Random Archetype Insights
08-09-2014, 08:42 PM,
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RE: Random Archetype Insights
if you want to see an excellent depiction of the High Priestess archetype, the character of 'Donna' in the tv show Suits is just stunning.

she is able to potentiate the male seeking of the Magician in the most surprising of ways; from one angle, her way and approach could be seen as being sneaky and underhand, and from the Magician's point of view, what is offered from behind the Veil comes out of nowhere, and when it is finally revealed how events played out, then it could be seen as being manipulative and not above board. And yet, a deeper analysis will show that the High Priestess was only potentiating (or making possible) what was being sought in the first place, and the Magician's hurt pride is only a recognition that they are not capable of everything themselves; but rather need this strong feminine influence to trigger the eventual catalyst whereby the original desires can find a way into experience.

I'm going to start calling this the 'Donna card' lol.

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card 2: the High Priestess, Potentiator of the Mind. Partners in crime with the Magician, card 1.
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10-20-2018, 06:54 PM,
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2018 addition to this thread Smile

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Card 0: The Choice

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one of the key aspects of this card is counter-positioning.

That is: one thing is placed in distinction/answer to another.

We have the:

* sun / moon

* earth / water

* weight on one shoulder vs weight on other

* leaning to one side (the body) / walking stick on the other

* left field: foot and the crocodile's mouth (this was actually the dream that I had a couple of days ago, which sparked these observations).

THE CHOICE is obviously about the positive and negative path.

But I think the emphasis (of this archetype) is not the actualisation of choosing (which takes place in all the other archetypes) but that The Choice is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.

That is, it is within the purvey/awareness of each being, in EVERY SITUATION, to actually be able to make a choice in the first place.

You can make a counter-positioning to whatever life throws at you.  It's not about choosing one path or another; it's the fact that a Choice is INBUILT.

- every negative experience is possible to be COUNTERPOSED by a positive move/act.

- every positive experience is also possible to be COUNTERPOSED by a negative move/act.

It's basically saying that there is NO SITUATION in which the Choice is not available to be exercised in awareness.

And we can all think of the most dire things; but this is basically the Enabler.
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10-20-2018, 09:09 PM,
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I am still studying the archetypes, as you know, but when the discussion came up at this last homecoming regarding the Choice I intuitively described it as a card heavily involving free will and faith.

The imagery in The Choice / The Fool is as you say, but I think for me the reason I feel free will and faith was a big descriptor was (1) the classical renaming of the card as The Fool by human society, (2) the perspective of those who are not yet awakened of the spiritual path, and (3) also Ra's comments about the only service to provide those who wish to remain asleep is 'comforts design for sleeping.' It takes both a choice and a leap of faith, which others not yet open may see as completely foolish and not logical.

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10-20-2018, 09:26 PM,
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I can definitely vibe with that  Smile

Another way of looking at this card is: The Journey.
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10-21-2018, 06:33 PM,
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Doesn't the Choice card coincide with the veil?
Like the Choice was the last archetype to form?
And because of the Choice we have free will?
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10-21-2018, 08:08 PM,
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(10-21-2018, 06:33 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  Doesn't the Choice card coincide with the veil?
Like the Choice was the last archetype to form?
And because of the Choice we have free will?

No ,when the matrix of mind is transposed onto the catalyst of body a local web of functional yet restricted motion creates the realization of freewill. The veil was laid in the Potentiator type. In the mind cycle, the veiling of the mind creates the apparency of the fruit and it's sowing as being separate. In the body cycle, this is developed thru evolutionary impulse. The mental catalytic understanding of the mind as it's own messenger is circumcised as the discrete desires of the body take flight while the mind simultaneously beyond the veil already has the fruit in hand.

Choice,  archetypally, is the unifying drive of the various facets of the infinite creator. It is the resultant.
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11-10-2018, 07:48 PM,
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Card 14 - The Alchemist (Great Way of the Body)

This card has been greatly on my mind the last 2-3 days.

First - from Ra:

Quote:81.14 Questioner: And finally, the fourteenth, the Way of the Body is called the Alchemist because there is an infinity of time for the various bodies to operate within to learn the lessons necessary for evolution. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is less than completely correct as the Great Way of the Body must be seen, as are all the archetypes of the body, to be a mirror image of the thrust of the activity of the mind.

The body is the creature of the mind and is the instrument of manifestation for the fruits of mind and spirit.

Therefore, you may see the body as providing the athanor through which the alchemist manifests gold.

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so there are 3 salient features here:

* the sun
* the wings
* the pouring

So there is a kind of 'pulsation' theme here.  Almost like a heartbeat.

The irradiance of the sun/logos in all directions.

The figure (with wings) which can flap/beat to shift one's perspective/position quite quickly.

The pouring of water (vital force/energy) from one place to another.

The Body (ie Great Way of the Body) thus offers a mean of anchoring our totality of experience.

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Athanor A self-contained furnace that can maintain a constant heat.

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11-11-2018, 09:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-11-2018, 10:38 AM by Nau7ik.)
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I can share some of my thoughts:

The Temperance card in the Egyptian version also has the green skin of Osiris and the winged shoes of Hermes/Mercury. So if this be the Great Way of the Body, the green skin can symbolize the redemption of the dying god, which is the blueprint for man’s spiritual liberation. And Since body follows mind, the green skin symbolizes this lesson in the body.
As for the winged shoes, I am not sure yet. The body and mind are aligned in the expression of the Divine Will which is the True Will of the individual.

I myself have been considering the card XX Judgement, transformation of the spirit. I drew this card during a reading the other day when I asked why I had chosen to come here.
Some things I noticed are: the sarcophagus reminds me of the ark of the covenant. The wings are both pointed towards each other to a point in the midst of them: The Scarab. The scarab was a common symbol among the ancient Egyptians. It symbolizes man’s divine nature. The angel blowing the trumpet above the scene is surrounded with scarabs at each point on the rays of the sun. The scarab is associated with the sun. The sun symbolizes spiritual illumination.
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On the Rider-Waite card, this concept of resurrection is again shown symbolically by the position of the rising figures. These figures form the Hebrew letter ש Shin. I noticed that after I finished a meditation. I leave the cards of my reading on the altar so that I can contemplate them throughout the day or days. This jumped out to me. Shin is very appropriate because it is a symbol for both spirit and fire. This is the traditional Hermetic attribution of XX Judgement, both the letter Shin ש and elemental fire. In both cards the figures are rising at the angel Michael (not Gabriel; XX belongs to path 31, malkuth to hod, in which Michael rules Hod.) sounding the trumpet. The trumpet has a white flag with an equal armed cross to symbolize the balance of the elements (?). Furthermore, Michael is sometimes represented as holding the scales of balance in his hand. If the four arms are the elements in balance, the element spirit is symbolized by the angel blowing the trumpet and the figures rising from the tomb. This is a grand call to awakening for mankind. To me, it represents the time of harvest on a grander scale, and personal spiritual transformation in the microcosmic sense.
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11-25-2018, 07:35 AM,
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Ra advised that it could be quite helpful to study certain archetypes in PAIRINGS.  Specific PAIRINGS.  The matrix and the Potentiator.  Transformation and Great Way, etc.

Here we have 2 of the Spirit Archetypes.

Spirit Card #3: The Star (Hope/Faith)
Spirit Card #4: The Moon

They are - respectively - the Catalyst of the Spirit, and the Experience of the Spirit.

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Some quotes:

The STAR

Quote:80.13 Questioner: Then is this, from the point of view or with respect to the fifteenth archetype, somewhat of an excursion into the Matrix of the Spirit in this process? Does that make any sense?

Ra: I am Ra. The excursion of which you speak and the process of disassociation is most usually linked with that archetype you call Hope which we would prefer to call Faith.

This archetype is the Catalyst of the Spirit and, because of the illuminations of the Potentiator of the Spirit, will begin to cause these changes in the adept’s viewpoint.

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The MOON

Quote:80.15 Ra: I am Ra. It is a challenge to answer such a query, for there is some confusion in its construction. However, we shall attempt to speak upon the subject.

The adept, whether positive or negative, has the same Matrix. The Potentiator is also identical.

Due to the Catalyst of each adept the adept may begin to pick and choose that into which it shall look further.

The Experience of the Spirit, that which you have called the Moon, is then, by far, the more manifest of influences upon the polarity of the adept.

Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow, be worked with until light equaling the light of brightest noon descends upon the adept and positive or service-to-others illumination has occurred.

The service-to-self adept will satisfy itself with the shadows and, grasping the light of day, will toss back the head in grim laughter, preferring the darkness.

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Let's take the Star/Faith card first.

There are obviously many many elements at play.  They can be unpacked for their personal worth to an individual's seeking.

For the purposes here - I will call this card the TRANSITAS.

TRANSITAS could be more commonly understood as the english word 'Transit'.  To be able to move from one place to another.

I've assigned this particular meaning, because once there has been interaction between the Potentiator (Lightning) and the Matrix card (the Devil), the result is that a 'new way forward' is available to the seeker.

I reference the quote above here:

Due to the Catalyst of each adept the adept may begin to pick and choose that into which it shall look further.


So the Star card presents new 'pathways' forward; where previously none had been seen.

There is a kind of 'Faith' here that ensues.  The difference between having a way forward (however difficult) is quite stark compared to thinking that there is NO WAY forward. (dark night of the soul).

So the Star is a kind of TRANSIT point.

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So how does this tie into the Moon card - as a kind of 'relationship'?

Well - we can see that moon presents 2 diametric options.  To gain access to the white pyramid (positive polarity) one has to confront and contend with the dark dog (darkness).  To gain access to the dark pyramid (negative polarity), the seeker has to contend with the white dog (light and radiation).

Once the Catalyst has been grasped (the Star/Transit/a path forward), one then SEES that the Path is not obstacle-free.  For the positive seeker, there is much confrontation (with outer and inner negativity).

But it is the ONLY WAY to continue forward on that path (the white pyramid).

The issue here with the Moon is that as one increases one's path (becomes more light or more dark), the CONTRAST also increases.  So for a very positive seeker, even a small amount of darkness becomes apparent in one's consciousness - because the the brightness of one's light makes it more obvious.  To someone shining less brightly, that SAME DARKNESS would just appear as grey, or not even observable.  But it would be there regardless.

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So the Correlation can be drawn here -

Star: recognising a path forward
Moon: seeing that the path has obstacles, and facing the consequences of that.

Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow
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11-26-2018, 01:59 PM,
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There is a strong prophetic (Biblical) reference in this archetype - angel, trumpet, flag, resurrection and "Judgement".

"All you inhabitants of the world, you who dwell on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, look! When a trumpet is blown, hear!" (Isaiah 18:3)

"And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matthew 24:31)

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1 Cor 15:52)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment

Quote:"Resurrection cross" or "Triumphal cross" (Crux longa in Latin) is a simple, somewhat long, shaft crossed at the top from which a banner may float. Christ bears this in his hand in many depictions, as his standard of power, and the conqueror over death and Hell. However this must be distinguished from the shaft depicted in the hand of Saint John the Baptist which is a reed. The banner on the Triumphal cross is usually white and has a red cross, symbolizing the victory of the resurrected Christ over death. The symbol derived from the 4th century vision of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great and his use of a cross on the Roman Standard."(Wiki)
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11-28-2018, 06:40 PM,
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This card reminds me of this painting:

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12-03-2018, 04:50 PM,
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we can work with another pairing this time round Smile

Let's go with archetype 3, and archetype 4.

Known as the Empress, and the Emperor.  The Catalyst of the Mind, and the Experience of the Mind.

Ra's thoughts, first:

Quote:78.36 Questioner: I was asking if the third archetype was the Empress and was it correct to say that this archetype had to do with disciplined meditation?

Ra: I am Ra.

The third archetype may broadly be grasped as the Catalyst of the Mind. Thus it takes in far more than disciplined meditation. However, it is certainly through this faculty that catalyst is most efficiently used.

The Archetype, Three, is perhaps confusedly called Empress although the intention of this nomer is the understanding that it represents the unconscious or female portion of the mind complex being first, shall we say, used or ennobled by the male or conscious portion of the mind. Thus the noble name.

I call this (currently) the DIALECTIS.  Or in plain English - the Dialect.

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and archetype 4:

Quote:78.37 Questioner: The fourth archetype, called the Emperor, seems to have to do with the experience of other-selves and the green-ray energy center with respect to other-selves. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is perceptive.

The broad name for Archetype Four may be the Experience of the Mind. In the tarot you find the name of Emperor. Again this implies nobility and in this case we may see the suggestion that it is only through the catalyst which has been processed by the potentiated consciousness that experience may ensue.

Thusly is the conscious mind ennobled by the use of the vast resources of the unconscious mind.

And I call this CHOREOGRAPHAS.  Or in common speak - the Choreography.

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So the Empress and the Emperor.  Or the Catalyst of the Mind, and the Experience of the Mind.  Or the DIALECT, and the CHOREOGRAPHY.

So what can this mutual pairing reveal?

First of all, the DIALECT.

The common point (of natural contact) with the archetypes will be via the 3 Catalyst cards.  And being that we experience things so HEAVILY in the mind, the Catalyst of the Mind is going be quite prominent.

Much of the confusion arises because we don't COMPREHEND what our catalyst is actually saying to us.

It is talking it's own language.  That is: of polarity, the two paths, service/non-service.

It is talking to us, but can we understand HER?  In this sense, the Empress represents a DIALECT, that occurs once the interaction between the Matrix of the Mind, and the Potentiator of the Mind has taken place.

Per Ra's thoughts here: "Thus it takes in far more than disciplined meditation. However, it is certainly through this faculty that catalyst is most efficiently used."  We have to sit carefully, and be present with her language/dialect.

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once the Empress has been acknowledged (the Catalyst of the Mind), that leads (naturally) into the next area/faculty.

This is the CHOREOGRAPHY.  The Experince of the Mind (much like the EMPEROR) has a vast domain in which to exercise their faculty/position.

They have the inherent empowerment to CHOOSE the nature of the dance, the song to be sung, the stage to be set.  Much like a leading choreographer would serve in an executive (and collaborative) role in a dance company.

It is their POSITION to orchestrate the chosen experience.  Not out of enforcement - but because they are literally choreographing THEMSELVES in the dance.

some further thoughts:

Quote:94.11 Questioner: I have drawn a small diagram in which I simply show an arrow which represents catalyst penetrating a line at right angles to the arrow, which is the veil, and then depositing in one of two repositories, one which I would call on the right-hand path, one on the left-hand path; and I have labeled these two repositories for the catalytic action as it’s filtered through the veil “the Experience.” Would this be a very rough analogy of the way the catalyst is filtered through the veil to become experience?

Ra: I am Ra. Again, you are partially correct. The deeper biases of a mind/body/spirit complex pilot the catalyst around the many isles of positivity and negativity as expressed in the archipelago of the deeper mind. However, the analogy is incorrect in that it does not take into account the further polarization which most certainly is available to the conscious mind after it has perceived the partially polarized catalyst from the deeper mind.

94.12 Questioner: It seems to me that the Experience of the Mind would act in such a way as to change the nature of the veil so that catalyst would be filtered so as to be more acceptable in the bias that is increasingly chosen by the entity. For instance, if the entity had chosen the right-hand path the Experience of the Mind would change the permeability of the veil to accept more and more positive catalyst, and also the other would be true for accepting more negative if the left-hand path were the one that was repeatedly chosen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not only correct but there is a further ramification. As the entity increases in experience it shall, more and more, choose positive interpretations of catalyst if it is upon the service-to-others path and negative interpretations of catalyst if its experience has been along the service-to-self path.

So the Dialect and the Choreography.

They work as a powerful Pairing in Awareness.
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12-03-2018, 07:19 PM,
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Thank you Plenum this is so interesting.

Of course the Choice archetype continues all the time right, even though the entity will choose more and more the positive side of each catalyst, or negative of course ? I mean the Choice even as archetype 22 continues to reign ? Sorry to ask such stupid questions but I am just starting to study the Archétypes ... Wink
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12-03-2018, 08:09 PM,
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yes - that's right.  Card 22 is the 'unifying archetype'.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

It's best studied in line with the Significators.

88.24 You will note that the consideration of the Significator was left unpaired, for the Significator shall be paired with Archetype Twenty-Two.
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12-05-2018, 09:55 AM,
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(12-03-2018, 08:09 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:  yes - that's right.  Card 22 is the 'unifying archetype'.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

It's best studied in line with the Significators.

88.24 You will note that the consideration of the Significator was left unpaired, for the Significator shall be paired with Archetype Twenty-Two.

That fits beautifully!! Regarding the Significator, Ra says:

Quote:79.42 ▶ Questioner: Then I will just ask for the one of the archetypes which I am least understanding at this point if I can use that word at all. I am still very much in the dark, so to speak, with respect to the Hierophant and precisely what it is. Could you give me some other indication of what that is, please?

Ra: I am Ra. You have been most interested in the Significator which must needs become complex. The Hierophant is the original archetype of mind which has been made complex through the subtile movements of the conscious and unconscious. The complexities of mind were evolved rather than the simple melding of experience from Potentiator to Matrix.

The mind itself became an actor possessed of free will and, more especially, will. As the Significator of the mind, the Hierophant has the will to know, but what shall it do with its knowledge, and for what reasons does it seek? The potential[s] of a complex significator are manifold.

Could this be the reason for the two kneeling figures at the feet of the Heirophant?

Quote:79.37 ▶ Questioner: What would be the Hierophant?

Ra: I am Ra. The Hierophant is the Significator of the Body(Ra corrected the mistake, it’s suppose to be Mind)* complex, its very nature. We may note that the characteristics of which you speak do have bearing upon the Significator of the Mind complex but are not the heart. The heart of the mind complex is that dynamic entity which absorbs, seeks, and attempts to learn.

Quote:78.20 Ra: I am Ra. We would only comment briefly. It is generally correct. You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself. The seed concept of the significator being a complex introduces two things: firstly, the Creator against Creator in one sub-Logos in what you may call dynamic tension; secondly, the concept of free will, once having been made fuller by its extension into the sub-Logoi known as mind/body/spirit complexes, creates and re-creates and continues to create as a function of its very nature.
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12-05-2018, 08:36 PM,
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(12-05-2018, 09:55 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  Could this be the reason for the two kneeling figures at the feet of the Heirophant?

I think you can make further inroads into this via one of (attributed) Buddha's quotes:

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All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” – Buddha

The nature of the Mind (what Ra calls the 'heart') is a little bit different from the mechanism of the mind, which is more elaborated in the Matrix (as well as the Great Way).

INCIDENTALLY - this card (archetype 5) was chosen as the Cover Image for the Church of Light deck.  Rather than the Magician (card 1), or even the Choice (card 22).

Significant (pun intended) in itself Smile

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12-06-2018, 12:18 PM,
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Is interesting, in french the mind is translated by  'esprit '   which is in fact more like 'spirit'   so in french  you often have a mix of the two.  Sometimes when they want to differentiate the real functioning of the brain they use then 'le mental', which gets close to the noun mental in english,  so when as a mean to study,  I translate for my nieces parts of the LoO in french whenever I get to "the mind/body/spirit complex"  I cannot translate the word mind by esprit which would be the same at the third attribute, spirit, in french.    Since the english adjective for mental,  means someone who is not quite right,  so Wink I wonder if  perhaps that is why the french are a little crazy ?   Big Grin
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12-08-2018, 09:59 AM,
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(12-06-2018, 12:18 PM)flofrog Wrote:  Is interesting, in french the mind is translated by  'esprit '   which is in fact more like 'spirit'   so in french  you often have a mix of the two.  Sometimes when they want to differentiate the real functioning of the brain they use then 'le mental', which gets close to the noun mental in english,  so when as a mean to study,  I translate for my nieces parts of the LoO in french whenever I get to "the mind/body/spirit complex"  I cannot translate the word mind by esprit which would be the same at the third attribute, spirit, in french.    Since the english adjective for mental,  means someone who is not quite right,  so Wink I wonder if  perhaps that is why the french are a little crazy ?   Big Grin

I studied French in high school. Love the language!

That is very interesting, flo! Hebrew and the Qabalah do the same thing. The term “Ruach” is used for the mind / rational intellect, but the translation of Ruach is spirit. In the Hebrew system, the spirit can also be found in terms such as Ruach haKadesh, the Holy living spirit, and the Neshamah, the supersoul/oversoul/higherself which is immaterial.

I was reading passages from the Zohar and it describes the evolution of the human constitution thusly: that the Nephesh forms the animal soul which is linked very closely to the physical body. The Nephesh then becomes the throne for the Ruach (!!!), and in turn the Ruach becomes the throne of the Neshamah.

In the Law of One, Ra explains that the spirit complex becomes activated in the second density creature in his evolution to third density awareness.
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12-08-2018, 11:33 AM,
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So interesting Nau7ik, I don't know Hebrew and didn't know that at all. Love your description of the Nephesh becoming the throne for the Ruach. It's all there in everything, the seed, which is why we feel this reverence for anything, the tree, the bird, but also the wood beam of the house or even the sidewalk on which we walk since it's all the same stuff, all atoms. Truly only the One.
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12-09-2018, 10:49 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
there is a point of interest here regards the Great Way of the Mind (the Chariot card).

first of all - the beloved deck from the Church of Light group:

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both the sphinxes are standing upright!  on all 4 legs!

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but this is NOT the card that Don was working off!  This is the card they used:

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well - it *was* redrawn - with respect to the orb in the right hand.

But look at the sphinx's!  They are almost in a sedentary posture.  

The point of interest that Don questioned was - why is the left leg bent in each of the sphinx?

Ra's answer is something else!  It touches on some intense intense metaphysical principles.  The Great Way of the Mind is one of the more complex and encompassing of the archetypes.

Quote:103.14 Questioner: The bent left leg of the two sphinxes indicate[s] a transformation that occurs on the left that doesn’t on the right, possibly an inability in that position to move. Does this have any merit?

Ra: I am Ra. The observation has merit in that it may serve as the obverse of the connotation intended. The position is intended to show two items, one of which is the dual possibilities of the time-full characters there drawn.

The resting is possible in time, as is the progress. If a mixture is attempted, the upright, moving leg will be greatly hampered by the leg that is bent. The other meaning has to do with the same right angle, with its architectural squareness, as the device upon the breast of the actor.

Time/space is close in this concept complex, brought close due to the veiling process and its efficaciousness in producing actors who wish to use the resources of the mind in order to evolve.
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12-12-2018, 10:22 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
I wanted to look at the Experience of the Mind a little bit. I’ve been drawing IV. The Emperor a few times in my readings lately. I was at a loss to explain what my reading meant yesterday with the Emperor as the first card, but as I put the cards away I had a realization thinking about what Ra said: that the Emperor with firm authority grasps the Catalyst. Then the reading made sense. (IV. The Emperor, Page of Swords, 4 of Cups, 9 of Cups)

Quote:94.15 ▶ Questioner: In the fourth archetype the card shows a male whose body faces forward. I assume this indicates that the Experience of the Mind will reach for catalyst. However, the face is to the left, indicating to me that in reaching for catalyst, negative catalyst will be more apparent in its power and effect than the positive. Would Ra comment on this?

Ra: I am Ra. The archetype of Experience of the Mind reaches not, O student, but with firm authority grasps what it is given. The remainder of your remarks are perceptive.

Quote:94.12 ▶ Questioner: It seems to me that the Experience of the Mind would act in such a way as to change the nature of the veil so that catalyst would be filtered so as to be more acceptable in the bias that is increasingly chosen by the entity. For instance, if the entity had chosen the right-hand path the Experience of the Mind would change the permeability of the veil to accept more and more positive catalyst, and also the other would be true for accepting more negative if the left-hand path were the one that was repeatedly chosen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not only correct but there is a further ramification. As the entity increases in experience it shall, more and more, choose positive interpretations of catalyst if it is upon the service-to-others path and negative interpretations of catalyst if its experience has been along the service-to-self path.

Quote:94.20 ▶ Questioner: The magical shape is on the right edge of the card indicating to me that the spiritual significance is on the right edge of the card, indicating to me that the spiritual experience would be the right-hand path. Could Ra comment on that?
Ra: I am Ra. Yes. The figure is expressing the nature of experience by having its attention caught by what may be termed the left-hand catalyst. Meanwhile, the power, the magic, is available upon the right-hand path.

The nature of experience is such that the attention shall be constantly given varieties of experience. Those that are presumed to be negative, or interpreted as negative, may seem in abundance. It is a great challenge to take catalyst and devise the magical, positive experience. That which is magical in the negative experience is much longer coming, shall we say, in the third density.

In the Western Mystery Tradition, the limbs of the Emperor form the living alchemical symbol of Sulfur. Sulfur represents the active male principle, the ability to make change.

Quote:94.26 ▶ Questioner: I’ll have to work on that.

Then I am guessing that the crossed legs of the entity in Card Four have a meaning similar to the cross of the crux ansata. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The cross formed by the living limbs of the image signifies that which is the nature of mind/body/spirit complexes in manifestation within your illusion. There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind, no act of service to self or others which does not bear a price, to the entity manifesting, commensurate with its purity. All things in manifestation may be seen in one way or another to be offering themselves in order that transformations may take place upon the level appropriate to the action.

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This quote is interesting and I want to know what others think about the attractions to the archetypes to male and females??

Quote:94.14 ▶ Questioner: I can understand, to use a poor term again, the necessity for an archetype for Catalyst or a model for Catalyst of the Mind, but what is the reason for having a blueprint or model for Experience of the Mind other than this simple model of the dual repository for the negative and positive catalyst? It would seem to me that the first distortion of free will would be better served if no model for experience were made. I’m somewhat confused on this. Could you clear it up?

Ra: I am Ra. Your question is certainly interesting and your confusion hopefully productive. We cannot learn/teach for the student. We shall simply note, as we have previously, the attraction of various archetypes to male and to female. We suggest that this line of consideration may prove productive.
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12-12-2018, 02:39 PM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
Nau7ik,

about the attraction to male and female archetypes, since I am only starting to study the deck,, my answer is going to be superficial at best, and only based on instinct and not reflection... Wink

When I started to study I was definitely attracted first to the males, don’t know if it is because of the concepts they presented or because I am female in this incarnation.. now that I am like some weeks of delving into them, somehow I am more attracted to the females and their concepts, perhaps since they entitle to me more mystery for some reason. Apart from that I find the beauty of the Alchemist card, pretty incredible, lol

Great post, thank you !
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12-12-2018, 08:29 PM,
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(12-12-2018, 10:22 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  This quote is interesting and I want to know what others think about the attractions to the archetypes to male and females??

What qualities do you want to develop to be a man? I mean to be a real and mature man. (Immature is a sissy or a macho)

In Jungian system there are four male archetypes: king, warrior, magician and lover.

Ra said: "For instance, in your ritual performed to purify this place you use the term “Ve Geburah.” It is a correct assumption that this is a portion or aspect of the One Infinite Creator. However, there are various correspondences with the archetypical mind which may be more and more refined by the adept. “Ve Geburah” [the 5th sephirot] is the correspondence of Michael, of Mars, of the positive, of maleness." The Cabalistic Tree of Life also has the pillar of severity. I rather see it as the male pillar although it is said to be feminine. Metaphysical meaning of male/female is supposed to be different than on physical plane but I still hold an opinion there is analogy.

But what are these male qualities without the opposite? Don't they come best to expression, potentiation and balance in relation with the opposite?
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12-13-2018, 01:10 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
(12-12-2018, 08:29 PM)loostudent Wrote:  
(12-12-2018, 10:22 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  This quote is interesting and I want to know what others think about the attractions to the archetypes to male and females??

What qualities do you want to develop to be a man? I mean to be a real and mature man. (Immature is a sissy or a macho)

In Jungian system there are four male archetypes: king, warrior, magician and lover.

Ra said: "For instance, in your ritual performed to purify this place you use the term “Ve Geburah.” It is a correct assumption that this is a portion or aspect of the One Infinite Creator. However, there are various correspondences with the archetypical mind which may be more and more refined by the adept. “Ve Geburah” [the 5th sephirot] is the correspondence of Michael, of Mars, of the positive, of maleness." The Cabalistic Tree of Life also has the pillar of severity. I rather see it as the male pillar although it is said to be feminine. Metaphysical meaning of male/female is supposed to be different than on physical plane but I still hold an opinion there is analogy.

But what are these male qualities without the opposite? Don't they come best to expression, potentiation and balance in relation with the opposite?

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What an unexpectedly good article. I didn't know AOM had such deep content (I thought it was all dieting tips to max your T-levels). I agree with that last line of your post, and found it kind of silly how the author of the article takes the opportunity to go "Too feminine for me, too new-agey for me" when discussing some aspects of the theory. I guess he's got to convince a certain audience of the manly merit of this kind of study though. Thanks for sharing.
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12-13-2018, 09:32 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
(12-12-2018, 08:29 PM)loostudent Wrote:  
(12-12-2018, 10:22 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  This quote is interesting and I want to know what others think about the attractions to the archetypes to male and females??

What qualities do you want to develop to be a man? I mean to be a real and mature man. (Immature is a sissy or a macho)

In Jungian system there are four male archetypes: king, warrior, magician and lover.

Ra said: "For instance, in your ritual performed to purify this place you use the term “Ve Geburah.” It is a correct assumption that this is a portion or aspect of the One Infinite Creator. However, there are various correspondences with the archetypical mind which may be more and more refined by the adept. “Ve Geburah” [the 5th sephirot] is the correspondence of Michael, of Mars, of the positive, of maleness." The Cabalistic Tree of Life also has the pillar of severity. I rather see it as the male pillar although it is said to be feminine. Metaphysical meaning of male/female is supposed to be different than on physical plane but I still hold an opinion there is analogy.

But what are these male qualities without the opposite? Don't they come best to expression, potentiation and balance in relation with the opposite?

Yes, there’s an analogy of some sort. The polarity is represented variously across the different levels of our being, for males and females. And I totally agree that male and female are natural compliments to each other. The side pillars of the tree need to find their equilibrium in the Middle Pillar. We can’t look at one sephiroth without the other, Dion Fortune suggested. The principle of balance is repeated in the Ra Material.

The one archetype that I’ve always been attracted to (and I am a man) is IX. The Hermit.
As far as the Sephirothic archetypes, Chesed is my favorite. Chesed is Jupiter, which is located in the middle of the Pillar of Mercy (masculine/positive). The path of the Hermit (#20) is inbetween Tiphareth and Chesed.

Furthermore as I was reading about the court cards, I noticed that often Queens are given to males and King’s to females.
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12-21-2018, 11:46 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
(12-13-2018, 09:32 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  l have ways been attracted to (and I am a man) is IX. The Hermit.

I also feel strong affinity for this one. A seeker with a lamp.
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12-21-2018, 06:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-22-2018, 09:32 AM by loostudent.)
RE: Random Archetype Insights
Some observations of The Chariot (The Great Way of the Mind)

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Riding with horses - first comes to mind mastery of higher over lower nature. Ra said the horses/sphinxes do not indicate mastery but a framework/environment of the mind - time and space.
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01-18-2019, 08:17 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
Pairing of Archtype 13 and Archetype 14

So I'll share some personal thoughts (and investigations) regards this particular pairing.

First of all, the images.

This pairing is two of the BODY ARCHETYPES.  The upper two tier.

Basically - the Transformation of the Body (Death), and the Great Way of the Body (the Alchemist)


The Death Card


Quite often feared, but most often misunderstood.

This archetype deals with manifold change.

Quote:81.13 Questioner: [We have] already discussed the Significator, so I will skip to number thirteen. Transformation of Body is called Death, for with death the body is transformed to a higher-vibration body for additional learning. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may be seen to be additionally correct in that each moment and certainly each diurnal period of the bodily incarnation offers death and rebirth to one which is attempting to use the catalyst which is offered it.

Each day is a new life, as is each moment, when one is able to utilise (and implement) the experience of Catalyst.

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The scythe here is seen as essentially destructive.  But is it so?

I call this card the REFINITAS.  That which 'refines'.

Can cutting something ever be positive?  Or is it always a destructive act?

Think of cutting down a tree, and then turning it into a piece of furniture.  Purely a destructive, selfish human act?

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Quote:98.16 Questioner: That is perfectly fine with us. That noise occurs at the forty-five minute time since the tape is forty-five minutes on a side. I would just ask as a final question, then, if the new table that Jim has built for the appurtenances is satisfactory to hold them since it will give us more room to walk around the bed, and if it is better to leave it in its natural condition as it is, or to coat it with linseed oil or varnish or paint?

Ra: I am Ra. We view this appurtenance. It sings with joy. The pine vibrates in praise. Much investment of this working in wood has been done. It is acceptable.

We may suggest it be left either as it is or rubbed with the oil which also is easily magnetized and holds the proffered vibration to a profound extent.

Is not the cutting and shaping of material a creative act?

And what of shaping marble?  From Michelangelo --

"Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it.

I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free."


So I view Card 13 as extremely CREATIVE, in nature.  The Transformation of the Body indeed.  That scythe is being applied to ONESELF as an act of refining.

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Card 14 is here. I call it the AFFLUENTIS.  Or that which is Affluent.  That which flows.

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In Ra's terms, they liken it to an anthanor --


Quote:81.14 Questioner: And finally, the fourteenth, the Way of the Body is called the Alchemist because there is an infinity of time for the various bodies to operate within to learn the lessons necessary for evolution. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is less than completely correct as the Great Way of the Body must be seen, as are all the archetypes of the body, to be a mirror image of the thrust of the activity of the mind. The body is the creature of the mind and is the instrument of manifestation for the fruits of mind and spirit. Therefore, you may see the body as providing the athanor through which the alchemist manifests gold.

One of the key portions for me (in this particular analysis - there are elements which will capture interest depending on perspective and seeking), is the POURING.

And the pouring here is from the right hand to the left hand.  

Think of what it means if either the right hand is DISTENDED (displaced) to any other direction than where it is.  It misses some (or ALL) of the pouring (affluence/flow).

The same goes for the bottom hand.

The use of the HANDS is a key feature of the Body.  It demonstrates dexterity, skill, and precision.  It is a representation of the consciously developed (and articulated) mind.

So what brings the Hands into (and out of) Alignment?

It is the previous card.  The Transformation of the Body.  

One of the aspects of REFINEMENT, is in the more careful positioning of the hands in this Great Way card.

This is why these 2 cards can form a pairing (as per Ra's suggestion).

The essence of the Great Way (of the Body) is that of FLOW.  But also it's antagonist - that of LACK OF FLOW - which is experienced as blockage.

This blockage is not a blockage per se.  It is only when the Hands are not ALIGNED, that the pouring misses the mark.  Blockage is less about an obstruction in a pipe ... and more about a misalignment of giving and reception.

And so the Great Way of the Body is a perfect representation of the many Flows (and non Flows) in the energetic System.

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Quote:100.11 Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we ask that the student consider the Great Way not as the culmination of a series of seven activities or functions but as a far more clearly delineated image of the environment within which the mind, body, or spirit shall function.
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01-18-2019, 08:46 AM,
RE: Random Archetype Insights
I never would have thought to pair Death and Great Way. It could mean real death, as that opens you up to real life.
Also, beavers fell trees like people do. And they are innocent. If it was done with a good heart, and it is sustainable,
I don't see a problem with that. But only if it's done in an STO manner. Like supporting a charity or something.
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01-19-2019, 10:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-19-2019, 10:57 AM by Nau7ik.)
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It’s fascinating the way you explained XIV! The Alchemist. I immediately was reminded of Crowley’s Thoth deck, atu XIV is titled “Art”. Here it represents the consummation of the “royal marriage” as seen in VI! Which is perfectly in alignment with the Great Way as being a “mirror image of the thrust of the activity of the mind.” Always happy to see your archetypal insights Plenum Smile
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