Law of One Channeling
03-30-2012, 12:31 PM,
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Why do you think the teachings were misapplied?

"We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power."

(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  The folly is in giving what is asked for before the recipient is mature enough to act responsibly with it.

What if you don't know if the recipient is mature enough? Sometimes the only way to find out is to go through the process.

(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  But have we? That is my question.

Good question. We're still finding out. The fact that we haven't blown ourselves up is a good sign, I think.
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03-30-2012, 12:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2012, 12:55 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 12:31 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  "We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power."

Right... and so... why then was the technology continued to be given after it was demonstrated that it became subsumed into elitism?

Or... why did Ra bust out the "big guns" so to speak right from the start, rather than begin with technologies with less potential for harm- ala the pony analogy?

Quote:What if you don't know if the recipient is mature enough? Sometimes the only way to find out is to go through the process.

"What if you don't know" amounts to... a lack of wisdom. If one lacks the wisdom to discern the readiness of the student, perhaps one is not ready to be a teacher.

Quote:Good question. We're still finding out. The fact that we haven't blown ourselves up is a good sign, I think.

I agree, that is a good sign. The proof is in the pudding. If/when humanity can coexist with beings more advanced than themselves- with neither the desire to worship nor kill them- that will be the proof that we have learned the lesson.

Worship. War ship. Just an afterthought.
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03-30-2012, 01:05 PM,
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Right... and so... why then was the technology continued to be given after it was demonstrated that it became subsumed into elitism?

I don't think they did continue to give the technology after that. What are you referring to?

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  Or... why did Ra bust out the "big guns" so to speak right from the start, rather than begin with technologies with less potential for harm- ala the pony analogy?

There was a line discovered in the relistening project that's relevant here. New material italicized:

Quote:14.10 ...It came to our attention that your density was distorted towards, what is called by our distortion/understanding of third density, a premature aging process. We were attempting to aid in giving the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on your planetary sphere, more of a time/space continuum in one incarnation pattern in order to have a fuller opportunity to learn/teach the Laws or Ways of the primal distortion of the Law of One which is Love.

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  "What if you don't know" amounts to... a lack of wisdom. If one lacks the wisdom to discern the readiness of the student, perhaps one is not ready to be a teacher.

I don't think so. The student has free will. The student may be ready but nonetheless use the information in unexpected ways.

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  I agree, that is a good sign. The proof is in the pudding. If/when humanity can coexist with beings more advanced than themselves- with neither the desire to worship nor kill them- that will be the proof that we have learned the lesson.

As I understand it, we won't get that chance until after the harvest is complete. I think if we can make it to harvest with an intact planet with a breathable atmosphere, we will have done well. Smile
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03-30-2012, 01:25 PM,
RE: Law of One Channeling
After reading your post Tenet I am asking myself these questions.

Is there an intelligence behind the design that knows exactly what is being accomplished?

and

I wonder what sort of experiences are being learned from on other planets and in other dimensions?


If this is a place and time of learning, lessons for development, that would explain the same ignorance over and over, wouldn't it.

the real question is not why we never seem to learn our lesson, but why is there a lesson in the first place?

What is it within us that causes us to seek after this recognition in so many various ways?

It is THAT which we are designed to seek which is the goal. To judge those learning this lesson by their inability as a whole to learn from it, is to deny the process.
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03-30-2012, 01:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2012, 01:52 PM by Patrick.)
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 01:25 PM)ShinAr Wrote:  ...
the real question is not why we never seem to learn our lesson, but why is there a lesson in the first place?
...

Very good question!

I believe anyone who reaches the point of asking themselves this question is ready for 4d. Smile

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03-30-2012, 02:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2012, 02:28 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 01:05 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  I don't think they did continue to give the technology after that. What are you referring to?

They were here for some thousands of years, right?

Quote:There was a line discovered in the relistening project that's relevant here. New material italicized:

Quote:14.10 ...It came to our attention that your density was distorted towards, what is called by our distortion/understanding of third density, a premature aging process. We were attempting to aid in giving the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on your planetary sphere, more of a time/space continuum in one incarnation pattern in order to have a fuller opportunity to learn/teach the Laws or Ways of the primal distortion of the Law of One which is Love.

Fascinating! So the aid was focused around promoting longevity.

But I also wonder about this... "it came to our attention". So Ra- beings of sixth density- were somehow not aware of this from the beginning? Seems to me like the sort of information which would be readily available to those of such advanced consciousness. Did they not "do their research" before jumping right into the fray? Did they perhaps forget something important upon their arrival? Or...?

Quote:I don't think so. The student has free will. The student may be ready but nonetheless use the information in unexpected ways.

Fair enough.

Quote:As I understand it, we won't get that chance until after the harvest is complete. I think if we can make it to harvest with an intact planet with a breathable atmosphere, we will have done well. Smile

We shall see! Smile


(03-30-2012, 01:25 PM)ShinAr Wrote:  After reading your post Tenet I am asking myself these questions.

If my posts have caused you to ask deeper questions, then I am grateful and happy to have been of service!

Quote:Is there an intelligence behind the design that knows exactly what is being accomplished?

I would say yes... but did that intelligence know what was to be accomplished ahead of time? Or were there surprises? In other words... is our Logos still evolving?

Quote:I wonder what sort of experiences are being learned from on other planets and in other dimensions?

Yes, but why the one way mirror? Why do they get to learn from us, but not the other way around?

Quote:If this is a place and time of learning, lessons for development, that would explain the same ignorance over and over, wouldn't it.

It would. But it wouldn't explain why it is necessary.

Quote:the real question is not why we never seem to learn our lesson, but why is there a lesson in the first place?

OK. Then- why is there a lesson in the first place?

Quote:What is it within us that causes us to seek after this recognition in so many various ways?

What is it within us that causes us to reject the wisdom of those who have come before us?

Quote:To judge those learning this lesson by their inability as a whole to learn from it, is to deny the process.

So then... why not allow others to carry on with their "fleshly addictions" and simply trust the process will safely carry them back to unity in the end?

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03-30-2012, 03:18 PM,
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 02:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  They were here for some thousands of years, right?

I'm not honestly sure. It depends what you mean by "here," I guess. I find the whole time line confusing. They visited 18,000 years ago but didn't land. They returned 11,000 (8,500?) years ago (never having left in thought) and spent some time considering considering how to build the structures they wanted to build. They built the Great Pyramid around 6,000 years ago and pyramid-building (by them? not clear) continued for another 1,500 years. Around 3,350 years ago they spoke to Akhenaten, presumably not in person.

So yes, I think they did do their research. Re: it came to our attention: "You may see our role in the first major cycle as that of the gardener who, knowing the season, is content to wait for the spring. When the springtime does not occur, the seeds do not sprout; then it is that the gardener must work in the garden."

I think their summary of the situation is pretty accurate. It may look like a failure from outside, but...

Quote:23.10 ...We ask you to remember that we are of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow. When one has been rescued from that sorrow to a vision of the One Creator, then there is no concept of failure.

Our difficulty lay in the honor/responsibility of correcting the distortions of the Law of One which occurred during our attempts to aid these entities. The distortions are seen as responsibilities rather than failures; the few who were inspired to seek, our only reason for the attempt.

Thus, we would perhaps be in the position of paradox in that as one saw an illumination, we were what you call successful, and as others became more sorrowful and confused, we were failures. These are your terms. We persist in seeking to serve.
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03-30-2012, 03:34 PM,
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 03:18 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:  
Quote:23.10 ...We ask you to remember that we are of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow. When one has been rescued from that sorrow to a vision of the One Creator, then there is no concept of failure.

Our difficulty lay in the honor/responsibility of correcting the distortions of the Law of One which occurred during our attempts to aid these entities. The distortions are seen as responsibilities rather than failures; the few who were inspired to seek, our only reason for the attempt.

Thus, we would perhaps be in the position of paradox in that as one saw an illumination, we were what you call successful, and as others became more sorrowful and confused, we were failures. These are your terms. We persist in seeking to serve.

Heh. I never "saw" that quote before....
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03-30-2012, 03:43 PM,
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(03-30-2012, 02:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:  In other words... is our Logos still evolving?

If by Logo you mean galaxy, then I think so:

Ra, 90:12 Wrote:We are not entirely sure why our Logos and several neighboring Logoi of approximately the same space/time of flowering chose the bipedal, erect form of the second-density apes to invest. It has been our supposition, which we share with you as long as you are aware that this is mere opinion, that our Logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy. We also have the supposition that the so-called opposable thumb was looked upon as an excellent means of intensifying the veiling process so that rather than rediscovering the powers of the mind the third-density entity would, by the form of its physical manifestation, be drawn to the making, holding, and using of physical tools.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Or were there surprises?

I guess it was:

Ra, 90:18 Wrote:It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.
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03-30-2012, 03:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2012, 05:09 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
RE: Law of One Channeling
(03-30-2012, 03:43 PM)Ankh Wrote:  
Ra, 90:18 Wrote:It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

Reminds me of this:

New Evidence Debunks 'Stupid' Neanderthal Myth


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Quote:Research by UK and American scientists has struck another blow to the theory that Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) became extinct because they were less intelligent than our ancestors (Homo sapiens). The research team has shown that early stone tool technologies developed by our species, Homo sapiens, were no more efficient than those used by Neanderthals.

Quote:They recreated stone tools known as 'flakes,' which were wider tools originally used by both Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, and 'blades,' a narrower stone tool later adopted by Homo sapiens.


Quote:Yet when the research team analysed their data there was no statistical difference between the efficiency of the two technologies. In fact, their findings showed that in some respects the flakes favoured by Neanderthals were more efficient than the blades adopted by Homo sapiens.

Quote:Now that it is established that there is no technical advantage to blades, why did Homo sapiens adopt this technology during their colonization of Europe?

Perhaps because we were bred for bellicosity, told of our "superiority" over our cousins, and then given the tools to act upon it?
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03-30-2012, 11:12 PM,
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The lesson is that it is and always will be the choice of the One to cast off what has been done, to forge ahead into what is Becoming. And only in the casting off of the past can the future become.

This lesson has been ongoing throughout all of existence, and is necessary to create Higher understanding at all levels of Being, to become Higher from Lower.

As above, so below. This is the definition and design of Infinity.
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