lives without polarity in its own density.

Quote:Could be quite right. Though entities like Jesus and Buddha, and other mystics and enlightened beings down through the ages, weren't raised in realms of mutual cooperation, honest communication, and harmony as far as I'm aware.

most of them had the possibility of withdrawing to any isolated location or move to better locations at any given time.
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07-05-2011, 08:42 PM,
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(07-05-2011, 11:33 AM)unity100 Wrote:  expeting it to become positively or negatively polarized in 3d for return, would be rather illogical.

I find this a compelling argument. Totally agree. It is nonsensical to frame it that way. Creates way too many complications.

But then the question asked would be why volunteer? Sad
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07-05-2011, 10:02 PM,
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(07-05-2011, 08:42 PM)Confused Wrote:  
(07-05-2011, 11:33 AM)unity100 Wrote:  expeting it to become positively or negatively polarized in 3d for return, would be rather illogical.

I find this a compelling argument. Totally agree. It is nonsensical to frame it that way. Creates way too many complications.

But then the question asked would be why volunteer? Sad

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07-05-2011, 11:43 PM,
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(06-25-2011, 08:48 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  I see what you are saying, there are other circumstances which would allow the wanderer exit from third density. But at the same time, as I was saying above, it seems that Ra is saying the minimum 51% STO needs to be sustained.
(07-05-2011, 11:33 AM)unity100 Wrote:  again, a 6d entity is without polarity in its own density.

expeting it to become positively or negatively polarized in 3d for return, would be rather illogical.

it may pass valid for wanderers of 4, 5d, probably. but, a 6d entity already lives without polarity in its own density.

That statement - that sixth-density wanderers do not experience/participate in polarity as third-density wanderers - makes no sense to me.

You're right that in sixth density there is no polarity, but in sixth density there is also no toilet paper. And unless there are millions of 6D wanderers walking around planet Earth with dirty bums, they are making use of toilet paper.

Point being, this is not sixth density. Polarity is the name of the game in third density and the wanderer must, by contractual agreement, play the game in order to be here in third density, a game with consequences, hence the risk of becoming karmically involved. They are not "been there done that" and aloof from the experience and necessities of third density. Otherwise they're gods.

In the evolutionary timeline there are three basic stages pertinent to this discussion: pre-polarity, polarity, and post-polarity.

In your assertion the sixth-density wanderer does not belong to the first two groups, but the third. And as far as I am aware, the only members of the third group within third density are authentically self-realized/enlightened beings. Only they, to the best of my understanding, can be considered beyond polarity. And even then I'm not sure that enlightened third-density beings have completed transcended polarity.

But even if enlightened Buddha-consciousness beings did qualify as being beyond polarity, they are exceedingly rare here in third density, whereas there are supposed to be tens of millions of sixth-density wanderers.

Ra iterates to the group of wanderers, two of whom are of sixth density, how polarity is our dance.

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07-06-2011, 06:40 PM,
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(07-05-2011, 11:43 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  You're right that in sixth density there is no polarity, but in sixth density there is also no toilet paper. And unless there are millions of 6D wanderers walking around planet Earth with dirty bums, they are making use of toilet paper.

Point being, this is not sixth density. Polarity is the name of the game in third density and the wanderer must, by contractual agreement, play the game in order to be here in third density, a game with consequences, hence the risk of becoming karmically involved. They are not "been there done that" and aloof from the experience and necessities of third density. Otherwise they're gods.

In the evolutionary timeline there are three basic stages pertinent to this discussion: pre-polarity, polarity, and post-polarity.

In your assertion the sixth-density wanderer does not belong to the first two groups, but the third. And as far as I am aware, the only members of the third group within third density are authentically self-realized/enlightened beings. Only they, to the best of my understanding, can be considered beyond polarity. And even then I'm not sure that enlightened third-density beings have completed transcended polarity.

But even if enlightened Buddha-consciousness beings did qualify as being beyond polarity, they are exceedingly rare here in third density, whereas there are supposed to be tens of millions of sixth-density wanderers.

Ra iterates to the group of wanderers, two of whom are of sixth density, how polarity is our dance.

Love/Light,
GLB

lets move from the basics of this particular octave. we know that, infinite intelligence created each octave with particular densities, each reflecting a unique nature of existence through their ray. red is something, orange is something and so on.

indigo ray, is the ray of the 6th chakra, and also the ray of the 6th density.

in 6th density, there is no polarity. this means, this is carried in the properties of 6th ray, since it is the actuator and provider of that density's meaning.

which then brings us to this point - since any entity opening any increasingly higher chakras, are inevitably effected by, and has to oblige with the properties of that particular ray EVEN if they are in 3d, it goes without saying that they will be also affected by the property of 6th ray, when they activate their relevant chakra. or, if they work with the 6th ray in any form behind the scenes, through their unmanifested being or so on.

'we made a contract here' -> this will not affect the workings of the mechanics that the creation was created with. and we are talking about a very base mechanic here - each density and ray, being created to reflect a particular quality/nature of existence. and, regardless of the decisions and choices and orientations of any entities in any given point in space/time or time/space, these rays will keep manifesting their property.

this brings us to the reality that, regardless of what situation an entity is in, ray properties, will stay. this includes the non-polarity nature of the 6th ray.
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07-06-2011, 11:47 PM,
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Ra says several times that one of wanderers' goals in coming to third density is to polarize. They don't suggest that this is true only for fourth- or fifth-density wanderers.

36.16 ...Occasionally a sixth-density negative becomes a wanderer in an effort to continue to polarize towards the negative. This is extremely unusual.

36.17 ...If the forgetting is penetrated the amount of catalyst in third-density will polarize the wanderer with much greater efficiency than shall be expected in the higher and more harmonious densities.

52.8 ...It is correct that in the chance to remember that which has been lost in the forgetting there is a nimiety of opportunity for positive polarization.

52.9 ...The wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.



Also, wanderers are deeply positive (polarized), as this quote indicates:
Quote:53.10 Questioner: Well, talking about this type of encounter of self to self, have any Wanderers of a positive polarization ever had a so-called ‘Close Encounter’ with the Orion or negatively oriented polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

53.11 Questioner: Why does this occur?

Ra: I am Ra. When it occurs it is quite rare and occurs either due to the Orion entities’ lack of perception of the depth of positivity to be encountered...
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07-07-2011, 06:45 AM,
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or what?
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07-07-2011, 07:49 AM,
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Is it stated by Ra that chakras can be "opened" by meditation alone? I am still very ignorant of the whole chakra information. I read so much talk about "opening" them as if it was like "this past saturday I opened my green chakra for a little bit."

I ask because, when reading loo, I just took the entire polarization, catalyst, experience, relationship, vibrations, etc. to be a whole conglomerate necessary to get the chakras to move, rather than sitting and thinking about them.
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(07-07-2011, 07:49 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Is it stated by Ra that chakras can be "opened" by meditation alone? I am still very ignorant of the whole chakra information. I read so much talk about "opening" them as if it was like "this past saturday I opened my green chakra for a little bit."

I ask because, when reading loo, I just took the entire polarization, catalyst, experience, relationship, vibrations, etc. to be a whole conglomerate necessary to get the chakras to move, rather than sitting and thinking about them.

In my personal understanding, you are closer to accurate understanding than the understanding of "opening" chakras through meditation. I guess the idea of opening energy centers through meditation comes from the ill-conceived concept of "kundalini meditation," which Ra says is possible but can be harmful.

I think it's much more effective to view them as you do; that is, catalyst is offered, experienced, contemplated, balanced, absorbed, and through this, chakras are unblocked.
On the idea of 6D polarity, despite stating that 6D is of no polarity, Ra talks about their own polarity a few times (in the present tense, meaning their 6D polarity).

I think the concept to be understood is that there is no polarity in the sense that there is no polar opposite, everyone is STO. "Polarity," at this point, becomes "purity." 6D beings I'm guessing approaching full 100% STO polarity.
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07-07-2011, 09:25 AM,
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Would it be STO or simply S, Service Wink
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I opened my chakras by focusing on clearing and opening them. It took me about 2 years to get through enough blockages to awaken the kundalini. I had to learn to allow other people's energy in.

I don't think it's meditation alone. It's also about shifting our perception to one of acceptance.

This service to others polarity I think is a metaphor in a way for accepting others. I mean I'm not in the soup kitchen every day volunteering, as that's not my type of service. But I am in a state of continual accepting of others energy, instead of resisting it.

(07-07-2011, 07:49 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Is it stated by Ra that chakras can be "opened" by meditation alone? I am still very ignorant of the whole chakra information. I read so much talk about "opening" them as if it was like "this past saturday I opened my green chakra for a little bit."

I ask because, when reading loo, I just took the entire polarization, catalyst, experience, relationship, vibrations, etc. to be a whole conglomerate necessary to get the chakras to move, rather than sitting and thinking about them.
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07-07-2011, 09:54 AM,
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(07-07-2011, 09:25 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Would it be STO or simply S, Service Wink

Clever, the perception of O's would be dwindled at that point, wouldn't it?

Ra is in service to the Creator, they don't really differentiate between Self and Other, 6D having such a strong perception of Others as Self.
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