Polarizing toward harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration
07-28-2009, 01:56 PM,
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RE: Polarizing towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration
Very astute points, Hkelukka!
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08-03-2009, 11:41 AM,
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During my morning reading of the Law of One, I was drawn to the following quote:

The Law of One, Book 1, Session 7 Wrote:Questioner: At what point would this calling be great enough for you to come openly among the people on Earth? How many entities on Earth would have to call the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not calculate the possibility of coming among your peoples by the numbers of calling, but by a consensus among an entire societal-memory complex which has become aware of the infinite consciousness of all things. This has been possible among your peoples only in isolated instances.

In the case wherein a social memory complex which is a servant of the Creator sees this situation and has an idea for the appropriate aid which can only be done among your peoples, the social memory complex desiring this project lays it before the Council of Saturn. If it is approved, quarantine is lifted.

We do know that there have been a few instances in the past where this happened. Most notably perhaps when the Confederation appeared to the society of South Americans that were harvestable after the second minor cycle.

This begged the question to me if, perhaps through Bring4th or similar forums one were able to create a virtual "societal-memory complex which has become aware of the infinite consciousness of all things" that might be able to appeal to an appropriate Social Memory Complex, such as those of Ra to enact a more direct communication.

Then again, for all we know, that has already happened, and Ra himself is posting here under a pseudonym.Wink

Not likely, I'll grant you, but still it's fun think about.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset
Ra Book III Session 65.
Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
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08-18-2009, 11:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-26-2009, 04:12 PM by Steppingfeet.)
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RE: Polarizing towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration
Really enjoying this thread. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Hkelukka Wrote:Love of self is also love, choice to love self is a free will choice. The choice to choose an STO path, to help others is inherently no better than a choice to choose an STS path, all being essentially one and polarization being a tool for the greater whole to study itself more efficiently.

Hello Hkelukka. From the largest perspective available to my thinking mind, I agree entirely and unequivocally with your statement that there is no "better than" when it comes to polarity. In fact, as you mention above, the introduction of the experiment with the veil of forgetting, resulting in the unanticipated “service to self” polarity, aided the One to bring to fruition and make more efficient its original design of spiritual evolution through a curriculum of densities. As Ra says, our experience is more “vivid” as a result.

However, as an entity of the positive polarity, an entity whose thinking falls within the realm of ranking things using terms such as "better" and "worse", I cannot help but think that the positive polarity is the superior of the two.

Recognizing my judgment of "better" to have meaning and applicability only within the domain of my relative and subjective experience, I nonetheless feel it the better polarity for reasons such as: it is this polarity that partakes of the Creator with decreasingly less illusion, the polarity that seeks to honor and become what already IS, and the polarity which, as exemplified in your own post, seeks to allow others to be as they are. It is a path of radiating endless rays of healing and melting love, of shining clarity and light where before there was confusion and darkness; a path of embracing all and abhorring none; a path of becoming who you already are.

As you know, the negative polarity knows no such beauty, no such fulfillment, no such meaning and joy bigger than the boundaries of the negative entity. A path of pain and darkness for the self, it is predicated on that which is not and inevitably creates pain and darkness for others.

I grok that the Law of One blinks neither the light nor the dark but is available for both polarities and that polarity, like everything else we perceive, does not really exist. As Ra says, every iota contains (as in the hologram) the one infinite creator. Those of the negative polarity therefore are no less Creator than those of the positive, and ultimately serve the beneficent purpose of being catalyst for the development of will and faith, yet I cannot see the equality of their path with the positive because they choose to see a partial, fragmented, and distorted truth, that being that the Creator exists only within themselves.

So what I am saying is that I simultaneously agree and disagree with you. : )

Hkelukka Wrote:Thus the very reason for an entire planet to polarize towards STO or STS needs to be, as far as i see, in the desire of the people on the planet.


My understanding is congruent with your own here, but I believe that 3D Sunset is not talking about forcibly reorienting the desires of the planetary population, rather he is seeking to create an atmosphere, so to speak, within which more of the Creator's truth is open and apparent so that all upon this planet might together desire what is already here.

That would be the hope at any rate. The key principle which makes this an action in alignment with the positive polarity is the non-attachment to any specific outcome in rendering this action. The positive entity can offer this type of service with this type of hope but can let the cards fall where they may with gratitude for any and all outcomes.

Negative philosophy operates with promises of a better future and will justify any and all means, including violent ones, to secure that future. Positive philosophy, at its purest, makes its best effort but accepts, in terms of non-resistance and unstinting love, that which is.

I believe that this passage from Session 17 of Book I that Lavazza quoted in another thread gets to the heart of what it means to serve others by means of creating an atmosphere within which those others may make their choice.

Quote:Session 17
Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

...

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

I may be misunderstanding 3D Sunset, but I don’t believe he is promoting a “conversion” of those of service to self orientation to service to others orientation. Rather he is advocating for the creation of a planetary-wide atmosphere whose substance consists more fully of positive understanding and positive energies.

Entities experiencing such an atmosphere (in which darkness decreases in direct proportion to the increase of light) could, if they still chose, retain their polarity. Ra mentioned in the Law of One books that polarizing negatively in an extremely positive atmosphere, while difficult, is not impossible. (Not true in the converse, unfortunately.)

What do you think?

Hkelukka Wrote:I understand that the vision of an entirely STO harvest is a beautiful one and I am not contesting that. I am pointing out that harvest, any harvest, is a beautiful event and the desire for the whole planet to harvest into STO is certainly against the will of those who wish to harvest to an STS…

I think that one of the key principles differentiating positive and negative approaches to life is witnessed in their respective understandings of the concept of free will. The positive polarity's efforts are directed towards the atmosphere or environment of an entity such that free will be preserved and the entity be given new opportunities of choice. The negative polarity seeks to control not only the atmosphere but the other-self altogether.

Thusly do I not entirely agree with your statement that this type of hope - and the work that results from that hope - is categorically an infringement upon the will of those seeking the path of the negative polarity. To work towards a unified service-to-others harvest does not necessarily contain seeds of negative thought, though with just the slightest twist it certainly can, of course.

Hkelukka Wrote:It is a beautiful vision, i cant talk for anyone else, but for me, it appears as a vision that would lead many STO wanderers astray. I can explain more of this if you wish but if you desire i will not speak of it any more. I do not wish to infringe upon your vision.

Hkelukka, if you have more to share and it is on topic and within the guidelines, you will not be “infringing” on any one’s vision! Please do share if you see cause to share.

Love and Light,
GLB

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08-21-2009, 02:35 PM,
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RE: Polarizing towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration
(08-18-2009, 11:40 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  
Hkelukka Wrote:It is a beautiful vision, i cant talk for anyone else, but for me, it appears as a vision that would lead many STO wanderers astray. I can explain more of this if you wish but if you desire i will not speak of it any more. I do not wish to infringe upon your vision.

Hkelukka, if you have more to share and it is on topic and within the guidelines, you will not be “infringing” on any one’s vision! Please do share if you see cause to share.

Hi Hkelukka,

I just wanted to second Gary's call here. After re-reading my earlier post, it occurred to me that I sounded less than enthusiastic to hear your perspective on how the vision may create an issue for wanderers.

Your thoughts are most welcomed,

3D Sunset
Ra Book III Session 65.
Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
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08-26-2009, 04:30 AM,
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I apologize for my late response, there are some things in my personal life that I am trying to handle but it takes time and effort.

I will attempt to clarify myself on 2 positions here, firstly how working towards a unified polarization can lead to pitfalls if one isn’t exceptionally careful and secondly how such a polarization and polarization in general should, as far as I see, be achieved.

As I said, the idea of a completely STO polarized harvest is possible and while there is nothing inherently dangerous about a completely STO harvest in its own there are risk when one tries to accomplish it. If we look at this question from the point of view of the universe, as we understand it as explained by Ra. As a self aware entity attempting to understand itself better and applying the principle of polarization to generate force towards understanding. Granted my understanding of it is rather novel and I am unsure if these are the precise words used.

It brings to mind the magnet, one end positively polarized will always bring another end negatively polarized and a negative polarization will bring about a positive polarization and vice versa. Thusly all actions aimed towards polarization in general would, in some form bring about polarization of the opposite as well, perhaps in ways subtle beyond our ability to observe. From this it would be possible to surmise that given the universes apparent preference for the generation of force through the medium of polarization that which polarization is chosen is in itself not of value from the point of view of the universe. The next perception or observance from this vision is that what matters is the polarization of the individual in accordance with the desire of that individual and progress along the path. If an individual’s desire is for an STS polarization certainly their polarization and desire can be changed by encasing them in a situation where the STS polarization no longer offers them the best possibility for individual gain. Just as an entity polarized towards the STO can be made to change their polarization by encasing them in a situation of sheer darkness where an STO polarized entity is unable to act. The latter scenario was described in the RA material when Laura attempted to communicate with RA alone instead of the support group.

A change in polarization is easy to do, both willingly and as a vessel of another entity’s will, or in other words, forced conversion. While there are no ethical problems from the point of view of the universe in regard to forced conversion there is, however, a question of if it is a matter for an STO organized entity. Or, to phrase it into an age old question, does the end justify the means, and if so, what then separates our actions from the actions of others. Is the only qualifier that separates the STO actions from the STS actions the love of others? Can then an STS entity that loves the self more than others simply withdraw to a corner of the universe, never bothering another entity simply seeing quiet solitude as the best, if painfully slow, way to accomplish its aim be morally more reprehensible than a crusader who, in faith that their end is justified destroys worlds and forces conversion. Or to put it in another way, can you kill someone for love or can you love yourself and thus refuse kill.
This relates to my original point in several ways, working towards unified anything will invariably include working with other people. Other people almost invariably have different opinions on how to act and what is the proper action, this is, I believe, the task of the late 3rd early and mid 4th, to organize into larger wholes and work towards a shared goal. This is precisely the reason why polarization was invented, according to Ra. So that larger wholes can form and work towards shared goals and as a larger whole cannot form or hold if it contains the opposite polarization without losing significant polarization and force on its own polarizations tend to repel or reject each other. STO through not accepting the STS vision being offered and the STS through not being able to control others. Due to the inherent organizational abilities of each polarization structures and organizations tend to form in both camps in the 4th density. This as I said, requires both polarizations to be separate from one another and progress is directed more at improving the self or the group most associated with the self due to the very virtue of being separate entities.

Now, as to the core of the issue, as Ra said when referencing the atlanteans. Their fall came when they spent their time focusing on the improvement of their surroundings and other organisms rather than on their self evolution. This is one of the main pitfalls, that focus is drawn to those that want a different polarization and trying to get them to agree with our polarization when their polarization is inherently as good as ours is. While it is of course possible to get an STS polarized entity to change sides, both by the use of forced conversion or by simply enough interactions this is not, on its own, of benefit to the universe if polarization in itself and through that force is the goal of the universe. A more beneficial goal might be the desire for all to graduate and polarize and of those the highest possible amount being of STO polarization. This in itself is also of little meaning.

As I see it, it is correct that the idea of working towards a full planetary polarization of STO nature will lessen the load in the long term and aid the harvest. If it aids the harvest towards STO or STS is what I am bringing to the topic.

"May all those who wish to polarize, polarize"
"To all those souls willing and able to hear, if you wish to polarize towards STO and are working towards polarizing into STO may your path lead you to me if it benefits us both so that we may both polarize more towards STO."

And the final one for the not faint of heart:

"To all those souls willing and able to hear, if you wish to polarize towards STS and are working towards polarizing into STS may your path lead you away from me if it benefits us both so that we may both polarize more towards our desires."

It is possible to gain a planetary polarization event fully into the STO, this does however require all STS polarized souls to either convert or leave, as most will likely not be enough polarized to make the conversion most or at least a large enough percentage will have to leave. Polarizing strongly enough towards STO on a large enough basis will shove the STS polarized organisms off the planet as they no longer stand to gain polarization in a non receptive environment, this would however require termination of their physical body's before graduation as without this a slight STS polarization would stay present while graduating into the 4thD and from there remove itself to another world as both the STS and STO would.

A totally STO polarized harvest requires those of the STS physical body to either convert or die and move elsewhere. This is the culmination of the STO work towards unifying a single planet where dissident voices would remain. As this situation would require all 3rdD souls to have chosen either STO or STS and graduated to the 4th before no more potential for 3rd D willing conversion remains and only possibility to increase their spheres of influence would be to take it from the other side. In this situation I posit that if the STS organized memory complex would refuse to leave the STO would. The STO side would know that there are no more souls willing to convert to the STO side and due to that any work remaining there would involve forcing the STS to convert and as this is not the STO way the STO would leave.

In the end I posit this:
Work towards the largest possible polarization towards STO but never a complete polarization. Always leave room for those who wish to have that which is not for you. Never force, never infringe and always love. Love those who chose as you do and love those who chose as you don’t. Experience is what we aim for, polarization is the means towards an end and I love my polarization and wish to continue in it and I love the opposite polarization but wish no part of it. Always help those who ask for help when the act of helping causes less harm to the polarization than is gained. One step forward and two steps back is still just one step back.

I'm hopeful this helps everyone understand my meaning a little better.
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08-28-2009, 11:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2009, 03:07 PM by 3D Sunset.)
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RE: Polarizing towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration
(08-26-2009, 04:30 AM)Hkelukka Wrote:  I'm hopeful this helps everyone understand my meaning a little better.

Hello again Hkelukka,

Thank you for returning and expounding. Your comments are well thought out and intentioned, and they resonate with me. Please allow me to restate or perhaps clarify my position on the Harvest in general and this topic in particular.

It has always been my intent to benefit the Harvest in whatever ways I can, in order to maximize it for all involved. That said, and as Gary has reminded me on occasion, I am really not sure how to serve those of STS polarity, because what I have to offer, they are not interested in receiving. And so, I find myself focusing on the STO polarity more out of efficiency of my efforts than uniqueness of my interests.

With this thread, what I am intending to do is provide additional attention on the possibility that Ra refers to in the title quote and in my signature. Like many of Ra's words, his exact meaning is ambiguous, but still his message is clear: There is always a chance that a great number of those on our planet will spontaneously unite and polarize together in "one fine, strong moment of inspiration".

As is frequently the case with threads in forums such as this, I think we tend to spend too much effort splitting the hairs, as it were, of the meaning and intent of the words, the possible outcomes, and resultant implications, more than we should. In short, if all we ever do is wonder and worry about what may result from an action, then we simply let the opportunity slip through our fingers, unrealized.

So, I applaud your insights and acknowledge your wisdom. Still I call upon you and everyone to act in whatever method you feel is appropriate, to help bring into physical reality this small container of love, light and peace on our distorted planet.

What might you and everyone do, to help grow this tiny possibility/probability vortex?

- Create the space for it to manifest. Give this jar on the cereal isle of our planet's future a moment daily in meditation/prayer/silent thought/ (or however you send love and light into our world). Accept that it is possible for Ra's statement (whatever it meant exactly) to come to fruition.

- Take conscious action, when and where you feel the pull. Listen for the call to act, and then take it. When, during your day, you take physical action to serve others, consciously affirm that action toward the cause of harmonious polarization of as large a group as possible.

- Know that it is possible. Ra would not have mentioned it, if it were not.

Some years ago, I created a mantra that I use at the conclusion of meditation to help focus my intent for the rest of my day. I goes, "Give me ears that I may hear the call, give me eyes that I may see the need, and give me strength and conviction to selflessly act in response."

Love and Light,

3D Sunset
Ra Book III Session 65.
Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
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09-06-2009, 03:13 PM,
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I grew up in a family of Jehovah's Witnesses. During the 1960's, we were told that the current "system" was about to end and a "new system" would begin on the Earth beginning October 1975. Only those within the JW fold would survive into this new system. Most of the people on this planet would be killed. We were instructed to go door to door spreading the JW message and recruiting new members in order to save as many people as possible given what little time was left.

Once again I am standing at the threshold of a "new system" on Earth, this time a fourth-density society. There is a voice from my past urging me to get the word out and bring along as many people as possible. But that is not the message from Ra. Our job is to raise our own individual consciousness and collectively we help raise the consciousness of the Earth.

What I find hardest is the definition of positive polarity as receptive yin energy. Rather than try to convert others to our way of thinking, we need to accept and receive them exactly as they are. Having been raised with an evangelical mindset, I feel the urge to "rescue" others. But that implies judgement that my way is superior to theirs. At least, this time around, I have the peace of knowing that loved ones who don't graduate will not suffer. They will simply repeat another cycle in third density . . . except for my favorite uncle. I am sure he will graduate into 4th density STS! Still, I love him dearly and accept him as he is.

I also expect most of us to be here long after 2012 has passed. So even if I succeed and graduate to the fourth density, I still expect the transition to fourth density to occur during my next incarnation. I am not anticipating a rapture or a violent Armageddon. I plan to grow old surrounded by my loved ones regarldless of their polarity. The world did not end during 1975 and many Witnesses left the orgainzation in the aftermath. Even today, there are fewer JW's in the USA than prior to Ocober 1975. With so many people expecting apocalyptic events during 2012, I would not be surprised if a great many people return to business as usual if we do not have a pole shift or some other natural disaster. That will be the true telling of polarity. It's one thing to push for STO with only three years to go. It's quite another thing to maintain an STO path if 2012 appears to pass with a yawn and we have to live out the remainder of our lives in third density.

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09-08-2009, 10:50 AM,
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(09-06-2009, 03:13 PM)godexpressing Wrote:  Rather than try to convert others to our way of thinking, we need to accept and receive them exactly as they are.

Hi Greg,

Thank you for your post. I understand your position, and I actually agree with much of what you've said. I do believe that you've misinterpreted my objectives with the thread, though. I have no interest in "rescuing" or in any way "changing" anyone. Rather, I am simply saying that we should, especially though our inner work, help create the thought/form that Ra referred to as the possibility/probability vortex that our people may "polarize toward harmony". Although I have a concept of what that might mean, I am happy to create a space for whatever may be contained in that small container that Ra saw, to come to fruition.

Love and Light,

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Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
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10-02-2009, 02:48 AM,
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Quote:This begged the question to me if, perhaps through Bring4th or similar forums one were able to create a virtual "societal-memory complex which has become aware of the infinite consciousness of all things" that might be able to appeal to an appropriate Social Memory Complex, such as those of Ra to enact a more direct communication.

Then again, for all we know, that has already happened, and Ra himself is posting here under a pseudonym

There's an abundant channel named JZ Knight who works with Ramtha, a spiritual being who has appeared to her on many occasions. Possibly she could serve as an example of a person who happens upon such form of direct communications.

I don't know what the relationship is between Ra and Ramtha. Is it possible that Ramtha is a pseudonym for Ra? Or else is Ra a nickname for Ramtha? Maybe it becomes easy to take on many different roles in the higher densities. This relates to the the idea of "the fondness in the naming."


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02-18-2010, 05:09 PM,
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I have found that there was a worldwide meditation that is done annually, and they use the resonating chamber at http://www.templeofsacredsound.org

When I go in, and do the AH meditation, it does enhance my meditations in some ways.

Though sometimes I like silence. Well, sometimes I also like incense as well. But thought this was a good place, and is worth exploring.

(07-21-2009, 06:28 AM)Sirius Wrote:  Funny you should bring that up. I feel that these mass meditations are one of the best, if not the best ways to bring about a positive change. It is a large number of people dedicating thier energy to live in a better world.
This is unfringed upon by free will. Just for interesting note, Many scientists would say we have come leaps and bounds ahead in science these last 10~15 years than any other time. It may be completely unrelated but I feel this may have something to do with the mass meditations from the past.

So would these moments correlate towards a strong moment of polarity? of which if you want to take part you are welcome and if not, burrying your head in the sand is also acceptable.

We have a 3 ways split in regards to the harvest. Making the entire populace follow one path and leaving the other 2 empty, would proove to be a lack of 'experience'? Arguably one of the reasons we are here is to experience all that we can. So this would mean that some people co0nciously/unconciouslyt want to polarise STS or not at all. They are just different paths which all lead to oneness anyway.
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03-12-2010, 10:04 AM,
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I am new here (to this site anyway) and I would like to add that in times of extreme termoil and confusion the light and strength shine through us. I feel that if there are enough of us that percieve the change without undue fear we can inspire those around us to believe for themselves and in the crutial moments a great deal of instant enlightening will take place. I will do my best to give hope inspire strength of will to those around me. Thank you all.
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03-12-2010, 10:28 AM,
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(03-12-2010, 10:04 AM)Brad N Wrote:  I am new here (to this site anyway) and I would like to add that in times of extreme termoil and confusion the light and strength shine through us. I feel that if there are enough of us that percieve the change without undue fear we can inspire those around us to believe for themselves and in the crutial moments a great deal of instant enlightening will take place. I will do my best to give hope inspire strength of will to those around me. Thank you all.

Coolness. And welcome to the forum. Big Grin
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05-23-2015, 04:35 AM,
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I did polarize the world though a divine moment of inspiration. It was coming out of the closet to my friend Charles when I had never thought I was gay but I realized my other friend was my twin flame and we were in the perfect moment but sadly Chris did not want to say it so he never told CHARLES and CHARLES never got accepted by Chris. but I did the best I could to send as much love as possible into the world Angel
should I meet up with them again to continue this world blessing? it just makes me sad when Chris denies me because he denies himself which denies God but I'm his twin flame .. love all of you and so does Creator
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05-23-2015, 09:58 PM,
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(05-23-2015, 04:35 AM)son of David Wrote:  I did polarize the world though a divine moment of inspiration. It was coming out of the closet to my friend Charles when I had never thought I was gay but I realized my other friend was my twin flame and we were in the perfect moment but sadly Chris did not want to say it so he never told CHARLES and CHARLES never got accepted by Chris. but I did the best I could to send as much love as possible into the world Angel
should I meet up with them again to continue this world blessing? it just makes me sad when Chris denies me because he denies himself which denies God but I'm his twin flame .. love all of you and so does Creator

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