Greetings from the Dark
02-20-2012, 01:00 AM,
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(02-19-2012, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:  Chiming in here even though the question wasn't asked to me...

You're essentially asking "How can one shift polarity back and forth in one lifetime and not lose contact with the roots of their being?" right?

I read somewhere (I believe it was a post on these forums) that defined polarity as "the ability to do work in consciousness". This definition helped me to understand it better. Also, the dictionary definition of polarity (the one that closely matches the spiritual concept) is "A state, or the production of a state, in which rays of light or similar radiation exhibit different properties in different directions." So in other words, a polarized lens (you) will refract/distort or make use of an increasingly larger percentage of light coming through the sun.

So, here's my working theory. You could say that polarity is the amount of self discovered/developed from the unconscious mind (unmanifested self) and utilized towards service in one direction or the other. If one's unmanifested self is of love (for example 4th density positive wanderer), then, generally, one would discover the unmanifested self, as it is made manifest through the use of catalyst, as one of unconditional love, and polarize thusly. So, what if one is of 6th density? You discover the potential for both... And 6th density wanderers polarize, yet their social memory complex moves forward in evolution away from polarization. Somehow, there is the potential for massive polarization without it steering the course of evolution of the complex.

I can only conclude that polarity is the ability held in the present moment to perform service with the creator's light, based on the potentials contained within the unmanifested self, and drawn forth within that lifetime by the entity's conscious will.

Greetings Bring4th_Aaron,

I believe this to be a correct assessment, as the measure of polarity is ones ability to do work. Which is also dependent on ones will. Great will allows one to dedicate ones self utterly wherever awareness is shifted. By shifting awareness one can shift polarity and use the will to do work in either way.

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02-20-2012, 10:01 AM,
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(02-19-2012, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:  
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Zaxon Wrote:That being said, for the time being I am in a STO orientation.

I believe that *each* time you shift your polarity, you *actually* shift your polarity. How can you, in the logical sense, polarize in service to self, when you shift *that* very service? Doesn't make any rational sense to me...

Chiming in here even though the question wasn't asked to me...

You're essentially asking "How can one shift polarity back and forth in one lifetime and not lose contact with the roots of their being?" right?

Hello brother. I just now realized that you were addressing to me. =)

What I asked is something that I've already stated in ahktu's thread about STO/STS meditation, but can reiterate it here: I wished to explore the details of my own understanding of the polarity, as I believe that either Zaxon is not polarized enough to be harvested, or that I must have misinterpreted something in the concepts of the polarity, in which case I wished to explore this mis-/understanding. I developed my understanding in that mentioned thread.

Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:So, here's my working theory. You could say that polarity is the amount of self discovered/developed from the unconscious mind (unmanifested self) and utilized towards service in one direction or the other. If one's unmanifested self is of love (for example 4th density positive wanderer), then, generally, one would discover the unmanifested self, as it is made manifest through the use of catalyst, as one of unconditional love, and polarize thusly. So, what if one is of 6th density? You discover the potential for both... And 6th density wanderers polarize, yet their social memory complex moves forward in evolution away from polarization. Somehow, there is the potential for massive polarization without it steering the course of evolution of the complex.

I can only conclude that polarity is the ability held in the present moment to perform service with the creator's light, based on the potentials contained within the unmanifested self, and drawn forth within that lifetime by the entity's conscious will.

Thank you for offering your understanding. I agree with you that third density is the density where work in consciousness is done.

As to the sixth density goes, remember that there is a big difference between third density and fourth density already, and Ra had difficulties to put it in words, and also said that as higher up it goes it becomes more and more difficult to describe it til they become without words. We can not understand what it means to be a sixth density being in our current state, as we are not sixth density beings in our mind/body complex. But Ra said that this density is not of understanding, but of choice. Making a choice and/or further refinement of that choice. The polarity concept stops in mid sixth density, yes, but Wanderers returning to third density do not return to depolarize, but to polarize further, more, and it applies to both of those of positive orientation as of negative.

Perhaps what you mean is to not develop a bias of what you approve and disapprove? For Law of One sees an entity who is serving the self in exactly the same manner as an entity who is serving others. Perhaps this understanding, the understanding of the Law of One, is what you wished to convey? To bear no judgement, but accepting all as the illusion it is, in order to understand yourself/it, and then move forward? I personally love that part of the material! But it also stated there that the Higher Self will continue to feed you with catalysts until you develop a bias. Choose your personal path of walking.

If taking this density and all that it means to be here, then I have developed a bias one can say. This bias is: I believe in One Creator, and One Creator only. This oneness is beyond human apprehension, thus human mind may distort it in various ways, by, among other things, religious systems. But I, who believe in One Infinite Creator, don't see that Creator as separated from me or others, but in all things and all beings. It is unity.

Sometimes, like now, we may also loose ourselves in technicalities such as this one, and put way to much attention to the details, not seeing the bigger picture. After all, this is the density of confusion. But when I personally need to clear my mind of thoughts of this confusion, or when I need to see this bigger picture, there is one question I always ask myself when being in this density, living in this world, living the life I am living; and the answer to that question puts me personally right back on track. The question is: where would I be myself, if it would not for the dedication to service to others path, of those known as Carla L. Rueckert, Don Elkins and Jim McCarty?
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02-20-2012, 11:20 AM,
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I would clarify a few things, that I had thought were apparent. Obviously I am as afflicted by the veil of confusion as any other incarnating in the third density. Whatever knowledge or insights I may have come from memory, and intuition guided by reason. I make no claim to special knowledge or absolute truth. I am but a wanderer amongst wanderers, trying to find my way home. I have no interest in proving the veracity of what I say, I merely offer it open handedly in hopes of gaining greater knowledge and understanding of self.

That being said, I will return to the topic of bi-polarity as I have experienced it. I believe my experiments with the heart chakra and bi-polarity have been useful and productive in attaining greater understanding of self, and the Creator. Were I to regain a sixth density awareness in full, I believe I would be a near perfect balance of the negative and positive polarities, able to hold both concepts in my being simultaneously and with perfect harmony. However, I am incarnate in the third density, with little more than a third density awareness. So I find myself limited in significant ways. As I have stated previously, I find myself capable of pushing myself into a STO orientation, with effort and meditation. To achieve this task I must be highly polarized negatively, and full of the accompanying energy and power I feel in this state. The task is achieved by charging my heart chakra, which allows me to feel compassion. A thing that I find myself unable to feel in my native STS orientation. However, the effect is short lived, maintainable for only a day or two, at which time I become listless and blocked. It is only by refocusing my awareness to the chakras associated with a negative orientation that I find myself once more unblocked and energized. The difference is comparable to that of a battery and a nuclear power plant. Though I can charge the battery of my heart chakra with almost all the negative energy I possess at any time, I find that with each moment that passes thereafter there is less and less. Conversely, when in a STS orientation the power and energy flows freely and inexhaustibly from the bottom of my feet up through the crown.

This perhaps sheds some light on the key difference between the STS and STO orientations. Compassion and feeling has never been very much a part of my being, even as a young child. An effect that only increased with age to the point of numbness, then to no feeling at all. Emotion, when felt, has always had a sickening/nauseating effect on my physical vehicle. Whether it be anger or joy, the feeling has always struck me as a foreign invader that must be exiled. One poster likened me to Dexter. Which is not an entirely inaccurate characterization, and is an accusation made by one or two of my ex-girlfriends, right before they ran away in horror. Though the difference between the mask and the interior is an accurate analogy, you would find my interior far colder and more indifferent.

One poster discussed her inner conviction that all in the world deserve and should be given food, water, shelter, and clothing as a basic human right. Where she feels the pain of their suffering and feels compassion for their plight, my tendency is towards understanding the present, past, and future. Where she sees suffering, I see populations that have gone well beyond the carrying capacity of the land on which they live, and their culture's ability to sustain them. A condition brought about by the good intentions of the industrialized world, that has sought to alleviate their pain without addressing underlying systemic issues. The population boom in the third world and their current plight is a direct result of a suppression of the infant mortality rates by imported western medicine, and imported foodstuffs during times of famine. Where women might have 12 children in their lifetime and only 3 attain adulthood, now all 12 may attain the privilege of a life without sufficient work, food, room, or money. By trying to alleviate current pain and suffering, the good intentions of the industrial world in many cases exacerbated the problems of developing nations, making them dependent on the industrialized world for their barest survival. If you ever wondered how the Earth's population came to be 7 billion people, when most optimistic estimates suggest 4 to 5 billion is the population the Earth can sustainably maintain - here is your answer.

Whether you agree or disagree with the above analysis is quite beside the point, for the purposes of this discussion. The pertinent fact is that this is my first reaction to the mentioned condition. More often than not, where one sees good intentions, I see the path they paved to hell.

For those "keeping track" I have returned to an STS orientation. My absence over the last few days has been the result of my attempt to see how long the STO orientation could be maintained, and what its effects on me would be. As stated above, I became listless, blocked, and my physical vehicle passive by the end of the experiment.

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02-20-2012, 12:03 PM,
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Good luck, brother Zaxon. I wish you well!
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02-20-2012, 02:13 PM,
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There are two paths to walk just as there are two polarities. Gnostics acknowledge this as the right hand path, governed by authority for the purpose of leading sheep to the left hand path where they begin to think for themselves and act on their enlightenment.

On these paths one can walk forward or backward, but the direction one chooses makes the difference between their walking toward the Light or returning into darkness. This is the symbolism and teaching found in virtually all of the tarot.

The whole design is that as we walk toward the light we evolve and grow into a higher state of being and consciousness. But we do have the choice to walk the other way and remain in the darkness void of growth and evolutionary progress and development. To walk backward on the path is almost always because one refuses to give up the things of the flesh and cannot manage that balance between matter and spirit in such a way that their tendency or direction is forward instead of backward on that path. There are some that return deliberately as I stated earlier because they choose to remain to assist their fellowman in escaping the darkness.

Service to self is nothing more than surrender to self gratification, no matter how deliberate or extreme. To sacrifice one's forward development for the sake of pleasing the self and the flesh, is not only walking backward on the path to ascendence, but it is also being a burden to the harmony of mankind which is also an aspect of the human design to achieve ascendency. this is why we should be of One Consciousness with regard to ascendency. When in service to others mode we act as one, for the All, and not just for the sake of our own ascendency. What would be the glory and joy of ascendance if only one of us manages it? That is not how we are designed. We are the All, not an individual. So to act individually as one does when they accommodate their tenporary fleshly desires, is to act in defiance of the All, inconsiderate of the All, and in essence inconsidreate of their own evolutionary development.

Service to self means denying the All of its true glory and evolution, and accomplishes nothing except the self gratification of temporary flesh which will soon be reincarnated to once again go through another lesson in the hopes that it will learn of its entrapment in that vicious cycyle, and the way to escape from it to become higher consciousness.

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02-20-2012, 02:40 PM,
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Dear Shin'Ar - the Law of One teaches that indeed the service to self is the path of darkness, but that in the eyes of Law of One, if one can really grasp it, there is no difference between the one serving itself, and the one serving others, because are we not one? Thus is not serving the self the same as serving others? Love and light of the One Infinite Creator is for all, not only chosen ones.

With that said, the path of service to self, is indeed a dead end, as it needs to be abandoned in mid sixth density, which is the density of Law of One, of unity, of oneness. And the Creator must now be seen in all, if one wants to progress.
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02-20-2012, 02:49 PM,
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Greetings Shin'Ar,

I respectfully disagree with your concept of polarity, and spiritual evolution. I believe it to be afflicted with the holy/evil paradigm prevalent in Christian mysticism that reduces the Creator to the narrow vision of one person or one group's definition of the good. From what I gather from your post your vision of the Creator includes all that you consider to be good and pure, but that which you consider to be negative or evil is "other."

Seeing as we discuss metaphysics I expect neither definitive answers nor do I offer them. When dealing with such topics all we can really do is strive for internal logical consistency in our theories and understandings. If the Creator is all being, then the evil you refer to as the "darkness" is other, or non-being. My question to you would be, how can non-being have any spiritual, physical or any significance at all other than non-existence or void?

I assure Shin'Ar, I exist. I see in the paradigm you propose that great evil of conflicting polar impulses. He who is of the light and loves the light, and is other than the dark, suffers from his own distortions towards separateness. All manner of depravity is permitted towards the wicked other. They may be burned at the stake, and impelled upon the spear. One may wage Jihad and Holy Crusades against that which is other, and do so in the name of the light.

Even I, the wicked other, find this to be undesirable.

-Zaxon

(02-20-2012, 02:13 PM)ShinAr Wrote:  There are two paths to walk just as there are two polarities. Gnostics acknowledge this as the right hand path, governed by authority for the purpose of leading sheep to the left hand path where they begin to think for themselves and act on their enlightenment.

On these paths one can walk forward or backward, but the direction one chooses makes the difference between their walking toward the Light or returning into darkness. This is the symbolism and teaching found in virtually all of the tarot.

The whole design is that as we walk toward the light we evolve and grow into a higher state of being and consciousness. But we do have the choice to walk the other way and remain in the darkness void of growth and evolutionary progress and development. To walk backward on the path is almost always because one refuses to give up the things of the flesh and cannot manage that balance between matter and spirit in such a way that their tendency or direction is forward instead of backward on that path. There are some that return deliberately as I stated earlier because they choose to remain to assist their fellowman in escaping the darkness.

Service to self is nothing more than surrender to self gratification, no matter how deliberate or extreme. To sacrifice one's forward development for the sake of pleasing the self and the flesh, is not only walking backward on the path to ascendence, but it is also being a burden to the harmony of mankind which is also an aspect of the human design to achieve ascendency. this is why we should be of One Consciousness with regard to ascendency. When in service to others mode we act as one, for the All, and not just for the sake of our own ascendency. What would be the glory and joy of ascendance if only one of us manages it? That is not how we are designed. We are the All, not an individual. So to act individually as one does when they accommodate their tenporary fleshly desires, is to act in defiance of the All, inconsiderate of the All, and in essence inconsidreate of their own evolutionary development.

Service to self means denying the All of its true glory and evolution, and accomplishes nothing except the self gratification of temporary flesh which will soon be reincarnated to once again go through another lesson in the hopes that it will learn of its entrapment in that vicious cycyle, and the way to escape from it to become higher consciousness.

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02-20-2012, 03:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-20-2012, 03:09 PM by Liet.)
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Ankh, while you arent wrong in saying the negative polarity ends in 6th density,
you are missing the fact that polarity as a whole ends there... It turns neutral/both.
What someone chose to label a 6th density entity and its actions is very subjective.

The polarity percentile requiered for harvest mentioned by RA is true mainly for 3rd
into 4th.

Zaxon is either a late 5th or early 6th density negative.

Zaxon, when you are in the act of teaching a not-yet-awakened entity about the
negative path; i would suggest giving them an Ametrine crystal in the process.
It contains the same energy balance as what you feel your best with. (aka
everything except the femenine)
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02-20-2012, 03:23 PM,
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Liet,

If I were to give myself any spiritual significance, other than the STS or STO labels, it would be that of the neutral, slightly skewed to the "dark." I find understanding stays my hand more often than not, in matters of both negative and positive polarity. It is true, I am biased towards STS, and this is the teaching I offer for those who seek the Creator in this way. However, I feel that the time for further polarization to the exclusion of the other has largely passed for me.

As I progress in understanding I come to believe that one of the purposes of this incarnation may be to further integrate polarity. To become a true neutral. A feat that may require slight overall polarization towards the positive during this lifetime.

Thank you for the advice regarding the use of crystals.

-Zaxon

(02-20-2012, 03:07 PM)Liet Wrote:  Ankh, while you arent wrong in saying the negative polarity ends in 6th density,
you are missing the fact that polarity as a whole ends there... It turns neutral/both.
What someone chose to label a 6th density entity and its actions is very subjective.

The polarity percentile requiered for harvest mentioned by RA is true mainly for 3rd
into 4th.

Zaxon is either a late 5th or early 6th density negative.

Zaxon, when you are in the act of teaching a not-yet-awakened entity about the
negative path; i would suggest giving them an Ametrine crystal in the process.
It contains the same energy balance as what you feel your best with. (aka
everything except the femenine)

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02-20-2012, 03:40 PM,
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(02-20-2012, 03:07 PM)Liet Wrote:  Ankh, while you arent wrong in saying the negative polarity ends in 6th density,
you are missing the fact that polarity as a whole ends there... It turns neutral/both.
What someone chose to label a 6th density entity and its actions is very subjective.

78.24 In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

- -

36.15 The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth-density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

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02-20-2012, 05:20 PM,
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Thank you, plenum. These were the exact quotes I was thinking of too. Mind also Ra's choice of words in the 78:24 quote, where they state that the negative path is abandoned, but they didn't state that the positive was. My own understanding is that in sixth density is both self and other self is one to the point that is not comprehendable for us here in third density. Remember that Ra said that the difference between the self and another self is not seen for them. I would like to offer this quote too:

Quote:22.1 Questioner: The instrument would like to ask a couple of questions of you. The instrument would like to know why she smells the incense at various times during the day at various places?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has spent a lifetime in dedication to service. This has brought this instrument to this nexus in space/time with the conscious and unconscious distortion towards service, with the further conscious distortion towards service by communication. Each time, as you would put it, that we perform this working our social memory complex vibrational distortion meshes more firmly with this instrument’s unconscious distortions towards service. Thus we are becoming a part of this instrument’s vibratory complex and it a part of ours. This occurs upon the unconscious level, the level whereby the mind has gone down through to the roots of consciousness which you may call cosmic.

This instrument is not consciously aware of this slow changing of the meshing vibratory complex. However, as the dedication on both levels continues, and the workings continue, there are signals sent from the unconscious in a symbolic manner. Because this instrument is extremely keen in its sense of smell this association takes place unconsciously, and the thought-form of this odor is witnessed by the entity.

Carla melted in her mind with social memory complex Ra, which is narrow banded. Why? Because of hers and theirs dedication towards service. Reading closely it can be seen that Ra did not state what service it is. It might as well be service to self. But in that case, I don't think that they would work together in that way they did, all of them, Ra, Don, Carla and Jim, and other Confederation entities. But... it is for each intelligence to choose what to believe.
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02-20-2012, 05:29 PM,
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I have made no mention of good or evil in my statement, and the fact that some of you continue to turn to that sort of thinking shows me why you seem to be so confused over the realities of polarity and service to self.

It is true that we are One Consciousness and therefore exist as a duality. We exist as beings that are constantly balancing the polarities as we travel on through the great design. We are All that exists.

There is no good or evil except in the defintions of individuality. But there is driection; either toward the Light or toward the darkness and I believe I explained that clearly in my last post.

The fact that we exist as the All, does not change the Great Design and the Two Paths, nor our choice as to which direction we shall follow those paths. the fact that we are One Consciousness does not negate the fact that we are by design many eyes of experience, creating many adventures and events, that each become a part of the All.

I tell you now that if one comes to you and tries to teach you that because you are God means you can now return to the darkness, you should avoid them at all cost. They make a decision that you must make yourself, and their teaching is not beneficial to the development of your evolution or the evolution of the All. Do not let them use the 'people who claim the flesh is evil are not One with us', distraction. No one has said to you that the flesh is evil. What I have said to you is that it is our design to escape the flesh and evolve into higher being. To live in service to self is to gratify the flesh, and the flesh is the lust that we seek to evolve away from.

It has nothing to do with good or evil. It has to do with leaving behind the darkness, which is reincarnation of the flesh, and evolving into our higher being, which is the escape from the cycle of reincarnation, as beings of Light that do not live in the form of flesh.

This is the goal of the All as it moves forward into higher being, and should therefore be the goal of each of us. It is our natural design. if we could comprehend time and space, and our reality as One Consciousness, we would know that we have already become that higher being. But in our temporary state of flesh and blood we cannot comprehend these truths, and are still obligated to making choices based upon what we can understand.

To choose to return to the darkness when our design and purpose is to evolve is a choice that simply prolongs our inability to comprehend our true realities. And those who would lure us backward with them do so deliberately for their own agendas. If you fall victim to such seduction, it is neither good or evil but either your inability to understand, or your deliberate choice to walk backward. But it is either walking forward or walking backward. As simple as that. We are One but we have the choice to walk one way or the other as our part of the experience as the All.

There is One Source, with many eyes. Each of us is one of those eyes experiencing our own choices. Will you walk forward in service to others, to the All, or will you walk backward in service to self, in ignorance of the All, luring others to fall with you? Yes, we all have the choice to bounce back and forth, but as we do we must also acknowledge the direction of our choices. To walk backward and pretend that it is somehow not having any affect on your forward motion is illogical and delusional. Walk toward the Light with fervor and seek your higher being at all times, and know that when you walk backward, you are not walking toward the Light.
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02-20-2012, 08:38 PM,
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(02-20-2012, 03:23 PM)Zaxon Wrote:  Liet,

If I were to give myself any spiritual significance, other than the STS or STO labels, it would be that of the neutral, slightly skewed to the "dark." I find understanding stays my hand more often than not, in matters of both negative and positive polarity. It is true, I am biased towards STS, and this is the teaching I offer for those who seek the Creator in this way. However, I feel that the time for further polarization to the exclusion of the other has largely passed for me.

As I progress in understanding I come to believe that one of the purposes of this incarnation may be to further integrate polarity. To become a true neutral. A feat that may require slight overall polarization towards the positive during this lifetime.

Thank you for the advice regarding the use of crystals.

-Zaxon

But sweety, there is no such thing as neutral in the Law of One. There are two straight and narrow paths, either this way or that way. That in between is a sinkhole of indifference. In the Law of One you can read about this density being the density of choice, about weakening of the physical body complex in order for us to deal with each other, and that we will be fed with catalysts until we develop a bias.

I'll bet that sixth density beings do not need to get up in the morning and go to their 9 to 5 work, or get stuck in the kitchen for hours cooking, or change their own babies diapers. Each density has their own limitations, and lessons to be learned. We are in third density right now, and we need to do all that stuff that is in need to be done here. And in doing so, there are choices to be made.

I am sure that you can be as neutral as you wish, once you opened that gateway, but until then this is the main entrance, at the end of those two, opposite, straight and narrow paths.
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02-20-2012, 10:42 PM,
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Perfect balance is a point of non movement in either direction. It is not the design of the human to reside in perfect balance, but to balance toward the Light instead of toward the darkness. This existence is about leaning the way that will cause us to vibrate in such a way that we evolve to a particular form, that will bring us toward the Light; allow us to reach the Gate. This life is about balancing our struggle so that the balance is always in the direction of development. To seek a neutrality is the same as going backward. It is NOT forward movement or growth. What would the great oak seed become if it remained neutral and non developing in the seed pod? How would humanity and the All ever progress if each of us walked backward in service to our flesh?

To those that teach that service to self is simply a neutral point of development between matter and spirit that we should regularly bounce back and forth on, I remind you that the Ouroboros does not turn to look back. I remind you that there are extraordinary and amazing events awaiting us in the path ahead. When you return backward on that path you simply find more of the same. More of what you have already been experiencing for many lifetimes already.

The real question is why would you choose to sacrifice the Mystery ahead for the same old darkness behind?
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02-20-2012, 10:56 PM,
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Ankh,

I have read the Ra Material just as you. However, as I said in my first post I consider it to be neither dispositive nor inviolate. I have been both villain and Saint, and find both roles distasteful. Perhaps in another life I will be more naively loving, or cruelly cunning. If this be the case, I have nothing less than eternity to become less reasonable, and more biased.

-Zaxon
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02-20-2012, 11:00 PM,
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(02-20-2012, 10:56 PM)Zaxon Wrote:  Ankh,

I have read the Ra Material just as you. However, as I said in my first post I consider it to be neither dispositive nor inviolate. I have been both villain and Saint, and find both roles distasteful. Perhaps in another life I will be more naively loving, or cruelly cunning. If this be the case, I have nothing less than eternity to become less reasonable, and more biased.

-Zaxon



"naively loving" should be all you need to define this character from here on. I leave you to gnosis and intuition.
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02-20-2012, 11:11 PM,
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Just a quick thought on the oak tree metaphor...the tree grows up--and is balanced by the roots going down.

But I do think that sometimes it appears that people are going backwards when they return to previous religious paradigms that are no longer in their vital era (i.e., during which time they met the needs of evolving humankind.) Fertility rites served their purpose--at one time. An Initiate can move out in front of the line of humanity to gather up power, or if on the left-hand path, go backwards to gather up the chaotic forces left behind--but this is different from "balance." Dion Fortune, in her Cosmic Doctrine, posits a difference between Negative Evil and Positive Evil. One is balance and the other actively seeks to harm others.
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02-20-2012, 11:52 PM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
(02-20-2012, 03:07 PM)Liet Wrote:  Zaxon is either a late 5th or early 6th density negative.
Always have to laugh at attempts to determine density origin and/or polarity.
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02-21-2012, 03:25 AM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
Quote:One poster likened me to Dexter. Which is not an entirely inaccurate characterization, and is an accusation made by one or two of my ex-girlfriends, right before they ran away in horror. Though the difference between the mask and the interior is an accurate analogy, you would find my interior far colder and more indifferent.

Dexter: The lovable killer
Zaxon: The lovable negative wanderer

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02-21-2012, 05:01 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012, 06:29 AM by Liet.)
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
(02-20-2012, 08:38 PM)Ankh Wrote:  But sweety, there is no such thing as neutral in the Law of One. There are two straight and narrow paths, either this way or that way. That in between is a sinkhole of indifference. In the Law of One you can read about this density being the density of choice, about weakening of the physical body complex in order for us to deal with each other, and that we will be fed with catalysts until we develop a bias.

I'll bet that sixth density beings do not need to get up in the morning and go to their 9 to 5 work, or get stuck in the kitchen for hours cooking, or change their own babies diapers. Each density has their own limitations, and lessons to be learned. We are in third density right now, and we need to do all that stuff that is in need to be done here. And in doing so, there are choices to be made.

I am sure that you can be as neutral as you wish, once you opened that gateway, but until then this is the main entrance, at the end of those two, opposite, straight and narrow paths.

RA prefer calling what i call neutral; positive, seeing as one is never downright cruel (even when nobody will know).
All the growth/renewal/understanding one afflict on others will come mixed together with some compassion/safety/acceptance and vice versa.

Sure, neutral is sort of a posistive fella, but white is still neutraly polarized (100% of ones actions are STO and 100% are aswell STS)
(02-20-2012, 10:42 PM)ShinAr Wrote:  To seek a neutrality is the same as going backward. It is NOT forward movement or growth. What would the great oak seed become if it remained neutral and non developing in the seed pod? How would humanity and the All ever progress if each of us walked backward in service to our flesh?

To those that teach that service to self is simply a neutral point of development between matter and spirit that we should regularly bounce back and forth on, I remind you that the Ouroboros does not turn to look back. I remind you that there are extraordinary and amazing events awaiting us in the path ahead. When you return backward on that path you simply find more of the same. More of what you have already been experiencing for many lifetimes already.

The real question is why would you choose to sacrifice the Mystery ahead for the same old darkness behind?
By neutrality, i mean having both dualities in harmony from within, something that doesnt need a counterbalancing outside force... By chosing only one half of the duality, the other half will further manifest on the outside.

The positive polarity, almost entierly lacking roots will easily swirl away in the winds, thus growth halts (unless you "crash down to earth", through a devastating experience. One is thus given the chanse to recover, and the act of recovering strengthen the roots)
The negative polarity, being mostly roots wont get to feel those heavy winds at all, there are thus nothing distracting oneself from growing. (discarding the piece of itself which lies above grownd over and over, perfecting ones ability to recover if disaster would strike)

Whereas the 4d positive polarity could be seen as moss (rooted within the adjecent "other selves", not the ground), the 4d negative path is likened to that of a mushroom.. and the steriotypical tree for 6th (above/below in equalibrium).

the secret for immortality/timelesness lies within the roots
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02-21-2012, 09:22 AM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
The seed, if not in motion, if not in a state of growth, does not become what it is designed to become. The moss that grows around it, nor the full grown oak with roots established has no meaning here. What we speak of is a seed that remains in a state of non growth and remains asleep in the pod.

That is the state of a man who does not move forward or backward. Perfect balance is a state of immobility. There is no state of perfect balance in all the universe. there is always the two opposing forces and the reaction to the action.

When a man does move there can only be forward toward the fulfilment of his design and out of darkness in the process of that motion, or backward into the darkess which disables his ability to grow into his higher being.

we are designed to become higher beings. We are not designed to remain in the darkness. the darkness is the cycle of reincarnation in which we are trying to understand how to be freed from it.

those who choose to remain in it do so becauise of their addiction to the things of the flesh, and their ignorance of what might lay ahead in the things of the higher being.

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02-21-2012, 09:55 AM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
(02-21-2012, 09:22 AM)ShinAr Wrote:  those who choose to remain in it do so becauise of their addiction to the things of the flesh, and their ignorance of what might lay ahead in the things of the higher being.

Shin'Ar,

You often speak of "addiction to the things of the flesh" in reference to what you call darkness. I find this peculiar. From personal experience I have always been inclined towards asceticism. Discipline and control over fundamental impulses, desires, and actions has always been the cornerstone of my being. I have a nearly pathological aversion to dependence of any kind. It was a desire for independence from the whims of flesh and blood that my study in detachment and separateness began in earnest.

You will find in my personal habits the most temperate of men. I indulge in neither promiscuous sex or drugs, and have only one to two alcoholic drinks a week, usually with a meal. Neither do I indulge in fattening or rich food, as I have no attachment to food other than to consume what is necessary to function. So my diet is bland, nutritious, and rarely varies. I workout 4-6 days a week, engaging in intensive weight training, running, and yoga, to strengthen and purify the body so that it operates at optimal levels. Also, even though I am both financially and professional successful, I spend only a fraction of what I make, as I have an aversion to dependence on material things. In short, you will find I am quite detached from this world, this body, and its fleshly desires. I will be controlled by neither flesh nor blood, nor will of another.

-Zaxon
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02-21-2012, 10:20 AM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
When we speak of things of the flesh we speak of the temporary identity with which you are now consumed. It matters not how you choose to orient that identity with the experience of its interaction with the material world. What matters is that you base your existence on this temporary form. That is the addiction.

How many times in your previous paragraph did you begin each sentence with the word I? Iam this and I am that and I have accomplisged this and that and so on and so on and so on. That is the darkness.


Your "I" is a thing of temporary placement within a darkness that you are not moving out from but continuing to return to.

You say that you sacrifice much for asceticism. And yet you admit from your very first post that you find yourself the enemy to those here that seek higher being.

If you came to a doorway through which you could see nothing on the other side, and a sign on the door read 'once entering there can be no return', would you enter into it?

If not that is service to self.

If you came to that same doorway and the sign read 'enter here to discover immortality for one that you love, but you cannot return', would you enter?

If you did that would be service to others.

As your fellowman and brother in the All, I ask you to leave the darkness for All our sake. Seek your higher being so that we All might experience it. If you remain in the darkness you drag us All back with you. we are One!

Forget the "I", and love the All. That is our grand design and your destiny. Your "I" simply prolongs the darkness you force Us to share as the experience of the All. One day all of humnanity will proceed beyond the darkness, will you be the last one through that door? Where do you draw the line and begin to walk forward?


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02-21-2012, 10:41 AM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
(02-21-2012, 10:20 AM)ShinAr Wrote:  When we speak of things of the flesh we speak of the temporary identity with which you are now consumed. It matters not how you choose to orient that identity with the experience of its interaction with the material world. What matters is that you base your existence on this temporary form. That is the addiction.

How many times in your previous paragraph did you begin each sentence with the word I? Iam this and I am that and I have accomplisged this and that and so on and so on and so on. That is the darkness.


Your "I" is a thing of temporary placement within a darkness that you are not moving out from but continuing to return to.

You say that you sacrifice much for asceticism. And yet you admit from your very first post that you find yourself the enemy to those here that seek higher being.

If you came to a doorway through which you could see nothing on the other side, and a sign on the door read 'once entering there can be no return', would you enter into it?

If not that is service to self.

If you came to that same doorway and the sign read 'enter here to discover immortality for one that you love, but you cannot return', would you enter?

If you did that would be service to others.

As your fellowman and brother in the All, I ask you to leave the darkness for All our sake. Seek your higher being so that we All might experience it. If you remain in the darkness you drag us All back with you. we are One!

Forget the "I", and love the All. That is our grand design and your destiny. Your "I" simply prolongs the darkness you force Us to share as the experience of the All. One day all of humnanity will proceed beyond the darkness, will you be the last one through that door? Where do you draw the line and begin to walk forward?

Shin'Ar,

Thank you for the further clarification. Having read many of your posts now I believe I can say with confidence that we operate on different paradigms. I understand the perspective from which you come, but disagree with it nonetheless. If you are correct, and I a fool, take comfort in the fact that you will one day be vindicated.

-Zaxon


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02-21-2012, 11:40 AM,
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And yet the point is that we do not operate on different paradigms at all. we are One and the choices each of us makes affects us All.

Tis your choice to put off vindication. But you take us All with you in that decision.

Namaste brother.
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02-21-2012, 06:11 PM,
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
The only enemy that I will ever have are STS at the expense of others, and Zaxon is NOT this. I even share some of his traits, just not the discompassion towards other selves traits. Thus, I welcome you here.

I also find the dialog between Shin'Ar and Zaxon to be interesting and potentially helpful. I can see both perspectives from with they are separately coming from. They are both valid in their own way, but one viewpoint appears to be a bit more cohesive, which I won't point out which one.
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02-21-2012, 06:45 PM,
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I seek only to emphasize the point that service to self is "at the expense of others". I do not criticize one's choices because we all have choices to make based upon our own understandings and desires. What I do attempt is an enlightening of teaching that often becomes confused either deliberately or innocently.

From Zaxon's very first post he openly admitted that much of what he would say would be considered an antithesis of the Law of One teaching, and that he might even be considered an enemy to the teaching. So he honestly revealed his intention.

Than he went on to speak of service to self being some sort of a neutral place of balance which was beneficial to a person's spiritual and physical development combined. Whether this falls in line with the Ra material or not I do not know.

But what I feel the need to reiterate is that development is growth toward the Light, not away from it, and that growth toward the Light is not, I repeat NOT, found in service to self.

Whenever a person reverts to STS they walk in the opposite direction of development and growth toward the Light. And it is our design to evolve toward the Light and to become our higher being.

And whenever any one of us chooses to walk backward, we affect not only our own development, but the development of the All, because we are One. And if we cannot come to this understanding here in this place where the All and the One is studied and respected so deeply, how can we expect the rest of our brothers and sisters out there who do not have this advantage to learn from us? It is encumbant upon us who understand these higher matters to ensure that we do not backtrack and confuse our understandings.

Service to self is not beneficial to the evolution of the All. It is by Unselfish Love alone that we evolve into Higher Being.
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02-21-2012, 09:29 PM,
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Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We may make one suggestion and leave the remainder with the Creator. It is well for each to realize its self as the Creator. Thusly each may support each including the support of self by humble love of self as Creator.

Thus we see protection being very simple. Give thanksgiving for each moment. See the self and the other-self as Creator. Open the heart. Always know the light and praise it. This is all the protection necessary.

Questioner: Who went to the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known as Genghis Khan.

Questioner: What does he presently do there? What is his job or occupation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity serves the Creator in its own way.

STS, STO, Selfish, Unselfish... leave behind your dualistic thoughts.

All serve the Creator, all work towards for the fulfillment of complete potential, and to not impinge upon the Free Will of all we must allow all to seek their course without projecting on to them our own expectations we have for ourselves, our dualistic perceptions, or our own perceptions from which we see and relate to the One.

Any individual, being, or entity who believes they have not the exact same negative state to come to terms is sorely mistaken.

Zaxon is Shin`Ar, Is Me, Is DuncanIdahoTPF, Is Wander-Man, Is Zenmaster, etc, etc ad infinitum.

I have walked the paths of darkness, and through the abyss I have drifted for countless aeons. The Light is inherent in the Dark, and those who wish to bring about the highest transmutation must have a deep, intimate understanding of the energies which they hope to transmute. Darkness is potential, Light is the dynamic, there is no sense in denying your complete nature. We are all both Dark and Light, and this is good, and balanced.

We are not here to chastise others for their lessons, we are here to give them support, admiration and acknowledgement for their path, and the challenges they have chosen to encounter with their souls.

Quote:In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

51% STO, and 49% STS is the minimum for harvest.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.
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02-21-2012, 09:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012, 09:48 PM by Liet.)
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RE: Greetings from the Dark
(02-21-2012, 06:45 PM)ShinAr Wrote:  Service to self is not beneficial to the evolution of the All. It is by Unselfish Love alone that we evolve into Higher Being.

While self service at the cost of others does not benefit in the current wellness of the whole... it does add fertilizing to the growth of the whole, meaning it does benefit the wellness of the whole, but only if you are capable of waiting for something better rather than setteling for something good now.

Too much long term strategy focus often means forgetting to embrace the now...
Cant always grow at full speed, need some time to catch your breath... else it might leave you cold.
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02-21-2012, 09:37 PM,
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We are here to bring Light to the darkness so that those that are able can be lead out of it. Many return here for this reason and sacrifice their own ascendence to serve others.

Many will claim that balance and darkness is nothing more than the nature of the All.

It is one aspect of the All. Another aspect of the All is that some lead others out of the darkness so that they can discover their true identity as the One. There has always been guides and teachers leading their brethren to the Light. and there has always been those who would impede that.

Which shall you be?
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