More Positive but Less Harvestable
07-07-2011, 12:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-07-2011, 12:44 PM by kycahi.)
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Thanks, Tenet. I will add just a few tweaks that you probably will agree with. First, the Old Testament God is the vengeful one and Jesus came along to set things right--turn the other cheek, love your neighbor etc. It's those hairy Christian churches calling the combined "Holy" Bible the "word of God" that causes so many leaders/followers to screw things up.

The two testaments are bound together because of all the references that JC, being a Jew, made to the old one. Unfortunately, followers think that anything in that combined publication is good enough to site and use as justification for bad behavior and, worse, confusing the new pacifistic covenant with the old.

Many Christians, despite so much churchianity, do have it right, bless 'em. They love and respect all of "God's creatures."

I know very little about Islam except that, as Christianity, it gets f*cked up plenty by selfish or confused leaders/followers. I think I heard that the name itself is Arabic for "surrender," which is encouraging.

Finally, lest we forget, everything is pre-forgiven, which is what I use the term "grace" for. Murders are committed by 3Ders who are tiny fragments of the One that have that veil around them while here in space/time. The victims and the perpetrators are experiencing what will help the One, and also even themselves, over the long perspective. I agree with enforcing 3D laws, because that provides a semblance of order and stability. Nevertheless I, as a fully authorized representative of the One in this existence (Wink), endeavor to forgive all.
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07-07-2011, 01:39 PM,
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"nally, lest we forget, everything is pre-forgiven, which is what I use the term"

HOLY CRAP!

I just replied to the weekly newsletter sent out from a local church. Their theme is Guilt and Grace.
My rant was about how grace is pre forgiven and not something we get for being guilty. Peddling guilt. This is, more or less, what I wrote.

This train of thought is what led me to post in the worship thread... And then I read this.

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07-10-2011, 10:41 PM,
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(06-29-2011, 11:23 AM)unity100 Wrote:  i think it was 5d wars that were being fought with light and thought.

Ah. So I am a 5D warrior then! Wink
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07-10-2011, 10:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-10-2011, 10:57 PM by BrownEye.)
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(07-07-2011, 12:43 PM)kycahi Wrote:  First, the Old Testament God is the vengeful one and Jesus came along to set things right--turn the other cheek, love your neighbor etc. It's those hairy Christian churches calling the combined "Holy" Bible the "word of God" that causes so many leaders/followers to screw things up.

The two testaments are bound together because of all the references that JC, being a Jew, made to the old one. Unfortunately, followers think that anything in that combined publication is good enough to site and use as justification for bad behavior and, worse, confusing the new pacifistic covenant with the old.

Here is a partial connection to the uses of sacrifice.
Quote:While I haven't done enough in-depth study to know this EXACT spell/incantation...
I find it odd that it calls upon "divine power" when YHVH is pronounced as "Yuh-hoh-voh"?

YHVH is pronounced as Yod-He-Vau-He (Yod-Hay-Vaw-Hay)

It's basic ancient Hebrew.
And quite commonly known (the correct pronounciation, at least) in real magick circles since antiquity.

Pronouncing it as "Yuh-hoh-voh" is like trying to pronouce "ROFLMAO" as 'rawf-meow".
..instead of "rolling on floor laughing my A$$ off."

YeHoVa or "Yuh-Hoh-Vah" is associated with some lower astral beings who like to "pretend" to be "God" to neophyte Left-hand path practictioners.
(and expected to be seen as such when said neophytes gain enough experience)

I won't even get into the other astral beings 'names' being invoked with this spell...

I'd recommend working the spell withOUT the name invocation as the visualization in itself is likely doing most of the work...
I'll let those who care enough, do their own research on the types of entities "invoked" with this spell,
and they can decide for themselves if they want them in their lives.

Hebrew and Sanskrit are particular languages that create the actual THOUGHTFORMS when the words are intoned/pronounced properly (which is unfortunately why power-hungry misguided Jewish priests of old, insisted that the vowels be left out of their language)




YHVH is the actual THOUGHTFORM of the "source" of this solar system and very high frequencies that one would seek to "align" with when doing spellwork.
Intoning the words properly both creates the thoughtform/vibration and allows one to access to it's power.

JehoVa is a group of parasitic astral entities that posed as wannabe God-like "almighty" entities to the uninformed and barbaric tribes of Isra-el who believed all astral communication to be "God".


(Which might explain why large parts of the Old Testament has "their God" wanting Vengeance, Punishment, and Retribution)


Let me restate- the Visualization itself seems very useful and i intuit is the main component of the spell.
The names intoned LESSEN the effects of the visualization and are calling upon LOW integrity astral beings that are no more "spiritual" than the average person on the street.

Take it for what it's worth...negative or useful advice.

Now here we see that the same things went on with the Tibetan Buddhists, which a friend of mine has had serious issues as a result of. Through his practices he had summoned something, that when a cleansing was applied, directly attacked all the group, and is now only sending its astral underlings to harass us. Pretty serious stuff to get into a system of worship or practice without knowing the background. If things don't make sense, there is probably a good reason.
Quote:The Teachings of the Buddha are one thing, and Tibetan Buddhist practices are quite another.
As different as the words of Jesus are distinct from the rituals of the cathechism.
Before I commit myself to any organized path, be it to a spiritual director, or mentor, or a lama, I should ask where does this person get their directives.
The main question about all organized religion is "what agenda is driving it?"
Intent is everything.

Just as some protestant sects are more focused on Satan than God, so equally Tibetan rituals have little resemblance to the simplicity of the Buddha's teachings.

Found this just now:

"Invocation of demons:

Since time immemorial ritual magic and politics have been one in Tibet. A large proportion of these magic practices are devoted to the annihilation of enemies, and especially to the neutralizing of political opponents. The help of demons was necessary for such ends. And they could be found everywhere — the Land of Snows all but overflowed with terror gods, fateful spirits, vampires, ghouls, vengeful goddesses, devils, messengers of death and similar entities, who, in the words of Matthias Hermanns, “completely overgrow the mild and goodly elements [of Buddhism] and hardly let them reveal their advantages” (Hermanns, 1965, p. 401).

For this reason, invocations of demons were not at all rare occurrences nor were they restricted to the spheres of personal and family life. They were in general among the most preferred functions of the lamas. Hence, “demonology” was a high science taught at the monastic universities, and ritual dealings with malevolent spirits were — as we shall see in a moment — an important function of the lamaist state. [1]

For the demons to appear they have to be offered the appropriate objects of their lust as a sacrifice, each class of devil having its own particular taste. René von Nebesky-Wojkowitz describes a number of culinary specialties from the Lamaist “demon recipe books”: cakes made of dark flour and blood; five different sorts of meat, including human flesh; the skull of the child of an incestuous relationship filled with blood and mustard seeds; the skin of a boy; bowls of blood and brain; a lamp filled with human fat with a wick made of human hair; and a dough like mixture of gall, brain, blood and human entrails (Nebesky-Wojkowitz, 1955, p. 261)."
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07-10-2011, 11:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2011, 06:52 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-06-2011, 12:46 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:  I think it's because a lot of them listen to their church rather than Jesus. The church, for the most part, is a result of Orion impressions. Elite, hierarchy, someone leading you to believe that their interpretation of God is more correct than your's or anyone else's. So much comes from a place of non-acceptance rather than acceptance.

Yes! Most Christians don't even know about the Gospel of Thomas (a collection of Jesus' sayings) much less would they even consider reading it as it is has not been canonized. As a Catholic child, I hardly ever remember hearing the words of Jesus in church. I remember a lot of Paul.

I think that Paul's writings were an attempt to shoehorn Jesus' message back into the Jewish apocalyptic dogma found in the Book of Daniel. By the time of Paul, several generations had passed and Jesus had still not returned. In order to explain this, Paul invokes the so-called Christian duty to proselytize, and tries to use guilt to manipulate various Christian groups into preaching the gospel. Except now, the gospel has little to do with the words of Jesus, but is substituted with the messianic message of accepting Jesus as one's personal savior. So Paul is insinuating that Jesus hasn't returned yet because he wants his followers to go and convert others to Christianity! For if Jesus were to come back to fulfill the prophecy (of Daniel) those souls would be lost to God forever. So good Christians, Jesus needs you to take up your swords and march for God's glory... and the rest, well we know where that leads.

Pretty much every Christian- Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Protestant, Mormon and Baptist, uses the language of Paul to perpetuate certain ideas that were never spoken of by Jesus. One would presume if Jesus felt it were so important to live according certain unattainable ideals of virtue, he would have spoken of them. Instead, he offers a very simple and practical approach, which was by his time certainly nothing new: The Golden Rule.

kycahi Wrote:The two testaments are bound together because of all the references that JC, being a Jew, made to the old one. Unfortunately, followers think that anything in that combined publication is good enough to site and use as justification for bad behavior and, worse, confusing the new pacifistic covenant with the old.


Paul attempts to elaborate a system of ethics that is "Christian" in name, but actually reincorporates several ideas from Hebrew doctrine that are demonstrably absent from Jesus' words. Maybe he felt this was the only way to ensure that the Gospels didn't become utterly lost to time, by reaffixing them to Old Testament dogma. The tradeoff is that Jesus' message gets mixed back up with the fire and brimstone, eternal damnation, and apocalyptic ruin.

With Paul, Jesus is transformed from an example for what man may himself become, to an unattainable ideal of a man imbued with a divine energy that is not accessible to ordinary man, and never will be. This is almost totally a reversal of doctrine, and yet it gets preached from the pulpits every Sunday and nobody suspects a thing. I think this one twist pretty much depolarizes the whole mission of Jesus. It really is a genius move, I must admit!

Not to mention how Mass has been rigged in various ways to distort the true magical nature of the ritual. That needs a whole new thread.


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07-11-2011, 01:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-02-2013, 05:02 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-10-2011, 10:55 PM)Pickle Wrote:  Here is a partial connection to the uses of sacrifice.

These are really good quotes, where did they come from?

They foreshadow very well where I was going with the ritual sacrifice. By late antiquity, animal sacrifice had been a practice since time immemorial. Since the Golden Age of the Vedas, man was invited to live in cities where ritual sacrifice to the gods was performed.

So who were the gods? Nowadays, a Christian might mention something about false idols and go along with the academic dogma that, since superhuman beings cannot exist, our ancestors must have "invented" the idea of the gods in some insane attempt to make sense of why there is suffering in the world.

Indigenous traditions had already practiced ritual sacrifice as an element of animism, but the fabled Golden Age is when certain indigenous tribes walked out of the jungles to live in the cities with the gods and their hybrid masters.

I get the sense that the gods, whomever they are/were, had some sort of sense that they would increasingly become aloof from, and inaccessible to, the civilizations that they had seeded. So they co-opted the existing practice of ritual sacrifice and used magical ritual to redirect the offering to somehow maintain some sort of metaphysical foothold in 3D reality. Who knows? Maybe the blood from the sacrifices flowed down into the earth and fed the gods in recluse in their subterranean cities of Shambhala and Agartha.

From the remotest historical records of antiquity, we have in 2333 BC Sargon "The True King" claiming divine authority to rule within a few generations after the mythical Flood. Who gave him authority? The gods. Yet as time goes on, and the gods reemerge into the stream of history through their reincarnation as idols of worship, more and more kings rise up each claiming the same divine right to conquer, and through force, control the ritual sacrifices conducted by the priests. Of course the Kings themselves rarely fought in battle, but instead raised armies of hungry men, fed by the toil of slaves, brainwashed to believe that they had a duty to "protect" one tribe against the perceived "threat" of another.

This brings us to the times of the Eighteenth Dynasty in Egypt. Around 1333 BCE, Akhenaten proclaims the first truly monistic religion which proclaims the oneness of all creation. He also proclaims the first co-regency with a woman, his wife Nefertiti. Based on my reading of the Law of One, I understand this to be the time of the Ra contact.

As recounted in the Law of One, what Ra perceived to be a loving intervention had massive unforeseen ramifications, essentially creating a Wrinkle In Time. Their communication to us is part of an attempt to reduce the distortion brought about by their intervention. Even this latest attempt in 1981 which we know as the Ra material struggles immensely with a mental inertia which tends toward a particular distortion.

Following the death/disappearance..? (two mysterious personalities emerge over a millenium later as the progenitors of Inca civilization). We'll just say death for now... Akhenaten, Nefertiti and their monistic religion become buried and quickly forgotten from history, until their reemergence in the late 19th century. Most people vaguely remember this as the discovery of "King Tut's Tomb" in the time of Lord Bulwer-Lytton.

But their legacy lived on. For though Akhnaten came to perceive the Law of One by his own accord, the Ra contact was channeled through a filter with a certain distortion toward self-righteousness. And so Ahknaten attempted to convert the whole of Egypt in one fell swoop, after a thousand years of polytheism, to monism. Without passing through the natural intermediate stages. This backfired, big time.

Some of the Hebrew tribes, notably Judah, had by then been living comfortably among the Egyptians for many generations under the Eighteenth Dynasty. Now, within just a couple of quick generations, the climate has completely and violently reversed, and the Hebrew people become enslaved where they had once been guests. Truly through no fault of their own. If only Akhenaten would have guessed that from his eternally youthful exuberance, would be birthed history's greatest folly. He placed the Mountain Over Water and tried to force his view upon others.

It is around this time of Exodus that Jehovah emerges as the One God of a reforged monotheistic religion. Not monistic, as in all is one, but monotheistic, as in Thou Shalt Not Have Other Gods Before Me. I think this is the twist that Ra did not foresee! Here we have the example of why loving action taken without wisdom can lead to great sorrow. This is a gift from the mid 6th density, and we would be wise to take notice. Idea

Jehovah steps up and offers to rescue the tribes if they swear to forgo all gods but him. They forge a Covenant with God whereby they secure Jehovah's protection in exchange for doing his Will. God's Will is expressed as the Ten Commandments. Ten statements which make for pretty good ethical guidelines... but in the newly forming Jewish mind, was understood as an absolute standard by which to conduct one's life.

To me, this is Jehovah's ninja move because he knew all along that his Chosen Ones ("Elect") would ignore the hidden meaning, and never be able to live up to their end of the Covenant. Therefore he didn't have to live up to his own.

Now fast forward to the Babylonian Exile of the Jews around the 6th-5th century BCE. These are the events recounted in the Book of Daniel, which was written hundreds of years later.

This is also the time of Zoroaster, Mahavira, Pythagoras, Siddharta Gautama, Laozi, and Confucius. They all lived in this very short period of time together. Now I don't know about anybody else, but I don't think this was clearly pointed out to me when I learned about these people in school. Huh

All of these guys forwarded a philosophical doctrine that was in some way an admonition to let go of the Golden Age of the gods, and embrace the coming Age of Man. Now it is true that, in their mental thrust away from the gods, they each spoke out in varying ways about animal sacrifice.

Mahavira, the founder of Jainism, happened to take a very extremist view toward not conducting oneself with any behavior that may cause harm to other living things. They of course, were vegetarians. The Buddha, however, declared all things in moderation, and his non-vegetarianism is immortalized in the myth of his death from having eaten poisoned pig.

Now fast forward again another 500 years, and about 200 years since the first known historical accounts describing the lives of these men. The civilized world had become unified under Alexander in 333 BC, the idea of democracy had been birthed in Greece along with a vision of a more cosmopolitan society where each is tolerant of others' gods.

Another 200 years, and the power has passed to Rome. Both the Temple and the Library have been destroyed. Pesky war-mongers! Dodgy

Now we are are in Jesus' time. Judaism is now one of a whole cadre of new religious movements, when previously it only had various flavors of polytheism to contend with. (One possible exception being the progenitor of Zoroastrianism.. the enigmatic Melchizedek "King of Righteousness" whom Abraham paid tribute to. Jesus' birth was also visited by the Three Magi (now Wise Men Dodgy ) which is another throwback to the Iranian version of monotheism, not the Israeli kind.

I do believe in many ways Jesus' mission was about putting a somewhat final stamp of death on animal sacrifice. And the message of Christianity seems to have been much more powerful than any of the Iron Age religions alone in that respect. Maybe it was just good timing.

But Paul seems to me in many ways a return to the old ways, a throwback to zealotry, and in many ways is responsible for the coming Dark Age of man. Of course, he probably did not know anything about the "Curse of Ra" much less that he was playing an integral role in its development some 1500 years later.

Now here we are and another 1500 years have passed. Jesus has still not returned. It is 4:56 on 07/11/2011 and people went to church yesterday in their new eco friendly minivans, pretty much oblivious, while their child is off warring in Babylon and Mohenjo-daro. Oops, I mean Iraq and Afghanistan. Idea

In their mind, they have accepted Jesus as their Savior, and that's all they need to know. They just pray that Jesus will watch over their son or daughter as they walk through the Valley of Death. They just pray for somebody to save them. If not Jesus, then maybe space aliens?? Alrighty then, I suppose they are free to choose as they will. Undecided
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07-11-2011, 02:19 AM,
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Quote:These are really good quotes, where did they come from?

I found the jehovah stuff on extrememind and just came across the tibetan stuff on avalon.

Group attempts at understanding what allah is came up empty handed for about a month. We finally hit on a point. Allah is a deity/thought form. As in created by hive mind. Started as a servitor/egregore and became more powerful as the faith became larger. So while the origin of allah may be the one god, modern day allah is a thought form created by the followers. The christians have created their own deity separate from the creator. This has helped me along in understanding.

This whole thing was pretty out there for me in the beginning. But after my recent experiments I now understand the reasons behind the idol worship. I have created a toy for use as a sort of guardian against negative entities. It really does its job. After a week or two of use I had found that there was a soul in my toy. That got me to thinking quite a bit as to how this was possible. I have since found that created objects will many times house a spirit. And in more technical items possibly a soul. That got me to thinking of the old idols and how they had spirits and actual deities taking up residence in them. Then I looked at the sacrifice idea and what that is connected with. They were worshipping what I would call demons. I am a bit safer as my toys are not able to harbor negative entities.

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07-11-2011, 11:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-11-2011, 12:00 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-10-2011, 10:55 PM)Pickle Wrote:  My buddy only left his practices after looking into the current status and whereabouts of his "ascended masters". Scary stuff Confused

Zoroastrianism was the first to classify all nonphysical entities into two groups based upon their affinity to the "One True God" Interestingly, in that system, the ahuras were the positive entities, while the daevas were the followers of the false god.

Somehow, these roles got completely reversed as Zoroastrianism spread down through the Indian subcontinent which the daevas coming out on top. Megalomaniac women in modern society are still referred to as devas, and in some cases, are worshiped by their followers in pop culture. (Many of said people who would probably call themselves atheists, I might add). Our society glorifies personalities that self-aggrandize simply "because they can". "You go, girl!" What an inspiration for young women to live up to. Rolleyes

This pole-shift got translated back into the Hebrew cosmology as angels and demons. So still today, people call upon the "angels" unaware that there is this massive confusion going on as to who is REALLY the wolf in sheep's clothing!

Over the years, this idea continued to develop in to the myths of Shambhalla and Agartha- the secret underground homes of the gods and their ethereal followers. Again, one is positive and one is negative, but that depends on who you are talking to.

Theosophy, as conceived by Blavatsky and her disciples, places Shambhalla as the secret abode of the Ascended Masters to which we should aspire. Interesting that they go back to that same type of savior/guru mentality only now it is the Ascended Master who will step in on humanity's behalf.

Also, absent from the Lucis (once Lucifer) Publishing material is ANY mention of Agartha. Surely they know about it through the works of Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton in The Coming Race and Joseph Alexandre Saint-Yves' Mission of India in Europe. The theosophists were instrumental in forwarding the agenda of the League of Nations, now United Nations.

Of course, we are all led to believe that this was a good thing, and part of why the world was able to come together to overthrow the Third Reich. BUT the Third Reich was just another example of what happens when a teaching gets distorted by the exuberance of a charismatic leader. If not for the theosophists playing mirror games and dabbling in magic, there would have never been an opportunity for the idea of reconstituting the Master Aryan Race to take hold under the auspices of the Hitler and the swastika.

The swastika, of course, having been for at least 2000 years, the symbol of the Jains, our "harmless" vegetarian friends from the above post.

Now here we are today, with evangelicals all across America (and other continents) writhing on the ground "possessed by the Holy Spirit". Hmmmmm... I dunno to me anything that the body appears to be trying to violently throw off doesn't sound like the Holy Spirit to me! Of course, in their mind, it is the demons inside that are fighting because they don't want to be cast out.

Politically speaking, Americans style themselves as democrats or republicans (read: socialists or fascists) having no clue that this is a false dichotomy that, in many ways, can be traced back to the distortion caused by Ra's intervention! We overlook that both parties are seeking to exert greater control over society- and neither of them acknowledges the innate wisdom which would allow people to choose for themselves what is right for them. But each side, being so caught up in their self-righteousness, feels justified in attempting to FORCE EVERYBODY into living according to their chosen principle, and don't see any contradiction in using subversive tactics to promote their agenda even though they run contrary to their supposed ideals.

Each side invokes a "group mind" which is essentially a nonphysical entity created by man. For one side, it is the ideal of the One World Government, with all nations subservient to a global governing body. For the other side it is supranational corporations battling it out in the global marketplace to see who comes out on top, and so gets to call the shots.

So I agree- better not to dabble in magic! It's not that magic is wrong inasmuch as that since there is no way to discern the true nature of the entities contacted.

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07-11-2011, 11:36 AM,
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What did you mean by Curse of Ra? I didn't see any reference to Ra in that page. Though it did make interesting reading.

(07-11-2011, 01:23 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  But Paul seems to me in many ways a return to the old ways, a throwback to zealotry, and in many ways is responsible for the coming Dark Age of man. Of course, he probably did not know anything about the "Curse of Ra" much less that he was playing an integral role in its development some 1500 years later.



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07-11-2011, 11:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-11-2011, 01:57 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-11-2011, 11:36 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:  What did you mean by Curse of Ra? I didn't see any reference to Ra in that page. Though it did make interesting reading.

David Wilcock Wrote:In other words, it seems to be a wrinkle in time, where you have to pass through this point where all the graphs would go flatline.

They could never get that data, but that‘s what they wanted. They wanted to play it back through the chair without someone in it, and then go through it themselves. If they could get it to a point where it was systematic [and automatic, without the need for a human operator, they would be happy].

A lot of these guys didn‘t want to go through the [vortex created by the] chair themselves. They didn‘t want to lose their lives. They were really, seriously wanting to know what was happening when people would hit this bump in 2012.

That also ties in with Burisch‘s material, where it appears from his information that there is this surge of energy from the center of the galaxy and the Sun that bombards us with what he calls “micro-wormholes ” [some time around 2012].


I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time.

So, the "Curse of Ra" is also the "hidden key" to history which provides for a continuity of misguided thinking, framed in false eschatology, from the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom to modern day.

Maybe in some way, Ra's intervention was a reflection of action taken in an even more distant time... the fabled Golden Age where the gods lived amongst men, and mated with them.

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07-11-2011, 01:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-02-2013, 05:04 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-11-2011, 02:19 AM)Pickle Wrote:  I have since found that created objects will many times house a spirit. And in more technical items possibly a soul. That got me to thinking of the old idols and how they had spirits and actual deities taking up residence in them. Then I looked at the sacrifice idea and what that is connected with. They were worshipping what I would call demons. I am a bit safer as my toys are not able to harbor negative entities.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on the concept of vril.


(07-07-2011, 01:39 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  These things that reveal our connectedness. These things. These things

Everything is truly connected, isn't it? Big Grin
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07-11-2011, 09:07 PM,
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Don't think I have heard of vril. Will be looking into it.
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07-11-2011, 11:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-31-2011, 08:21 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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Here it is right here in Session One. I went back to look and it was staring me right in the face.

Quote:Does this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further?

Is there another query?

Questioner: (The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.)

The question was lost! Ra was just explaining about their previous contact. They asked if they could speak further. The questioner, being so anxious to "get on" with the agenda ends up causing one of the first questions asked to Ra to be lost to technical difficulties!

Quote:May we enunciate this law in more detail? Questioner: No.
Ra: I am Ra. Is there another query at this time?
Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality? [Noise of cassette tape being flipped.]
Read that section. Now go back and read the entire session. Almost everything I have been jammering on about is right here in Session One.

Right here, Ra asks if they may enunciate the law in more detail. The questioner says NO Exclamation Idea Dodgy and then proceeds with their "earth changes" agenda. Right from the get go, there are certain distortions present in the Questioner's mind which redirect the natural thrust of the contact away from the Law of One.

[Tape gets flipped]
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07-12-2011, 12:19 AM,
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No, we get it Ra. ....Moving on to more important things....

'retrospective oops'
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(07-12-2011, 12:19 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  No, we get it Ra. ....Moving on to more important things....

'retrospective oops'

Bingo! Through no fault of their own, of course.

I try to look at it from Ra's perspective. Ra decides to make an appearance, and almost immediately encounters the very distortion that they themselves unintentionally created over three thousand years prior.

Ra specifically says somewhere that they chose the contact group because of their extreme distortion toward service to others. I will see if I can find it. The group really and truly wanted to be of service to their fellow humanity.

What they hadn't done was clear out some of the inertia, or tendency toward certain thought patters, within their own minds. I wonder if the "earth changes" line of questioning even originated from within the group... or did it come from somebody outside? Undecided Leonard? Who is that? (Any help here??)

The end result is that Ra gets to communicate the Law of One (however briefly) and the group provides a certain countervibration that helps to anchor it into 3D, but also allows for easy distortion. Thus Ra minimized the potential to abrogate free will.

Still we must consider some of the very real outcomes of the contact. The contact resulted in the deterioration of Carla's health. "Potentially fatal" according to Ra. (A point sometimes lost on those who assume the more light energy the better.) We also cannot overlook that Don was resistant to the contact from the very beginning, and the Ra contact culminated in a five and one-half hour standoff with police resulting in his death.

Epilogue to Book V (Jim) Wrote:Don was convinced his death was imminent, and he did not want to die in a mental hospital. When tear gas was used to bring Don out of the house, he walked out of the back door and shot himself once through the brain. He died instantly.
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07-12-2011, 05:33 AM,
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well i can't blame him after all he learned. the Ra material is heavy.
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07-12-2011, 05:40 AM,
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Yes, I have a measure of empathy for him as well.
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07-12-2011, 10:21 AM,
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(07-12-2011, 05:33 AM)Oceania Wrote:  well i can't blame him after all he learned. the Ra material is heavy.

There is no blame in my post, just an observation. And the Ra material is "heavy" because the group kept directing the contact back toward earth changes and the negative Orion contact.

Ra came in to proclaim the Law of One... Ra did not come in with any sort of gloomy message. That came later in the contact.

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07-12-2011, 11:00 AM,
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(07-12-2011, 01:06 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  I try to look at it from Ra's perspective. Ra decides to make an appearance, and almost immediately encounters the very distortion that they themselves unintentionally created over three thousand years prior.

however, the 'here it comes' was not a distortion that ra created. it was yahweh's doing, in order to communicate coming of 4d. however it devolved into doomsday concept, and its modern reflection in spiritual literature is 'earth changes' in its most mild form.

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07-12-2011, 11:03 AM,
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Wait, was Yahweh a STO entity (or social memory complex)?

I sure would like to find a comparison on these "gods".

I used to think that Yahweh was YHWH (or is it YHVH)?
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07-12-2011, 11:32 AM,
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(07-12-2011, 11:03 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:  Wait, was Yahweh a STO entity (or social memory complex)?

I sure would like to find a comparison on these "gods".

I used to think that Yahweh was YHWH (or is it YHVH)?

Ra's narrative about Yahweh is somewhat complex. According to them, there was an original, positive, Yahweh, who was responsible for transferring the souls from Mars to here 75,000 years ago and, in a misguided attempt to help, for genetically altering the bodies they incarnated into, and a negative, usurping, Yahweh who convinced the Hebrews about 3,600 years ago that it was their god.
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07-12-2011, 12:15 PM,
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isn't YVHV for something else?
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(07-12-2011, 11:00 AM)unity100 Wrote:  however, the 'here it comes' was not a distortion that ra created. it was yahweh's doing, in order to communicate coming of 4d. however it devolved into doomsday concept, and its modern reflection in spiritual literature is 'earth changes' in its most mild form.

At long last, some common ground! Big Grin

Did Ra create the distortion? Well, in a way, yes, because something must have blinded Ra from knowing that Yahweh was lurking around, waiting for an opportunity to do.... what? What I offered above was a theory, based on known historical facts, which explains how Ra's monistic philosophy became distorted through an attempt to impose it upon the Egyptians by Akhenaten. Which in turn, resulted in the enslavement of the Hebrews and the opportunity for Yahweh to gain an advantage over the other gods, by playing upon their fears, and twisting monism into monotheism.

I'm not trying to forward it as the end-all be-all interpretation of 5000+ years of human history. But I at least thought it was an interesting- and unique- view. At least worth serious consideration? Undecided Do you see anything in those three posts that makes sense to you, or is it all just garbage to you?

Well at the very least, we must concur, based on Session One, that their original contact was distorted, and hence they felt moved to come back and try again. Or did I already lose you there?


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(07-12-2011, 01:06 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  The contact resulted in the deterioration of Carla's health. "Potentially fatal" according to Ra. (A point sometimes lost on those who assume the more light energy the better.)

I did notice that diet/health recommendations she received were mostly passed over. I had brought this up before, that she was given hints as to her continuations of allergies which could be alleviated. One of her weaknesses is food. So food seems to ber her downfall moreso than channeling.

I have poked around the Vril thing, haven't yet figured it out.
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(07-12-2011, 02:27 PM)Pickle Wrote:  I did notice that diet/health recommendations she received were mostly passed over. I had brought this up before, that she was given hints as to her continuations of allergies which could be alleviated. One of her weaknesses is food. So food seems to ber her downfall moreso than channeling.

Yea. Who can say? Hopefully Carla is continuing to improve now in this moment.

Quote:I have poked around the Vril thing, haven't yet figured it out.

I haven't figured it out either... but it is quite the rabbit hole. Vril is basically like an energetic residue, or imprint, that can become attached to things and people. The idea itself is as old as the hills, but the way it resurfaced in the Nazi paradigm based on The Coming Race was very... well... interesting?? Anyway, check it out. I'm sure you will find it interesting.

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When there is contradiction in the heart and mind, you become less harvestable. It is about doing something 100% whether its STS or STO.
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(07-12-2011, 02:26 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  
(07-12-2011, 11:00 AM)unity100 Wrote:  however, the 'here it comes' was not a distortion that ra created. it was yahweh's doing, in order to communicate coming of 4d. however it devolved into doomsday concept, and its modern reflection in spiritual literature is 'earth changes' in its most mild form.

At long last, some common ground! Big Grin

Did Ra create the distortion? Well, in a way, yes, because something must have blinded Ra from knowing that Yahweh was lurking around, waiting for an opportunity to do....

Do you see anything in those three posts that makes sense to you, or is it all just garbage to you?

that wouldnt be relevant. 'yahweh lurking around' would be inappropriate for the time of ra contact, since you are apparently referring to the orion entity which usurped yahweh's identity after 1600 BC. Ra contact, in the latest, is 2300 BC or so. before 1600 BC date, yahweh was the confederation entity, positive yahweh. there would be no concept of yahweh 'lurking' around that time.

if you are just using yahweh as a misnomer to refer to the orion entity that usurped it later, that orion entity was not past the quarantine, and working in earth at the time of last contact by ra. that outfit was able to get past quarantine through a random window around 1600 BC or something.

if you go as so far to go way back, you would not find the 'doomsday' distortion, but, 'one god', but more appropriately, 'god/gods' distortion created by yahweh's genetic intervention to make entities more 'able' to perceive intelligent infinity at the start of this 75,000 year period by genetically modified bodies brought from mars.

if you dive deeper, the question would go as far as maldek to the spiritual influences acting on this solar system, and even to ra's own experience itself.

there seems to be a 'one god/oneness' distortion being tried to impress on entities of this solar system with every planetary experience.
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(07-12-2011, 04:06 PM)neutral333 Wrote:  When there is contradiction in the heart and mind, you become less harvestable.
Thank you, neutral333. I'd like to hear what you would consider an example of this, hypothetically. By heart, do you mean spirit? Would you think this is your way of explaining the "Way of Responsibility"?
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(07-12-2011, 06:37 PM)unity100 Wrote:  that wouldnt be relevant. 'yahweh lurking around' would be inappropriate for the time of ra contact, since you are apparently referring to the orion entity which usurped yahweh's identity after 1600 BC.

I am very interested in figuring out what went on there. So.. hmm.. I see there is a lot of confusion over Yahweh, Jehovah, YHVH (and permutations), et al. Which is interesting, but not where I want to direct my thought as of yet. I am referring to whomever became the One God of the Hebrews, and who was featured in Exodus. Is there a name we can agree on to assign to this entity?

Also, I am curious how you arrived at 1600 BC for the Orion entity contact. That would place it during the chaotic "Second Intermediate" rather than the "New Kingdom" period of Egyptian history.

Quote:Ra contact, in the latest, is 2300 BC or so. before 1600 BC date, yahweh was the confederation entity, positive yahweh. there would be no concept of yahweh 'lurking' around that time.

So you are saying Ra contact is in the time of Sargon the Great and at the end of the Old Kingdom of Egypt? Do you have an argument or evidence to support that claim? Or..?

I know I am drawing a conclusion that cannot be proved one way or the other... BUT we do know that Akhenaten and Nefertiti ruled up until 1333 BC. We do know that Akhenaten promulgated a belief system that appears quite similar to the Law of One. We do know that this DID NOT go over well with the Egyptians, and that there was a subsequent attempt to erase them from the historical record.

We ALSO see the same theme emerge (apparently much later) with the Inca culture in South America. Down to the high congruency of physical details between Akhenaten and Viracocha. The latter who is said to have emerged from a portal or stargate.

Now read this excerpt:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

Does this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further?

Is there another query?

NO Ra! This does not form a sufficient amount of information! Please speak further!! Big Grin

Quote:if you are just using yahweh as a misnomer to refer to the orion entity that usurped it later, that orion entity was not past the quarantine, and working in earth at the time of last contact by ra. that outfit was able to get past quarantine through a random window around 1600 BC or something.

Again, where are you coming up with your timeframe?
I am not asking in an argumentative fashion, but rather because I am eager to know if there is something important I overlooked.

Quote:if you go as so far to go way back, you would not find the 'doomsday' distortion, but, 'one god', but more appropriately, 'god/gods' distortion created by yahweh's genetic intervention to make entities more 'able' to perceive intelligent infinity at the start of this 75,000 year period by genetically modified bodies brought from mars.


Yes! I am trying to trace this distortion through time, given the information that we have available to us. Ah, so maybe are you saying the assertion that Ra caused the distortion goes too far?? It had already been going on long before the Ra contact.

OK OK, sorry Ra! Still... whenever Ra makes the Egypt contact, they did not foresee the Orion entity coming in and twisting everything around. Or did they??? Wink

Let us assume they DID NOT know. That means that, whatever state of being they were coming from at the time, [Late 4th density, early 5th density??] they were unable to see the potentially negative outcomes of their "intervention". (Sorry, but I still see it as an intervention.) Do you have another word for this? What would you call it?

In any case, in consideration of a late 3rd density/early 4th density entity wanting to polarize more positively... well all I am trying to say is BE WISE about it. Just because an action is loving, does not mean it can't be twisted to the negative side.

Love is not sufficient to guarantee a positive outcome. I mean, really, anybody who has lived with an alcoholic or drug addict can tell you that. Idea

Taking actions that are BOTH loving AND wise is the key. And try to keep tabs on the overzealousness which comes from taking an absolutist mental stance. This is the suggestion I would offer to early 4th density humanity, based on what I know about the densities which are to come.

We don't know what we don't know. Do you suppose that the grand journey of Life has no surprises for us? Are we even meant to "figure it all out" or are we meant to live within the mystery?

Quote:if you dive deeper, the question would go as far as maldek to the spiritual influences acting on this solar system, and even to ra's own experience itself.

Absolutely! Which gets to exactly why I take such a hard line on violent and warlike thinking, as evidenced by earlier in this thread.

I feel like this Maldek influence is mucking things up for everybody else, who are more than ready to move on. Look, you guys destroyed your own flippin' planet, came here, jacked around for thousands (tens of thousands, millions???) of years. STILL can't figure out how to live in peace. Welp! Sorry, guys, we gave it a good run. We'll catch up with you in mid sixth density and have a cup of nectar together. Time to move on!!

Quote:there seems to be a 'one god/oneness' distortion being tried to impress on entities of this solar system with every planetary experience.

Indeed. And we can only speculate so far back into the annals of cosmic history as to its origins. But we CAN see (I think pretty clearly) how this distortion is still holding humanity back today, in 2011.

So where do we go from here?

Let's for a moment, assume that something really BIG is going to happen at the end of next year. Let's assume that, yes, humanity has an opportunity to take a HUGE leap forward. Let's assume that, yes, all of the Wanderers that have come from the far reaches of the density spectrum in order to "increase the harvest".

Given those three assumptions- Why are all the "spiritual" people of the world still arguing over details about how people "should" or "should not" live their lives???? What good is it doing anybody who might be teetering on the edge, to set out ideals of conduct that are most likely unattainable between now and the end of next year? Why not just WAIT for fourth density perception to arrive, and then reevaluate our ethical systems then, when we can see much more clearly?

Isn't there something that we can ALL get behind? RIGHT NOW? Some sort of unified message?

Any suggestions, unity100? Or anybody else?


(07-12-2011, 04:06 PM)neutral333 Wrote:  When there is contradiction in the heart and mind, you become less harvestable. It is about doing something 100% whether its STS or STO.

What do you mean by "heart and mind"? I take that to mean LOVING and WISE.

I also see a great deal of confusion with regard to this word: harvestable.

According to the Law of One, one must be sufficiently polarized in order to be harvestable. The material offers 51% polarization to STO and 95% polarization to STS.

So polarization is a matter of degree. Harvestability is not. An entity is either harvestable, or not.

There is no "more or less" harvestable, only more or less polarized. There are no "partially harvested" entities in 4D.

Based on that, my personal ethical stance is: I believe I already have attained the requisite 51%, which is good enough for me. There is nothing in the Law of One to suggest that an entity "should" strive for 100%. And I do not feel that I am anywhere near close to "accidentally" falling under 51%.

If I had to guess, I would be somewhere in the 75 - 85% range. But even in my guessing, you can clearly see how ABSURD it is to continue with this line of thinking. It doesn't get you anywhere you want to be. So what? Tenet is 55.7% and PFC JoeBob is 55.4%, so Tenet's view comes out on top? That actually sounds kind of like how a highly polarized STS entity would arrange things.

In fact, Ra rarely uses the word "should" in the material. And when Ra does, it is in reference to how to make for a clearer channel. So, given the goal of improving the transmission, what "should" the group do?

Most of the "should"s in the material come from the questioner. Personally, I happen to feel that the persistent use of this word in the query causes more distortion of the message than whether or not the candle was facing in the "right direction", for example.

So, this is not to say I have given up on serving others. However, this IS to say that I purposely take some actions that are in the "gray area", in hopes that I can better discern which is which. I also acknowledge that I won't be able to fully discern the outcomes of my actions from within 3D. And that's OK with me. I do not fear for the future of my soul, because I failed to achieve 100% STO. [If that is even possible.]




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(07-13-2011, 12:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Given those three assumptions- Why are all the "spiritual" people of the world still arguing over details about how people "should" or "should not" live their lives???? What good is it doing anybody who might be teetering on the edge, to set out ideals of conduct that are most likely unattainable between now and the end of next year?

Those 'spiritual' people, whether fundamentalist religious, New Age, Wanderers, or whatever - all doing the same thing: Trying to change the world in a positive way. Granted, some go way too far, in the direction of control, but for the most part, people generally mean well and are just trying to do what they believe in. Some work for peace, others work to champion the oppressed (whether those 'oppressed' be cancer victims, rape victims, victims of war, gays, animals, unborn babies, or whatever). By championing the oppressed, by necessity they must tell the oppressors to stop oppressing, thereby "telling them how to live."

(07-13-2011, 12:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Why not just WAIT for fourth density perception to arrive, and then reevaluate our ethical systems then, when we can see much more clearly?

Because we're co-creators. We create our reality. We can't just 'wait' for things to happen.

(07-13-2011, 12:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Isn't there something that we can ALL get behind? RIGHT NOW? Some sort of unified message?

We can't agree on what that might be.

(07-13-2011, 12:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Based on that, my personal ethical stance is: I believe I already have attained the requisite 51%, which is good enough for me. There is nothing in the Law of One to suggest that an entity should strive for 100%. And I do not feel that I am anywhere near close to "accidentally" falling under 51%.

...

So, this is not to say I have given up on serving others. However, this IS to say that I purposely take some actions that are in the "gray area", in hopes that I can better discern which is which. I also acknowledge that I won't be able to fully discern the outcomes of my actions from within 3D. And that's OK with me. I do not fear for the future of my soul.

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