More Positive but Less Harvestable
07-25-2011, 01:37 PM,
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(07-20-2011, 04:49 AM)seejay21 Wrote:  Defining ourselves as STO, is not an STO act. It is the exact opposite. To the true STO mind/body/spirit complex, there is no reason to seperate yourself as more STO than anyone else. Doing so is pure STS.

I just came across this information posted here. This is from a transmission of the Cassiopaeans:

Quote:Q: (L) We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just be, not want… just be?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that. You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.

Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode…

A: STO candidates.

In light of this new information (new from my standpoint) please disregard all previous comments I may have made about being STO. It was presumptuous of me to declare such a thing, and I am afraid, quite misguided.

Seejay21, thank you for your contributions.
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07-25-2011, 01:51 PM,
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(07-25-2011, 01:37 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  In light of this new information (new from my standpoint) please disregard all previous comments I may have made about being STO. It was presumptuous of me to declare such a thing, and I am afraid, quite misguided.

I think I may be confused.

Your confusion might be due to the source of that 'new information.' Wink

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07-26-2011, 09:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 09:40 AM by Crown.)
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
Quote:"You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are."
- This sentence cant be true in my opinion. Our souls operate in a plane of infinity which has no seperation between the self or the others. Yes, our souls has this thing that we might call an affinity towards a certain polarization according to the numerous lives it is experiencing or have experienced lately. Even though this plane is not moved or defined by time, so "experienced lately" is wrong, but we have no other way of explaining this phenomena. So, we are not all STS. Maybe we are all easily leaning towards STS by slacking and lacking true information and revelations about our true nature. But that does not mean we are all STS in our essence and core. Maybe we are all struggeling hard with the idea of self versus others and thats why our souls decided to incarnate on planet earth in this density at this time.




You have the right of self defenition and self recognition. You have the right to call yourself and define yourself as STO. Only if you may choose to do so. A true STO entity would have not even attempted to define itself as an opposite of others, but we are not a true STO entity because it is very hard to be as so, atleast in this current reality.




Striving for change and having a clear and positive vision for yourself and your surrounding otherselves and environment is a good way to start.
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07-26-2011, 12:46 PM,
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(07-26-2011, 09:39 AM)Crown Wrote:  
Quote:"You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are."
- This sentence cant be true in my opinion.

Right. It cannot be true in light of Ra's definition of the term.

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07-26-2011, 03:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 03:55 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

What I think this idea is getting at is that having a physical body puts one in a default STS mode. This is not to say that it is impossible to genuinely serve others within 3D, only that at the most fundamental level of being physical in 3D, there is an STS element that cannot be avoided or circumvented.

The most notorious example being that physical beings must eat food, thus cutting short the life of another physical being in order to continue its own. As the human body cannot survive on carrion or rotted plant material, we are forced into the somewhat uncomfortable position of killing another living creature (even if it is algae) in order to survive.

The idea put forth which I think is very intriguing is that 4D, though having an element of physicality, does not require one to eat food in the way that we normally think about it. If one is desirous of food, they may simply manifest it out of the "ethers".

This gets back to the potential folly I pointed out in attempting to impose 4D values on a 3D society. One thing I really like about the C's is that, when pressed for questions about 4D, they frequently offer "wait and see" as a reply.

So getting back to the food issue, perhaps upon our arrival in 4D we will find that this deep inner conflict over eating our animal and plant friends becomes a moot point. Perhaps we will find that this, and other issues that humans tend to get all worked up in a tizzy about, simply resolve themselves effortlessly, and we will find that much of our conflict and chagrin was for naught.

Again, I see a huge pitfall for the "newly awakened" to get hoodwinked by self-styled gurus, masters, avatars and saviors, who are all too eager to impose all manner of physical practices that are supposedly intended to make one "more spiritual". Since, quite clearly, the gurus do not agree, one can easily become lost for years, decades, or even lifetimes, trying to determine which is the "One True Way" to eat, sleep, meditate, exercise, etc. for "spiritual growth".

Ironically, this persistent idea of the "One True Way" is the #1 obstacle to true spiritual growth and understanding.

Teilhard de Chardin Wrote:We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

The human experience contains certain elements that are unavoidably STS. Eating, sex, marriage, ownership, money, the family unit (taking care of "one's own") are all examples of things that can never really be fully STO, given the parameters of the human experience.

Interestingly, the only ones who seem to be deeply conflicted about this are those "Wanderers" who somewhere deep down know, that all of this is neither necessary, nor desirable. Yet we find ourselves here in 3D, and must play by the rules.

As is being discussed in 6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?, a fairly substantial argument can be made that, throughout history, every attempt to impose higher density values upon a third density culture has backfired bigtime.




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07-26-2011, 04:11 PM,
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"Again, I see a huge pitfall for the "newly awakened" to get hoodwinked by self-styled gurus, masters, avatars and saviors, who are all too eager to impose all manner of physical practices that are supposedly intended to make one "more spiritual". Since, quite clearly, the gurus do not agree, one can easily become lost for years, decades, or even lifetimes, trying to determine which is the "One True Way" to eat, sleep, meditate, exercise, etc. for "spiritual growth".

Ironically, this persistent idea of the "One True Way" is the #1 obstacle to true spiritual growth and understanding."


} I agree. Once the WILLing learner learns something, the big question is 'what do I do with it now?'. The hoodwinkers (most deceive themselves) have a hay day. The real answer to the question is 'nothing, you've been doing it all along, you just didn't realize it. Be content with the realization'
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07-26-2011, 04:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 04:55 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-26-2011, 04:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  } I agree. Once the WILLing learner learns something, the big question is 'what do I do with it now?'. The hoodwinkers (most deceive themselves) have a hay day. The real answer to the question is 'nothing, you've been doing it all along, you just didn't realize it. Be content with the realization'

Right. Almost invariably, the hoodwinkers reply is that the learner must themselves "bring the truth to others", i.e. proselytize, and eventually become a guru/master/avatar/savior and "serve" others by hoodwinking THEM into the same faulty mindset, through conversion or "missionary work".

If the learner fails to convert others, the guru already has a convenient explanation ready: the learner must not be following the prescribed physical practices to the fullest extent. The learner, now brainwashed into accepting a cult-like mindset, then acquiesces and renews their vows with ever greater resolve, thus perpetuating the cycle.
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07-26-2011, 06:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 06:33 PM by Monica.)
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

Respectfully, I disagree. While any process of introspection will undoubtedly yield higher understanding, and all points of view are valid from their own perspective, that doesn't necessarily mean that all points of view are valid from our perspective.

My Christian fundamentalist friends think their dogma, based on the Bible, is 'right' and anything New Age/occult/channeled is 'wrong' or even 'satanic.' From my perspective, it would be beneficial for them to open their minds a bit. But from their perspective, dabbling in info such as the Law of One might only confuse them, because people tend to fear that which they don't understand. So it might be appropriate for them to think such info is 'wrong' according to their own chosen paradigm.

Likewise, many of us have long ago dismissed religious dogma. For us, the notion that 'God' chose only a few elite souls to have eternal life, while condemning some 80% of the population to eternal hellfire, is, quite simply, wrong.

We can respect that religious people believe that, and are entitled to believe that if they so choose. But, quite frankly, I simply don't believe in the Biblical 'God' nor its associated dogmas.

This isn't judgment; it's discernment.

Discernment is important. With religious dogma, it's easy: most of us pretty much agree on that. But with other channeled sources or any other 'New Age' info, it's not so black-and-white. Some find value in those other sources, while others do not.

With that said, I now direct you to our guidelines and request that any further discussion of the Cassiopaeans be redirected to the sub-forum designated for that purpose.

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  The idea put forth which I think is very intriguing is that 4D, though having an element of physicality, does not require one to eat food in the way that we normally think about it. If one is desirous of food, they may simply manifest it out of the "ethers".

This gets back to the potential folly I pointed out in attempting to impose 4D values on a 3D society. One thing I really like about the C's is that, when pressed for questions about 4D, they frequently offer "wait and see" as a reply.

So getting back to the food issue, perhaps upon our arrival in 4D we will find that this deep inner conflict over eating our animal and plant friends becomes a moot point. Perhaps we will find that this, and other issues that humans tend to get all worked up in a tizzy about, simply resolve themselves effortlessly, and we will find that much of our conflict and chagrin was for naught.

Again I disagree, and see incongruency in this statement and your next paragraph in which you see following a guru as a pitfall.

Following a guru is much like waiting for Jesus to come back, or the aliens to save us, or...4D.

What those all have in common is a "wait and see" attitude...ie., we don't really have to take responsibility for ourselves, because Jesus/aliens/4D will 'save' us and we can just sit back and enjoy the ride.

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Again, I see a huge pitfall for the "newly awakened" to get hoodwinked by self-styled gurus, masters, avatars and saviors, who are all too eager to impose all manner of physical practices that are supposedly intended to make one "more spiritual". Since, quite clearly, the gurus do not agree, one can easily become lost for years, decades, or even lifetimes, trying to determine which is the "One True Way" to eat, sleep, meditate, exercise, etc. for "spiritual growth".

Ironically, this persistent idea of the "One True Way" is the #1 obstacle to true spiritual growth and understanding.

Sure. But so is "waiting to be rescued" an obstacle, because the entity stagnates, rather than being proactive in his/her spiritual progress.

In the case of your example - eating animals - I respectfully submit that it's a cop-out to just "wait for 4D" when animals are suffering in the here and now, and we have the power to do something about it.

As our new member Diana stated:

Quote:Imagine the most Utopian future world you can. What would it be like? Perhaps at that point consuming anything but air and sunlight would be all we need? Draw a straight line from where we are now to that future world. Now start taking steps along that line.

"Taking steps along that line" isn't being dogmatic about a "One true way"; it's being pro-active, and acting responsibly, to do that which we can do, instead of waiting for someone else to do it for us, or waiting for a certain date in which we'll be absolved of our responsibilities.

Moreover, if we really are co-creators, then 4D isn't going to just magically appear. We aren't going to go poof in an instant. As Edgar Cayce said, "You don't go to heaven; you grow to heaven!"

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  As is being discussed in 6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?, a fairly substantial argument can be made that, throughout history, every attempt to impose higher density values upon a third density culture has backfired bigtime.

Of course. Key word here being impose. Look at what happened to those Wanderers who woke up in 4D negative, "disconcerted." But there's a big difference between imposing values on others, and inspiring others to adopt those values.



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07-26-2011, 07:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 07:13 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(07-26-2011, 06:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

Respectfully, I disagree. While any process of introspection will undoubtedly yield higher understanding, and all points of view are valid from their own perspective, that doesn't necessarily mean that all points of view are valid from our perspective.

Huh? You respectfully disagreed and then restated what I had just said.

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:In the case of your example - eating animals - I respectfully submit that it's a cop-out to just "wait for 4D" when animals are suffering in the here and now, and we have the power to do something about it.

OK, you know what? This is getting ridiculous. OK, fine, if the Ra material is the "end all, be all" source of all spiritual truth then where does is say that eating meat is wrong? Hmm? Can you provide any quotes from the Ra material to support such a view? If vegetarianism is the one true way to eat, then how do YOU reconcile that with these statements?

Quote:102.16 Questioner: Could Ra please state which foods are highly probable to not cause the spasming?

Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

Quote:40.14 Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing respect for the self. In addition, though this has not been mentioned for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.

Quote:18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

Quote:83.27 Questioner: I noticed you started this session with “I communicate now” and you usually use “We communicate now.” Is there any significance or difference with respect to that, and then is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or to improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We am Ra. You may see the grammatical difficulties of your linguistic structure in dealing with a social memory complex. There is no distinction between the first person singular and plural in your language when pertaining to Ra.

We offer the following, not to infringe upon your free will, but because this instrument has specifically requested information as to its maintenance and the support group does so at this querying. We may suggest that the instrument has two areas of potential distortion, both of which may be aided in the bodily sense by the ingestion of those things which seem to the instrument to be desirable. We do not suggest any hard and fast rulings of diet although we may suggest the virtue of the liquids. The instrument has an increasing ability to sense that which will aid its bodily complex. It is being aided by affirmations and also by the light which is the food of the density of resting.

So what is it, then? Is Ra "right" or "wrong"? Or is Ra only infallible to the point at which they do not support your personal dietary preferences?
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07-26-2011, 07:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 07:17 PM by Monica.)
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(07-26-2011, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  OK, you know what? This is getting ridiculous. OK, fine, if the Ra material is the "end all, be all" source of all spiritual truth then where does is say that eating meat is wrong? Hmm? Can you provide any quotes from the Ra material to support such a view? If vegetarianism is the one true way to eat, then how do YOU reconcile that with these statements?

Looks like I hit a nerve. Was it my use of the word "cop-out"? Sorry, but I'm just expressing my opinion. I do think it's a cop-out to "wait until 4D". It wasn't directed at you personally!

The meat discussion is in another thread. Those quotes are all discussed there. I was simply responding to what you said, and you gave dealing with the subject of eating animals as an example of "waiting until 4D" and I strongly disagree with that. But to discuss diet/eating animals as a topic, let's go to the other thread. Let's not derail this one, ok? Wink

(07-26-2011, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  So what is it, then? Is Ra "right" or "wrong"? Or is Ra only infallible to the point at which they do not support your personal dietary preferences?

That's a bit of a jab, being that I've already answered that, multiple times, on the other thread, and if you read my responses, then you know that's not true at all.

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(06-29-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Here's how 4D positives do battle. "I love you. I accept you. I love you. I accept you" they order a retreat when they start thinking "i find it difficult to accept you. RETREAT"

Or was it:

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I'M SORRY
I FORGIVE YOU
I LOVE YOU
THANK YOU

[The above was taken from a PM from Bring4th_Monica referring to the practice of Hoʻoponopono. I hope it is OK to use this without her permission. Wink ]


(07-26-2011, 06:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Moreover, if we really are co-creators, then 4D isn't going to just magically appear. We aren't going to go poof in an instant. As Edgar Cayce said, "You don't go to heaven; you grow to heaven!"

Would you mind reconciling your statement with this Q'uote from the in/famous 2/13 session on 2013? I am attempting to figure something out here:

Q'uo Wrote:Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

Also I would like to revisit the next paragraph. This is a bit curious to me what Q'uo says here:

Q'uo Wrote:Third-density Earth is an Earth whose light is waning. While it will remain third-density, it will no longer support third-density entities in their seeking of the truth. Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012. Thusly, 2013 upon your planet will look very much like 2012 upon your planet. However, you will find that your population of entities grows more and more interested and fascinated with the reparation of the Earth and the healing of what you call your Mother Earth or Gaia.

It seems to me that, even three or four hundred years from now [I think I heard somewhere else 150?], then the light will go "poof" in an instant. Sooner or later will be the very last moment of 3D light.

Q'uo goes on to say:

Q'uo Wrote:Those who incarnate at this time upon Planet Earth, that is, after 2012, will be those whose experiences in other incarnations have carried with them an element of adhering karma because of the destruction of their Earth whether it be this Earth and the destruction of Atlantis, or Maldek, or Mars, or several other Earths that created an uninhabitable third-density planet and thusly needed to finish third density upon Planet Earth. There are quite a few millions of those who feel that desire at this time to be part of the healing of the Mother. And there is great joy in contemplating that healing.

Fourth-density Earth is an entirely different sphere, within which third density is nested. And as fourth-density light becomes that which your sun is capable of offering, that fourth-density Earth shall more and more become populated by those from third-density Earth who have graduated in a positive sense and wish to move on. It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.

We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

The highlights:

A. After 2012. Even still here we have a clear demarcation point. Do you imagine that this would be noticeable to any of us who are expecting it? If so, what do you suppose it would look like?

B. Healing of the Mother. I am confused here... isn't Mother Earth already vibrating happily in 4D? I also notice previously that Q'uo uses the word "reparation" which has a distinct connotation apart from "repair". Thoughts?

C. They are saying clearly that there are two separate spheres. Do you suppose there might be a period where travel back and forth between the two could be achieved?

D. It will be a long time before 3D entities will be able to see 4D entities. What? I thought the 3D entities were leaving. Huh And I thought that learning to be invisible to 3D was a late 4D lesson. Isn't this why the 3D sphere needs to go "poof" before 4D can get going in full swing?

E. They less "less comfortable or naturally obvious". What do you think they are talking about by these terms?

F. It seems natural for a person to think... but it isn't at all true. What does this say for "creating our own reality" with respect to this experience?

G. Q'uo says electrically-driven bodies in contrast to chemical which is the same as Ra said. So... if there are now 3D/4D hybrid bodies on this planet... do they require physical food? Or what? Seems like they would be able to live off of particle currents and geomagnetism, or something like that.



[THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A REPLY TO BRING4TH_MONICA]

I am now in the process of revisiting the ideas I previously forwarded here in this thread.

If I perhaps didn't make it clear at the time... I was writing in a very "stream of consciousness" sort of fashion and at the time had massive amounts of information that I had just dumped into the system, so to speak. It wasn't intended to be taken as fact- however I can say that the post was inspired as I was putting some of these things together "in the moment" as I was writing about them.

I should also point out that I had not recently prior had a re-reading of the Ra material, and was drawing from my memory which is admittedly, not the best. It is one of the side effects of wearing a heavy veil. Please keep this in mind, and forgive me as I may make errors of memory again in the future.

Now that a full sixty days have passed, I am coming back and re-evaluating these statements in light of new experience and information.

There is one thing I want to make sure I have right though, as it seems to have led to all manner of confusion. Here when I said:

Tenet Nosce Wrote:This brings us to the times of the Eighteenth Dynasty in Egypt. Around 1333 BCE, Akhenaten proclaims the first truly monistic religion which proclaims the oneness of all creation. He also proclaims the first co-regency with a woman, his wife Nefertiti. Based on my reading of the Law of One, I understand this to be the time of the Ra contact.

As recounted in the Law of One, what Ra perceived to be a loving intervention had massive unforeseen ramifications, essentially creating a Wrinkle In Time. Their communication to us is part of an attempt to reduce the distortion brought about by their intervention. Even this latest attempt in 1981 which we know as the Ra material struggles immensely with a mental inertia which tends toward a particular distortion.

Firstly, I see that I had said "the" Ra contact, rather than "a" Ra contact. My apologies.

That aside, I was basically recapitulating my understanding of this quote:

2.2 Wrote:Ra: In the Eighteenth Dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. The man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, Wanderer. Thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. This young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “Ammon.” The entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. Thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. This distortion, called “Aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. However, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. This entity, Ikhnaton, became convinced that the vibration of One was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the Law of One.

However, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships.

However... I just want to make squeaky sure that I have the timing of this contact correct. Ahkenaten was pharaoh in approximately 1300 BC, which is approximately 3300 years ago, as according to the corrected date as given here:

17.0 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator.

Before we communicate by answer we shall correct an error which we have discovered in the transmission of our information to you. We have difficulty dealing with your time/space. There may again be errors of this type. Feel free to question us that we may recalculate in your time/space measurements.

The error we have discovered concerns one of the arrivals of both the Orion group into your planetary sphere of influence and the corresponding arrival of emissaries of the Confederation. We gave dates of 2,600 years for the Orion entry, 2,300 for Confederation entry. This is incorrect. The recalculation indicates numbers 3,600 for Orion entry, 3,300 for Confederation entry.


This is 3,300 years ago, meaning 1300 BC, meaning the time of Ra contact with Akhenaten. Is this correct?


I would also like to offer this quote with respect to dates and other numbers in the material. I think this is important to keep in mind:

Ra Wrote:Therefore, we have the most difficulty sharing numerical concepts with you and take this opportunity to repeat our request that you monitor our numbers and query any that seem questionable.

Notable is that Ra asked L/L to monitor their numbers. Now why would they ask this if there were no possibility of an error going uncorrected?


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09-13-2011, 08:30 PM,
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
(07-23-2011, 03:22 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  I'm not sure censor accurately describes L/L Research's motivation. I think it was more that when they originally published books 1-4 they didn't think their personal dramas were interesting or relevant to what they hoped was a philosophical investigation into the nature of reality.
My apologies for using the word "censor" which tends to have negative connotations. I simply mean redaction. And I do understand the motivations you described.

What I am suggesting is perhaps that L/L didn't realize that their personal dramas are both interesting AND relevant into this investigation. It is precisely where the "rubber meets the road", in my humble opinion.

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09-13-2011, 08:46 PM,
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(09-13-2011, 08:30 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  What I am suggesting is perhaps that L/L didn't realize that their personal dramas are both interesting AND relevant into this investigation. It is precisely where the "rubber meets the road", in my humble opinion.

I agree. I think that in 1984 they didn't realize that, but that by 1998, when they published Book V, they did get it. I think the whole saga with Ra, the negative friend, and Carla, Don, and Jim's efforts to stay balanced and polarized is quite compelling. It's a remarkable example of the joys and the perils of working with such an intense light.

Here are some comments from Carla in Book V that seem relevant:

Quote:By this time, it may seem to you that psychic greetings were really occupying our time. You would be right. As Jim and Ra both say, it is easier to be noticed when you’re standing in a spotlight. Metaphysically, the contact with those of Ra was a blinding cynosure. Although we continued to be obscure and completely anonymous in any earthly sense, we had become very noticeable to “the loyal opposition.”

To my mind, the fatal weakness of our group was its humanity, in dealing with three-ness. Although in fact our consciously known energies were in perfect harmony and agreement, there were human distortions from below the level of conscious control, that allowed a wedge to be driven in between Don and me, so he lost faith in “us.” When he began experiencing this profound depression which seemed to overtake him at a crawling, yet inexorable pace, his utter disdain for any opinion but his own did not stand him in good stead. This was the beginning of a pattern that in the end turned fatal and ended my beloved companion’s life, and dear Ra’s contact with our group.

Does this constitute a suggestion that a group should not work unless the energies are two-by-two, and only couples can join in? Not specifically, I do not think, but it is certainly something to ponder. Could we have done better? After years of the Joyceian “agenbite of inwit,” I still do not think we could have. Our behavior was at all times a true manifestation of ourselves. In no wise did either Jim or myself ever even think to change the relationship with each other, or with Donald. And Don had ever kept his own counsel, and there was no hope that he would come to me or Jim and tell us what worries he had in his mind and heart.

Further, when any group works and lives together, regardless of whether the number is paired or singles are mixed in, there will always be human error in the manifested life of each, and to the extent that people’s distortions and fears have a dynamic, there will be misunderstandings and confusion, pulling back and apart from total trust. So it behooves all those working with the light, hoping to be a positive influence on the planetary consciousness to communicate at once those fears and doubts that might pile up inside. If we had ever been able to talk with total openness, Don and I, I think I could have set his mind at ease. But Don would not have been himself if he had done so. Nor would I have been myself if I had somehow known Don was doubting my fidelity. Being within my self, I cannot imagine, either then or now, anyone thinking that I would be disloyal or untrue to any agreement. I have never done that in this incarnation.

Ultimately, one looks at such a pickle as we got into, and knows its utter perfection and inevitability. I have and will always think of Don, my B.C., every hour of every day, and his suffering is ever before me. But I no longer feel the keen sorrow that laid me low for the first few years after his death. All is well, nothing is lost. And I can feel the sun on my face this day, without the urge I used to have to stay in the shade and mourn my losses. Time has restored my broken spirit, and let my being flow sweetly and rhythmically again. And Donald is right here, within. Interestingly enough, we often get mail saying that Don has helped them, either with something from his work, or in an actual visitation. Don’s great generosity of spirit, freed from the constrictive hold he had on it when alive, has overflowed into timelessness, and I think his service will continue as long as there are those who need his special brand of wisdom and depth of soul.

Ra’s statement that the source of catalyst is the self, especially the higher self, is profound, I think. We always relate to the pain of new catalyst by relating to the other person as bringer of catalyst. In doing so we forget that the other is ourselves. Not LIKE ourselves, but our very hearts and souls. In this way of seeing, we can look at the fullness of tragedy in Don’s and my illness and his death as the Creator serving the creator with exactly the catalyst needed for the utmost polarization in consciousness and the greatest growth of spirit. In opening his heart, Don fell ill and died, in the tradition of lost love and desperate romance that has moved us since the beginning of history. And that death was an utter giving away of self. It was as though Don finished everything else he wished to do in life, and then took on the personal reason he had come to earth’s physical plane: the opening of his heart. He was so very wise—and with the sacrifice of self in the most brutal, literal sense, that wisdom was balanced fully with compassion and open-hearted love.

As for me, I cannot fault the path that stubbornly sent my soul to batter against the walls of self until I at last began struggling to express wisdom as well as love in my life. Such were our gifts to each other; such are the currents between us all.
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09-16-2011, 12:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-16-2011, 12:27 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
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seejay21 Wrote:There is nothing to prepare you for the reality of war, of killing other selves. Who new?

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Who knew? Well just about everybody that has ever gone to war. That's who. Our ancestors, our parents, our children, our brothers and sisters. You can hardly look around this place for more than a few minutes without being reminded about the travesty of war.
Just watched this:

[video=googlevideo]video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5188599301918606321[/video]

I found this experience to be quite humbling and my heart went out to these men and women. They showed me how exactly they had been manipulated into choosing war, and now I feel quite foolish for previously failing to understand.

Interestingly, we decided to watch this on Netflix after learning today that our neighbor's son decided to join the military. Undecided

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04-15-2012, 10:30 AM,
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
hello Mr Monkey.

haven't read the whole thread (too many replies lol), but have bitten snippets here and there. I had a thought about the "more positive but less harvestable" angle on the train to work tonight.

my reading of it was: more positive (increased green ray, love), but less harvestable (less balanced, energy centers not in sync).

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I think it highlights again the importance of BALANCE when it comes to viewing oneself.

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04-16-2012, 11:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2012, 08:23 PM by xise.)
RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
More Positive but Less Harvestable:

My interpretation of Ra's words on Patton:

His incarnation believed in many things necessary for service to others, including recognizing universal love.

However, his belief in lack of forgiveness was strengthened, and while ultimately his overall positivity increased - that is, got closer to STO of 51%, his strong incarnative belief that some are not deserving of forgiveness developed in him a karma that will be a roadblock to surpassing 51%. Thus, at the same time, he got closer in percentage, but acquired a strong block that will need to be undone in order to be harvestable.

Contrast with the man who is lost, discovers universal love, and then move toward STO of 51%, but while he doesn't understand forgiveness he has not actively rejected forgiveness, he has both gained positive polarity and not developed any strong incarnative experiences that would preventing him learning about forgiveness in the future.

Another more mathematical example would be someone who was 10% STO, and then made a soul decision to do exactly 45% STO, but only 45% because of certain beliefs that would prevent it from going over 45% (maybe due to strong beliefs that forgiveness is wrong, or strong beliefs that evil and ugliness should be killed off by force)...

EDIT: The Patton example brings home a personal stumbling block. I believe my incarnative lesson is self-love. I was always born a loving and caring person, but I lacked self-love due to certain parental experiences...but after conquering that, and forgiving my parents, and completely loving them (recently, past year)...I still notice that catalyst have been given that cause me to question my own self-love/self-esteem/view of self (orange ray blockage Smile)...thus while I want to dedicate my life to STO, I need to be able to balance my own centers and my view of myself in order to surpass 51% and become harvestable.

It's weird, my rationale mind recognizes, especially since from my STS path type years, I empirically am an awesome person when I would engage in competitive activities (career, interactions with women, intelligence), in many aspects...and I love helping others when my mental state is good...yet I still suffer from serious self-doubt on occasion...haha the 3D material world would probably say I needed meds.

That being said, I haven't really suffered depression in the past few years, so things are definitely better Smile

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