Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
06-15-2017, 06:54 AM,
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
A lot of the Hidden Hand stuff doesn't add up. He says Yahweh was the good guy but in the Bible it's Yahweh who is ordering the murder of children. He says Lucifer is STS but Lucifer didn't do anything wrong in the Bible or any other myths either.

All human mythology depicts Lucifer as offering questions, doubts, skepticism, and an apple.

Meanwhile, Yahweh orders human sacrifice, genocide, rape, stoning, killing your own children, blind obedience, irrational hatred, breaking up families, starting wars of annihilation, and even offering up your own family to be raped as a service to guests.

So the whole demonization of Lucifer and elevation of Yahweh doesn't make any sense.

Lucifer, by all accounts, represents intelligence, careful thought, skepticism, rationality, and maybe pleasure.

Yahweh the complete opposite.

Hidden Hand just took the Ra Material and rewrote it as the basis for his LARPing. There wasn't anything new or substantial in there. Even the wild theories about some elite bloodlines living in underground bases were already around long before he posted them.

There is nothing there to suggest it isn't a hoax. Not even one original idea.


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06-16-2017, 12:49 AM,
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
(06-15-2017, 06:54 AM)yossarian Wrote:  A lot of the Hidden Hand stuff doesn't add up. He says Yahweh was the good guy but in the Bible it's Yahweh who is ordering the murder of children. He says Lucifer is STS but Lucifer didn't do anything wrong in the Bible or any other myths either.

All human mythology depicts Lucifer as offering questions, doubts, skepticism, and an apple.

Meanwhile, Yahweh orders human sacrifice, genocide, rape, stoning, killing your own children, blind obedience, irrational hatred, breaking up families, starting wars of annihilation, and even offering up your own family to be raped as a service to guests.

So the whole demonization of Lucifer and elevation of Yahweh doesn't make any sense.

Lucifer, by all accounts, represents intelligence, careful thought, skepticism, rationality, and maybe pleasure.

Yahweh the complete opposite.

Hidden Hand just took the Ra Material and rewrote it as the basis for his LARPing. There wasn't anything new or substantial in there. Even the wild theories about some elite bloodlines living in underground bases were already around long before he posted them.

There is nothing there to suggest it isn't a hoax. Not even one original idea.

The original idea of this thread is that the teachings of Ra in Egypt somehow through cause and effect, helped the Illuminati (which is currently attempting to enslave us) to take shape. We see this meme repeated over and over again in history where Orion influence twists and distorts a teaching that was originally given with pure intent. Reading the following quote from the material, we know that it is not positive Guardian Yahweh ordering these sacrifice, rape, genocide, and enslavement. It is the Orion STS beings. And maybe even ones that I could cautiously attempt to nickname the "Jehovah" group, I think.

Quote:24.6 Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately three six zero zero [3,600] of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of two— we correct this instrument— three three zero zero [3,300] years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

As to the whole Lucifer thing, from what I gather they are just like any other STS entity in that they don't want to stand in their own self responsibility for what we as humanity can morally perceive as "sin". I believe that for the most part, they perceive themselves as being above their karma. However, we also know from the Ra Material that mid 6th density negative entities are at a point where they are releasing their polarity. Who knows what this looks like to us here living a human life on earth? Are they in a state of grace, paying back their karmic debt? Perhaps partially. Are their hands clean? I wouldn't bet on it.

Personally, I think the person behind the Hidden Hand name was entirely sincere and truthful in his posts, or at least believes everything he wrote.
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06-16-2017, 09:50 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-16-2017, 09:51 AM by Balios.)
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
(06-15-2017, 06:54 AM)yossarian Wrote:  A lot of the Hidden Hand stuff doesn't add up. He says Yahweh was the good guy but in the Bible it's Yahweh who is ordering the murder of children. He says Lucifer is STS but Lucifer didn't do anything wrong in the Bible or any other myths either.

All human mythology depicts Lucifer as offering questions, doubts, skepticism, and an apple.

Meanwhile, Yahweh orders human sacrifice, genocide, rape, stoning, killing your own children, blind obedience, irrational hatred, breaking up families, starting wars of annihilation, and even offering up your own family to be raped as a service to guests.

So the whole demonization of Lucifer and elevation of Yahweh doesn't make any sense.

Lucifer, by all accounts, represents intelligence, careful thought, skepticism, rationality, and maybe pleasure.

Yahweh the complete opposite.

Hidden Hand just took the Ra Material and rewrote it as the basis for his LARPing. There wasn't anything new or substantial in there. Even the wild theories about some elite bloodlines living in underground bases were already around long before he posted them.

There is nothing there to suggest it isn't a hoax. Not even one original idea.

I agree about Hidden Hand, this was nothing more than a not so well elaborated hoax, partly based on the Ra Material.

Regarding this particular thread, and having been very interested in conspiracy theories in the late 90s and early 2000s, I am now sure the Illuminati do not exist at all. While it is obvious there are various STS oriented groups who try gain power by controlling (or at least trying to control) the economy, these groups fluctuated a lot through history and there is no such centuries old group like the Illuminati which would be above all the others. Essentially because the nature of 'power', the way STS oriented people could control and enslave others, has changed a lot in the last two centuries.

Today, the most influential ones are people controlling the biggest banks and companies, mostly in the US and western Europe, and some of their members may be related to several secret or partially secret organizations, but their are plenty of them. Just look at the most influential US thinks tanks like the Brooklyn Institution or the CFR, or at so called discussion groups like the Trilateral Commission. There reside today those of STS who try to 'control' the world. These groups are rather new, no more than a few decades old for some. The three I mentioned are some of the most influential and powerful ones, but there are many others, and they do not necessarily cooperate, on the contrary, being primarily STS oriented by nature.

There resides their difference when compared to older elitist organizations like the Free Masonry, where you could find STO oriented people and ideas.
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06-16-2017, 10:22 AM,
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STO = the shield, STS = the sword.

I believe the shield becomes stronger now.

The main goal is to increase the harvest in a graduational sense for both polarities.

STS has crossed the line and balance must be needed.
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06-16-2017, 11:02 AM,
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
First is necessary to determine who are the Illuminati or Elite, Dark Cabala, etc. and what are your goals.

There is much misinformation about this term. Some people believe that they are humans like bankers and powerful families that rules the mankind. Others, with the Christian vision that they serve Satan. There is also the alien Agenda theory, etc.

In my humble opinion is necessary to analyse this question with caution and using a global vision of the life (always remebering that all entities are the Creator). This is, all the visions above can be real.

The Hidden Hand dialogue is very known here. This vision makes sense because the LOO and Lucifer concepts shown by HH are correct (using the global vision). But there are distortions in this dialogue.

The two sources about Illuminati that I consider trusted are:

The information of the book "Prism of Lyra" by Lyssa Royal:

Quote:In translation,another manifestation of the Sirius influence on Earth from a slightly negative perspective is the Illuminati. The Illuminati are a group of physical and nonphysical negatively oriented (and even some positively oriented) extraterrestrials who came to Earth as physical beings during the Inception.

These beings eventually felt they did not get the recognition (or power) they thought they deserved. Many of these early off-planet consciousnesses who interacted with humanity had allowed their energies or their "histories" to evolve and become an archetype to assist Earth. The idea of control is their identity. If they cannot control others, they feel as if they do not exist...and they are terrified of nonexistence. This motivation has caused them to attempt to interfere in Earth's development from the start. As with an annoying insect, they are a bother, but rarely cause serious problems. Only the individuals who have no sense of their own power will be found in those power structures upon Earth that stem from fear of powerlessness. They cannot be an influence if one does not allow them to be. It all comes back to the issue of claiming one's own power.

Quote:The Illuminati are not only comprised of Sirians. Other groups, such as Orion, are part of the Illuminati structure.

Quote:Illuminati: Webster defines "illuminati" as "persons possessing, or alleging to possess, superior enlightenment; a name for various sects or societies which claim to possess superior enlightenment." This may refer to humans as well as various extraterrestrial groups (physical or nonphysical) who are either self-deluded or who deliberately attempt to gain control of human society. Some such negative groups may include: Orions, Sirians, Lyrans, and "renegade" Pleiadians. The historical foundation of the Illuminati is rooted in times past when various extraterrestrial groups were in control (or fighting for control) of the Earth in whole or in part. Because of these ancient interactions, the Illuminati believe that they have territorial rights over the Earth that they still disagree about amongst themselves. Some will attempt incarnation in order to carry out their wishes in the physical. The Illuminati can also be viewed from the nonphysical as an archetypal energy that once interacted physically with Earth. This group eventually side-stepped natural evolution and became a specifically focused archetype. This archetype is bound tightly with the planet by its need to keep humans from their natural evolutionary processes.


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L/L Research Channelings:

Quote:Questioner: I have been reading a lot about the Illuminati and hearing about international bankers. Do they exist, are they the same, are they different? Are their motives what are supposedly given them by the writers?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your question and we would answer by saying that upon the stage of your planet there are many players. Some have roles which appear to be very heavy, very dark and to be of the nature of darkness, of that which you refer to as the Illuminati. There are many who are swayed and polarized toward the dark part of the spectrum, toward the dark experience of separation from the Father, many in your world.

Indeed, each within your planetary vibration at one time or another does experience and express this dark force. Each time you meet a fellow creature and fail to recognize the divinity that resides within, each time you turn your face from the light of the infinite
Creator, you are polarized in the direction of darkness or negativity. And this does indeed create an energy which can be tapped into, so to speak, and used to lure others in that direction.

We would suggest that should such beings indeed exist upon your plane, a most important consideration is how you, yourself, live your own
life; how you are able to manifest the vibration of love. For, my friends, love is that force which encompasses all.

Quote:Questioner: That is all that I can honestly say that I can ask about Ben.

Very well, my friend, we would add one thing for the general edification of those who attend. There were several of the, shall we say, “fathers of our country,” as this entity would say, although we do not fully understand the meaning of that term, who took part in a somewhat negative plan together. It may be called a club. It has been called by your peoples, “Illuminati.” They actually did not mean harm but to improve mankind. What has occurred since then was not in the plans of those such as your Jefferson, your Madison, and your Franklin, those who were a part of this organization and whose imprint can to this day be seen upon your currency as this instrument would call it.
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Answering the thread: Ra didn't created the Illuminati. They are extraterrestrials entities that already are in Earth for many time before Ra. My only doubt is what is the relationship between the Illuminati and Lucifer. Or maybe they are the same.
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06-16-2017, 01:11 PM,
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
(06-15-2017, 06:54 AM)yossarian Wrote:  A lot of the Hidden Hand stuff doesn't add up. He says Yahweh was the good guy but in the Bible it's Yahweh who is ordering the murder of children. He says Lucifer is STS but Lucifer didn't do anything wrong in the Bible or any other myths either.

All human mythology depicts Lucifer as offering questions, doubts, skepticism, and an apple.

Meanwhile, Yahweh orders human sacrifice, genocide, rape, stoning, killing your own children, blind obedience, irrational hatred, breaking up families, starting wars of annihilation, and even offering up your own family to be raped as a service to guests.

So the whole demonization of Lucifer and elevation of Yahweh doesn't make any sense.

Lucifer, by all accounts, represents intelligence, careful thought, skepticism, rationality, and maybe pleasure.

Yahweh the complete opposite.

Hidden Hand just took the Ra Material and rewrote it as the basis for his LARPing. There wasn't anything new or substantial in there. Even the wild theories about some elite bloodlines living in underground bases were already around long before he posted them.

There is nothing there to suggest it isn't a hoax. Not even one original idea.

i believe Yahweh is no friend of earth and Lucifer is an god and also no friend of earths
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07-25-2017, 09:41 AM,
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Quote:For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded on. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels. (Ra)
Quote:For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. (Eph 6, 12)

First our space/time was not involved in this battle? After Yahweh contact was distorted, those of the Orion group were able for the first time to make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex. Thus this battle was then extended to this plane.

Quote:At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness. (Ra)

Does this mean that our forms of governments, political systems and some greedy and power-hungry secret societies and cults to this day have been a long-term consequence of distorted Confederation contacts and entering of Orion influence? Confederation is still "correcting the distortions of the Law of One" which occurred during their attempts to aid.

This is how Jesus offered a different mindset for correcting power distortions:

Quote:Jesus summoned them, and said: "You know that the rulers of the nations lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you, but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. Whoever desires to be first among you shall be your bondservant, even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." (Mt 20, 25-28)
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07-27-2017, 02:06 PM,
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I think the teachings of from Ra's landing were kept secret and did begin the STS mystery schools.

I did some investigation into the hidden hand dialogue, the main discrepancy I remember was HH claimed Lucifer was STS 6th density, but according to RA material STS can't get past 5th. But the majority of it meshed, I don't know how legit HH was but he did lead me to the lawofone.info many years ago
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07-31-2017, 03:56 PM,
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RE: Did RA birth the "evil illuminati"?
(07-27-2017, 02:06 PM)sequoyah Wrote:  I think the teachings of from Ra's landing were kept secret and did begin the STS mystery schools.

I did some investigation into the hidden hand dialogue, the main discrepancy I remember was HH claimed Lucifer was STS 6th density, but according to RA material STS can't get past 5th.  But the majority of it meshed, I don't know how legit HH was but he did lead me to the lawofone.info many years ago
 
 
STS entities can reach 6th density.  It is just that they release their polarity at some point within 6th density in order to progress.
 

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