07-15-2011, 01:36 PM
That's a cool idea Tenet, and if you consider that we die in this manner in absolutely every moment you can perhaps see the way the memory of our life is kept in record!
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07-15-2011, 01:36 PM
That's a cool idea Tenet, and if you consider that we die in this manner in absolutely every moment you can perhaps see the way the memory of our life is kept in record!
07-15-2011, 10:30 PM
Thinking about it again, I'm not sure I'd want to activate a 4D body and then live 90,000 more years in 4D without the rest that comes in time/space. I don't think I have the mental discipline to keep from damaging things around me, plus I don't think I'm ready to be able to handle 4D catalyst.
I think I'm moving at the right pace. I'm facing a good amount of catalyst here in 3D now, unless I'm mistaken and we're already in 4D. It's a confusing topic, are we 3D or 4D now?
07-15-2011, 10:47 PM
(07-15-2011, 10:30 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: It's a confusing topic, are we 3D or 4D now?As I understand it, the 4D sphere exists but the nature of perceiving it requires more and more bodies to create the experience together and manifest the sphere, so to speak. I like to imagine those that incarnate with dual-bodies as carrying a 4D field or charge around them. As more are added with this field that they carry, the collective experience of 4D becomes more lucid and tangible, setting into place as the field grows stronger.
Right now, I think we're in the square root of 12, or 3.3166247903554D. But who's counting? (I just finished my coffee, so something snarky in my brain got stimulated--sorry.)
In my best awareness these days, I think that we have moved off of dead center of 3D, despite the major discomfort of unrelenting catalycism (I like that word; did I make it up?). I have a LOT of stuff on my plate nowadays, can easily wail and gnash teeth, yet overall I'm happy to have been born into all of this craziness. It's a front-row seat! The remaining questions in my mind, and most everyone's here, are: Will the stepping over the border of 3D-4D be smooth or rough and sooner or later? Even though I vote for smooth and soon, I believe that rough and long would be the most memorable and exciting. My guess is pretty smooth a la Icaro, but no idea how long from now. We may only recognize the change in hindsight. :idea: Maybe we should just assume that we are living in 4D now and see how that works out.
07-16-2011, 02:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2011, 02:04 PM by AnthroHeart.)
I like that. Since the 8th subdensity of 3rd is the same as 1st subdensity of 4th, who's to say if early 4th might be much different. Last night I was outside and felt totally at peace and connected with everything so if we're not there, I feel we are very close.
I have definitely thought about how ironic it would be if we were already in 4th and it's just our beliefs that are keeping up the appearance of 3rd. (07-16-2011, 01:52 PM)kycahi Wrote: :idea: Maybe we should just assume that we are living in 4D now and see how that works out.
07-16-2011, 04:56 PM
We are yet to pass the threshold. Im glad to hear that someone finds peace in this world of conflict. Inner peace.
love
07-19-2011, 08:29 PM
I love how this thread has evolved ... I'm very new to this forum -- hi everyOne! It's wonderful to connect with other selves around the Ra Material.
My big realization today is that I don't want to avoid the bliss just because there's pain (or longing) contained within it. I read today in the 'Wanderer's Handbook' something to that effect. That when we can accept it ALL and not avoid the pain, we're on to true conscious experience. My prayer lately is that I don't want to miss IT ...that is .... all the beauty and majesty that's around me NOW. I found that one thing keeping me asleep to it all was the exquisite pain that can ride along with exquisite beauty. When I'm in the bliss of NOW, I tend to experience this longing to share the unsharable and that realization brings the pain of alone-ness, or separation, then I let that bring me down and out of it. I've just decided to embrace that pain and let that just be part of it -- not run from it -- and see what happens. Some ways up this thread, there was talk about how if they (can't remember who - sorry!) were sitting on the porch with the Masters (Ra Collective) it would be soooo painful when they left. I have 'sat on the porch' with a True Avatar on this plane (Mata Amritanandamayi Devi or, Amma) many times and, yes, the heart breaks and tears flow when they depart ... then there comes a time when we realize they're never gone from us, really. We're kind of forced into that understanding by the pain of their leaving. I will go through that pain of 'separation' as many times as it takes for me to realize that there is no separation! As far as whether we're in 3D or 4D now ..... hmmmm .... I like what Icaro said: "I like to imagine those that incarnate with dual-bodies as carrying a 4D field or charge around them" ... I tend to think (today, anyway) as we place more and more consciousness in our hearts and work in the world from that space, we build and grow that 4D field .... then .... we're constantly, to one degree or another, slipping between the two states and at some point our awareness will come to rest primarily in the 4D. I'm gonna try on that perception for a while and see how it feels! It has been my experience that rushing these things (if we can) creates a rebound effect and we end up taking one leap forward and five stumbles back! Slow and steady as she goes .... Sorry this was so long, but it's my first post! So glad to meet up here and thanks for reading ... looking forward to hearing more from everyone. Offered in love.
07-19-2011, 08:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-19-2011, 08:52 PM by AnthroHeart.)
Welcome to the forum Amara. Sounds great about your avatar experiences. I haven't actually sat with or had a clear talk with any higher beings. Although I do on a telepathic level. So I've never experienced sadness when they "depart" because I can always initiate a connection if I wish.
07-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Welcome Amara! That would be amazing to be able to have an actual chat with a higher being, I wish for it but it hasn't come yet.
I was reading last night (from bashar) that you can't force the changes to happen because by doing so that space remains filled and there is no room for new ideas/changes to come in. You have to stop thinking for a while to create an empty space, then everything you ask for will start to happen. This has been helpful because I'm way too enthusiastic and want things now, and then feel disheartened when nothing happens. As for 4d though, I'm so ready for it, bring it on
07-21-2011, 09:51 PM
Thanks so much for the warm welcomes ....
I've been reluctant to post about this directly because I'm super sensitive about being seen as proselytizing, however ... since two people have mentioned it, I thought I would go ahead and offer this: There ARE avatars on this planet, and some make themselves very available to all who wish to be in their presence. They're just not in the type of package, perhaps, that we would automatically choose or expect. My Teacher that I mentioned above, Amma (some know her as 'the Hugging Saint'), is the only True avatar on the planet presently that I know personally and can bear witness to (I know there are others, just haven't put the time to researching who -- it's a tricky business finding the genuine article!). Just being in Her presence is transformative, but the more I learn about Her life, how selflessly She spends each moment of Her life, is beyond inspiring. She was born 'awake' and is tapped into source, without a doubt. She eats very little and rests maybe one or two hours a day, the balance of Her time is spent tirelessly about the business of clothing, feeding, sheltering, doctoring and otherwise bringing compassionate comfort to many thousands of people around the world. She's the ultimate Mother, demanding nothing of us, only wanting to give her Self in compassionate service. And with that attitude, teaches us how to give selflessly as well. Ours is not so much an intellectual connection (that's what I get from Ra), but a more experiential, constant guidance to where we both want me to go (4D), sort of relationship. What I loved in reading the Ra Material is that they advocate the same path of Selfless Service that Amma teaches and models for us. One of her devotees once asked Amma, "You work constantly -- don't you ever get tired?" Amma replied, "Where there's Love, there is no effort." Like I say, I'm sure there are others, I just happen to be connected deeply with Amma and am not really inclined to look further. So, all that being said, we don't have to just be connected to the Ascended Masters through channeling or meditation, etc. They are also in body on the planet (thank goodness!) You can learn more about Amma at Amma.org, or Her many humanitarian activities at EmbracingTheWorld.org. Just thought you'd like to know. Offered in Love ....
07-21-2011, 11:53 PM
Wow, I will look into Amma. But please do not hesitate in sharing your own light and experiences with us - while there is reason to be cautious on the net, I hope you will find joy here with us. I can only speak for myself but I look forward to anything you wish to share.
07-22-2011, 12:25 PM
Thank you so much Nyu ....I'm so grateful to be where I am right now ... here and Here! I'll go ahead and fill out my profile, then
I've only been exposed to the Ra Material for a little over a year, which is surprising for me since it resonates so deeply. I suppose I just couldn't experience it until now. Funny how understanding unfolds sometimes. I love seeing the Perfection in things like that ... it helps me to relax and know it's all done ... I just have to keep choosing Love so I can enjoy the ride and take it all in! I guess that's the gist of it for me ... I guess I'm here on this forum like everyone else. Most of the people in my life are about growing in consciousness for sure, and those with Amma about Selfless Service as well, but because the Ra Material is so specific in its angle of perception and even has its own vernacular, it's great to connect with others on this level and reinforce what I'm experiencing ... which leads me back to our topic ... Penetrating the Forgetting ... As appealing as it may seem to consciously access a knowing of who we are beyond the story of 'us' in this illusion, I have to agree that we did go to an awful lot of trouble to create the veil of forgetting and agreed to be subject to it when we came here. That being said, maybe we've taken full advantage of said veil, it's not of value to us any more (I mean, we're here talking about it, right?) and I can see us just naturally gaining greater and deeper perspective of Reality from this point forward. I'm sure we all know we've stepped across a threshold that many on this planet haven't dared to even glimpse. That same yearning that got us this far will pull us forward into remembering Who we Are. Remembering may not happen in our 'conscious' reality as we're moving about in our mundane lives perhaps the way we would want, like intense flashes of alien landscapes and cultures. However, if everything is metaphor, perhaps if we look at who we are now within the illusion, examine what we have come to truly value and look at what we've manifested in our lives without the judgement that we've done it all unconsciously, maybe there are clues to who we were before we were here. For example, both my husband and I grew up in sub-tropic Georgia, but are now blissfully living in the California High Desert. We feel sooooo at home here. It makes no sense whatsoever! However, I just read about someone's remembering of the planet that they came from and it was desert-like. I never considered that before! Fun. I have to say, tho, rather than linger around remembering yet another illusory life, I'm more compelled to just jump directly to identifying with Source. That's where my true longing springs from. All the rest will fall into place from there, eh? Ahhhh, another long post ... I'm not nearly so long-winded in person! Offered in Love ...
07-24-2011, 10:02 PM
(07-14-2011, 10:37 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It makes me look at how many many blockages I have created for myself. I don't need a color to attach them to. I can simply review myself and see that I block right and left. Quote:52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance? |
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